History Film / Ironclad

6th Sep '17 3:42:48 PM TheBigBopper
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* SuspiciouslySmallArmy: The castle is depicted as having twenty defenders, when in real life it was actually more like a hundred. The funny thing is that small castle garrisons are not unrealistic ''in general'', and in fact RealLife castle garrisons in medieval Europe could be even ''smaller'', since a castle was designed to be defensible by a small people, and too many mouths to feed inside the castle was a liability during a prolonged siege. It's just that the film portrayal contradicts what the record tells us about this particular case. Perhaps the film crew didn't want to hire so many extras, or wanted to exaggerate the defenders' role as outnumbered underdogs.

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* SuspiciouslySmallArmy: The castle is depicted as having twenty defenders, when in real life it was actually more like a hundred. The funny thing is that small castle garrisons are not unrealistic ''in general'', and in fact RealLife castle garrisons in medieval Europe could be even ''smaller'', since a castle was designed to be defensible by a small number of people, and too many mouths to feed inside the castle was a liability during a prolonged siege. It's just that the film portrayal contradicts what the record tells us about this particular case. Perhaps the film crew didn't want to hire so many extras, or wanted to exaggerate the defenders' role as outnumbered underdogs.
6th Sep '17 1:04:27 PM TheBigBopper
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* AntiVillain: Tiberius doesn't really care that much about John's war, he just wants to make sure that his lands escape Christianization. And thus, realizes that he needs John's support to make that happen. Yes, Denmark was already Christianized by this point, but hey.
* AlternateHistory: [[spoiler:Becomes this in the end after Rochester Castle is relieved by a French army, Prince Louis takes the throne, and King John dies of dysentery after he is ousted from power.]]

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* AntiVillain: Tiberius doesn't really care that much about John's war, he just wants to make sure that his lands escape Christianization. And thus, realizes that he needs John's support to make that happen. Yes, And yes, Denmark was already Christianized by this point, but hey.
ArtisticLicenseHistory is in effect.
* AlternateHistory: [[spoiler:Becomes AlternateHistory:
** Apparently
this film takes place in a world where there are still pagans in 13th century Denmark.
** The film dramatically departs from English history at
the end after Rochester when [[spoiler:Rochester Castle is relieved by a French army, Prince Louis takes the throne, and King John dies of dysentery after he is ousted from power.]]
6th Sep '17 12:50:26 PM k410ren
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* InTheBack: Marks kills one of the Danes stationed at Castle Rochester with an arrow to the back.


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* LaughingMad: Coteral.


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* OneWomanWail: Heard when [[spoiler:Marks is killed in the second attack.]]


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* ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks: Coteral takes down one of the Danes stationed at Castle Rochester with a thrown knife.
23rd Feb '17 10:53:03 AM k410ren
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* TheBigGuy: Wulfstein is the largest and strongest of the men assembled to defend Castle Rochester.

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* TheBigGuy: Wulfstein Wulfstan is the largest and strongest of the men assembled to defend Castle Rochester.



* CurbStompBattle: [[spoiler:Wulfstein gets one blow before getting slashed across the torso and his head sliced open by Tiberius.]]

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* CurbStompBattle: [[spoiler:Wulfstein [[spoiler:Wulfstan gets one blow before getting slashed across the torso and his head sliced open by Tiberius.]]



* HeroKiller: [[TheDragon Tiberius]] kills [[spoiler:Wulfstein]] and [[spoiler:Becket]], two of the seven knights.

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* HeroKiller: [[TheDragon Tiberius]] kills [[spoiler:Wulfstein]] [[spoiler:Wulfstan]] and [[spoiler:Becket]], two of the seven knights.



* MacheteMayhem: Wulfstein's weapon of choice is a single-edged weapon with no handguards. Sounds like a machete.

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* MacheteMayhem: Wulfstein's Wulfstan's weapon of choice is a single-edged weapon with no handguards. Sounds like a machete.



* ShownTheirWork: Wulfstein is seen wielding a very bizarre type of chopping weapon that appears in the illustrations of the 13th century Morgan Bible.

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* ShownTheirWork: Wulfstein Wulfstan is seen wielding a very bizarre type of chopping weapon that appears in the illustrations of the 13th century Morgan Bible.


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* WreckedWeapon: Marshall's {{BFS}} is broken during the final duel with Tiberius. It's still sharp though.
23rd Feb '17 7:10:28 AM TheBigBopper
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** The historical accounts do say that King John and his army sent for forty fat pigs to fuel the fire in the tunnel under the walls, but they were pig ''corpses'', not live ones as depicted in the film. You would not want the hazard of forcing a herd of live animals into a fire, and live pigs have too much water in them to properly set on fire anyway.

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** The historical accounts do say that King John and his army sent for forty fat pigs to fuel the fire in the tunnel under the walls, but they were pig ''corpses'', ''carcasses'', not live ones as depicted in the film. You would not want the hazard of forcing a herd of live animals into a fire, and live pigs have too much water in them to properly set on fire anyway.
14th Dec '16 9:41:11 PM k410ren
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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe. Becket's main weapon is a poleaxe.

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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe.axe (which Lindybeige says looks utterly ridiculous since no one would be able to lift it). Becket's main weapon is a poleaxe.



* BadassCape: Tiberius has a fur one.



* ClusterFBomb: King John lets one loose when the defenders manage to hit the siege tower with a flaming trebuchet stone: "Goddamn Devils Murdering Goddamn Whores!"



* DieLaughing: The last thing [[spoiler:Coteral]] does before getting killed is laugh.



** [[spoiler:Wulfstein]]: Speared through the head by Tiberius.

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** [[spoiler:Wulfstein]]: Speared through the head Head sliced open by Tiberius.



* DualWielding: Becket wields two short axes during the climax.



* GeniusBruiser: Wulfstan's the largest and strongest of the men Albany assembles. He also knows how to assemble a trebuchet, which proves instrumental in repelling the siege tower.



* HollywoodCostuming: As Lindybeige rants about in his [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGKiOi76cI review video]], many of the costumes look more like modern leather biker wear or LARP gear than any kind of Medieval clothes or armor, with things such as obviously modern aluminum rivets and eyelets. There's obvious knitted faux maille, fiberglass helmets, etc. in close-up shots of characters. There's also a shot where you can see that King john's boots have heels, which didn't appear until the late Tudor period.

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* HollywoodCostuming: As Lindybeige rants about in his [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGKiOi76cI review video]], many of the costumes look more like modern leather biker wear or LARP gear than any kind of Medieval clothes or armor, with things such as obviously modern aluminum rivets and eyelets. There's obvious knitted faux maille, fiberglass helmets, etc. in close-up shots of characters. There's also a shot where you can see that King john's John's boots have heels, which didn't appear until the late Tudor period.


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* KillItWithFire: The castle defenders manage to repel the siege tower by setting it on fire with flaming trebuchet shells, setting the soldiers inside on fire.
4th Dec '16 6:45:50 AM k410ren
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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe. Becket's main weapon is a single-bladed axe combined with a spear.

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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe. Becket's main weapon is a single-bladed axe combined with a spear.poleaxe.



* TheBigGuy: Wulfstein is the largest and strongest of the men assembled to defend Castle Rochester.



* CarryABigStick: Isabel uses a mace as a weapon.



* CurbStompBattle: [[spoiler:Wulfstein gets one blow before getting slashed across the torso and his head sliced open by Tiberius.]]



* DiesWideOpen: [[spoiler:Marks.]]

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* DiesWideOpen: [[spoiler:Marks.[[spoiler:Marks and Agnes.]]



* MacheteMayhem: Wulfstein's weapon of choice is a single-edged weapon with no handguards. Sounds like a machete.



* NeverLearnedToRead: Coteral.

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* NeverLearnedToRead: Coteral. He learns due to Guy.



* NoKillLikeOverkill:
** [[spoiler:The Danes cut off d'Aubigny's hands and feet (with Prince John cutting off one of the hands), then throw his carcass at the keep wall.]]
** [[spoiler:Becket is slashed repeatedly by the Danes and his head smashed by Tiberius.]]



* ShownTheirWork: One soldier is seen wielding a very bizarre type of chopping weapon that appears in the illustrations of the 13th century Morgan Bible.

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* ShownTheirWork: One soldier Wulfstein is seen wielding a very bizarre type of chopping weapon that appears in the illustrations of the 13th century Morgan Bible.



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Cornhill gives a blistering one to John after he's captured. John [[VillainousBreakdown doesn't take it well.]]

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Cornhill d'Aubigny gives a blistering one to John after he's captured. John [[VillainousBreakdown doesn't take it well.]]
1st Dec '16 12:42:36 PM TheBigBopper
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''Ironclad'' is a 2011 medieval action film directed by Jonathan English. The film was written by English and Erick Kastel, based on a screenplay by Stephen [=McDool=].

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''Ironclad'' is a 2011 medieval action film directed by Jonathan English. The film It was written by English and Erick Kastel, based on a screenplay by Stephen [=McDool=].
1st Dec '16 11:56:36 AM k410ren
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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe.

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* AnAxeToGrind: Tiberius' weapon of choice is an extra large double-bitted axe. Becket's main weapon is a single-bladed axe combined with a spear.



* DefiantToTheEnd: [[spoiler:d'Aubigny continues to resist King John's attempts to cow him even while getting his hands and feet chopped off.]]



* DwindlingParty: The seven knights.
** [[spoiler:Marks]]: Shot in the throat by Danish archers.
** [[spoiler:Wulfstein]]: Speared through the head by Tiberius.
** [[spoiler:d'Aubigny]]: Hands and feet chopped off by Prince John and Danes, then his corpse thrown at the castle wall.
** [[spoiler:Coteral]]: Stabbed by Danes.
** [[spoiler:Becket]]: Head smashed by Tiberius.



* HeroKiller: [[TheDragon Tiberius]] kills [[spoiler:Wulfstein]] and [[spoiler:Becket]], two of the seven knights.



* SacrificialLion: [[spoiler:Marks is the first of the seven to die.]]

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* SacrificialLion: [[spoiler:Marks is the first of the seven to die.die, about halfway through during the second assault on the castle.]]
30th Nov '16 10:51:26 PM TheBigBopper
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* TheSiege: Might as well be called ''Castle Siege: The Movie''.
* SuspiciouslySmallArmy: The castle is depicted as having twenty defenders, when it was actually more like a hundred. The funny thing is that small castle garrisons are not unreakistic ''in general'', and in fact RealLife castle garrisons in medieval Europe could be even ''smaller'', since a castle was designed to be defensible by a small people, and too many mouths to feed inside the castle was a liability during a prolonged siege. It's just that it contradicts what the record tells us about this particular case. Perhaps the film crew didn't want to hire so many extras, or wanted to exaggerate the defenders' role as outnumbered underdogs.

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* TheSiege: Might as well be called ''Castle Siege: The Movie''.
whole story is about a small number of heroic defenders trying to hold their castle against an evil besieging army, hoping that help will arrive before the enemy breaks through or starves them out.
* SuspiciouslySmallArmy: The castle is depicted as having twenty defenders, when in real life it was actually more like a hundred. The funny thing is that small castle garrisons are not unreakistic unrealistic ''in general'', and in fact RealLife castle garrisons in medieval Europe could be even ''smaller'', since a castle was designed to be defensible by a small people, and too many mouths to feed inside the castle was a liability during a prolonged siege. It's just that it the film portrayal contradicts what the record tells us about this particular case. Perhaps the film crew didn't want to hire so many extras, or wanted to exaggerate the defenders' role as outnumbered underdogs.
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