History Film / HeavenlyCreatures

2nd Oct '17 6:49:23 PM CaptEquinox
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** The "Letter from Old Stew" scene is more bunkum. Pauline was ''not'' failing English, but doing well in school and didn't want to leave. Honorah pulled her out because she felt the school was causing her to have pretentions/ambitions above her lowly working-class station. The letter, when it came, questioned Honorah's decision, and was signed not just by Miss Stewart but by Hilda Hulme, Juliet's mother, who was on the school board. Had Jackson stuck to the facts here, it would have gone a long way toward establishing Honorah's real character and Pauline's motive. Since he wanted to make Honorah nicer than she really was, the incident was rewritten to portray her as just a concerned mum.
14th Sep '17 3:21:36 PM thatother1dude
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* AntiEscapismAesop: An incredibly creepy example. The fact that it was BasedOnATrueStory doesn't helps any to reduce that, either.
** In RealLife, their attorneys used the girls' writing and "Fourth World" religion in an insanity defense. It was clear that their fantasy life was ''not'' the rationale behind the murder, and the defense were practically laughed out of court.
* BigFancyHouse: Ilam, home of the Hulmes.

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* AntiEscapismAesop: An incredibly creepy example. The fact that it was BasedOnATrueStory doesn't helps any to reduce that, either.
** In RealLife, their attorneys used the girls' writing and "Fourth World" religion in an insanity defense. It was clear that their fantasy life was ''not'' the rationale behind the murder, and the defense were practically laughed out of court.
* BigFancyHouse: Ilam, home of the Hulmes.



** Pauline's classmates point out that the film makes Honorah ''much'' more sympathetic than she really was.



** In reality, ''Pauline'' was described as glamorous by classmates; a "proud beauty", "like a gypsy". Juliet was considered a [[BritishStuffiness snooty Brit]] with a "perpetual cold" who (they thought) [[PlayingSick exaggerated her symptoms]] for attention.



** The real Dr. Bennett was TheShrink, version 2, right down to testifying at length (somewhat incoherently) on the witness stand that the young women were completely bonkers. It didn't fly, his testimony was ripped to shreds by the prosecution, and Pauline and Juliet were convicted.



* YuriGenre: One of the more disturbing examples, really.

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory:
** In RealLife, the girls' writing and "Fourth World" religion were in their trial as an InsanityDefense that was practically laughed out of court.
** In reality, ''Pauline'' was described as glamorous by classmates; a "proud beauty", "like a gypsy". Juliet was considered a [[BritishStuffiness snooty Brit]] with a "perpetual cold" who (they thought) [[PlayingSick exaggerated her symptoms]] for attention.
** The real Dr. Bennett was TheShrink, version 2, right down to testifying at length (somewhat incoherently) on the witness stand that the young women were completely bonkers. It didn't fly, his testimony was ripped to shreds by the prosecution, and Pauline and Juliet were convicted.
** Pauline's classmates point out that the film makes Honorah ''much'' more sympathetic than she really was.
* BigFancyHouse: Ilam, home of the Hulmes.
* YuriGenre: One of the more disturbing examples, really.
30th Aug '17 11:24:17 PM CaptEquinox
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* {{Irony}}: The girls concoct the scheme because they are desperate not to be separated. Only for them to be arrested immediately, sent to different prisons, and "it was a condition of their release that they never meet again".[[note]]According to Peter Graham's account of the Parker-Hulme murder, ''So Brilliantly Clever'', "It has often been said, not least by Juliet Hulme herself, that a condition of the girls’ release was that they were to have no further communication. This was not so. The ''Sydney Sun-Herald'' quoted [Secretary for Justice] Barnett as saying, "Miss Hulme’s release is unconditional. . . . Miss Parker’s release is subject to general control as to her residence, employment and the like". Asked if the girls had been given, or been asked to give, an understanding to keep apart or refrain from corresponding, the secretary for justice said they had not been released on such a condition."[[/note]]
As far as anyone knows, they haven't.

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* {{Irony}}: The girls concoct the scheme because they are desperate not to be separated. Only for them to be arrested immediately, sent to different prisons, and "it was a condition of their release that they never meet again".[[note]]According [[note]]This is a load of bunkum, originally concocted by Juliet / Anne Perry. According to Peter Graham's account of the Parker-Hulme murder, ''So Brilliantly Clever'', "It has often been said, not least by Juliet Hulme herself, that a condition of the girls’ release was that they were to have no further communication. This was not so. The ''Sydney Sun-Herald'' quoted [Secretary for Justice] Barnett as saying, "Miss Hulme’s release is unconditional. . . . Miss Parker’s release is subject to general control as to her residence, employment and the like". Asked if the girls had been given, or been asked to give, an understanding to keep apart or refrain from corresponding, the secretary for justice said they had not been released on such a condition."[[/note]]
"[[/note]] As far as anyone knows, they haven't.
30th Aug '17 11:12:40 PM CaptEquinox
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** Possibly because he had put on numerous NightmareFuel [Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds radio drama]] and stage plays, including a version of ''Dracula'' with script taken straight from the book, Orson had quite the reputation among young women in this time period. You either thought he was fascinating and sexy, or -- the most hideous man alive.

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** Possibly because he had put on numerous NightmareFuel [Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds [[Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds radio drama]] and stage plays, including a version of ''Dracula'' with script taken straight from the book, Orson had quite the reputation among young women in this time period. You either thought he was fascinating and sexy, or -- the most hideous man alive.
30th Aug '17 11:11:59 PM CaptEquinox
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** In RealLife, their attorneys used the girls' writing and "Fourth World" religion in an insanity defense. It was clear that their fantasy life was ''not'' the rationale behind the murder, and the defense were practically laughed out of court.



* DatingWhatDaddyHates: A variation, but when Pauline's parents are SlutShaming her for sleeping with Jonathan (when she actually hadn't), she retaliates by sneaking over to his house and making it official, whilst imagining she's actually in Borovnia reuniting with Diello and the rest of the royal family, including Juliet.

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* DatingWhatDaddyHates: A variation, but when Pauline's parents are SlutShaming her for sleeping with Jonathan (when she actually hadn't), had only cuddled with him), she retaliates by sneaking over to his house and making it official, whilst imagining she's actually in Borovnia reuniting with Diello and the rest of the royal family, including Juliet.



** Possibly because he had put on numerous NightmareFuel radio and stage plays, including a version of ''Dracula'' with script taken straight from the book, Orson had quite the reputation among young women in this time period. You either thought he was fascinating and sexy, or -- the most hideous man alive.

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** Possibly because he had put on numerous NightmareFuel [Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds radio drama]] and stage plays, including a version of ''Dracula'' with script taken straight from the book, Orson had quite the reputation among young women in this time period. You either thought he was fascinating and sexy, or -- the most hideous man alive.



* IHaveManyNames: Pauline Rieper, AKA Paul (for short), Charles (role-playing), Gina (preferred name), and Yvonne (middle name/family nickname) [[spoiler: and Pauline Parker, after it's discovered that her parents never married, and Hilary Nathan, after being released from prison]]; Juliet Hulme, AKA Deborah ("Deborrah") [[spoiler: as well as the alias she used after she's released from prison]]. Additionally, Pauline renames her lover from boring ol' John to Nicholas.

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* IHaveManyNames: Pauline Rieper, AKA Paul (for short), Charles (role-playing), Gina (preferred name), and Yvonne (middle name/family nickname) [[spoiler: and Pauline Parker, after it's discovered that her parents never married, and Hilary Nathan, after being released from prison]]; Juliet Hulme, AKA Deborah ("Deborrah") ("Debórah") [[spoiler: as well as the alias she used after she's released from prison]]. Additionally, Pauline renames her lover from boring ol' John to Nicholas.



* {{Irony}}: The girls concoct the scheme because they are desperate not to be separated. Only for them to be arrested immediately, sent to different prisons, and when they're released, have a condition of that be that they never see or speak to each other again. As far as anyone knows, they haven't.

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* {{Irony}}: The girls concoct the scheme because they are desperate not to be separated. Only for them to be arrested immediately, sent to different prisons, and when they're released, have "it was a condition of that be their release that they never see meet again".[[note]]According to Peter Graham's account of the Parker-Hulme murder, ''So Brilliantly Clever'', "It has often been said, not least by Juliet Hulme herself, that a condition of the girls’ release was that they were to have no further communication. This was not so. The ''Sydney Sun-Herald'' quoted [Secretary for Justice] Barnett as saying, "Miss Hulme’s release is unconditional. . . . Miss Parker’s release is subject to general control as to her residence, employment and the like". Asked if the girls had been given, or speak been asked to each other again. give, an understanding to keep apart or refrain from corresponding, the secretary for justice said they had not been released on such a condition."[[/note]]
As far as anyone knows, they haven't.
22nd Apr '17 6:32:42 PM Golondrina
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* TheDreaded: OrsonWelles...for some reason.

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* TheDreaded: OrsonWelles...Creator/OrsonWelles...for some reason.
6th Mar '17 11:24:53 PM CaptEquinox
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The story is {{narrat|or}}ed by [[TeensAreMonsters 14-year old]] Pauline Rieper (Creator/MelanieLynskey) through her RealLife diary entries from the time she meets [[ManicPixieDreamGirl Juliet]] [[IllGirl Hulme]] (Winslet) to when they create [[ImagineSpot their own fantasy world]], to when their impending separation causes them to believe MurderIsTheBestSolution to their problems.

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The story is {{narrat|or}}ed by [[TeensAreMonsters 14-year old]] Pauline Rieper (Creator/MelanieLynskey) through her RealLife diary entries from the time she meets [[ManicPixieDreamGirl Juliet]] [[IllGirl Hulme]] (Winslet) to when [[WorldBuilding they create create]] [[ImagineSpot their own fantasy world]], to when their impending separation causes them to believe MurderIsTheBestSolution to their problems.



* CommonalityConnection: Juliet and Pauline bond over their shared history of being [[IllGirl Ill Girls.]]
* CompletelyOffTopicReport: The girls are assigned to write an essay on the British Royal Family. Juliet instead writes one on the royal family of Borovnia, the fantasy realm she and Pauline created. Pauline comes to her defense by pointing out the assignment never specified which royals.

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* CommonalityConnection: Juliet and Pauline bond over their shared history of being [[IllGirl Ill Girls.]]
]] They are also both huge fans of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggles Biggles]] adventure series.
* CompletelyOffTopicReport: The girls are assigned to write an essay on "The Role of the British Royal Family. Family Today". Juliet instead writes one on the royal family of Borovnia, the fantasy realm she and Pauline created. Pauline comes to her defense by pointing out the assignment never specified which royals.



* DatingWhatDaddyHates: A variation, but when Pauline's parents are SlutShaming her for sleeping with Jonathan (when she actually hadn't), she retaliates by sneaking over to his house and making it official, whilst imagining she's actually making love to Diello.

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* DatingWhatDaddyHates: A variation, but when Pauline's parents are SlutShaming her for sleeping with Jonathan (when she actually hadn't), she retaliates by sneaking over to his house and making it official, whilst imagining she's actually making love to Diello.in Borovnia reuniting with Diello and the rest of the royal family, including Juliet.



** Possibly because he had put on numerous NightmareFuel radio and stage plays, including a version of ''Dracula'' with script taken straight from the book, Orson had quite the reputation among young women in this time period. You either thought he was fascinating and sexy, or -- the most hideous man alive.



* ImagineSpot: The girls imagine very violent things happening to a sanctimonious priest, a smarmy child psychologist, and their parents.

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* ImagineSpot: The girls imagine very violent things happening to a sanctimonious priest, a smarmy child psychologist, and their parents. Other Imagine Spots have them visiting Borovnia, and they have a spiritual vision of the Fourth World (their version of heaven).



** Pauline's classmates point out that the film makes Honorah ''much'' more sympathetic than she really was.



** And Dad was ''still married'' at the time!



** The real Dr. Bennett was TheShrink, version 2, right down to testifying at length (somewhat incoherently) on the witness stand that the young women were completely bonkers.

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** The real Dr. Bennett was TheShrink, version 2, right down to testifying at length (somewhat incoherently) on the witness stand that the young women were completely bonkers. It didn't fly, his testimony was ripped to shreds by the prosecution, and Pauline and Juliet were convicted.
4th Feb '17 10:30:32 AM jamespolk
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The story is {{narrat|or}}ed by [[TeensAreMonsters 14-year old]] Pauline Rieper through her RealLife diary entries from the time she meets [[ManicPixieDreamGirl Juliet]] [[IllGirl Hulme]], to when they create [[ImagineSpot their own fantasy world]], to when their impending separation causes them to believe MurderIsTheBestSolution to their problems.

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The story is {{narrat|or}}ed by [[TeensAreMonsters 14-year old]] Pauline Rieper (Creator/MelanieLynskey) through her RealLife diary entries from the time she meets [[ManicPixieDreamGirl Juliet]] [[IllGirl Hulme]], Hulme]] (Winslet) to when they create [[ImagineSpot their own fantasy world]], to when their impending separation causes them to believe MurderIsTheBestSolution to their problems.
23rd Sep '16 3:08:21 AM foxley
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* CompletelyOffTopicReport: The girls are assigned to write an essay on the British Royal Family. Juliet instead writes one on the royal family of Borovnia, the fantasy realm she and Pauline created. Pauline comes to her defense by pointing out the assignment never specified which royals.
15th Aug '16 7:48:21 PM Stevebob
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* DawsonCasting: Avoided. Both leads were teenage actresses.
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