History Film / HamburgerHill

18th Aug '17 6:34:37 PM ajbit26
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* AngryBlackMan: Played straight with the educated and well spoken Doc Johnson, who is constantly commenting on issues of race to his white squadmates, along with frequent emotional outbursts. Subverted thoroughly as he is fiercely protective of the men, repeatedly risks his life to reach anyone who falls regardless of their color, and is [[VitriolicBestBuds close friends]] with several white troops, especially SGT Frantz.
* AnyoneCanDie: it being a war movie based on real-life events, a large chunk of the cast (including several major characters) doesn't make it through the movie.

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* AngryBlackMan: Played straight with the educated and well spoken Doc "Doc" Johnson, who is constantly commenting on issues of race to his white squadmates, along with frequent emotional outbursts. Subverted thoroughly as he is fiercely protective of the men, repeatedly risks his life to reach anyone who falls regardless of their color, and is [[VitriolicBestBuds close friends]] with several white troops, especially SGT Frantz.
* AnyoneCanDie: it It being a war movie based on real-life events, a large chunk of the cast (including several major characters) doesn't don't make it through the movie.



--> '''Sgt. Worchester:''' We had a short-timer once, Johnny I-Forget-His-Name. Wore two helmets, two flak jackets and armored underwear. A Shau Valley... If your time's up, your time is UP.

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--> '''Sgt. Worchester:''' We had a short-timer once, Johnny I-Forget-His-Name. Wore two helmets, two flak jackets and armored underwear. A At Shau Valley... If your time's up, your time is UP.



%%* BattleInTheRain

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%%* BattleInTheRain* BasedOnATrueStory: The movie depicts the 101st efforts (who would suffer the most losses in the actual battle on the American side) in the battle of Hamburger Hill.
* BattleInTheRain: The second to last battle takes place in a massive downpour.



%%* BilingualBonus Vietnamese: "Dinky Dao"

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%%* BilingualBonus Vietnamese: "Dinky Dao"* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: The 101st takes the hill, but suffer terrible losses, the survivors are horribly scarred, and worst of all, the Army abandons the hill a month later.]]



* DeathFromAbove: Helicopter air support. Trope name doubles as motto for the 101st Airborne.

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* DeathFromAbove: Helicopter and fighter-bomber air support. Trope name doubles as motto for the 101st Airborne.



* HollywoodTactics: Foot soldiers assaulting a hill that holds little strategic worth, full of entrenched enemies. Tragic, but though [[TruthInTelevision it did in fact happen]].

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* HollywoodTactics: Foot soldiers assaulting a hill that holds little strategic worth, full of entrenched enemies. Tragic, but though especially since [[TruthInTelevision it did in fact happen]].



%%* NewMeat: Follow experience of [=FNGs=].
%%* OnlyAFleshWound: Frantz's arm at the beginning.

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%%* * NewMeat: Follow experience of [=FNGs=].
%%*
The movie opens with the [=FNGs=] being brought in to the bolster the ranks.
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OnlyAFleshWound: Frantz's arm at the beginning.beginning. Beletsky is also wounded late, but chooses to stay for the final assault.



* {{Retirony}} [[spoiler: PVT [=McDaniel=]]] is a short timer who hears a rumor that the squad is being sent back into the A Shau valley and asks his sergeant to find him a job back at the rear before they're sent in. Guess who is killed during the first assault on the hill.

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* {{Retirony}} [[spoiler: PVT Sgt. [=McDaniel=]]] is a short timer who hears a rumor that the squad is being sent back into the A Shau valley and asks his sergeant to find him a job back at the rear before they're sent in. Guess who is killed during the first assault on the hill.



%%* SoundtrackDissonance: Averted. The Animals' song "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" used to great effect. {{Truth in Television}}.



** '''Sgt. Frantz:''' "Some of you think you have problems because you're against the war. You demonstrated in school, you wear peace symbols on your steel, and you have attitudes. I'm orphan, my brother's queer, the city of Chicago got the clap from my sister, Mom drinks, Dad coughs blood, I have ringworm, immersion foot, the incurable crud and the draft ruined my chances of being a brain surgeon. People, you are in Vietnam. You have no problems. Except me. And him."

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** '''Sgt. Frantz:''' "Some of you think you have problems because you're against the war. You demonstrated in school, you wear peace symbols on your steel, and you have attitudes. I'm an orphan, my brother's queer, the city of Chicago got the clap from my sister, Mom drinks, Dad coughs blood, I have ringworm, immersion foot, the incurable crud and the draft ruined my chances of being a brain surgeon. People, you are in Vietnam. You have no problems. Except me. And him."



* ThousandYardStare: Several, in the aftermath of each of the eleven assaults up the hill. SGT Frantz gives one to Alphabet after the FNG's first battle, when the {{new meat}} looks for his sergeant's approval afterwards. "We got our cherries busted good today, didn't we?" Frantz's response, after giving the stare: "One of my people got killed. That's all that happened today." Also, [[spoiler: At the end of the brutal fight up the hill, the three survivors all look back down at the charred, deforested hilltop littered with bodies from both sides with utterly empty, haunted expressions.]]
%%* TrueCompanions
%%* UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar
%%* WarIsHell
%%* WasItReallyWorthIt: The sign at the end.
%%* WeHaveReserves

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* ThousandYardStare: Several, in the aftermath of each of the eleven assaults up the hill. SGT Sgt. Frantz gives one to Alphabet after the FNG's first battle, when the {{new meat}} looks for his sergeant's approval afterwards. "We got our cherries busted good today, didn't we?" Frantz's response, after giving the stare: "One of my people got killed. That's all that happened today." Also, [[spoiler: At the end of the brutal fight up the hill, the three survivors all look back down at the charred, deforested hilltop littered with bodies from both sides with utterly empty, haunted expressions.]]
%%* TrueCompanions
%%*
* TrueCompanions: The 101st
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UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar
%%* WarIsHell
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* WarIsHell: It was called Hamburger Hill for a reason.
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WasItReallyWorthIt: The sign at the end.
%%* WeHaveReserves* WeHaveReserves: The Army sends the 101st on 11 different charges up a heavily fortified position before finally taking the hill.



%%* YouHaveWaitedLongEnough: Breakup letter.

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%%* * YouHaveWaitedLongEnough: Breakup letter. The breakup letter that Bienstock receives.
3rd Jun '17 7:35:24 PM ElectricZ
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--> '''Sgt. Worchester:''' I remember a guy once, Johnny I-Forget-His-Name. Wore two helmets, two flak jackets and armored underwear. In the A Shau Valley, when your time is up, your time is UP.

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--> '''Sgt. Worchester:''' I remember We had a guy short-timer once, Johnny I-Forget-His-Name. Wore two helmets, two flak jackets and armored underwear. In the A Shau Valley, when Valley... If your time is time's up, your time is UP.



* TheDreaded: A place as opposed to a person, spoken of with obvious dread and respect by the veteran members of the squad, with one expressing his outright fear of it. When one of the replacements asks "What's the A Shau?" he only gets a cold stare as a reply.

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* TheDreaded: A place as opposed to a person, the A Shau Valley, spoken of with obvious dread and respect by the veteran members of the squad, with one expressing his outright fear of it. When one of the replacements asks "What's the A Shau?" Shau Valley?" he only gets a cold stare as a reply.



--> '''Beletsky:''' And they yanked that gold fuckin' spoon outta my mouth and sent me here so I could see how you low-class Eleven-Boos live, is that it?

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--> '''Beletsky:''' And they yanked pulled that gold fuckin' spoon outta my mouth and sent me here so I could see how you low-class Eleven-Boos live, is that it?
4th Oct '16 3:12:56 PM theLibrarian
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* StrawCivilian: Inept, naive, or downright hostile.

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* StrawCivilian: Inept, naive, or downright hostile. Multiple characters have their relationships ruined by the anti-war movement at home, and at least one ''goes back'' to Vietnam after coming home to nothing but hostility from young hippies and college kids that have a Jane Fonda-like attitude toward the NVA (even calling them "heroic" and the US soldiers "evil"), to the point where they harass a bartender that had a son in Vietnam after he died.
15th Aug '16 3:22:06 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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** Despite popular belief, statistical breakdown of American casualties in Vietnam shows that black troops were actually ''less'' likely to be killed or wounded than whites or hispanics. Doesn't mean they didn't have legitimate grievances against racism, of course.

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** Despite popular belief, statistical breakdown of American casualties in Vietnam shows that black troops were actually ''less'' likely to be killed or wounded than whites or hispanics.Hispanics. Doesn't mean they didn't have legitimate grievances against racism, of course.
15th Aug '16 3:17:41 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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''Hamburger Hill'' is a 1987 American [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam War]] film about the actual assault of the U.S. Army's 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Division 'Screaming Eagles', on a well-fortified position, including trenchworks and bunkers, of the North Vietnamese Army on Ap Bia Mountain near the Laotian border.

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''Hamburger Hill'' is a 1987 American [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam War]] film about the actual assault of the U.S. Army's 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Division 'Screaming Eagles', "Screaming Eagles," on a well-fortified position, including trenchworks and bunkers, of the North Vietnamese Army on Ap Bia Mountain near the Laotian border.
15th Aug '16 3:16:41 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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** '''Sgt. Frantz:''' Some of you think you have problems because you're against the war. You demonstrated in school, you wear peace symbols on your steel, and you have attitudes. I'm orphan, my brother's queer, the city of Chicago got the clap from my sister, Mom drinks, Dad coughs blood, I have ringworm, immersion foot, the incurable crud and the draft ruined my chances of being a brain surgeon. People, you are in Vietnam. You have no problems. Except me. And him.

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** '''Sgt. Frantz:''' Some "Some of you think you have problems because you're against the war. You demonstrated in school, you wear peace symbols on your steel, and you have attitudes. I'm orphan, my brother's queer, the city of Chicago got the clap from my sister, Mom drinks, Dad coughs blood, I have ringworm, immersion foot, the incurable crud and the draft ruined my chances of being a brain surgeon. People, you are in Vietnam. You have no problems. Except me. And him."
15th Aug '16 3:14:47 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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* ScareEmStraight: When showing the fresh troops how silent and deadly the NVA are vs the VC, the instructor specifically tells them to forget about "(Victor) Charlie" and worry about "Nathaniel Victor".
%%* SoundtrackDissonance: Averted. The Animals' song "We Gotta Get out of This Place" used to great effect. {{Truth in Television}}.

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* ScareEmStraight: When showing the fresh troops how silent and deadly the NVA are vs vs. the VC, the instructor specifically tells them to forget about "(Victor) Charlie" and worry about "Nathaniel Victor".
Victor."
%%* SoundtrackDissonance: Averted. The Animals' song "We Gotta Get out Out of This Place" used to great effect. {{Truth in Television}}.
15th Aug '16 3:09:03 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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* CaliforniaDoubling: the Phillipines standing in for Vietnam.

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* CaliforniaDoubling: the Phillipines The Philippines standing in for Vietnam.



* EveryHelicopterIsAHuey: Justified. It's the Vietnam war, and historically accurate.

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* EveryHelicopterIsAHuey: Justified. It's the Vietnam war, War, and historically accurate.
15th Aug '16 3:08:14 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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* BadassCreed: "Don't Mean Nothin"

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* BadassCreed: "Don't Mean Nothin"Nothin'"
13th Aug '16 9:39:27 AM erforce
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''Hamburger Hill'' is a 1987 American VietnamWar film about the actual assault of the U.S. Army's 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Division 'Screaming Eagles', on a well-fortified position, including trenchworks and bunkers, of the North Vietnamese Army on Ap Bia Mountain near the Laotian border.

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''Hamburger Hill'' is a 1987 American VietnamWar [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam War]] film about the actual assault of the U.S. Army's 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Division 'Screaming Eagles', on a well-fortified position, including trenchworks and bunkers, of the North Vietnamese Army on Ap Bia Mountain near the Laotian border.



* BilingualBonus Vietnamese: "Dinky Dao"

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* %%* BilingualBonus Vietnamese: "Dinky Dao"



* NewMeat: Follow experience of [=FNGs=].
* OnlyAFleshWound: Frantz's arm at the beginning.

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* %%* NewMeat: Follow experience of [=FNGs=].
* %%* OnlyAFleshWound: Frantz's arm at the beginning.



* WasItReallyWorthIt: The sign at the end.

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* %%* WasItReallyWorthIt: The sign at the end.



* YouHaveWaitedLongEnough: Breakup letter.

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* %%* YouHaveWaitedLongEnough: Breakup letter.
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