History Film / Downfall

24th Aug '16 1:55:19 PM LordGro
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** The {{Irony}} here is that Hitler's veneration of Frederick II is based largely on [[ArtisticLicenseHistory his poor understanding of Frederick II's historical character]]: Frederick II was a flute-playing (and very possibly homosexual) Francophile who cringed at Prussian soldier culture. Hitler would've likely despised Freddie if he ever met him.
24th Aug '16 9:31:32 AM narm00
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* MotherRussiaMakesYouStrong: At the end, ''Hitler'' believes this, explaining in his Last Testament that a Soviet victory means that they are a more deserving race than [[YouHaveFailedMe German one]] and their [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin strong leader]] will complete world conquest after destroying the "decadent democracies of the west." It's somewhat at odds with the accepted wisdom of the time that one of the USSR's greatest threats was its status as a highly mixed "mongrel race", and the common sense that there wasn't actually a ''Soviet'' race in the first place (presumably he meant the Slavs?).

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* MotherRussiaMakesYouStrong: At the end, ''Hitler'' believes this, explaining in his Last Testament that a Soviet victory means that they are a more deserving race than [[YouHaveFailedMe German one]] and their [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin strong leader]] will complete world conquest after destroying the "decadent democracies of the west." It's somewhat at odds with the accepted wisdom of the time that one of the USSR's greatest threats was its status as a highly mixed "mongrel race", and the common sense that there wasn't actually a ''Soviet'' race in the first place (presumably he meant the Slavs?).
24th Aug '16 9:30:31 AM narm00
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** General Helmuth Weidling got a pint of this: Hitler orders his execution on assumption that he moved his command post to the west. After his attempt to solve the misunderstanding, Hitler was impressed and appointed him as commander of the defense of Berlin.

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** General Helmuth Weidling got a pint of this: Hitler orders his execution on the assumption that he moved his command post to the west. After his attempt to solve the misunderstanding, Hitler was impressed and appointed him as commander of the defense of Berlin.



** Grawitz, the head of the ''German Red Cross'' who was simultaneously one of the leading planners of the Nazi human experimentation program (directly responsible for wounding prisoners and intentionally infecting them with gangrene to test treatments on them) appears in the film, but as opposed to a menacing hands-on surgeon, he's portrayed (much as he arguably was) as a cowardly fat bureaucrat, begging Hitler to allow him to flee Berlin rather than face justice at the hands of the Red Army. He takes the coward's way out by killing himself and his entire family with grenades while they're eating dinner.
* HistoricalBeautyUpdate: Compare the real [[http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/133d/essays/images/JungePortrait.jpg Traudl Junge]], with this [[http://images.wikia.com/hitlerparody/images/e/e2/Traudl.jpg one]].

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** Grawitz, the head of the ''German Red Cross'' who was simultaneously one of the leading planners of the Nazi human experimentation program (directly responsible for wounding prisoners and intentionally infecting them with gangrene to test treatments on them) them), appears in the film, but as opposed to a menacing hands-on surgeon, he's portrayed (much as he arguably was) as a cowardly fat bureaucrat, begging Hitler to allow him to flee Berlin rather than face justice at the hands of the Red Army. He takes the coward's way out by killing himself and his entire family with grenades while they're eating dinner.
* HistoricalBeautyUpdate: Compare the real [[http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/133d/essays/images/JungePortrait.jpg Traudl Junge]], Junge]] with this [[http://images.wikia.com/hitlerparody/images/e/e2/Traudl.jpg one]].



* LaserGuidedKarma: Hitler is dining and elaborates about being TheSocialDarwinist, how compassion is an evil sin, to feel empathy for the weak is treason to nature, and how Hitler had always chose the most reasonable path: to destroy the weak inside and outside Germany. Just then, he gets a report about Himmler surrendering to the allies. Himmler just had ScrewThisImOuttaHere and, ''reasonably'', [[IFightForTheStrongestSide is abandoning the weak (Hitler) to join the strong]]. Of course Hitler fails to see the irony and begins yet another VillainousBreakdown.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: Hitler is dining and elaborates about being TheSocialDarwinist, how compassion is an evil sin, to feel empathy for the weak is treason to nature, and how Hitler had always chose chosen the most reasonable path: to destroy the weak inside and outside Germany. Just then, he gets a report about Himmler surrendering to the allies. Himmler just had went ScrewThisImOuttaHere and, ''reasonably'', [[IFightForTheStrongestSide is abandoning the weak (Hitler) to join the strong]]. Of course Hitler fails to see the irony and begins yet another VillainousBreakdown.



* MotherRussiaMakesYouStrong: At the end, ''Hitler'' believes this, explaining in his Last Testament that a Soviet victory means that they are a more deserving race than [[YouHaveFailedMe German one]] and their [[JosephStalin strong leader]] will complete world conquest after destroying the "decadent democracies of the west." It's somewhat at odds with the accepted wisdom of the time that one of the USSR's greatest threats was its status as a highly mixed "mongrel race", and the common sense that there wasn't actually a ''Soviet'' race in the first place (presumably he meant the Slavs?).

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* MotherRussiaMakesYouStrong: At the end, ''Hitler'' believes this, explaining in his Last Testament that a Soviet victory means that they are a more deserving race than [[YouHaveFailedMe German one]] and their [[JosephStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin strong leader]] will complete world conquest after destroying the "decadent democracies of the west." It's somewhat at odds with the accepted wisdom of the time that one of the USSR's greatest threats was its status as a highly mixed "mongrel race", and the common sense that there wasn't actually a ''Soviet'' race in the first place (presumably he meant the Slavs?).



** His statement that he values his dog much more that many people serves as EstablishingCharacterMoment.

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** His statement that he values his dog much more that than many people serves as EstablishingCharacterMoment.



* SympathyForTheDevil: It's often easy to sympathize with Hitler as a human being, watching him almost literally break apart from the enormity of his failure, but then you gets scenes where he reminds the audience what a cold-blooded, paranoid mass-murderer he is.

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* SympathyForTheDevil: It's often easy to sympathize with Hitler as a human being, watching him almost literally break apart from the enormity of his failure, but then you gets get scenes where he reminds the audience what a cold-blooded, paranoid mass-murderer he is.
24th Aug '16 2:10:26 AM thatmadork
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** The {{Irony}} here is that Hitler's veneration of Frederick II is based largely on [[ArtisticLicenseHistory his poor understanding of Frederick II's historical character]]: Frederick II was a flute-playing (and very possibly homosexual) Francophile who cringed at Prussian soldier culture. Hitler would've likely despised Freddie if he ever met him.
14th Aug '16 8:39:04 PM BatmanKalEl
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** It's also possible the "disciplined people of the East" he was referring to were his Japanese allies.
29th Jul '16 5:22:17 PM LtFedora
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* EmpathyDollShot: When Ernst-Robert Grawitz (an SS doctor who helped in the development of death camp gas chambers) kills himself, his wife, and his two children with grenades, we see a doll landing in the street after the explosion.

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* EmpathyDollShot: When Ernst-Robert Grawitz (an SS doctor who helped in the development of death camp gas chambers) kills himself, his wife, and his two three children with grenades, we see a doll landing in the street after the explosion.
27th Jul '16 6:29:22 AM LtFedora
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* TitleDrop: At Hitler's birthday reception, when Fegelein and Himmler pleads he evacuate.

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* TitleDrop: At Hitler's birthday reception, when Fegelein and Himmler pleads he's obsessing over his ''Welthauptstadt Germania'' model with Speer while the others plead that he evacuate.
12th Jul '16 3:59:55 AM PolystyreneMan
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** It's also possible the "disciplined people of the East" he was referring to were his Japanese allies.
28th Jun '16 6:58:09 PM TheDragonDemands
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* WrongGenreSavvy: All of the Nazis in general but Hitler most of all. For the first half, he keeps delusionally insisting that a last-minute counter-attack (from units that no longer exist) is going to miraculously turn back the Soviets. He insists that it's going to be the biggest reversal in military history (more than ''Stalingrad'' was), and his secretaries actually believe him, not realizing he has lost touch with reality. In Hitler's mind, the Nazis are the plucky heroes on the side of good and righteousness who are always saved at the last minute by divine favor: he's wrong. After he finally admits that the war is lost, he thinks this is all a tragedy with the Nazi leadership is the poor victims of everything that happened.

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* WrongGenreSavvy: All of the Nazis in general but Hitler most of all. For the first half, he keeps delusionally insisting that a last-minute counter-attack (from units that no longer exist) is going to miraculously turn back the Soviets. He insists that it's going to be the biggest reversal in military history (more than ''Stalingrad'' was), and his secretaries actually believe him, not realizing he has lost touch with reality. In Hitler's mind, the Nazis are the plucky heroes on the side of good and righteousness who are always saved at the last minute by divine favor: he's wrong. After he finally admits that the war is lost, he thinks this is all a tragedy with the Nazi leadership is as the poor victims of everything that happened.
12th Jun '16 6:08:30 AM mrthischarmingman2
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** Subverted in one scene where a unit filled with supposedly hardcore die-hards make a big deal about the fact that they're all either going to die fighting or kill themselves to avoid dishonour. Moments later, a messenger soberly brings the news that the German High Command has surrendered and the war is over... and only one or two of them actually go through with it, the others just left stunned but with no apparent intention of killing themselves.

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** Subverted in one scene where a unit filled with supposedly hardcore die-hards make a big deal about the fact that they're all either going to die fighting or kill themselves to avoid dishonour. Moments later, a messenger soberly brings the news that the German High Command has surrendered and the war is over... and only one or two of them actually go through with it, the others just left stunned but with no apparent intention of killing themselves.
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