History Film / Downfall

9th Feb '16 7:51:51 PM LtFedora
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-->'''Weidling:''' In the fight for Berlin, we lost 15 to 20,000 of the younger officers!\\
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-->'''Weidling:''' In the fight for Berlin, we we've already lost 15 fifteen to 20,000 twenty thousand of the younger officers!\\
9th Feb '16 7:50:32 PM LtFedora
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-->'''Weidling:''' In the fight for Berlin, we lost 15 to 20,000 of the younger officers!\\ '''Hitler:''' [[LackOfEmpathy But that's what young men are for.]]
5th Jan '16 12:59:36 PM aye_amber
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* YouHaveFailedMe: [[BadBoss Hitler and some of his cohorts]] attempt to do this to ''an entire country''.
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* YouHaveFailedMe: [[BadBoss Hitler and some of his cohorts]] attempt to do this to ''an entire country''.country.''
31st Dec '15 6:12:51 PM Smeagol17
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You most likely know it as the source of all those WebVideo/HitlerRants videos where the [[GagSub English subtitles are edited]] to satirize some usually trivial topics. The scene that is used for the Hitler Rants is actually a Hitler freakout that occurs after he learns that neither Wenck's 12th Army nor Army Group Steiner would be coming to the defense of Berlin (in RealLife, both forces were trying only to get west so they could surrender to the Allies).
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You most likely know it as the source of all those WebVideo/HitlerRants videos where the [[GagSub English subtitles are edited]] to satirize some usually trivial topics. The scene that is used for the Hitler Rants is actually a Hitler freakout that occurs after he learns that neither Wenck's 12th Army nor Army Group Steiner would be coming to the defense of Berlin (in RealLife, both forces were trying only to get west so they could surrender to the (Western) Allies).
31st Dec '15 6:09:29 PM MAI742
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** In one scene, the young blonde female soldier begs the young German officer to kill her as their position is being overrun. It may seem unusual at first as to why she wouldn't just run away, but a lesser known fact was that the Red Army sexually assaulted a tenth or so of the female population of the areas they came across (sometimes repeatedly), partly as payback for the way that Germany had explicitly waged a war to exterminate every last Soviet man woman and child ('Vernichtungskrieg'/'Total War') and had killed a dozen million of their civilians in various atrocities, and in small part to unnerve and spite the Germans by playing to German racial stereotypes about them and their rapaciousness. So the German officer shoots her in the heart, and then he shoots himself in the head shortly after, probably to also avoid being captured and sent to a gulag, where few German soldiers survived.
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** In one scene, the young blonde female soldier begs the young German officer to kill her as their position is being overrun. It may seem unusual at first as to why she wouldn't just run away, but a lesser known fact was that the Red Army sexually assaulted a tenth or so of the female population of the areas they came across (sometimes repeatedly), partly as payback for the way that Germany had explicitly waged a war to exterminate every last Soviet man woman and child ('Vernichtungskrieg'/'Total War') and had killed a dozen million of their civilians in various atrocities, and in small part to unnerve and spite the Germans by playing to German racial stereotypes about them and their rapaciousness. So the German officer shoots her in the heart, and then he shoots himself in the head shortly after, probably to also avoid being captured and sent to a gulag, where because he believed the propaganda about few or no Germans surviving Soviet captivity (300,000 of the 2.8 million German soldiers survived.POW died, though a third of those were the malnourished, lice-infested, typhus-ridden survivors of the Stalingrad pocket).
31st Dec '15 5:26:08 PM MAI742
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* AteHisGun: Many Nazis lose their will to live when faced with the end of the Nazi Reich. There are quite a few suicides using this and other means. * BetterToDieThanBeKilled: One recurring question for the cast is how they plan to deal with the Reich's downfall: will they choose to flee, be taken prisoner, or will they commit suicide to save face and avoid ending up as a POW?
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* AteHisGun: Many Nazis lose their will to live when faced with the end of the Nazi Reich.Reich... and the arrival of the Soviets, who cannot be expected to go to go easy on them after everything they've done. There are quite a few suicides using this and other means. * BetterToDieThanBeKilled: One recurring question for the cast is how they plan to deal with the Reich's downfall: will they choose to flee, be taken prisoner, prisoner by the Soviets, or will they commit suicide to save face and avoid ending up as a POW?imprisonment or trial and execution?

* ChildSoldiers: The Germans are so short of troops that they're using children. One particular scene has Hitler inspecting a line of kids and giving them medals. This scene is essentially a recreation of well-known newsreel footage of Hitler doing just that on his birthday on 20 April 1945.
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* ChildSoldiers: The Germans are so short of troops that they're using children. One particular scene has Hitler inspecting a line of kids and giving them medals. This scene is essentially a recreation of well-known newsreel footage of Hitler doing just that on his birthday on 20 the 20th of April 1945.
3rd Oct '15 12:42:13 PM LordGro
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Traudl Junge's autobiography makes no statement about her being raped. That Hitler's secretary would be arrested for interrogation is the most normal thing in the world. Junge did, in fact, escape from Berlin and was arrested some two months later. This whole "Germans are the true victims of WW 2" agenda is getting grating.
* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Dr. Ernst-GŁnther Schenck was involved in human experimentation upon concentration camp victims and was barred from practicing medicine in postwar West Germany. ** Fegelein, too. In real life he was responsible for several atrocities fighting partisans in Yugoslavia and was an unrepentant Nazi. He was also extremely corrupt, even by the standards of the SS. ** The Soviet Army's seizure of Berlin is certainly sanitized. The one instance of pillage in the movie is comical, consisting of a platoon of female Soviet soldiers going through [[AssholeVictim Magda Goebbels]]' dresses. Constance Manziarly is merely stated to have "disappeared" after leaving the bunker, when in real life she was last seen being taken into an underground station by two Soviet soldiers and was never heard of again - [[HappilyEverBefore it is commonly speculated that she was raped and murdered]]. Soviet soldiers also allow Traudl to walk pass them and leave the city in peace; in real life she was arrested and also raped.
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: HistoricalHeroUpgrade: ** Dr. Ernst-GŁnther Schenck was involved in human experimentation upon concentration camp victims and was barred from practicing medicine in postwar West Germany. ** Fegelein, too. In real life he Fegelein was responsible for several atrocities fighting partisans in Yugoslavia and was an unrepentant Nazi. He was also extremely corrupt, even by the standards of the SS. ** The Soviet Army's seizure of Berlin is certainly sanitized. The one instance of pillage in the movie is comical, consisting of a platoon of female Soviet soldiers going through [[AssholeVictim Magda Goebbels]]' dresses. Constance Manziarly is merely stated to have "disappeared" after leaving the bunker, when in real life she was last seen being taken into an underground station by two Soviet soldiers and was never heard of again - [[HappilyEverBefore it is commonly speculated that she was raped and murdered]]. Soviet soldiers also allow Traudl to walk pass them and leave the city in peace; in real life she was arrested and also raped.murdered.
3rd Oct '15 8:19:07 AM Ciara25
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** The Soviet Army's seizure of Berlin is certainly sanitized. The one instance of pillage in the movie is comical, consisting of a platoon of female Soviet soldiers going through [[AssholeVictim Magda Goebbels]]' dresses. Constance Manziarly is merely stated to have "disappeared" after leaving the bunker, when in real life she was last seen being taken into an underground station by two Soviet soldiers and was never heard of again - [[HappilyEverBefore it is commonly speculated that she was raped and murdered]]. Soviet soldiers also allow Traudl to walk pass them and leave the city in peace; in real life she was arrested.
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** The Soviet Army's seizure of Berlin is certainly sanitized. The one instance of pillage in the movie is comical, consisting of a platoon of female Soviet soldiers going through [[AssholeVictim Magda Goebbels]]' dresses. Constance Manziarly is merely stated to have "disappeared" after leaving the bunker, when in real life she was last seen being taken into an underground station by two Soviet soldiers and was never heard of again - [[HappilyEverBefore it is commonly speculated that she was raped and murdered]]. Soviet soldiers also allow Traudl to walk pass them and leave the city in peace; in real life she was arrested.arrested and also raped.
24th Sep '15 10:12:32 PM Brutannica
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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]), including a Russian seizure of Berlin. Hitler hoped for something similar for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.
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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat defeat, including a Russian seizure of Berlin, by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]), including a Russian seizure of Berlin.Brandenburg"]]). Hitler hoped for something similar for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.
24th Sep '15 10:11:13 PM Brutannica
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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]), something Hitler hoped for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.
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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]), something including a Russian seizure of Berlin. Hitler hoped for something similar for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.
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