History Film / Downfall

28th Jun '16 6:58:09 PM TheDragonDemands
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* WrongGenreSavvy: All of the Nazis in general but Hitler most of all. For the first half, he keeps delusionally insisting that a last-minute counter-attack (from units that no longer exist) is going to miraculously turn back the Soviets. He insists that it's going to be the biggest reversal in military history (more than ''Stalingrad'' was), and his secretaries actually believe him, not realizing he has lost touch with reality. In Hitler's mind, the Nazis are the plucky heroes on the side of good and righteousness who are always saved at the last minute by divine favor: he's wrong. After he finally admits that the war is lost, he thinks this is all a tragedy with the Nazi leadership is the poor victims of everything that happened.

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* WrongGenreSavvy: All of the Nazis in general but Hitler most of all. For the first half, he keeps delusionally insisting that a last-minute counter-attack (from units that no longer exist) is going to miraculously turn back the Soviets. He insists that it's going to be the biggest reversal in military history (more than ''Stalingrad'' was), and his secretaries actually believe him, not realizing he has lost touch with reality. In Hitler's mind, the Nazis are the plucky heroes on the side of good and righteousness who are always saved at the last minute by divine favor: he's wrong. After he finally admits that the war is lost, he thinks this is all a tragedy with the Nazi leadership is as the poor victims of everything that happened.
12th Jun '16 6:08:30 AM mrthischarmingman2
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** Subverted in one scene where a unit filled with supposedly hardcore die-hards make a big deal about the fact that they're all either going to die fighting or kill themselves to avoid dishonour. Moments later, a messenger soberly brings the news that the German High Command has surrendered and the war is over... and only one or two of them actually go through with it, the others just left stunned but with no apparent intention of killing themselves.

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** Subverted in one scene where a unit filled with supposedly hardcore die-hards make a big deal about the fact that they're all either going to die fighting or kill themselves to avoid dishonour. Moments later, a messenger soberly brings the news that the German High Command has surrendered and the war is over... and only one or two of them actually go through with it, the others just left stunned but with no apparent intention of killing themselves.
10th Jun '16 12:35:16 PM Malachi108
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** In fact, the last of the real-life counterparts of the characters in the bunker, Rochus Milch, died as recently as October, 2013.

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** In fact, the last of the real-life counterparts of the characters in the bunker, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochus_Misch Rochus Milch, Misch]], died as recently as October, 2013.
7th Jun '16 5:33:14 PM Doug86
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** At one point, another general also has a screaming fit, refusing to consider the possibility of surrender because he remembers the shame and humiliation of the German surrender at the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne. It's a sobering reminder of just how much suffering and misery was caused by what can be essentially chalked up as wounded pride and arrogance gone mad.

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** At one point, another general also has a screaming fit, refusing to consider the possibility of surrender because he remembers the shame and humiliation of the German surrender at the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. It's a sobering reminder of just how much suffering and misery was caused by what can be essentially chalked up as wounded pride and arrogance gone mad.
28th May '16 12:46:21 AM Mdumas43073
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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''

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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''
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28th May '16 12:46:08 AM Mdumas43073
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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''', ''Downfall''

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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''', ''Downfall''
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17th May '16 9:12:28 AM GMantis
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** Grawitz, the head of the ''German Red Cross'' who was simultaneously one of the leading planners of the Nazi human experimentation program (directly responsible for wounding prisoners and intentionally infecting them with gangrene to test treatments on them) appears in the film, but as opposed to a menacing hands-on surgeon, he's portrayed (much as he arguably was) as a cowardly fat bureaucrat, begging Hitler to allow him to flee Berlin rather than face justice at the hands of the Red Army. He takes the coward's way out by killing himself and his entire family with grenades while they're eating dinner (because he knew the Soviets would exact his punishment on his family as well).

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** Grawitz, the head of the ''German Red Cross'' who was simultaneously one of the leading planners of the Nazi human experimentation program (directly responsible for wounding prisoners and intentionally infecting them with gangrene to test treatments on them) appears in the film, but as opposed to a menacing hands-on surgeon, he's portrayed (much as he arguably was) as a cowardly fat bureaucrat, begging Hitler to allow him to flee Berlin rather than face justice at the hands of the Red Army. He takes the coward's way out by killing himself and his entire family with grenades while they're eating dinner (because he knew the Soviets would exact his punishment on his family as well).dinner.
17th May '16 9:08:10 AM GMantis
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Magda Goebbels, to an extent. Yes, in real life she did poison her children - or at least ordered for it to be carried out - but it wasn't ''just'' because she didn't want them to live in a world without National Socialism. She was justifiably worried that they would be forever condemned and persecuted as the children of one of the highest ranking and most hated Nazis, or else that they would be captured and brutalized by the Soviets.
10th May '16 11:37:49 AM LordGro
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** In real life, the Nazi race laws said that you could only prove that you were of "Aryan descent" if you had confirmed proof that all four of your grandparents were Germans and not Jews. Hitler's father was a bastard so he had no idea who his paternal grandfather was - even if his grandfather wasn't Jewish, he couldn't "prove" it at all, meaning he could not possibly hold himself up to the same standards he hypocritically expected of other people.
*** Even if ignoring this, they had to confirm that the participents were ''german''. Hitler was from Austria, so he would have been barred from marrying from the very start if he hadn't been The Fuhrer.
10th May '16 11:37:06 AM LordGro
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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat, including a Russian seizure of Berlin, by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]). Hitler hoped for something similar for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.

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* FolkHero: The picture Hitler looks at in one scene is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia King Frederick II of Prussia]], who was an idol to him. King Frederick was saved ''twice'' from utter defeat, including a Russian seizure of Berlin, by last-minute turns of events (the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg "Miracles of the House of Brandenburg"]]). Hitler hoped for something similar for himself (especially after [=FDR=] died). It should be noted that the ''real'' UsefulNotes/FrederickTheGreat was a flute-playing, (probably) gay, Francophile Freemason who would have loathed Hitler.



* OhCrap: The reaction of the German officers when they learn Hitler has committed suicide.

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The reaction of the German officers when they learn Hitler has committed suicide.



* PetTheDog: The opening scene where Hitler [[NiceToTheWaiter plays the friendly uncle whilst interviewing a nervous group of women for a new secretary]]. At one point, he literally pets his dog, Blondi, before testing Traudl's abilities as a secretary.

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The opening scene where Hitler [[NiceToTheWaiter plays the friendly uncle whilst interviewing a nervous group of women for a new secretary]]. At one point, he literally pets his dog, Blondi, before testing Traudl's abilities as a secretary.



* PrettyLittleHeadshots: They're less pretty than most, but still under-done.

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They're less pretty than most, but still under-done.



** Oddly, Trunge herself was raped by the Russian army, but instead has her walking past the Russians with a child unmolested.



--> Marriage officiant: Mein Führer, according to the racial law, I'm obliged to ask you: [[RightInFrontOFMe Mein Führer, are you of Aryan descent? Can I see your identity card?]]

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--> Marriage officiant: Mein Führer, according to the racial law, I'm obliged to ask you: [[RightInFrontOFMe Mein Führer, are you of Aryan descent? Can I see your identity card?]]card?



* ShownTheirWork: This movie was heavily researched. Much of the framing is taken from contemporary photographs and newsreels--one of the movie posters is basically a staged version of the very last picture ever taken of Adolf Hitler. The Hitler rant that became an infamous Internet meme is presented in this movie as it basically happened, with Hitler screaming at his subordinates, telling them he should have purged them like Stalin did to the Soviet general staff, and finally admitting that the war was lost and that he would kill himself in Berlin.

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* ShownTheirWork: ShownTheirWork:
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This movie was heavily researched. Much of the framing is taken from contemporary photographs and newsreels--one of the movie posters is basically a staged version of the very last picture ever taken of Adolf Hitler. The Hitler rant that became an infamous Internet meme is presented in this movie as it basically happened, with Hitler screaming at his subordinates, telling them he should have purged them like Stalin did to the Soviet general staff, and finally admitting that the war was lost and that he would kill himself in Berlin.
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