History Film / DownPeriscope

24th Jun '16 7:31:42 AM ChronoLegion
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* BigGood: Vice Admiral Winslow. He sees potential in Dodge and arranged the war game to give the Lieutenant Commander once last shot at commanding his own submarine. And when it becomes clear that Graham is setting Dodge up for failure, Winslow gives him higher orders to "think like a pirate" to circumvent Graham.

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* BigGood: Vice Admiral Winslow. He sees potential in Dodge and arranged the war game to give the Lieutenant Commander once last shot at commanding his own submarine. And when it becomes clear that Graham is setting Dodge up for failure, Winslow gives him higher orders to "think like a pirate" to circumvent Graham. He's also determined to figure out if it's possible for a rogue obsolete sub to seriously threaten the mighty US Navy, unlike the rest of the brass, who automatically dismiss the notion as ridiculous. [[spoiler:And yeah, he's proven right]].
24th Jun '16 2:03:48 AM DivineDeath
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* BigGood: Vice Admiral Winslow. He sees potential in Dodge and arranged the war game to give the Lieutenant Commander once last shot at commanding his own submarine. And when it becomes clear that Graham is setting Dodge up for failure, Winslow gives him higher orders to "think like a pirate" to circumvent Graham.
20th Jun '16 7:27:51 AM Odacon_Spy
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* TheAllegedCar: USS ''Stingray'', a ''Balao''-class fleet submarine, was the fastest, quietest, deadliest, most advanced weapon under the sea in her prime...which was in [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece 1943]]. She was considered obsolete in the late 50s, has been rusting on Red Lead Row since 1965, and didn't even get the GUPPY-II upgrade like many of her sisters. She was chosen to be the aggressor for the war game ''because'' of her obsolete, decrepit nature.

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* TheAllegedCar: USS ''Stingray'', a ''Balao''-class fleet submarine, was the fastest, quietest, deadliest, most advanced weapon under the sea in her prime...which was in [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece 1943]]. She was considered obsolete in by the late 50s, has been rusting on Red Lead Row since 1965, and didn't even get the GUPPY-II upgrade like many of her sisters. She was chosen to be the aggressor for the war game ''because'' of her obsolete, decrepit nature.
22nd May '16 5:37:40 AM Nohbody
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** TruthInTelevision: Sonarmen have traditionally been selected for their acute hearing. Though most modern sonar operators do their jobs by simply watching graphics on a screen, those on submarines still use headphones to physically listen to the surrounding water. Sonar himself is just a ''really'' talented Sonarman.



* RockBeatsLaser: The whole point of the film's plot is that an old diesel submarine could be a threat to US harbors - if it was crewed and commanded by people willing to play outside the rule books of more conventional submarine forces in an underwater version of guerrilla warfare. This is TruthInTelevision for modern diesel-electric subs with air-independent propulsion; not so much for a WorldWarTwo vintage submarine.

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* RockBeatsLaser: The whole point of the film's plot is that an old diesel submarine could be a threat to US harbors - if it was crewed and commanded by people willing to play outside the rule books of more conventional submarine forces in an underwater version of guerrilla warfare. This is TruthInTelevision for modern diesel-electric subs with air-independent propulsion; not so much for a WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo vintage submarine.
19th May '16 2:32:50 AM YT45
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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: When ''Stingray'' makes her first dive in 40 years down to 500 feet, [[CoolOldGuy Chief Machinist's Mate Howard]] attaches a string to the inside of the pressure hull from port to starboard. As ''Stingray's'' depth increases, the water pressure begins squeezing the hull, causing the string to sag noticeably. Howard grins at Nitro (having put up the string to demonstrate this very thing) and says...

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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: When ''Stingray'' makes her first dive in 40 years down to 500 feet, [[CoolOldGuy Chief Machinist's Mate Howard]] attaches a string to the inside of the pressure hull from port to starboard. As As ''Stingray's'' depth increases, the water pressure begins squeezing the hull, causing the string to sag noticeably. Howard grins at Nitro (having put up the string to demonstrate this very thing) and says...



* TheMountainsOfIllinois: An odd version: The Appalachians do run through Virginia, but aren't visible in any way in Norfolk, being nearly 200 miles away! Most of the film was shot in and around San Francisco Bay in California (USS ''Pampanito'', which plays USS ''Stimgray'', is a museum ship in San Francisco), where the hills are much closer to the coast.

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* TheMountainsOfIllinois: An odd version: The Appalachians do run through Virginia, but aren't visible in any way in Norfolk, being nearly 200 miles away! Most of the film was shot in and around San Francisco Bay in California (USS ''Pampanito'', which plays USS ''Stimgray'', ''Stingray'', is a museum ship in San Francisco), where the hills are much closer to the coast.
19th May '16 2:25:12 AM YT45
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* BrickJoke: When he first meets his crew, Dodge gets Stepanek to settle down by informing him that "if I throw you off, it'll be in the middle of the Atlantic." Later in the film, Dodge does in fact throw an insubordinate member of his crew off of the ''Stingray'' in the middle of the Atlantic - but it's not Stepanek, it's [[spoiler:Pascal]], and [[spoiler:he's tossed onto the waiting net of a helpful fishing boat rather than into the water]].

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* BrickJoke: When he first meets his crew, Dodge gets Stepanek to settle down by informing him that "if I throw you off, it'll be in the middle of the Atlantic." Later in the film, Dodge does in fact throw an insubordinate member of his crew off of the ''Stingray'' in the middle of the Atlantic - but it's not Stepanek, it's [[spoiler:Pascal]], and [[spoiler:he's tossed onto the waiting net of a helpful fishing boat rather than into the water]].water]], [[spoiler: and Stepanek is the one doing the tossing]].



* ComicallyMissingThePoint: When the ''Stingray'' makes its first dive down to 500 feet, Chief Engineer Howard attaches a string to the walls of the sub. As the ''Stingray's'' depth increases, the water pressure begins squeezing the hull, causing the string to sag noticeably. Howard grins at Nitro (having put up the string to demonstrate this very thing) and says...

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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: When the ''Stingray'' makes its her first dive in 40 years down to 500 feet, [[CoolOldGuy Chief Engineer Howard Machinist's Mate Howard]] attaches a string to the walls inside of the sub. As the pressure hull from port to starboard. As ''Stingray's'' depth increases, the water pressure begins squeezing the hull, causing the string to sag noticeably. Howard grins at Nitro (having put up the string to demonstrate this very thing) and says...



* TheComicallySerious: Just about the entire crew of the ''Orlando'', from Commander Knox on down. They act completely professional and serious at all times, completely unaware of [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] happening on the ''Stingray'', or the [[CrazyEnoughToWork unconventional tactics]] her crew is pulling off to elude them.

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* TheComicallySerious: Just about the entire crew of the ''Orlando'', from Commander Knox on down. They act completely professional and serious at all times, completely unaware of [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] happening on the ''Stingray'', or the [[CrazyEnoughToWork unconventional tactics]] her crew is pulling off to elude them.



* CompositeCharacter: Nitro is apparently both the ship's electrician and radio operator (in RealLife, these are separate rates). Justified in that for this mission, the ''Stingray'' really doesn't need a full-time radio operator.

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* CompositeCharacter: Nitro is apparently both the ship's boat's electrician and radio operator (in RealLife, these are separate rates). Justified in that for this mission, the ''Stingray'' really doesn't need a full-time radio operator.radioman.



* DamageControl: The ''Stingray'' ends up busting some water mains in the engine room during a risky maneuver, leading to Stepanek's BigDamnHeroes moment.

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* DamageControl: The ''Stingray'' ends up busting some water mains in the engine room during a risky maneuver, leading to Stepanek's BigDamnHeroes moment.



* FriendlyEnemy: The crew of the ''Orlando'' are just doing their best to win the wargame, same as the crew of the ''Stingray''. It's Graham that acts as the BigBad of the film.

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* FriendlyEnemy: The crew of the USS ''Orlando'' are just doing their best to win the wargame, same as the crew of the USS ''Stingray''. It's Graham that acts as the BigBad of the film. Even Commander Knox, who's excessively straight-laced and refused to recommend Dodge for promotion, is not a bad guy at all.



* GoshDangItToHeck: Commander Knox

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* GoshDangItToHeck: Commander KnoxKnox. Profanity is his BerserkButton.



* HarmlessVoltage: Nitro, of course. With all the voltage he's absorbed over the years, it hardly even bothers him any more.

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* HarmlessVoltage: Nitro, of course. With all the voltage he's absorbed over the years, it hardly even bothers him any more.he's built up a considerable amount of tolerance.



* HisNameReallyIsBarkeep: Nitro's name really is Nitro -- his full name being "Michael K. Nitro" according to the filming script. He's considering "Mike" as a nickname.

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* HisNameReallyIsBarkeep: Nitro's name really is Nitro -- his full name being "Michael "Electrician's Mate 2nd Class Michael K. Nitro" according to the filming script. He's considering "Mike" as a nickname.



* HotSubOnSubAction: The ''Stingray'' has to make the final stage of their run on Norfolk with the ''Orlando'' in hot pursuit.
* HyperAwareness: Sonar Technician 2nd Class E.T. "Sonar" Lovacelli can hear how much change is dropped on a nearby submarine. And a crewman eating an Oreo on another deck. And a couple of lobsters dukin' it out. This IS helped by his listening equipment, but it takes more than fancy gear to point out that someone dropped "forty-five cents. A quarter... and two dimes", after jerking as if an explosion went off in his ear after the coins hit the deck.
* IndestructibleEdible: The can of Deviled Ham mentioned in ItTastesLikeFeet.

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* HotSubOnSubAction: The ''Stingray'' has to make the final stage of their run on Norfolk with the ''Orlando'' in hot pursuit.
* HyperAwareness: Sonar Technician Sonarman 2nd Class E.T. "Sonar" Lovacelli can hear how much change is dropped on a nearby submarine. And a crewman eating an Oreo on another deck. And a couple of lobsters dukin' it out. This IS helped by his listening equipment, but it takes more than fancy gear to point out that someone dropped "forty-five cents. A quarter... and two dimes", after jerking as if an explosion went off in his ear after the coins hit the deck.
** TruthInTelevision: Sonarmen have traditionally been selected for their acute hearing. Though most modern sonar operators do their jobs by simply watching graphics on a screen, those on submarines still use headphones to physically listen to the surrounding water. Sonar himself is just a ''really'' talented Sonarman.
* IndestructibleEdible: The can of Deviled Ham mentioned in ItTastesLikeFeet.the galley. It's been on that shelf since Korea. It expired in 1966. It still tastes like cream corn...



* InterserviceRivalry: Downplayed, but when R.J. sings the Army's then-current jingle ("Be all that you can be") while participating in one of Dodge's CrazyEnoughToWork plans, Dodge is visibly annoyed. ''In the middle of a storm.''

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* InterserviceRivalry: Downplayed, but when R.J. sings the Army's then-current recruiting jingle ("Be all that you can be") while participating in one of Dodge's CrazyEnoughToWork plans, Dodge is visibly annoyed. ''In the middle of a storm.''



** Admiral Winslow.
* LethalChef: Buckman's kitchen practices are probably what landed him on the Stingray in the first place; the most glaring things we hear about are a fingernail and band-aid in the food on two consecutive days (the band-aid was holding the fingernail on, you see,) and then there's the deviled ham...
* MeaningfulName: Lt. Lake, who's never done an actual dive, having only been on a simulator—think of anyone who's only had training experience (in anything) in a lake, who suddenly has to face the open ocean.

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** Admiral Winslow.
Winslow. It's Creator/RipTorn for Christ's sake!
* LethalChef: Buckman's kitchen practices are probably what landed him on the Stingray ''Stingray'' in the first place; the most glaring things we hear about are a fingernail and band-aid in the food on two consecutive days (the band-aid was holding the fingernail on, you see,) and then there's the deviled ham...
* MeaningfulName: Lt. Lake, who's never done an actual dive, having only been on a simulator—think of anyone who's only had training experience (in (if anything) in a lake, who suddenly has to face the open ocean.



* TheMountainsOfIllinois: An odd version: The Appalachians do run through Virginia, but aren't visible in any way in Norfolk, being nearly 200 miles away! Parts of the film were apparently filmed in the San Francisco Bay area in California, where the hills are much closer to the coast.

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* TheMountainsOfIllinois: An odd version: The Appalachians do run through Virginia, but aren't visible in any way in Norfolk, being nearly 200 miles away! Parts Most of the film were apparently filmed was shot in the and around San Francisco Bay area in California, California (USS ''Pampanito'', which plays USS ''Stimgray'', is a museum ship in San Francisco), where the hills are much closer to the coast.



* NoodleIncident: The Murmansk brushing incident. Although it's known that in RealLife there have been such incidents (which generally are the end of the responsible CO's career), the details of the one involving Dodge are mostly unknown; all that's known is that he was an Ensign at the time (meaning he likely was not in commmand), got blindingly drunk afterwards, and received his EmbarrassingTattoo while inebriated.

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* NoodleIncident: The Murmansk brushing incident. Although it's known that in RealLife there have been such incidents (which generally are the end of the responsible CO's career), the details of the one involving Dodge are mostly unknown; all that's known is that he was an Ensign at the time (meaning he likely was not in commmand), command, though he was probably running the tactical plot and miscalculated the range to the Russian sub, leading to the collision), got blindingly drunk afterwards, and received his EmbarrassingTattoo while inebriated.



* OfficeGolf: Early in the film, Dodge gets chewed out by his captain for playing golf off the top of their sub as it was sailing into port. He actually does rather well, hitting a long shot onto shore and getting very close to the hole.

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* OfficeGolf: Early in the film, Dodge gets chewed out by his captain for playing golf off the top weather deck of their sub USS ''Orlando'' as it she was sailing into port. He actually does rather well, hitting a long shot onto shore and getting very close to the hole.



** A crusty old Chief Engineer who's actually a civilian contractor (because no active Naval personnel is familiar with a ''Balao''-class engine system).

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** A crusty old Chief Engineer Machinist's Mate who's actually retired and working as a civilian contractor (because no active Naval personnel is familiar with a ''Balao''-class engine system).



*** Oh, he doesn't hear ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial everything]]''. And don't worry, he's very trustworthy...



** A former U.S. Naval Academy basketball player who choked on his Big Game.

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** A former U.S. Naval Academy basketball player who choked on his Big Game.Game, flunked out, and wound up as an enlisted Seaman.



** A cigar chomping chef of questionable culinary skill and personal hygiene.

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** A cigar chomping chef of questionable culinary skill and even-more-questionable personal hygiene.



** Money exchanged hands aboard the ''Orlando'' right after the climax of the film, between Captain Knox (CO of the ''Orlando'') and his XO.[[note]]eXecutive Officer[[/note]]

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** Money exchanged changes hands aboard the ''Orlando'' right after the climax of the film, between Captain Knox (CO of the ''Orlando'') and his XO.[[note]]eXecutive Officer[[/note]]



** When the ''Stingray'' is trying to avoid detection by the ''Orlando'' earlier in the exercise, they're doing well in hiding until Buckman [[ToiletHumor rips a massive fart]] that the Orlando's sonar operator says almost sounds like an explosion.

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** When the ''Stingray'' is trying to avoid detection by the ''Orlando'' earlier in the exercise, they're doing well in hiding until Buckman [[ToiletHumor rips a massive fart]] that the Orlando's sonar operator says almost sounds like an explosion.



** However, it's successfully inverted by the ''Stingray'' as well. At one point, being hunted by sonar, Dodge leads his crew in a drunken singalong. However, combined with some modifications to their profile and a howling storm, they convince the opposing sub that [[HiddenInPlainSight they're just a trawler full of drunk fishermen]]. It also helps that the ''Orlando'' crew is unaware that their opponent is a diesel sub. When Knox's sonar technician tells him he heard a diesel engine, Knox immediately dismisses the possibility of a diesel submarine.

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** However, it's successfully inverted by the ''Stingray'' as well. At one point, being hunted by sonar, Dodge leads his crew in a drunken singalong. However, combined with some modifications to their profile and a howling storm, they convince the opposing sub that [[HiddenInPlainSight they're just a trawler full of drunk fishermen]]. It also helps that the ''Orlando'' crew is unaware that their opponent is a diesel sub. When Knox's sonar technician tells him he heard a diesel engine, Knox immediately dismisses the possibility of a diesel submarine.



* WalkThePlank: What the crew of the ''Stingray'' makes [[spoiler:Pascal]] do when he pushes them too far. [[spoiler:A fishing boat is in on the joke and catches him in a strung net for laughs.]]

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* WalkThePlank: What the crew of the USS ''Stingray'' makes [[spoiler:Pascal]] do when he pushes them too far. [[spoiler:A fishing boat is in on the joke and catches him in a strung net for laughs.]]



** The food stores aboard the ''Stingray'' date, in at least one case, back to UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar.
--->'''Pascall:''' Goddammit, Buckman, this stuff's been on the ''Stingray'' since Korea! This can expired in 1966!\\

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** The food stores aboard the ''Stingray'' in ''Stingray'''s galley date, in at least one case, back to UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar.
--->'''Pascall:''' --->'''Pascal:''' Goddammit, Buckman, this stuff's been on the ''Stingray'' since Korea! This can expired in 1966!\\
19th May '16 1:53:31 AM YT45
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''Down Periscope'' is a 1996 comedy movie starring KelseyGrammer as Lieutenant Commander Thomas Dodge of the United States Navy. Though considered by many to be a talented officer, he has been denied command of his own submarine twice for his... [[MilitaryMaverick cavalier command style]]. A third denial will forever bar him from commanding a submarine.

But Vice Admiral Winslow has a feeling that summarily dismissing an officer like Dodge would be a bad thing, and has come up with a method of proving it -- a war game which pits the USS ''Stingray'', one of the Navy's last remaining diesel submarines, against the East Coast nuclear navy. Dodge's assignment -- simulate a terrorist strike against Charleston and Norfolk.

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''Down Periscope'' is a 1996 comedy movie starring KelseyGrammer as Lieutenant Commander Thomas Dodge USN, Executive Officer of the United States Navy.''Los Angeles''-class nuclear-powered fast attack submarine USS ''Orlando''. Though considered by many to be a talented officer, he has been denied command of his own submarine twice for his... [[MilitaryMaverick cavalier command style]]. A third denial will forever bar him from commanding a submarine.

But Vice Admiral Winslow has a feeling that summarily dismissing an officer like Dodge would be a bad thing, and has come up with a method of proving it -- a war game which pits the USS ''Stingray'', one of the Navy's last remaining diesel submarines, submarines still owned by the US Navy (and long since forgotten in the Mothball Fleet at that), against the East Coast nuclear navy. Dodge's assignment -- simulate a terrorist strike against Charleston and Norfolk.



* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: There's plenty of stuff that has those actually familiar with the RealLife US Submarine Service laughing not only at the intentional comedy that's a surprisingly accurate reflection of submariners, but the unintentional variety as well. While some of the inaccuracies are due to writer ignorance, and some are due to RuleOfCool or convenience to the plot, some of the issues surrounding the USS ''Orlando'' can be chalked up to the film production staff not having access to classified USN information.
* TheAllegedCar: The Stingray. It was chosen for the war game ''because'' of its obsolete, decrepit nature.
* ArtisticLicenseShips: During the final chase, the ''Orlando'' surfaces (using stock footage from ''Film/TheHuntForRedOctober'') to chase the surfaced ''Stingray''. In RealLife, while diesel submarines are much faster when surfaced, nuclear-power subs are actually slower. A real nuclear-powered sub would never surface when chasing someone.

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* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: There's plenty of stuff that has those actually familiar with the RealLife US Navy's Submarine Service laughing not only at the intentional comedy that's a surprisingly accurate reflection of submariners, but the unintentional variety as well. While some of the inaccuracies are due to writer ignorance, and some are due to RuleOfCool or convenience to the plot, some of the issues surrounding the USS ''Orlando'' can be chalked up to the film production staff not having access to classified USN information.
* TheAllegedCar: The Stingray. It USS ''Stingray'', a ''Balao''-class fleet submarine, was the fastest, quietest, deadliest, most advanced weapon under the sea in her prime...which was in [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece 1943]]. She was considered obsolete in the late 50s, has been rusting on Red Lead Row since 1965, and didn't even get the GUPPY-II upgrade like many of her sisters. She was chosen to be the aggressor for the war game ''because'' of its her obsolete, decrepit nature.
* ArtisticLicenseShips: During the final chase, the ''Orlando'' surfaces (using stock footage from ''Film/TheHuntForRedOctober'') to chase the surfaced ''Stingray''. In RealLife, while diesel submarines are much faster when surfaced, nuclear-power subs are actually slower. A real nuclear-powered sub would never surface when chasing someone.
26th Feb '16 5:45:59 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* TheMutiny: Lt. Pascal, way too by-the-book for this RagtagBunchOfMisfits, eventually decides to "relieve the captain of his duties" [[TheAntiMutiny after Dodge ignores both Rear Admiral Graham's orders]] and Pascal's advice to follow them. However, as Dodge secretly had orders from a higher-ranking admiral, Pascal's move was a classic case of mutiny. As for how well it worked, see above under DidntThinkThisThrough.

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* TheMutiny: Lt. Pascal, way too by-the-book for this RagtagBunchOfMisfits, eventually decides to "relieve the captain of his duties" [[TheAntiMutiny [[AntiMutiny after Dodge ignores both Rear Admiral Graham's orders]] and Pascal's advice to follow them. However, as Dodge secretly had orders from a higher-ranking admiral, Pascal's move was a classic case of mutiny. As for how well it worked, see above under DidntThinkThisThrough.
5th Oct '15 11:40:32 AM ChronoLegion
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Lt. Commander Dodge's threat: "If I throw you off, it'll be in the middle of the Atlantic." The only difference between when he said it and when he finally does it is the person to whom he speaks. [[spoiler: He says it to Stepanek, but he does it to Pascal.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Lt. Commander Dodge's threat: "If I throw you off, it'll be in the middle of the Atlantic." The only difference between when he said it and when he finally does it is the person to whom he speaks. [[spoiler: He says it to Stepanek, but he does it to Pascal. In fact, it's Stepanek who ends up doing the throwing.]]
5th Oct '15 10:35:21 AM JoieDeCombat
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* TheComicallySerious: Just about the entire crew of the ''Orlando''. They act completely professional and serious at all times, completely unaware of [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] happening on the ''Stingray'', or the [[CrazyEnoughToWork unconventional tactics]] her crew is pulling off to elude them.

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* TheComicallySerious: Just about the entire crew of the ''Orlando''.''Orlando'', from Commander Knox on down. They act completely professional and serious at all times, completely unaware of [[HilarityEnsues ensuing hilarity]] happening on the ''Stingray'', or the [[CrazyEnoughToWork unconventional tactics]] her crew is pulling off to elude them.
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