History Film / Dogma

21st Jun '17 10:48:07 AM NWolfman
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** The origins of the Mooby franchise, as related by Loki, include allusions to MickeyMouse (the bi-coastal theme parks), UsefulNotes/McDonalds (the fast food restaurants), and various doll lines for little girls like {{Franchise/Barbie}} and Franchise/MyLittlePony (whose creators are mostly known only to fans of the respective franchises).

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** The origins of the Mooby franchise, as related by Loki, include allusions to MickeyMouse (the bi-coastal theme parks), UsefulNotes/McDonalds (the fast food restaurants), Franchise/BarneyAndFriends (created by a school teacher) and various doll lines for little girls like {{Franchise/Barbie}} and Franchise/MyLittlePony (whose creators are mostly known only to fans of the respective franchises).
3rd Jun '17 6:31:28 AM Damar
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* DirtyCoward: Azrael is considered this for not taking part in the conflict between God and Lucifer because he was a Muse despite other Muses fighting, causing him to be cast from Heaven along with the actual traitors. Even Jay is disgusted by the reveal.
21st May '17 11:37:26 AM nombretomado
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Creator/KevinSmith decided to take TheViewAskewniverse into the realm of religion with '''''Dogma'''''. May God have mercy on our souls.

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Creator/KevinSmith decided to take TheViewAskewniverse Film/TheViewAskewniverse into the realm of religion with '''''Dogma'''''. May God have mercy on our souls.
21st May '17 11:37:20 AM nombretomado
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[[JayAndSilentBob Jay and Silent Bob]] turn up as "prophets" sent to guide Bethany, and the trio later finds allies in disgruntled apostle [[Creator/ChrisRock Rufus]] and muse-turned-stripper [[Creator/SalmaHayek Serendipity]]--but even with God's blessing on their side, the group's mission grows more difficult thanks to someone working behind the scenes to ensure the absolution of Bartleby and Loki...

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[[JayAndSilentBob [[Film/TheViewAskewniverse Jay and Silent Bob]] turn up as "prophets" sent to guide Bethany, and the trio later finds allies in disgruntled apostle [[Creator/ChrisRock Rufus]] and muse-turned-stripper [[Creator/SalmaHayek Serendipity]]--but even with God's blessing on their side, the group's mission grows more difficult thanks to someone working behind the scenes to ensure the absolution of Bartleby and Loki...
20th May '17 6:21:08 AM NWolfman
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** [[spoiler:On the DVD Commentary, Kevin Smith states that an early draft of the script [[http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/splaylib/Screenplay-Dogma.pdf (which you can read here--second to last page)]] has God saying "I have one word for you. Just one. [[Film/TheGraduate Plastics.]]"... and be met with everyone's head exploding.]]

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** [[spoiler:On the DVD Commentary, Kevin Smith states that an early draft of the script [[http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/splaylib/Screenplay-Dogma.pdf (which you can read here--second to last page)]] has God saying "I answering Bethany's question "Why are we here?" with "[[Film/TheGraduate I have one word for you. Just one. [[Film/TheGraduate Plastics.]]"... and be met with everyone's head exploding.]]
14th May '17 7:40:22 PM NWolfman
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-->'''Serendipity''': [[Music/ElvisPresley Elvis]] was an artist. But that didn't stop him from joining the service in time of war. And that's why he's The King, and you're a schmuck.[[Note]]This is slightly [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccurate]]. Elvis was drafted in peacetime.[[/note]]

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-->'''Serendipity''': [[Music/ElvisPresley Elvis]] was an artist. But that didn't stop him from joining the service in time of war. And that's why he's The King, and you're a schmuck.[[Note]]This [[note]]This is slightly [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccurate]]. Elvis was drafted in peacetime.[[/note]]
9th May '17 10:47:20 PM Fireblood
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* ArtisticLicenseReligion:
** The concept of Plenary Indulgence is portrayed completely wrong. Multiple characters who ''should'' know better (angels and a cardinal) describe it as a clean slate, and the forgiveness and removal of all sins. It is not. Plenary Indulgence is the removal of the need for temporal punishments of sins that have ''already'' been forgiven. It does not remove nor wipe out a person's sins. One might argue that Bartleby and Loki failing to understand the concept properly [[FridgeBrilliance is part of the joke.]] Also, Metatron calls himself a "seraphim" and reveals two wings. The singular of "seraphim" is "seraph," and they have six wings.
** Interestingly, a lot of the film's plot runs on the fact that Azrael, through Bartleby and Loki, is ''intentionally'' exploiting loopholes and using everyone's beliefs against them. The Cardinal is using the concept of Plenary Indulgences wrong, the whole "God is infallible" idea being proved incorrect has no basis in any official teachings, and half the stated rules and consequences happened (in-universe at least) centuries after the Bible began to be written. It's a humongous BatmanGambit running on nobody being 100% in the know about what was and wasn't possible, with the only omnipotent being in existence (God his-/herself) being [[ItMakesSenseInContext stuck in a coma]]. It's entirely possible that Azrael's entire plan would have turned into a big pile of nothing anyway, with God just being mildly miffed that Bartleby and Loki were schucking God's edicts ''again'', but having some [[MercyKill sympathy]] once Loki actually got the chance to realize his wrongdoings and repent.



'''Loki:''' No, "Through the Looking-Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter," that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or, or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They, they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions out of, out of fear of some, some intangible parent figure who, who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, and says, "Do it... do it and I'll fuckin' spank you."

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'''Loki:''' No, "Through the Looking-Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter," that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or, or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They, they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following following: these faiths based on mythological figures ensures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions out of, out of fear of some, some intangible parent figure who, who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, and says, "Do it... do it and I'll fuckin' spank you."
8th May '17 12:26:09 PM NWolfman
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-->'''Serendipity''': Elvis was an artist. But that didn't stop him from joining the service in time of war. And that's why he's The King, and you're a schmuck.
** Unfortunately it also counts as CriticalResearchFailure on the part of either the writer or the character. Elvis was drafted in peacetime.

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-->'''Serendipity''': Elvis [[Music/ElvisPresley Elvis]] was an artist. But that didn't stop him from joining the service in time of war. And that's why he's The King, and you're a schmuck.
** Unfortunately it also counts as CriticalResearchFailure on the part of either the writer or the character.
schmuck.[[Note]]This is slightly [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccurate]]. Elvis was drafted in peacetime.[[/note]]



** Serendipity the Muse is adamant that she had nothing to do with ''Film/HomeAlone''. She claims that someone involved with that film made a DealWithTheDevil in order to get the grosses up.
** And who wrote it? Creator/JohnHughes.
** A little HarsherInHindsight after Hughes' death. [[invoked]]

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** Serendipity the Muse is adamant that she had nothing to do with ''Film/HomeAlone''. She claims that someone involved with that film made a DealWithTheDevil in order to get the grosses up.
** And
up (and who wrote it? Creator/JohnHughes.
** A little HarsherInHindsight after Hughes' death. [[invoked]]
Creator/JohnHughes!).



** In a deleted scene, Bartleby asks Azrael how bad Hell is. Azrael answers "They have been showing ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'' continuously for five years." What has Kevin Smith got against Creator/ChrisColumbus?

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** In a deleted scene, Bartleby asks Azrael how bad Hell is. Azrael answers "They have been showing ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'' continuously for five years." What has Kevin Smith got against Creator/ChrisColumbus?sure has it in for Creator/ChrisColumbus.
8th Mar '17 5:15:34 AM k410ren
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%%* ActuallyPrettyFunny: "I get it! 'Holey Bartender!' That's a ''great'' one!"

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%%* * ActuallyPrettyFunny: "I Just to show how [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} off]] [[TheDitz Jay]] is.
-->"I
get it! 'Holey Bartender!' That's a ''great'' one!"
15th Feb '17 1:47:54 PM skadooshbag
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** And again at the end of the credits in the DVD. [[spoiler:Jay: "So, Bethany... part black?"]]

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** And ***And again at the end of the credits in the DVD. [[spoiler:Jay: "So, Bethany... part black?"]] black?"]]
***The best part? Not only does the (real-life) Bible never actually specify Jesus's ethnicity, but the facts that Judas had to single him out with that Kiss, that His family and friends are openly amazed at just how ''mundane'' a person he seemed (aside from the sinlessness and Miracles, of course) on several occasions, and the fact that he lived in the Middle-East mean that he was ''Arabic.''[[spoiler:He dies at the end, though.]]
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