History Film / BoilerRoom

20th Oct '17 1:44:51 PM Njein
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* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim: Greg the prick [[EvilCannotComprehendGood doesn't understand]] as to why Abby started dating Seth.
15th Oct '17 8:20:46 PM Njein
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Most of the JT Marlin brokers looked a bit stunned by Greg violently shoving Seth for arguing him over who gets to keep the 40th account Seth just closed, aside from him dating Abby.
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the dickweed doesn't understand why Abby chose to start dating Seth over him or what she saw in Seth. Not being a snobbish and arrogant JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Most of the JT Marlin brokers looked a bit stunned by at Greg violently shoving Seth for arguing him over who gets to keep the 40th account Seth just closed, aside from him dating Abby.
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the dickweed doesn't understand why what Abby saw in Seth or why she chose to start dating Seth over him or what she saw in Seth.him. Not being a snobbish and arrogant JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.



* JerkAss: Most of the J.T. Marlin brokers can be douches at times, but Greg tops the list. He's a rude prick to not only Seth, who was dating his girlfriend Abby, but also to his subordinates. He's also mean and condescending towards Chris and Abby at times.

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* JerkAss: Most of the J.T. Marlin brokers can be douches jerks at times, but Greg tops the list. He's a rude prick to not only Seth, who was dating his girlfriend Abby, but also to his subordinates. He's also mean and condescending towards Chris and Abby at times.



* MisaimedFandom: InUniverse. There's a scene where the company guys are having a party and watching Gordon Gekko's introduction from ''Film/WallStreet'', being such big fans that they start quoting the entire thing verbatim. Gekko is in fact a very CorruptCorporateExecutive who would throw thousands of people on the street for profit and ultimately goes to jail for committing securities fraud. This might be [[JustifiedTrope justified]], since the Boiler Room guys are knowingly scam artists themselves who project an honest image to the outside world.

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* MisaimedFandom: InUniverse. There's a scene where the company guys are having a party and watching Gordon Gekko's introduction from ''Film/WallStreet'', and being such big fans that of the guy, they start quoting the entire thing verbatim. Gekko is in fact actually a very CorruptCorporateExecutive who would throw thousands of people on the street for profit and ultimately goes to jail gets imprisoned for committing securities fraud. This might be [[JustifiedTrope justified]], since is a JustifiedTrope as the Boiler Room guys are knowingly scam artists scammers themselves who project an honest image to the outside world.outsiders.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:Besides realizing that J.T. Marlin is a "boiler room", Seth is horrified that he cheated a guy out of his money and family by selling him worthless shares. Ashamed of this, he decides to shut the firm down for good by cooperating with the FBI.]]

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:Besides realizing that J.T. Marlin is a "boiler room", Seth is horrified that he cheated a guy out of his money and family by selling him worthless bogus shares. Ashamed of this, he decides to shut the firm down for good by cooperating with the FBI.]]



* WhiteCollarCrime: J.T. Marlin is actually a "chop shop" boiler room running a "pump and dump" scam it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus and misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.

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* WhiteCollarCrime: J.T. Marlin is actually a "chop shop" boiler room running a "pump and dump" scam it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus and misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued but lousy shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.
12th Oct '17 3:34:16 PM Njein
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** At the end, [[spoiler:Seth manages to get out from under criminal prosecution by cooperating with the Feds, but the movie ends just as Federal agents storm J.T. Marlin after Seth walks out, leaving it ambiguous exactly what happened to Chris and the rest of the company, or if any of them got away.]]

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** At the end, [[spoiler:Seth manages to get out from under criminal prosecution by cooperating with the Feds, but the movie ends just as Federal FBI agents storm J.T. Marlin minutes after Seth walks out, leaving it ambiguous exactly what happened to Chris and the rest of the company, or if any of them got away.]]



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the dickweed doesn't understand why Abby chose to start dating Seth over him. Not being a snobbish and arrogant JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the dickweed doesn't understand why Abby chose to start dating Seth over him.him or what she saw in Seth. Not being a snobbish and arrogant JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.



* MoralMyopia: [[spoiler:In the end, Seth convinces Chris to "do one thing right" and sign a ticket sale making one schmuck client good by stealing from another anonymous buyer on the market.]]

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* MoralMyopia: [[spoiler:In the end, Seth convinces Chris to "do one thing right" and sign a ticket sale making one schmuck client good by stealing from another anonymous buyer the firm on the market.]]



* NouveauRiche: When Seth visits Jim's uber-spendy Mansion, he finds it barely furnished, with a tanning bed filling the elegant dining room; Seth internally remarks that Jim obviously has no idea what to do with his expensive house.

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* NouveauRiche: When Seth visits Jim's uber-spendy Mansion, mansion, he finds it barely furnished, with a tanning bed filling the elegant dining room; Seth internally remarks that Jim obviously has no idea what to do with his expensive house.



-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" the answer is zero. You don't like the idea, don't pick up a single share! But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.

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-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" the answer is zero. You don't like the idea, don't pick up a single share! But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? "No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? returns?" ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying ''lying'' to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.
8th Oct '17 6:40:34 PM Njein
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Most of the JT Marlin brokers looked a bit stunned by Greg violently shoving Seth for arguing him over who gets to keep the 40th account Seth just closed, aside from him dating Abby.



* FamilyHonor: Marty is constantly worried that his son's illegal living-room casino will endanger his own career as a federal judge. [[spoiler:This is further exacerbated when he finds out that J.T. Marlin is actually a "pump and dump" boiler room it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus or misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.]]

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* FamilyHonor: Marty is constantly worried that his son's illegal living-room casino will endanger his own career as a federal judge. [[spoiler:This is further exacerbated when he finds out that J.T. Marlin is actually a "pump and dump" boiler room it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price stock value of stocks of expired or fake phony companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus or misleading false statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme and "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, shares once it reaches a certain point, which causes the stock price falls to fall and the investors to lose their money.]]



* PretenderDiss: At one point, a group of J.T. Marlin stockbrokers run into a group from J.P. Morgan, who proceed to mock them for being small fish and not big players in the financial world.

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* PretenderDiss: At one point, a group of the J.T. Marlin stockbrokers run into a group from J.P. Morgan, who proceed to mock them for being small fish and not big players in the financial world.



-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" the answer is zero. You don't like the idea, don't pick up a single share! But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is, who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.

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-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" the answer is zero. You don't like the idea, don't pick up a single share! But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is, is who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.
5th Oct '17 12:02:46 PM Njein
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: [[spoiler:After finding out that Seth lied to him about JT Marlin, Marty asks him if he actually made his clients any money or is he actually stealing from them. Seth can only look down in shame.]]
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: [[spoiler:At the end of the film, Seth browbeats Chris into signing a sell order for a client so he can make his money back. But there's one BIG problem: all stock and bond transactions have an SEC-mandated "settling" period of three days before the transaction becomes official. Since Seth knows the FBI is arriving within the hour and the FBI's first act upon arriving will be to freeze all transactions, the sell ticket would never go through in real life. It would be a completely meaningless gesture.]]

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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: [[spoiler:After finding out that Seth lied to him about JT Marlin, Marty asks him if he actually made his clients any money or is he actually stealing from them. Seth can only look down in shame.]]
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: [[spoiler:At the end of the film, Seth browbeats Chris into signing a sell order for a client so he can make his money back. But there's one BIG problem: all stock and bond securities transactions have an a SEC-mandated "settling" period of three days before the transaction becomes official. Since Seth knows the FBI is arriving within the hour and the FBI's first act upon arriving will be to freeze all transactions, the sell ticket would never go through in real life. It would be a completely meaningless gesture.]]



* JerkAss: Most of the J.T. Marlin brokers can be douches at times, but Greg tops the list. He's a rude prick to not only Seth, who was dating his girlfriend Abby, but also to his co-workers. He's also mean and condescending towards Chris and Abby at times.

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* JerkAss: Most of the J.T. Marlin brokers can be douches at times, but Greg tops the list. He's a rude prick to not only Seth, who was dating his girlfriend Abby, but also to his co-workers.subordinates. He's also mean and condescending towards Chris and Abby at times.



** Marty also gives one to Seth after [[spoiler:finding out that J.T. Marlin is actually a boiler room]]:
-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You lied to all of us. He told me about JT Marlin it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me,]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion how many?]]'' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion make them any money at all?]]'' ''[Seth can only look down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're ''destroying'' people's lives.]]

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** Marty also gives one to Seth after [[spoiler:finding out that J.T. Marlin is actually a boiler room]]:
-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You '''You lied to all of us. us.''' He told me about JT Marlin it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me,]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion how many?]]'' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion make them any money at all?]]'' ''[Seth can only look down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're ''destroying'' people's lives.]]
24th Sep '17 6:47:15 AM Njein
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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the douchebag doesn't understand what Abby saw in Seth or why she chose to start dating Seth. Not being a snobbish JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the douchebag dickweed doesn't understand what why Abby saw in Seth or why she chose to start dating Seth. Seth over him. Not being a snobbish and arrogant JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.



* HateSink: Greg, as he's a snooty JerkAss towards not only Seth, but also towards Chris and Abby at times.



* JerkAss: Greg, who is a prick to everyone who works for him, but especially towards Seth, who is dating his old girlfriend Abby. He also acts as a douche towards Chris and Abby as well.

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* JerkAss: Greg, who is Most of the J.T. Marlin brokers can be douches at times, but Greg tops the list. He's a rude prick to everyone who works for him, but especially towards not only Seth, who is was dating his old girlfriend Abby. He Abby, but also acts as a douche to his co-workers. He's also mean and condescending towards Chris and Abby as well.at times.
21st Sep '17 4:48:53 PM Njein
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: [[spoiler:After finding out that Seth lied to him about JT Marlin, Marty asks him if he actually made his clients any money or is he actually stealing from them. Seth can only look down in shame.]]



** There's an alternate take on this in the unused ending: [[spoiler:Seth makes the same deal with the Feds and leaves the building when a customer whose money he stole pulls up in his car with and walks in with a concealed gun. He misses Seth himself, but it's not clear if he went on a shooting spree at J.T Marlin after their brief run-in.]]

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** There's an alternate take on this in the unused ending: [[spoiler:Seth makes the same deal with the Feds and leaves the building building, when a customer whose money he stole pulls up in his car with and walks in with a concealed gun. He misses Seth himself, but it's not clear if he went on a shooting spree at J.T Marlin after their brief run-in.]]



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the douchebag is unable to understand why Abby, his old girlfriend, chose to start dating Seth over him. Apparently, not being a snobbish JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Greg the douchebag is unable to doesn't understand what Abby saw in Seth or why Abby, his old girlfriend, she chose to start dating Seth over him. Apparently, not Seth. Not being a snobbish JerkAss towards others doesn't register in his head.



* HeelRealization[=/=]MyGodWhatHaveIDone[=/=]NotWhatISignedOnFor: Seth [[spoiler:slowly realizes that not only the stock he's selling is bogus, but J.T. Marlin has lined up other office space to use if/when they're busted. This eventually forces him to cooperate with the FBI in exchange for federal immunity.]]
* TheInformant: [[spoiler:The FBI offers Seth federal immunity if he agrees to testify against J.T. Marlin once all the suspects are brought into court, and threatens to involve Marty in order to assure Seth's cooperation. Seth asserts that he will testify against the firm and provide strong evidence of their illegal practices, but only if his father is not dragged into the case. He and the agents come to an agreement on this, with Seth being kept overnight only to return to work the next day and make copies of investment files onto a floppy disk to use as evidence.]]

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* HeelRealization[=/=]MyGodWhatHaveIDone[=/=]NotWhatISignedOnFor: HeelRealization[=/=]NotWhatISignedOnFor: Seth [[spoiler:slowly realizes that not only the stock he's selling is bogus, but J.T. Marlin has lined up other office space to use if/when they're busted. This eventually forces him to cooperate with the FBI in exchange for federal immunity.]]
* TheInformant: [[spoiler:The FBI offers Seth federal immunity if he agrees to testify against J.T. Marlin once all the suspects are brought into court, aressted, and threatens to involve Marty in order to assure Seth's cooperation. But Seth asserts that he will testify against the firm and only provide strong evidence of their illegal practices, but only practices if his father is not dragged into the case. He and the agents come to an agreement on this, with Seth being kept overnight only and allowed to return to work the next day and so he could make copies of investment files onto a floppy disk to use be used as evidence.]]



* MarsAndVenusGenderContrast: Greg explains to Seth that the firm ''never'' sells to women as they will constantly complain nag the brokers over the stock's performance. WordOfGod (via the DVD commentary) states it's also because men are inherently bigger gamblers than women.

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* MarsAndVenusGenderContrast: Greg explains to Seth that the firm ''never'' sells to women as they will constantly complain nag pester the brokers over the stock's performance. WordOfGod (via the DVD commentary) states it's also because men are inherently bigger gamblers than women.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:Besides realizing that J.T. Marlin is a "boiler room", Seth is horrified that he cheated a guy out of his money and family by selling him worthless shares. Ashamed of this, he decides to shut the firm down for good by cooperating with the FBI.]]



-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You lied to all of us. He told me about JT Marlin it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me, how many? All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you make them any money at all?]] ''[Seth doesn't respond and looks down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're ''destroying'' people's lives.]]

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-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You lied to all of us. He told me about JT Marlin it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me, me,]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion how many? many?]]'' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you you]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion make them any money at all?]] all?]]'' ''[Seth doesn't respond and looks can only look down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're ''destroying'' people's lives.]]
17th Sep '17 10:15:16 AM Njein
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: [[spoiler: At the end of the film, Seth browbeats Chris into signing a sell order for Harry Reynard so he can make his money back. But there's one BIG problem: all stock and bond transactions have an SEC-mandated "settling" period of three days before the transaction becomes official. Since Seth knows the FBI is arriving within the hour and the FBI's first act upon arriving will be to freeze all transactions, the sell ticket would never go through in real life. It would be a completely meaningless gesture.]]

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: [[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At the end of the film, Seth browbeats Chris into signing a sell order for Harry Reynard a client so he can make his money back. But there's one BIG problem: all stock and bond transactions have an SEC-mandated "settling" period of three days before the transaction becomes official. Since Seth knows the FBI is arriving within the hour and the FBI's first act upon arriving will be to freeze all transactions, the sell ticket would never go through in real life. It would be a completely meaningless gesture.]]



* CaptainErsatz: In-universe, J.T. Marlin has a similar-sounding name to the much bigger and more reputable J.P. Morgan. Lampshaded when some J.P. Morgan brokers have a confrontation with Seth and his coworkers.

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* CaptainErsatz: In-universe, In-universe. J.T. Marlin has a similar-sounding name to the much bigger and more reputable J.P. Morgan. Lampshaded when some J.P. Morgan brokers have a confrontation with Seth and his coworkers.



* FamilyHonor: Marty is constantly worried that his son's illegal living-room casino will endanger his own career as a federal judge. [[spoiler:This is further exacerbated when he finds out that J.T. Marlin is actually a "pump and dump" boiler room - it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus or misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.]]

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* FamilyHonor: Marty is constantly worried that his son's illegal living-room casino will endanger his own career as a federal judge. [[spoiler:This is further exacerbated when he finds out that J.T. Marlin is actually a "pump and dump" boiler room - it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus or misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.]]



* TheInformant: [[spoiler: The FBI offer Seth federal immunity if he agrees to testify against J.T. Marlin once all the suspects are brought into court, and threaten to involve Marty in order to assure Seth's cooperation. Seth asserts that he will testify against the firm and provide strong evidence of their illegal practices, but only if his father is not dragged into the case. He and the agents come to an agreement on this, with Seth being kept overnight only to return to work the next day and make copies of investment files onto a floppy disk to use as evidence.]]
* JerkAss: Greg, who is a prick to everyone who works for him, but especially towards Seth who is dating his old girlfriend Abby. He also acts as a douche towards Chris and Abby as well.
* LonelyBachelorPad: After work a couple of the guys from J.T. Marlin all get together at the house of one of their senior brokers, which is a huge, almost completely empty domicile aside from a tanning bed and a big flatscreen TV. Seth even asks one of his colleagues if the owner just moved in, but is informed that he's actually been living there for months.
* MarsAndVenusGenderContrast: Greg explains to Seth that the firm ''never'' sells to women as they will constantly complain to and annoy the brokers over the stock's performance. WordOfGod (via the DVD commentary) states it's also because men are inherently bigger gamblers than women.

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* TheInformant: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The FBI offer offers Seth federal immunity if he agrees to testify against J.T. Marlin once all the suspects are brought into court, and threaten threatens to involve Marty in order to assure Seth's cooperation. Seth asserts that he will testify against the firm and provide strong evidence of their illegal practices, but only if his father is not dragged into the case. He and the agents come to an agreement on this, with Seth being kept overnight only to return to work the next day and make copies of investment files onto a floppy disk to use as evidence.]]
* JerkAss: Greg, who is a prick to everyone who works for him, but especially towards Seth Seth, who is dating his old girlfriend Abby. He also acts as a douche towards Chris and Abby as well.
* LonelyBachelorPad: After work work, a couple of the guys from J.T. Marlin all get together at the house of one of their senior brokers, which is a huge, almost completely empty domicile aside from a tanning bed and a big flatscreen TV. Seth even asks one of his colleagues if the owner just moved in, but is informed that he's actually been living there for months.
* MarsAndVenusGenderContrast: Greg explains to Seth that the firm ''never'' sells to women as they will constantly complain to and annoy nag the brokers over the stock's performance. WordOfGod (via the DVD commentary) states it's also because men are inherently bigger gamblers than women.



* MissedHimByThatMuch: In an alternate ending for the movie, a guy that Seth cheated out of his money goes to the J.T. Marlin offices with a gun to get his revenge. He pulls up in the parking lot just when Seth himself is about to leave the company for his own reasons, and they bump into each other without recognizing the other person.

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* MissedHimByThatMuch: In [[spoiler:In an alternate ending for the movie, a guy that Seth cheated out of his money goes to the J.T. Marlin offices office with a gun to get his revenge. He pulls up in the parking lot just when Seth himself is about to leave the company for his own reasons, and they bump into each other without recognizing the other person.]]



-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" - that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" - that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" - the answer is zero. You don't like the idea; don't pick up a single share. But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" - Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that - dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow - bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is, who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.

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-->'''Jim Young''': Goddamn it, you fucking guys! I'm gonna keep this short, OK? You passed your Sevens a month ago. Seth's the only one that's opened the necessary 40 accounts for his team leader. When I was a junior broker, I did it in 26 days. Okay? You're not sending out press packets anymore. None of this "Debbie the Time-Life operator" bullshit. So get on the phones! It's time to get to work! Get off your ''ass''! Move around! Motion creates emotion! I remember one time I had this guy call me up, wanted to pitch me. Right? Wanted to sell me stock, so I let him. I got every fucking rebuttal out of this guy, kept him on the phone for an hour and half. Towards the end, I started asking him buying questions like, "What's the firm minimum?" - that's a buying question. Right there, that guy's gotta take me down. It's not like I asked him "What's your 800 number?" - that's a fuck-off question. I was giving him a run, and he blew it, okay, to a question like, "What is the firm minimum?" - the answer is zero. You don't like the idea; idea, don't pick up a single share. share! But this putz is telling me, you know, "Uh, 100 shares" - Wrong answer! No! '''You have to be closing all the time!''' And be aggressive. Learn how to push. Talk to them. Ask them questions. Ask them rhetorical questions! It doesn't matter. Anything. Just get a "yes" out of 'em! "If you're drowning and I throw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down." Ask them how they'd like to see 30, 40% returns. What are they gonna say: No? Fuck you? I don't wanna see those returns? ''[some of the trainees snicker]'' Stop laughing. It's not funny. If you can't learn how to close, you better start thinking about another career. And I am deadly serious about that - dead fucking serious! And have your rebuttals ready. A guy says call me tomorrow - bullshit! Somebody tells you that they got money problems about buying 200 shares is lying to you. You know what I say to them? I say: "Hey look, man. Tell me you don't like my firm. Tell me you don't like my idea. Tell me you don't like my fucking necktie. But don't tell me you can't put together 2,500 bucks." And there is no such thing as a no-sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client some stock, or he sells you on a reason he can't. Either way, a sale is made. The only question is, who's gonna close? You or him? And be relentless. That's it. I'm done.



-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You lied to all of us. He told me about JT Marlin - it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me, how many? All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you make them any money at all?]] ''[Seth doesn't respond and looks down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're destroying people's lives.]]

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-->'''Marty''': [[spoiler:Hey. I spoke to Howard Goldberg over at Prudential. You lied again, you unbelievable [[PrecisionFStrike piece of shit]]. You lied to all of us. He told me about JT Marlin - it's a chop shop, Seth. You've been selling their shit all this time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion How many people have you fucked over? Tell me, how many? All that bullshit about them wanting you to know how the business works. The great training program, remember? All the profits you made for your customers? Did you do anything for them, Seth? Tell me, did you make them any money at all?]] ''[Seth doesn't respond and looks down in shame]'' Oh god. I'm done with you, Seth. This is it. I've had it. I don't want to see you again. I don't want you to come to the house. I don't want you to call. This is ''worse'' than the casino, Seth. You've been stealing. Look at me. ''[Seth looks at him.]'' You're destroying ''destroying'' people's lives.]]



* WhiteCollarCrime: J.T. Marlin is actually a "chop shop" boiler room running a "pump and dump" scam - it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus and misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.

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* WhiteCollarCrime: J.T. Marlin is actually a "chop shop" boiler room running a "pump and dump" scam - it's using its brokers to artificially inflate the price of stocks of expired or fake companies (as well as speculative penny stocks) through bogus and misleading statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" (aka sell) their overvalued shares, the price falls and the investors lose their money.
8th Aug '17 7:26:28 PM kquinn0830
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* PretenderDiss: At one point, a group of J.T. Marlin stockbrokers run into a group from J.P. Morgan, who proceed to mock them for being small fish and not big players in the financial world.
19th Jul '17 6:45:14 PM jormis29
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''Boiler Room'' is a 2000 American drama film with elements of {{film noir}}, written and directed by Ben Younger, and starring Creator/GiovanniRibisi, Creator/VinDiesel, Nia Long, Creator/BenAffleck, Nicky Katt, Scott Caan, Tom Everett Scott, Ron Rifkin and Jamie Kennedy.

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''Boiler Room'' is a 2000 American drama film with elements of {{film noir}}, written and directed by Ben Younger, and starring Creator/GiovanniRibisi, Creator/VinDiesel, Nia Long, Creator/BenAffleck, Nicky Katt, Scott Caan, Tom Everett Scott, Creator/TomEverettScott, Ron Rifkin and Jamie Kennedy.
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