History Film / BenandArthur

27th Apr '17 5:32:04 PM rjd1922
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Victor. WordOfGod is that Victor actually is gay, though in complete denial about it, but the film doesn't do a very good job of making it clear.

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* AmbiguouslyGay: Victor. WordOfGod is that Victor [[ArmouredClosetGay actually is gay, though in complete denial about it, it]], but the film doesn't do a very good job of making it clear.
10th Mar '17 10:28:00 AM CJCroen1393
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* NoBisexuals: Though it's more due to bad writing than anything--Ben was married to a woman but has been having an affair with Arthur. He repeatedly insists that he's gay and was only using Tammy as a cover...despite him and Tammy being married ''for years''.
27th Jan '17 11:06:18 PM rjd1922
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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
** This should ''not'' be confused with the "Final Plan", which Victor mentions ''after'' he learns that Ben and Arthur did not ingest the potion but ''before'' he is expelled from the church, meaning that there would have been no incentive to [[spoiler: kill Arthur]] during that span of time.

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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath ([[KilledOffForReal permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
** This should ''not'' be confused with the "Final Plan", which Victor mentions ''after'' he learns that Ben and Arthur did not ingest the potion but ''before'' he is expelled from the church, meaning that there would have been no incentive to [[spoiler: kill [[spoiler:kill Arthur]] during that span of time.



* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''

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* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}.''
18th Nov '16 8:01:57 AM crazysamaritan
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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt]], but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]

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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt]], attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
28th May '16 6:53:28 AM OlfinBedwere
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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalize gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper-at least at the time that the film was made-would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.

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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalize gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper-at newspaper -- at least at the time that the film was made-would made -- would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released made a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.
10th Aug '15 1:27:33 PM VoxAquila
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* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''
20th May '15 5:42:02 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
20th May '15 5:35:58 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
22nd Mar '15 10:31:51 AM CJCroen1393
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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins would be doing the opposite-putting it in great danger of damnation.

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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins would be doing the opposite-putting it in great danger of damnation. Possibly justified in this case, seeing as Victor seems to have completely lost his mind at that point, so thinking logically wouldn't really be his strong suit.


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* AxCrazy: Victor wasn't really the pinnacle of sanity beforehand, but by the end of the film he completely loses it. Heck, even ''[[{{Jerkass}} Arthur]]'' rightfully calls him out on it!
-->'''Victor:''' Did you know that they ''threw me out of the church!?''\\
'''Arthur:''' Well maybe it's because you're some crazy psychotic f*ck!


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* {{Jerkass}}: Arthur. He's lazy, tactless, inconsiderate and obnoxious. Particularly showcasing this is when Victor's hitman injures Ben and Arthur takes him to the hospital. When they get back home, Arthur ''makes Ben sleep on the couch rather than let him sleep in the bed''. [[DesignatedHero Did we mention that Arthur's supposed to be the hero of this picture?]]
8th Feb '15 8:15:03 AM CJCroen1393
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* WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou: Ben punches Arthur for accusing him of preferring his bike over him. He then tells him that it will "teach him not to say stupid things". The implications behind this line are...''[[DomesticAbuse disturbing]]'' to say the least.
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