History Film / BenandArthur

10th Aug '15 1:27:33 PM VoxAquila
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* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''
20th May '15 5:42:02 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
20th May '15 5:35:58 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
22nd Mar '15 10:31:51 AM CJCroen1393
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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins would be doing the opposite-putting it in great danger of damnation.

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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins would be doing the opposite-putting it in great danger of damnation. Possibly justified in this case, seeing as Victor seems to have completely lost his mind at that point, so thinking logically wouldn't really be his strong suit.


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* AxCrazy: Victor wasn't really the pinnacle of sanity beforehand, but by the end of the film he completely loses it. Heck, even ''[[{{Jerkass}} Arthur]]'' rightfully calls him out on it!
-->'''Victor:''' Did you know that they ''threw me out of the church!?''\\
'''Arthur:''' Well maybe it's because you're some crazy psychotic f*ck!


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* {{Jerkass}}: Arthur. He's lazy, tactless, inconsiderate and obnoxious. Particularly showcasing this is when Victor's hitman injures Ben and Arthur takes him to the hospital. When they get back home, Arthur ''makes Ben sleep on the couch rather than let him sleep in the bed''. [[DesignatedHero Did we mention that Arthur's supposed to be the hero of this picture?]]
8th Feb '15 8:15:03 AM CJCroen1393
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* WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou: Ben punches Arthur for accusing him of preferring his bike over him. He then tells him that it will "teach him not to say stupid things". The implications behind this line are...''[[DomesticAbuse disturbing]]'' to say the least.
5th Feb '15 10:20:59 PM Enchanter468
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** Specifically, "negative energy" is a concept whose definition varies between esoteric groups, while "karma" is a belief found in religions whose origins stem from India (e.g. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism). Neither concept is discussed in the Bible and you would be hard pressed to find any Christian denomination that teaches them.

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** *** Specifically, "negative energy" is a concept whose definition varies between esoteric groups, while "karma" is a belief found in religions whose origins stem from India (e.g. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism). Neither concept is discussed in the Bible and you would be hard pressed to find any Christian denomination that teaches them.



** Christians are OK with hiring hitmen to kill gay people, and priests in fact have contact info for them they can give you if you request it.

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** According to the film, Christians are OK with hiring hitmen to kill gay people, and priests in fact have contact info for them they can give you if you request it.
4th Dec '14 12:37:01 PM CJCroen1393
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Even Stan thinks Victor's plan to ''kill'' Arthur is "a bit extreme".

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Even Stan (who had basically been Victor's [[TheDragon Dragon]]) thinks Victor's plan to ''kill'' Arthur is "a bit extreme".


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* LazyBum: Arthur, Arthur '''ARTHUR!''' He's so lazy that his EstablishingCharacterMoment is him complaining about having to get up from a nap.


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* ManChild: Arthur, whose demeanor is essentially that of a whiny fifteen year old girl. Notably, his first instinct upon finding out that Ben is married is to run to his room and write a whiny entry in his diary about it.


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* RightHandCat: Victor has one in a lot of his scenes.


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* SmugSnake: Victor and (unintentionally) Arthur.
27th Nov '14 8:43:31 PM CJCroen1393
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* BigBad: Victor.


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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Even Stan thinks Victor's plan to ''kill'' Arthur is "a bit extreme".
6th Sep '14 10:34:29 AM OlfinBedwere
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* HollywoodAtheist: A rather strange aversion, since Arthur does fit most of the usual criteria for a Hollywood Atheist, but his positions are obviously those of Sam Mraovich himself.

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* HollywoodAtheist: A rather strange aversion, since Arthur does fit most of the usual criteria for a Hollywood Atheist, but his positions are obviously those of that Sam Mraovich himself.himself (who converted to Mormonism several years after the film's release) had at the time.
5th Sep '14 2:32:52 AM Fireblood
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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins wouldn't be doing his soul any favors.

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** Upon fatally shooting Ben, Victor claims that killing him [[{{SoulsavingCrusader}} "saved his soul"]]. If anyone in this film actually cared about real dogma, they'd realize killing Ben without giving him a chance to repent of his sins wouldn't would be doing his soul any favors.the opposite-putting it in great danger of damnation.



* HalfwayPlotSwitch: The first half of the film features Ben and Arthur trying to have the state of California legally recognize their marriage; the second half focuses on Ben and Arthur dodging the sinister machinations of Arthur's brother Victor.



* HalfwayPlotSwitch: The first half of the film features Ben and Arthur trying to have the state of California legally recognize their marriage; the second half focuses on Ben and Arthur dodging the sinister machinations of Arthur's brother Victor.



* ImprobableAimingSkills: In the film's climax, [[spoiler:Victor]] shoots [[spoiler:Arthur]] seven times, but [[spoiler:Arthur]] hangs on long enough to fire off a single shot at [[spoiler:Victor]] -- which hits him right in the forehead, killing him instantly.

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* ImprobableAimingSkills: In the film's climax, [[spoiler:Victor]] shoots [[spoiler:Arthur]] seven times, but [[spoiler:Arthur]] hangs on long enough to fire off a single shot at [[spoiler:Victor]] -- which [[spoiler:Victor]]-which hits him right in the forehead, killing him instantly.



* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen as to have survived the attempt]], but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptise and kill Arthur.]]

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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen as to have survived the attempt]], but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptise baptize and kill Arthur.]]



* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalise gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper -- at least at the time that the film was made -- would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.

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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalise legalize gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper -- at newspaper-at least at the time that the film was made -- would made-would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.
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