History Film / BenAndArthur

25th Dec '17 1:31:42 PM king3000
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->"''I don't need prayed for... YOU need prayed for!''"

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->"''I ->"''We don't need prayed for... YOU need prayed for!''"


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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Victor kills Ben, and Arthur dies from the gunshots wounds inflicted by Victor after Arthur shoots him in the head]].
10th Aug '17 2:23:30 PM Carliro
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* ArtisticLicenseReligion:

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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Do note that most of these examples ''might'' be explained in-universe as Victor's church having unique... quirks (see ChurchOfHappyology below):



** According to the film, Christians are OK with hiring hitmen to kill gay people, and priests in fact have contact info for them they can give you if you request it.
27th Apr '17 5:32:04 PM rjd1922
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Victor. WordOfGod is that Victor actually is gay, though in complete denial about it, but the film doesn't do a very good job of making it clear.

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* AmbiguouslyGay: Victor. WordOfGod is that Victor [[ArmouredClosetGay actually is gay, though in complete denial about it, it]], but the film doesn't do a very good job of making it clear.
10th Mar '17 10:28:00 AM CJCroen1393
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* NoBisexuals: Though it's more due to bad writing than anything--Ben was married to a woman but has been having an affair with Arthur. He repeatedly insists that he's gay and was only using Tammy as a cover...despite him and Tammy being married ''for years''.
27th Jan '17 11:06:18 PM rjd1922
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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
** This should ''not'' be confused with the "Final Plan", which Victor mentions ''after'' he learns that Ben and Arthur did not ingest the potion but ''before'' he is expelled from the church, meaning that there would have been no incentive to [[spoiler: kill Arthur]] during that span of time.

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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath ([[KilledOffForReal permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
** This should ''not'' be confused with the "Final Plan", which Victor mentions ''after'' he learns that Ben and Arthur did not ingest the potion but ''before'' he is expelled from the church, meaning that there would have been no incentive to [[spoiler: kill [[spoiler:kill Arthur]] during that span of time.



* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''

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* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}.''
18th Nov '16 8:01:57 AM crazysamaritan
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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt]], but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]

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* MurderIsTheBestSolution: Victor believes he must perform the "Final Deed" by [[spoiler: killing Arthur]] in order for the church to readmit him. Far from dissuading Victor, the priest [[spoiler: gives Victor a phone number for an assassin that can do the job. The assassin [[YesExceptNo succeeds in killing Ben... except that Ben is later seen to have survived the attempt]], attempt, but missed out on killing Arthur, who was away on errands. On the second attempt, Victor takes the assassin with him, only to dispense with his services when both of them are already in the building. Victor then enters Ben and Arthur's apartment alone to ([[FinalDeath permanently]]) kill Ben and, later, baptize and kill Arthur.]]
28th May '16 6:53:28 AM OlfinBedwere
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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalize gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper-at least at the time that the film was made-would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.

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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: While the overturning of Hawaii's decision to legalize gay marriage would be a pretty significant event, it's highly doubtful that any California newspaper-at newspaper -- at least at the time that the film was made-would made -- would run it as their front page story. Had the film been released made a decade later however, odds are it'd be a much lesser example of this trope thanks to the controversy around Proposition 8.
10th Aug '15 1:27:33 PM VoxAquila
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* ShoutOut: The end where [[spoiler: Arthur tries to [[{{Squick}} seduce Victor]]]] is taken almost word for word from ''Film/{{Scarface1983}}.''
20th May '15 5:42:02 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
20th May '15 5:35:58 PM LtFedora
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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.

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A labor of love for writer-director-star Sam Mraovich, Mraovich (who is also credited for just about ''every'' job on the film, including the music), which quickly became a magnet for SnarkBait in the wake of its release, and has been likened to "a gay version of ''Film/TheRoom''" -- though in actual fact it was released [[OlderThanTheyThink a year before Tommy Wiseau's epic]] -- thanks to its [[NoBudget minimal production values]], entertainingly dreadful acting, and one of the most unsubtle deliveries of its message outside of a 1950s propaganda film.
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