History Film / BatmanReturns

5th Dec '16 6:12:16 PM Xtifr
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* ReactionaryFantasy: From a certain point of view, perhaps. For example, ''every'' female character in the movie gets the short end of the stick in terms of characterization. The most genuinely likable female character, the Mayor's wife, is shown doing nothing but ''holding a baby''. All the rest are bimbos, sluts, victims, or just plain messed up in the head. Even Selina Kyle/Catwoman herself isn't immune: being a CombatPragmatist, she falls a bit short of true ActionGirl status. She also comes off as a lot more emotionally weak than Bruce Wayne/Batman. To be fair, most of the male and female characters are either anti-heroic or just evil. Also, a lot of characters regardless of their gender have issues with sanity and many characters have elements of pragmatism in their fighting regardless of gender (like Penguin's umbrellas hiding weaponry or Batman's gadgets).
24th Nov '16 12:17:47 AM Anddrix
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The first sequel to ''Film/{{Batman}},'' which was still a hit, but mainly in terms of box office, not TheMerch. Like its predecessor, it was directed by Creator/TimBurton and starred Creator/MichaelKeaton as the eponymous crime fighter.

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The first sequel to ''Film/{{Batman}},'' which was still a hit, but mainly in terms of box office, not TheMerch.''Film/{{Batman}}''. Like its predecessor, it was directed by Creator/TimBurton and starred Creator/MichaelKeaton as the eponymous crime fighter.



While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the studios, as well as the film industry at large, considered it a financial disaster; the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns'' (recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism, with ''Forever'' standing at only 40% on Rotten Tomatoes, with a 56% audience review aggregate), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.

As alluded to above, this film was aggressively merchandised, with the characters appearing on everything from posters to beach towels. It also inspired a beautifully illustrated one-shot comic adapted by DC Comics editor Dennis O'Neill (with a cover painting by longtime ''Franchise/StarWars'' artist Dave Dorman) and ''two'' novel adaptations -- one a more innocent and adventurous treatment by Andrew Helfer and the other [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism a much more cynical version]] by Craig Shaw Gardner. For the sake of thoroughness, tropes based on the comic and the two novels will be allowed on this page as well.

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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the studios, as well as the film industry at large, considered it a financial disaster; the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns'' (recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism, with ''Forever'' standing at only 40% on Rotten Tomatoes, with a 56% audience review aggregate), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.

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This film was aggressively merchandised, with the characters appearing on everything from posters to beach towels. It also inspired a beautifully illustrated one-shot comic adapted by DC Comics editor Dennis O'Neill (with a cover painting by longtime ''Franchise/StarWars'' artist Dave Dorman) and ''two'' novel adaptations -- one a more innocent and adventurous treatment by Andrew Helfer and the other [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism a much more cynical version]] by Craig Shaw Gardner. For the sake of thoroughness, tropes based on the comic and the two novels will be allowed on this page as well.
24th Nov '16 12:04:17 AM goldengardengal
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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the studios, as well as the film industry at large, considered it a financial disaster; the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns''(recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.

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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the studios, as well as the film industry at large, considered it a financial disaster; the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns''(recent ''Returns'' (recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism), criticism, with ''Forever'' standing at only 40% on Rotten Tomatoes, with a 56% audience review aggregate), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.
23rd Nov '16 9:46:18 PM goldengardengal
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* AmbiguouslyBi: Even though she is shown to have (or two have had) two heterosexual romances in the film (and is suspected of a third one by Bruce), there are things about Selina Kyle that make you wonder. Like when, just prior to transforming herself into Catwoman, she sloppily drinks some milk straight from the carton (a stereotypically masculine behavior), though that could be her cat-like behavior. Or when she manhandles the Ice Princess in a frankly kinky manner with her whip. And then there's her contempt for male sexuality ("You poor guys -- always confusing your pistols with your privates!"), as well as some lines [[AllThereInTheScript in the script]] (cut from the film) that suggest Selina's resentment at having been born female. Back when the spin-off ''Film/{{Catwoman}}'' film was first in development (before Creator/MichellePfeiffer dropped out and Creator/HalleBerry replaced her), the screenplay for that film actually ran with this and removed all doubt by having Catwoman engage in some [[DesignatedGirlFight girl on girl action...]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot in more ways than one.]]



* [[AmbiguouslyGay Ambiguously Lesbian]]: Even though she is shown to have (or two have had) two heterosexual romances in the film (and is suspected of a third one by Bruce), there are things about Selina Kyle that make you wonder. Like when, just prior to transforming herself into Catwoman, she sloppily drinks some milk straight from the carton (a stereotypically masculine behavior), though that could be her cat-like behavior. Or when she manhandles the Ice Princess in a frankly kinky manner with her whip. And then there's her contempt for male sexuality ("You poor guys -- always confusing your pistols with your privates!"), as well as some lines [[AllThereInTheScript in the script]] (cut from the film) that suggest Selina's resentment at having been born female. Back when the spin-off ''Film/{{Catwoman}}'' film was first in development (before Creator/MichellePfeiffer dropped out and Creator/HalleBerry replaced her), the screenplay for that film actually ran with this and removed all doubt by having Catwoman engage in some [[DesignatedGirlFight girl on girl action...]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot in more ways than one.]]
** There's also the way she was coming onto the woman after she saved her from the mugger.
23rd Nov '16 9:34:34 PM goldengardengal
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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns''(recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.

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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the studios, as well as the film industry at large, considered it a financial disaster; the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns''(recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.
23rd Nov '16 9:24:34 PM goldengardengal
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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''

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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''
'' To its' credit, ''Forever'' was financially, commercially, and at the time of its' release even ''critically'' more successful than ''Returns''(recent years, however, have caused many to look at the film with much harsher criticism), but the success of ''Forever'' inevitably became a massive 'be careful what you wish for' affair.
23rd Nov '16 9:19:14 PM goldengardengal
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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the film grossed about $100 million less than its predecessor at the box office. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''

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While ''Returns'' was fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the film production budget was more than double that of the first film, grossed about $100 $150 million less than its predecessor at the box office.office worldwide, left the theater industry in the lurch when theater owners agreed to let the studios take an, at that time, unheard of 65% of box office profit, believing ''Returns'' would at the very least be able to match the original in box office receipts, and all-in-all left people wondering if Burton had inadvertently killed the franchise before it had even begun. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''
23rd Nov '16 9:08:25 PM goldengardengal
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While ''Returns'' was a substantial hit, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''

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While ''Returns'' was a substantial hit, fairly successful, many parents, critics, and [[MoralGuardians whatnot]] objected to the grim, fetishistic, downbeat film. [[MisaimedMarketing The marketing]] was a major cause of this problem, attracting too many families with children later led bawling out of theaters. It also didn't help that the film grossed about $100 million less than its predecessor at the box office. In response, Warner Bros. restricted Tim Burton to the role of producer and hired a new director -- Creator/JoelSchumacher -- in an attempt to make the subsequent films [[LighterAndSofter less gruesome, less violent, and less freaky in favor of an overall more upbeat, colorful, family friendly approach]]. Burton was a producer in name only for ''Film/BatmanForever'' and -- luckily for him -- had no involvement whatsoever in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin.''
10th Nov '16 11:55:43 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* FauxActionGirl: The Poodle Lady (a grown woman [[SubvertedInnocence in an "innocent" pink shawl and skirt]]) stares Batman down coldly during a street fight, but in the end lets her faithful dog engage in the actual combat.



* FemmeFatale: Burton's Catwoman is iconic of the trope, being enticing but also clearly dangerous.



* FiveBadBand:
** BigBad - The Penguin.
** TheDragon - The Organ Grinder.
** TheBrute - The Tattooed Strongman.
** EvilGenius - The Thin Clown.
** DarkChick - The Poodle Lady.

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* %%* FiveBadBand:
** %%** BigBad - The Penguin.
** %%** TheDragon - The Organ Grinder.
** %%** TheBrute - The Tattooed Strongman.
** %%** EvilGenius - The Thin Clown.
** %%** DarkChick - The Poodle Lady.



* [[GirlOfTheWeek Girl of the Film]]: Selina Kyle.

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* [[GirlOfTheWeek Girl of the Film]]: GirlOfTheWeek: Selina Kyle.



* WomanInBlack: Burton's Catwoman is iconic of the trope, being enticing but also clearly dangerous.
9th Nov '16 1:02:44 PM nombretomado
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* SoundtrackDissonance: Notably averted compared with the rest of the series. While the first film had the incongruously poppy "Batdance" as its radio tie in, and the two JoelSchumacher films had the unexpectedly DarkerAndEdgier "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" and "The End Is the Beginning Is the End," this film had the less popular but much more tonally appropriate "Face to Face" by Music/SiouxsieAndTheBanshees.

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* SoundtrackDissonance: Notably averted compared with the rest of the series. While the first film had the incongruously poppy "Batdance" as its radio tie in, and the two JoelSchumacher Creator/JoelSchumacher films had the unexpectedly DarkerAndEdgier "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" and "The End Is the Beginning Is the End," this film had the less popular but much more tonally appropriate "Face to Face" by Music/SiouxsieAndTheBanshees.
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