History Film / Alexander

24th Nov '17 8:02:01 PM Thorion
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* TheFilmOfTheBook: Much of the film is drawn from Creator/MaryRenault's meticulously researched novels about Alexander's life. Fans of her work can recite the lines right along with the actors in a couple of scenes.

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* TheFilmOfTheBook: Much of the film is drawn from Creator/MaryRenault's meticulously researched uncritical and romanticized novels about Alexander's life. Fans of her work can recite the lines right along with the actors in a couple of scenes.
21st Nov '17 8:21:48 AM LordGro
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* BerserkButton: Do NOT insult Alexander's mother.

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* %%* BerserkButton: Do NOT insult Alexander's mother.mother. %% Zero context example



* MamasBoy: Alexander.

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* %%* MamasBoy: Alexander.Alexander. %% Zero context example



* MoodyMount: Bucephalus, [[ForegoneConclusion which should be no surprise]].
* {{Pride}}: Probably the biggest flaw of Alexander.

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* %%* MoodyMount: Bucephalus, [[ForegoneConclusion which should be no surprise]].
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21st Nov '17 8:19:53 AM LordGro
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* BrianBlessed: In a cameo as the boys' wrestling trainer.
20th Nov '17 6:37:06 PM lorgskyegon
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* BRIANBLESSED: In a cameo as the boys' wrestling trainer.

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* BRIANBLESSED: BrianBlessed: In a cameo as the boys' wrestling trainer.
20th Nov '17 6:36:49 PM lorgskyegon
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* BRIANBLESSED: In a cameo as the boys' wrestling trainer.
30th Oct '17 5:43:28 PM Thorion
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* RapeAndRevenge: The guard who assassinates Phillip is the boy he raped at his wedding party. It's made clearer in the director's cut. Also, it's canon.

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* RapeAndRevenge: The guard who assassinates Phillip is the boy he raped at his wedding party. It's made clearer in the director's cut. Also, it's canon.historically accurate.



* ShownTheirWork: Of the easiest kind by actually referring to Heracles by his Greek name instead of his Roman name Hercules.

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* ShownTheirWork: ShownTheirWork:
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Of the easiest kind by actually referring to Heracles by his Greek name instead of his Roman name Hercules.Hercules.
** Philip did indeed have one eye. It was surgically removed after he lost it to an arrow in a siege/battle.
6th Oct '17 8:51:16 PM CaptEquinox
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* AdaptationalSexuality: Despite popular belief, no ancient sources state Alexander had homosexual relationships or that his relationship with Hephaestion was sexual. He did refer to Hephaestion as his "eromenos" or "beloved" but that does not necessarily have a sexual meaning. It is possible he was bisexual as he married Roxana out of love but other than Greek culture at the time there is nothing to say he was.

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* AdaptationalSexuality: Despite popular belief, no ancient sources state Alexander had homosexual relationships or that his relationship with Hephaestion was sexual. He The only person specifically mentioned as Alex's ''eromenos'' was Bagoas, a eunuch who had been Darius' courtesan and "was afterwards loved by Alexander" according to historian Quintus Curtius.[[note]]Historian Plutarch says Bagoas did refer in fact win a dance contest and the Macedonian troops urged Alex to Hephaestion as his "eromenos" or "beloved" but that does not necessarily have a sexual meaning. kiss him, which he did. Make of it what you will.[[/note]] It is possible he was bisexual as he seems to have married Roxana out of love but other than Greek culture at the time there is nothing to say he was.



* AnimalMotifs: Alexander and the eagle, barring on RuleOfSymbolism later on. Also, Olympias in her introduction scene is holding a snake, [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent which tells you all]].

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* AnimalMotifs: Alexander and the eagle, barring on RuleOfSymbolism later on. Also, Olympias in her introduction scene is holding a snake, [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent which tells you all]].all]] -- as should the fact that snakes are good guys in her native culture.



-->'''Alexander:''' If I die, it's one Macedonian. But the Persians, they ''can't move'' without Darius' command.
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Macedonians and other Greeks in general look down on all non-Greeks as hedonistic barbarians. When Alexander says that he looks forward to the day when Greeks and non-Greeks will mix and be treated as equals, his generals look at him as if he's insane. And there is of course a heavy misogynistic theme on the Greek side, treating women as good for childbearing and slaves to passion, while only two man can create a true, perfect love.

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-->'''Alexander:''' If I die, it's one Macedonian. But the Persians, they ''can't move'' without Darius' command.
command.[[note]]Literally. The absolute ''immobility'' of the Persian host is stunningly portrayed.[[/note]]
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Macedonians and other Greeks in general look down on all non-Greeks as hedonistic barbarians. When Alexander says that he looks forward to the day when Greeks and non-Greeks will mix and be treated as equals, his generals look at him as if he's insane. And there is of course a heavy misogynistic theme on the Greek side, treating women as good for childbearing and slaves to passion, while only two man men can create a true, perfect love.



* TheFarmerAndTheViper: Invoked by Olympias, while she handles young Alexander a snake.

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* TheFarmerAndTheViper: Invoked by Olympias, while she handles shows young Alexander how to handle a snake.



* MercyKill: Glaucos, an Ilirian wounded by a spear under Gaugamela, is dying. The physician starts to unwrap a set for euthanasia while Alexander is comforting the soldier, and [[SickeningCrunch then...]]

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* MercyKill: Glaucos, an Ilirian Illyrian wounded by a spear under Gaugamela, is dying. The physician starts to unwrap a set for euthanasia while Alexander is comforting the soldier, and [[SickeningCrunch then...]]



* RapeAndRevenge: The guard who assassinates Phillip is the boy he raped at his wedding party. It's made clearer in the director's cut.

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* RapeAndRevenge: The guard who assassinates Phillip is the boy he raped at his wedding party. It's made clearer in the director's cut. Also, it's canon.



* RousingSpeech: At the Battle of Gaugamela, Alexander rides before his phalanx, pointing out individual soldiers and reminding them of their past heroic deeds. Then he addresses the army as a whole.

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* RousingSpeech: At the Battle of Gaugamela, Alexander rides before his phalanx, pointing out individual soldiers and reminding them of their past heroic deeds. Then he addresses the army as a whole.[[note]]TruthInTelevision. Alex was really known for this.[[/note]]



* RoyalHarem: One in Babylon. Which includes even androgynous boys with make up and long hair.

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* RoyalHarem: One in Babylon. Which includes even androgynous boys (eunuchs) with make up makeup and long hair.



** At the Battle of the Hydaspes, Alexander throws his sword at King Poros in a futile attempt to kill him, only to miss.
** In the Final Cut, during the Battle of Gaugamela, Antigonus (the one-eyed general) barely manages to protect himself with his shield from an arrow, and then conterattacks by tossing his sword at the Persian archer.

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** At the Battle of the Hydaspes, Alexander throws his sword at King Poros in a futile attempt to kill him, only to miss. \n [[note]]This part of the film, including [[spoiler: the death of Bucephalus]], was complete nonsense.[[/note]]
** In the Final Cut, during the Battle of Gaugamela, Antigonus (the one-eyed general) barely manages to protect himself with his shield from an arrow, and then conterattacks counterattacks by tossing his sword at the Persian archer.



* WarIsGlorious: What everyone firmly believes. With time however, more and more Macedonians are tired of never-ending conquest and witnessing the hell of war for so many years. In the end, Alexander is forced to retreat, being the only one still lusting for more war.

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** What they seem to have done is to combine this battle, which actually went fine, with the later incident in Mallia, where Alex took the arrow that almost killed him, and his army thinking him dead massacred everyone in the city.
* WarIsGlorious: What everyone firmly believes. With time however, more and more Macedonians are tired of never-ending conquest and witnessing the hell of war for so many years. They plead with him to take them home to their families (TruthInTelevision). In the end, Alexander is forced to retreat, do it, being the only one still lusting for more war.exploration.
12th Sep '17 3:18:40 AM Thorion
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* AdaptationalSexuality: Despite popular belief, no ancient sources state Alexander had homosexual relationships or that his relationship with Hephaestion was sexual. He did refer to Hephaestion as his "erogenous" or "beloved" but that does not necessarily have a sexual meaning. It is possible he was bisexual as he married Roxana out of love but other than Greek culture at the time there is nothing to say he was.

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* AdaptationalSexuality: Despite popular belief, no ancient sources state Alexander had homosexual relationships or that his relationship with Hephaestion was sexual. He did refer to Hephaestion as his "erogenous" "eromenos" or "beloved" but that does not necessarily have a sexual meaning. It is possible he was bisexual as he married Roxana out of love but other than Greek culture at the time there is nothing to say he was.
11th Sep '17 9:06:29 PM Thorion
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* AdaptationalSexuality: Despite popular belief, no ancient sources state Alexander had homosexual relationships or that his relationship with Hephaestion was sexual. He did refer to Hephaestion as his "erogenous" or "beloved" but that does not necessarily have a sexual meaning. It is possible he was bisexual as he married Roxana out of love but other than Greek culture at the time there is nothing to say he was.
5th Aug '17 11:28:52 PM Fireblood
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* CulturalPosturing: Creator/{{Aristotle}}, while explaining young Alexander and his future commanders why Greeks are superior race over Persians.

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* CulturalPosturing: Creator/{{Aristotle}}, while explaining to young Alexander and his future commanders why Greeks are a superior race over Persians.



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Macedonians and other Greeks in general look down on all non-Greeks as hedonistic barbarians. When Alexander says that he looks forward to the day when Greeks and non-Greeks will mix and be treated as equals, his generals look at him as if he's insane. And there is of course heavy misogynistic theme on the Greek side, treating women as good for childbearing and slaves to passion, while only two man can create a true, perfect love.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Macedonians and other Greeks in general look down on all non-Greeks as hedonistic barbarians. When Alexander says that he looks forward to the day when Greeks and non-Greeks will mix and be treated as equals, his generals look at him as if he's insane. And there is of course a heavy misogynistic theme on the Greek side, treating women as good for childbearing and slaves to passion, while only two man can create a true, perfect love.



* FullFrontalAssault: Roxane tries to stab Alexander while being completely nude.

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* FullFrontalAssault: Roxane tries to stab Alexander while being completely nude.naked on their wedding night.



* MamasBoy: Alexander

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* MamasBoy: AlexanderAlexander.



* MercyKill: Glaucos, an Ilirian wounded by spear under Gaugamela is dying. The physician starts to unwrap a set for euthanasia while Alexander is comforting the soldier and [[SickeningCrunch then...]]

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* MercyKill: Glaucos, an Ilirian wounded by a spear under Gaugamela Gaugamela, is dying. The physician starts to unwrap a set for euthanasia while Alexander is comforting the soldier soldier, and [[SickeningCrunch then...]]



* ARealManIsAKiller: Phillip's father send him to battle and when he returned after slaying someone for the first time, he said "Now you know".
* RearingHorse: Alexander's horse rears as it faces an enemy [[WarElephants War Elephant]] which is also rearing. Then he falls off from his horse.

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* ARealManIsAKiller: Phillip's father send sent him to battle and when he returned after slaying killing someone for the first time, he said "Now you know".
* RearingHorse: Alexander's horse rears as it faces an enemy [[WarElephants War Elephant]] which is also rearing. Then he falls off from his horse.off.



* RoyallyScrewedUp: Alexander's whole family - drunk rapist father, possessive and treacherous mother, he himself lusting for everlasting glory of conqueror, then Roxane playing her own games... Not to mention his male lovers that he treats as part of his family.

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* RoyallyScrewedUp: Alexander's whole family - drunk rapist father, possessive and treacherous mother, he himself lusting for everlasting glory of as a conqueror, then Roxane playing her own games... Not to mention his male lovers that he treats as part of his family.



* WarIsGlorious: What everyone firmly believes. With time however, more and more Macedonians are tired with never-ending conquest and witnessing the hell of war for so many years. In the end, Alexander is forced to retreat, being the only one still lusting for more war.

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* WarIsGlorious: What everyone firmly believes. With time however, more and more Macedonians are tired with of never-ending conquest and witnessing the hell of war for so many years. In the end, Alexander is forced to retreat, being the only one still lusting for more war.



* YouNoTakeCandle: The Persians (and much of the Greeks/Macedonians) speak fairly and eloquently ("If only you were not a pale reflection of my mother's heart") whilst the Baktrian Roxane speaks in this manner: "Great man, Alexander? You I kill now." Potentially justified in showcasing that Roxane was not very fluent in the native language of the Greeks, while her father Oxyartes speaks perfectly fluent.

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* YouNoTakeCandle: The Persians (and much of the Greeks/Macedonians) speak fairly and eloquently ("If only you were not a pale reflection of my mother's heart") whilst the Baktrian Bactrian Roxane speaks in this manner: "Great man, Alexander? You I kill now." Potentially justified in showcasing that Roxane was not very fluent in the native language of the Greeks, while which her father Oxyartes speaks perfectly fluent.fluently.
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