History Film / AKnightsTale

10th Sep '16 10:12:00 AM fearlessnikki
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** More astute viewers may notice that neither "Golden Years" nor "The Boys Are Back In Town" were written in the 14th century.
** Neither is ''The Stars and Stripes Forever'' tune, used by the gang when they cheer on William in a bar: "Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein..."[[note]]This tune is traditionally chanted by English football fans, who instead of "Lichtenstein" sing "Here we go".[[/note]]
** Nor was the Millennium Eye erected in London at that time. Not even made of wood.
** Every article of clothing worn by Jocelyn, plus her hair. If you look close enough while she's in the light, you notice that even Kate has bits of her hair dyed green. The costume designer did make all the outfits from period accurate materials and using medieval techniques.
** The Nike swoosh was not, in fact, originally a medieval blacksmith's mark.
** A crowd singing [[{{Queen}} "We will rock you"]].
** The musical anachronism (as well as some of the dialogue "It's called a 'lance', ''hellooo.''") was [[TranslationConvention done intentionally]] to illustrate that people of the era thought of their music pretty much the same as modern people do of current music. No such excuse for the clothes, though; the costume designer simply thought they [[RuleOfCool looked neat.]]

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** More astute viewers may notice Modern music is played at frequent intervals in order to convey the feeling that neither "Golden Years" nor "The Boys Are Back In Town" were written in the 14th century.
** Neither is ''The Stars and Stripes Forever'' tune, used by the gang when they cheer on William in a bar: "Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein..."[[note]]This tune is traditionally chanted by English football fans, who instead of "Lichtenstein" sing "Here we go".[[/note]]
** Nor was the Millennium Eye erected in London at that time. Not even made of wood.
** Every article of clothing worn by Jocelyn, plus her hair. If you look close enough while she's in the light, you notice that even Kate has bits of her hair dyed green. The costume designer did make all the outfits from period accurate materials and using
medieval techniques.
** The Nike swoosh was not, in fact, originally a medieval blacksmith's mark.
** A crowd singing [[{{Queen}} "We will rock you"]].
** The musical anachronism (as well as some of the dialogue "It's called a 'lance', ''hellooo.''") was [[TranslationConvention done intentionally]] to illustrate that
people of would have felt the era thought of same way about their music pretty much the same as modern people do of current music. No such excuse do.
** Other anachronisms are put in
for RuleOfFunny and RuleOfCool. Kate puts her brand on Will's armour - the clothes, though; Nike logo. Jocelyn has a lot of hairstyles that are inspired by punk-rock and there's even a wooden version of the costume London Eye visible at one point. Some of the costumes are anachronistic because the designer simply thought they [[RuleOfCool looked neat.]]



* BlondBrunetteRedhead: Male example. The trio of friends at the beginning has William as the blond, Roland as the brunet and Wat as the redhead. Geoff gives them another blond and then Kate's black hair. This is averted with the female characters, who are all dark-haired.



* CripplingTheCompetition: Discussed, then played with, and finally played straight:

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* CripplingTheCompetition: CripplingTheCompetition:
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Discussed, then played with, and finally played straight:



* DirtForcefield: Mostly {{averted}}, as characters appear just as dusty and dirty as they ought (and the Black Prince has a ''bad'' case of Helmet Hair when William reveals him), most of the time. Played straight, though, when Kate is shown working on the below mentioned Nike armor; a blacksmith working in her forge ought to be ''covered'' in soot, while she's just got a little bit of dust on her forehead.
** Possibly. In putting her maker's mark on the armor, she has completed everything with the creation of it except putting it together. Likely, her actual forging would have been finished days ago.

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* DirtForcefield: Mostly {{averted}}, as characters appear just as dusty and dirty as they ought (and the Black Prince has a ''bad'' case of Helmet Hair when William reveals him), most of the time. Played straight, though, when Kate is shown working on the below mentioned Nike armor; armour; a blacksmith working in her forge ought to be ''covered'' in soot, while she's just got a little bit of dust on her forehead.
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forehead. Possibly. In putting her maker's mark on the armor, she has completed everything with the creation of it except putting it together. Likely, her actual forging would have been finished days ago.



* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: William's long dreadlocks get cut short offscreen, and he shaves his beard, to look more like a knight.



* FieryRedHead: Wat.

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* FieryRedHead: Wat.Wat, who is prone to violent outbursts.



* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: William's blond hair marks him as a WideEyedIdealist and a kind soul.



* HeroesPreferSwords: Before he gets the hang of tilting, swordplay is easily William's best skill.
** Then subverted: William abandons the sword tournaments because jousting is far more prestigious and heroic.

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* HeroesPreferSwords: Before he gets the hang of tilting, swordplay is easily William's best skill.
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skill. Then subverted: William abandons the sword tournaments because jousting is far more prestigious and heroic.



* NakedPeopleAreFunny: Chaucer just strolls into the film stark naked, completely okay with that.

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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: NakedPeopleAreFunny:
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Chaucer just strolls into the film stark naked, completely okay with that.that. It's something of a RunningGag for him to have gambled his clothes away.



** Sadly, it didn't actually happen, but at one point Josslyn asks Will (who's in a very bad mood) what he'll be wearing to this dance, to which he replies "Nothing." Her response is a humorous [[ShamelessFanserviceGirl "Then we shall cause quite a stir, for I shall dress to match."]]

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** Sadly, it didn't actually happen, but at one point Josslyn Jocelyn asks Will (who's in a very bad mood) what he'll be wearing to this dance, to which he replies "Nothing." Her response is a humorous [[ShamelessFanserviceGirl "Then we shall cause quite a stir, for I shall dress to match."]]



* TheObstructiveLoveInterest: Jocelyn

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* TheObstructiveLoveInterest: JocelynJocelyn. It's implied that she's sick of numerous knights vowing to win the tournament for her, so she asks William to do his ''worst'' to prove his love. When he does so - and proves his sincerity - she lets him off.



* OneOfTheBoys: Kate
* PairTheSpares: Roland often becomes a BetaCouple with Jocelyn's handmaiden Christiana in fan fics. There are several scenes in the movie in which one can see Roland and Christiana chatting happily in the background.
** Made explicit in a deleted scene where Chaucer's wife visits the tournament. Jocelyn and William go off together, Roland and Christiana go off together, and Wat attempts to go off with Kate but she just gives him an apple and walks in the opposite direction.

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* OneOfTheBoys: Kate
Kate. A credits scene has her winning a farting contest amongst them.
* PairTheSpares: Roland often becomes a BetaCouple with Jocelyn's handmaiden Christiana in fan fics. There are several scenes in the movie in which one can see Roland and Christiana chatting happily in the background. \n** Made explicit in a deleted scene where Chaucer's wife visits the tournament. Jocelyn and William go off together, Roland and Christiana go off together, and Wat attempts to go off with Kate but she just gives him an apple and walks in the opposite direction.



* SatelliteLoveInterest: Jocelyn. She's beautiful, rich, likes clothes, loves William... and that's it. All the poor girl gets to do is stand on the sidelines and then have either a love scene or a fighting scene with Will. Though she's lucky enough to even get moments of [[DeadpanSnarker witty lines]] and [[PluckyGirl displays of spunk.]]
** She also kind of lampshades this. Her initial rejection of Will is based on him treating her like this, as every knight who was smitten with her pretty face has done. She asks him to think of her as a person, not a prize, and when he ''does'' she falls for him. Not that the audience gets to know her very well, she still fits the trope for us.

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* SatelliteLoveInterest: Jocelyn. She's beautiful, rich, likes clothes, loves William... and that's it. All the poor girl gets to do is stand on the sidelines and then have either a love scene or a fighting scene with Will. Though she's lucky enough to even get moments of [[DeadpanSnarker witty lines]] and [[PluckyGirl displays of spunk.]]
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]] She also kind of lampshades this. Her initial rejection of Will is based on him treating her like this, as every knight who was smitten with her pretty face has done. She asks him to think of her as a person, not a prize, and when he ''does'' she falls for him. Not that the audience gets to know her very well, she still fits the trope for us.



* ShoutOut: William's choice of nom-de-guerre has a certain appropriateness (see AluminiumChristmasTrees above).

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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William's choice of nom-de-guerre has a certain appropriateness (see AluminiumChristmasTrees above).
7th Sep '16 4:29:07 PM AFP
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* MeaningfulRename: [[spoiler: ''Sir'' William Thatcher, indicating that William has indeed changed his stars and elevated his position.]]
24th Aug '16 2:28:12 PM JoieDeCombat
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** Earlier, they note that he has rudimentary style, nonexistent technique, but he's fearless. Ahdemar goes on to explain to Jocelyn that while the visor a knight's helmet is small, splinters can penetrate, and most knight's raise their heads at the last second, losing sight of their target but protecting their eyes. "Ulrich" doesn't. Jocelyn is impressed.

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** Earlier, they note that he has rudimentary style, nonexistent technique, but he's fearless. Ahdemar goes on to explain to Jocelyn that while the visor a knight's helmet is small, splinters can penetrate, and most knight's raise their heads at the last second, losing sight of their target but protecting their eyes. "Ulrich" doesn't.doesn't (chances are that William doesn't know to do so). Jocelyn is impressed.
24th Aug '16 2:23:19 PM JoieDeCombat
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* MeaningfulName: William Thatcher, a Thatcher being a tradesman who makes roofs for buildings out of straw mat, in other words, most definitely not a nobleman by birth. A justified example - in that time period, a person's last name was based on their family's trade.

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* MeaningfulName: William Thatcher, a Thatcher being a tradesman who makes roofs for buildings out of straw mat, in other words, most definitely not a nobleman by birth. A justified example - in that time period, a person's last name was based on their family's trade. William's father is indeed a thatcher by profession, and William knows enough of the job to repair a leaky roof.
24th Aug '16 2:20:01 PM JoieDeCombat
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** Kate invents the Bessemer Process for heating steel 400-500 years before it happened. William is initially ridiculed for wearing thin, light armor. At least until he nimbly leaps onto his horse.
** Her etching "the mark of [her] trade" ([[ProductPlacement the Nike logo]]) into her armour, which is also received with ridicule.

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** Kate invents the Bessemer Process for heating steel 400-500 years before it happened. When William is initially ridiculed for wearing first walks out in his thin, light armor. At least lightweight new armor, he's meet with guffaws of ridicule... until he nimbly leaps easily swings himself up onto his horse.
horseback unassisted (in contrast to an earlier shot of servants laboring to heft a heavily-armored knight into the saddle). The laughter dies off in a hurry then.
** Her Kate etching "the mark of [her] trade" ([[ProductPlacement the Nike logo]]) into her armour, which armour is also received with ridicule.
24th Aug '16 2:07:15 PM JoieDeCombat
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* ComicallyMissingThePoint:
** Wat's usual state of mind.
--->'''Wat''': It's called a ''lance'', helloooooo!

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* ComicallyMissingThePoint:
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ComicallyMissingThePoint: Wat's usual state of mind.
--->'''Wat''':
mind. For just one example, his response to Jocelyn's disparaging description of William as "a silly boy with a horse and a stick."
-->'''Wat''':
It's called a ''lance'', helloooooo!
24th Aug '16 2:05:35 PM JoieDeCombat
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** Adhemar's aide shows signs of this. When Adhemar asks how ''he'' would defeat "Ulric", the man replied by taking him out in his sleep.

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** Adhemar's aide shows signs of this. When Adhemar asks how ''he'' would defeat "Ulric", the man replied by taking suggests ambushing him out in his sleep.sleep and beating him with a stick.
24th Aug '16 2:04:55 PM JoieDeCombat
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* {{Badass}}: William:
--> '''Adhemar''': "How would you beat him?"\\
'''Man''': "With a stick! While he slept. But on a horse, with a lance? That man's unbeatable."



** Played with while Adhemar is watching Will joust in London.
--->'''Adhemar:''' How would you beat him?\\
'''Aide:''' With a stick, while he slept. But on a horse, with a lance? That man is unbeatable.
8th Aug '16 2:10:52 PM ErikModi
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** Earlier, they note that he has rudimentary style, nonexistent technique, but he's fearless. Ahdemar goes on to explain to Jocelyn that while the visor a knight's helmet is small, splinters can penetrate, and most knight's raise their heads at the last second, losing sight of their target but protecting their eyes. "Ulrich" doesn't. Jocelyn is impressed.
8th Aug '16 2:08:48 PM ErikModi
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** Subtly, Ahdemar and William.
--->'''Ahdemar''': No style at all. . . but neither has an anvil.\\
(cut)\\
'''William''': He hits like a hammer.
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