History Film / AKnightsTale

23rd Apr '16 12:37:40 AM foxley
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* CripplingTheCompetition: Discussed, then played with, and finally played straight:
-->'''Count Adhemar:''' "How would you beat him?"
--> '''Advisor:''' "With a stick. While he slept. But on a horse, with a lance? That man is unbeatable."
** Following this, Adhemar plays with the trope by striking at Will ''politically'', exposing him as a false-knight so he can't compete. When ''that'' doesn't work (because Will actually gets knighted), Adhemar resorts to straight up cheating by using actual pointed lances ''disguised'' as the tournament-legal blunted ones. The stabbing injury he inflicts on Will with one forces him to shed his armor and risk ''death'' to continue competing.
22nd Apr '16 8:03:03 PM Fireblood
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*** Neither is ''The Star Spangled Banner'' tune, used by the gang when they cheer on William in a bar: "Liechtenstein, liechtenstein, Liechtenstein..."

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*** Neither is ''The Star Spangled Banner'' tune, used by the gang when they cheer on William in a bar: "Liechtenstein, liechtenstein, Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein..."



* AudienceParticipationFailure: At one point during the filming, the Czech extras hired to play a crowd watching one of the tournaments (very few of whom actually understood English) were supposed to cheer wildly when Heath Ledger defeated his opponent. But, as most of them didn't understand Englsh, the crowd hadn't actually understood their instructions, and when the fight was over they stood there silently for almost a minute, staring at each other in confusion. When actor Creator/MarkAddy abruptly broke into wild cheering, the crowd finally got it and began to cheer as well. Director Brian Helgeland thought this was so funny [[ThrowItIn he actually kept it in the film]] and reshot some sequences before and after to make their reaction more appropriate to the story.

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* AudienceParticipationFailure: At one point during the filming, the Czech extras hired to play a crowd watching one of the tournaments (very few of whom actually understood English) were supposed to cheer wildly when Heath Ledger defeated his opponent. But, as most of them didn't understand Englsh, English, the crowd hadn't actually understood their instructions, and when the fight was over they stood there silently for almost a minute, staring at each other in confusion. When actor Creator/MarkAddy abruptly broke into wild cheering, the crowd finally got it and began to cheer as well. Director Brian Helgeland thought this was so funny [[ThrowItIn he actually kept it in the film]] and reshot some sequences before and after to make their reaction more appropriate to the story.



* TheChampion: Inverted and lampshaded when Jocelyn calls William out on this trope, telling him that the ''more'' impressive feat to her would be if he intentionally lost as "proof of his love". [[LoveMakesYouStupid No points for guessing how this turns out]].
* ChekhovsSkill: Subverted with William's swordsmanship--he's shown early on to be very good in the sword, and wins a tournament in the sport in his first go...then declares that it's Tournament Champion or nothing and he never picks another sword up for the rest of the film.

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* TheChampion: Inverted {{Inverted}} and lampshaded {{lampshaded}} when Jocelyn calls William out on this trope, telling him that the ''more'' impressive feat to her would be if he intentionally lost as "proof of his love". [[LoveMakesYouStupid No points for guessing how this turns out]].
* ChekhovsSkill: Subverted {{Subverted}} with William's swordsmanship--he's shown early on to be very good in the sword, and wins a tournament in the sport in his first go...then declares that it's Tournament Champion or nothing and he never picks another sword up for the rest of the film.



* DarkIsEvil: Adhemar; dark hair, dark armour, dark horse, dark heart.
* DarkIsNotEvil: Played with Prince Edward, called the Black Prince. As mentioned in HistoricalHeroUpgrade, against his enemies, he is a scourge and bringer of death and terror. However, if one has gained his respect, then he is this idea. Seen best when [[spoiler:he knights William because of his valor and his friend's love for him]].

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* DarkIsEvil: Adhemar; dark hair, dark armour, armor, dark horse, dark heart.
* DarkIsNotEvil: Played with {{Played with}} Prince Edward, called the Black Prince. As mentioned in HistoricalHeroUpgrade, against his enemies, he is a scourge and bringer of death and terror. However, if one has gained his respect, then he is this idea. Seen best when [[spoiler:he knights William because of his valor and his friend's love for him]].



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Played straight, then subverted.[[spoiler: William is stripped of everything, put into the pillory, and humiliated for daring to rise above being a peasant squire. Then the Prince knights him anyway]].
* DirtForcefield: Mostly averted, as characters appear just as dusty and dirty as they ought (and the Black Prince has a ''bad'' case of Helmet Hair when William reveals him), most of the time. Played straight, though, when Kate is shown working on the below mentioned Nike armor; a blacksmith working in her forge ought to be ''covered'' in soot, while she's just got a little bit of dust on her forehead.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Played straight, {{Played straight}}, then subverted.[[spoiler: William is stripped of everything, put into the pillory, and humiliated for daring to rise above being a peasant squire. Then the Prince knights him anyway]].
* DirtForcefield: Mostly averted, {{averted}}, as characters appear just as dusty and dirty as they ought (and the Black Prince has a ''bad'' case of Helmet Hair when William reveals him), most of the time. Played straight, though, when Kate is shown working on the below mentioned Nike armor; a blacksmith working in her forge ought to be ''covered'' in soot, while she's just got a little bit of dust on her forehead.



* ForgingScene: Kate notices that Will wears armour that wasn't made for him. She volunteers to make him some that's so light-weight he wouldn't know he was wearing it. After she is finished the knight is presented with a suit of shiny new armour.

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* ForgingScene: Kate notices that Will wears armour armor that wasn't made for him. She volunteers to make him some that's so light-weight he wouldn't know he was wearing it. After she is finished the knight is presented with a suit of shiny new armour.armor.



* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: Will is injured just before the final lance, which will determine who wins the world championships. Not only does he opt not to wear his helmet, he takes off ''all his armour'', saying he "can't breathe with it on," because the chestplate was damaged enough that it was pushing at the wound and compressing his chest.
** Averted in most of the earlier jousts. In commentary, the director noted the convenience of being able to cut from shots of the actors, ending when they pulled down their faceplates, to shots of the stunt men.
** And in the first joust, William used the damage to his faceplate to justify not showing his face -- even after the combat.

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* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: Will is injured just before the final lance, which will determine who wins the world championships. Not only does he opt not to wear his helmet, he takes off ''all his armour'', armor'', saying he "can't breathe with it on," because the chestplate chest plate was damaged enough that it was pushing at the wound and compressing his chest.
** Averted in most of the earlier jousts. In commentary, the director noted the convenience of being able to cut from shots of the actors, ending when they pulled down their faceplates, face plates, to shots of the stunt men.
** And in the first joust, William used the damage to his faceplate face plate to justify not showing his face -- even after the combat.



* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Edward the Black Prince is portrayed as a likeable individual who values William's courage and the bond of companionship he has with his friends. The ''historical'' Black Prince was well-known for conducting brutal scorched-earth campaigns that ravaged the French countryside, and to have despised and scorned the lower classes. Partly this can be seen as ProtagonistCenteredMorality -- the characters do mention his pillaging and burning of villages, and Edward's fondness of William despite him being lower class is motivated by William doing him two big favours earlier in the movie when he had no reason to do so, and willingly letting himself be arrested instead of fleeing.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Edward the Black Prince is portrayed as a likeable likable individual who values William's courage and the bond of companionship he has with his friends. The ''historical'' Black Prince was well-known for conducting brutal scorched-earth campaigns that ravaged the French countryside, and to have despised and scorned the lower classes. Partly this can be seen as ProtagonistCenteredMorality -- the characters do mention his pillaging and burning of villages, and Edward's fondness of William despite him being lower class is motivated by William doing him two big favours favors earlier in the movie when he had no reason to do so, and willingly letting himself be arrested instead of fleeing.



* NakedPeopleAreFunny: Chaucer just strolls into the film stark naked, completely ok with that.

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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: Chaucer just strolls into the film stark naked, completely ok okay with that.
19th Apr '16 3:36:18 AM Eilevgmyhren
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*** Neither is ''The Star Spangled Banner'' tune, used by the gang when they cheer on William in a bar: "Liechtenstein, liechtenstein, Liechtenstein..."
18th Apr '16 1:35:53 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').

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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], like, even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').
10th Apr '16 11:21:21 AM StFan
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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[RoleAssociation you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').

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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[RoleAssociation [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').
10th Apr '16 2:17:01 AM aye_amber
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A major, completely unashamed AnachronismStew. Features 14th-century courtiers dancing to DavidBowie and peasants doing the ''stomp-stomp-clap'' cadence from [[{{Queen}} We Will Rock You]] ([[ThrowItIn which was actually filmed by the second unit as a joke]], but was [[RuleOfFunny considered funny enough to use anyway]]).

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A major, completely unashamed AnachronismStew. Features 14th-century courtiers dancing to DavidBowie Music/DavidBowie and peasants doing the ''stomp-stomp-clap'' cadence from [[{{Queen}} [[Music/{{Queen}} We Will Rock You]] ([[ThrowItIn which was actually filmed by the second unit as a joke]], but was [[RuleOfFunny considered funny enough to use anyway]]).
17th Mar '16 3:52:13 PM HighCrate
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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[HeyItsThatGuy you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').

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Stars Creator/HeathLedger as William Thatcher, Paul Bettany as Creator/GeoffreyChaucer ([[InThePastEveryoneWillBeFamous yes]], [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales that one]]) and a whole bunch of people [[HeyItsThatGuy [[RoleAssociation you recognise from cool stuff and kind of like]], even though they've never quite hit the big time (including cast members from ''Series/{{Rome}}'', ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', ''Film/TheFullMonty'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and Creator/NeilGaiman's ''Series/{{Neverwhere}}'').
14th Feb '16 9:28:48 AM lorgskyegon
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*** WordOfGod also gave the reason that no matter what century you were in, The 70's were The 70's.
24th Jan '16 2:19:09 PM sabremeister
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* UnskilledButStrong: Both Ademar and his squire are impressed with William's jousting technique, which exhibits no technical skill but hits like a megaton punch:

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* UnskilledButStrong: Both Ademar and his squire herald are impressed with William's jousting technique, which exhibits no technical skill but hits like a megaton punch:
24th Jan '16 2:14:38 PM sabremeister
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** Made explicit in a deleted scene where Chaucer's wife visits the tournament. Jocelyn and William go off together, Roland and Christiana go off together, and Wat attempts to go off with Kate but she just gives him a cookie and walks in the opposite direction.

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** Made explicit in a deleted scene where Chaucer's wife visits the tournament. Jocelyn and William go off together, Roland and Christiana go off together, and Wat attempts to go off with Kate but she just gives him a cookie an apple and walks in the opposite direction.
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