History Film / AFewGoodMen

12th Nov '17 12:33:47 PM marcoasalazarm
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** With Jo it's her KnightTemplar tendencies (that made her refuse any and all appeal options and go straight to court, which could have gotten Dawson and Downey executed or imprisoned for life and may have gotten Kaffee a black mark on his file, be expelled from the Navy or worse if his [[CourtroomAntic Courtroom Antics]] hadn't worked) and desire to catch those actually responsible for Santiago's death and other misconducts on Gitmo (namely Jessup), even if that is not the actual objective of her assignment.

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** With Jo it's her KnightTemplar tendencies (that made her refuse any and all appeal plea options and go straight to court, which could have gotten Dawson and Downey executed or imprisoned for life and may have gotten Kaffee a black mark on his file, be expelled from the Navy or worse if his [[CourtroomAntic Courtroom Antics]] hadn't worked) and desire to catch those actually responsible for Santiago's death and other misconducts on Gitmo (namely Jessup), even if that is not the actual objective of her assignment.assignment and she's embarrasingly wet behind the ears as a JAG attorney.
12th Nov '17 12:30:48 PM marcoasalazarm
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* FatalFlaw: With Jessup, it's the fact that he's a GungHolierThanThou hard-ass that doesn't tolerates his orders being questioned in any way, shape or form nor anybody else in the military performing in a way he thinks is poorly (even if justified because of such reasons like bad health or ''[[HeManWomanHater being a woman]]''). With Markinson, it's his UndyingLoyalty to Jessup even in the face of a crime that he acknowledges is going too far (and so when he's confronted with having to testify, and thus betray Jessup, [[DrivenToSuicide he decides to take the coward's way out]] and [[ItsAllMyFault puts the blame on his lack of willpower to prevent it on his letter to Santiago's mother]]).

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With Jessup, it's the fact that he's a GungHolierThanThou hard-ass that doesn't tolerates his orders being questioned in any way, shape or form nor anybody else in the military performing in a way he thinks is poorly (even if justified because of such reasons like bad health or ''[[HeManWomanHater being a woman]]''). woman]]'').
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With Markinson, it's his UndyingLoyalty to Jessup even in the face of a crime that he acknowledges is going too far (and so when he's confronted with having to testify, and thus betray Jessup, [[DrivenToSuicide he decides to take the coward's way out]] and [[ItsAllMyFault puts the blame on his lack of willpower to prevent it on his letter to Santiago's mother]]).mother]]).
** With Dawson it's his own GungHolierThanThou attitude that makes him refuse an easy (well, eas''ier'') way out of the mess he and Downey are in because he sees it as dishonorable (he was JustFollowingOrders, so it couldn't have been ''that'' illegal, right?).
** With Jo it's her KnightTemplar tendencies (that made her refuse any and all appeal options and go straight to court, which could have gotten Dawson and Downey executed or imprisoned for life and may have gotten Kaffee a black mark on his file, be expelled from the Navy or worse if his [[CourtroomAntic Courtroom Antics]] hadn't worked) and desire to catch those actually responsible for Santiago's death and other misconducts on Gitmo (namely Jessup), even if that is not the actual objective of her assignment.
2nd Nov '17 10:53:42 PM marcoasalazarm
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* PleaBargain: [[DefiedTrope Dawson refuses to take one.]]
--> "We joined the Marines because we wanted to live our lives by a certain code, and we found it in the Corps. Now you're asking us to sign a piece of paper that says we have no honor. You're asking us to say we're not Marines. If a court decides that what we did was wrong, then I'll accept whatever punishment they give. But I believe I was right sir, I believe I did my job, and I WILL NOT DISHONOR MYSELF, MY UNIT, OR THE CORPS SO I CAN GO HOME IN SIX MONTHS! [beat] Sir.

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* PleaBargain: [[DefiedTrope Dawson refuses refuses]] [[IWontSayImGuilty to take one.]]
--> "We joined the Marines because we wanted to live our lives by a certain code, and we found it in the Corps. Now you're asking us to sign a piece of paper that says we have no honor. You're asking us to say we're not Marines. If a court decides that what we did was wrong, then I'll accept whatever punishment they give. But I believe I was right sir, I believe I did my job, and I WILL NOT DISHONOR MYSELF, MY UNIT, OR THE CORPS SO I CAN GO HOME IN ''GO HOME'' '''IN SIX MONTHS! MONTHS!''' [beat] Sir."
* PoliceAreUseless: [[spoiler:The M.P. security detail keeping custody of Markinson didn't felt it necessary to take away his sidearm for some reason, which allowed him to [[AteHisGun blow his brains out]] rather than use any other method to commit suicide. Kaffee lampshades their [[SarcasmMode effectiveness]] when he drunkenly points out the absurdity of the situation.]]
2nd Nov '17 10:45:12 PM marcoasalazarm
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* TheDitz: Downey is very, ''very'', '''very''' dim, to the point that he needs Dawson's lead. It's even lampshaded at one point when Jo warns Kaffee that, even if they have rehearsed the night before, he must remember to ask Downey's questions in the simplest words possible (and when Ross' cross-interrogation blind-sides them with an up-to-then unknown detail, Downey spends a long time asking Dawson what to do (and then answers when Dawson orders him to) rather than answer on his own initiative). Furthermore, on the moment of being sentenced, he also needs to have it explained that, yes, they ''did'' commit a crime regardless and deserve a dishonorable discharge.



* FatalFlaw: With Jessup, it's the fact that he's a GungHolierThanThou hard-ass that doesn't tolerates his orders being questioned in any way, shape or form nor anybody else in the military performing in a way he thinks is poorly (even if justified because of such reasons like bad health or ''[[HeManWomanHater being a woman]]''). With Markinson, it's his UndyingLoyalty to Jessup even in the face of a crime that he acknowledges is going too far (and so when he's confronted with having to testify, and thus betray Jessup, [[DrivenToSuicide he decides to take the coward's way out]]).

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* FatalFlaw: With Jessup, it's the fact that he's a GungHolierThanThou hard-ass that doesn't tolerates his orders being questioned in any way, shape or form nor anybody else in the military performing in a way he thinks is poorly (even if justified because of such reasons like bad health or ''[[HeManWomanHater being a woman]]''). With Markinson, it's his UndyingLoyalty to Jessup even in the face of a crime that he acknowledges is going too far (and so when he's confronted with having to testify, and thus betray Jessup, [[DrivenToSuicide he decides to take the coward's way out]]).out]] and [[ItsAllMyFault puts the blame on his lack of willpower to prevent it on his letter to Santiago's mother]]).



* HeelRealization: Dawson realizes that they deserve [[spoiler: dishonorable discharges for "conduct unbecoming of a Marine"]] at the end. He even takes the time to explain it to [[TheDitz the amazingly slow-witted Downey]].

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* HeelRealization: Dawson realizes that they deserve [[spoiler: dishonorable [[spoiler:dishonorable discharges for "conduct unbecoming of a Marine"]] at the end. He even takes the time to explain it to [[TheDitz the amazingly slow-witted Downey]].



** Possibly justified also in that a dishonorable discharge is going to make it very hard to make a living in the civilan world as employers are going to be very wary to hire someone with a dishonorable discharge especially for manslaughter. [[spoiler: He ultimately gets it, anyway.]]

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** Possibly justified also in that a dishonorable discharge is going to make it very hard to make a living in the civilan world as employers are going to be very wary to hire someone with a dishonorable discharge especially for manslaughter. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He ultimately gets it, anyway.]]
29th Oct '17 9:01:31 AM XanderVJ
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* AssholeVictim: Santiago was TheLoad for his unit, and it's implied he tried to sell Dawson out for a transfer even though Dawson was his only ally.

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* AssholeVictim: It's implied Santiago was TheLoad for his unit, and it's implied he tried to sell Dawson out for a transfer even though Dawson was his only ally.
26th Oct '17 9:56:36 AM Gitman
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-->'''Kaffee:''' (with him) --fat lady sings. I walked into that one.

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-->'''Kaffee:''' (with him) --fat him) ...fat lady sings. I walked into that one.
26th Oct '17 9:53:47 AM Gitman
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'''Lt. Cmdr. Galloway:''' Certainly, sir.f

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'''Lt. Cmdr. Galloway:''' Certainly, sir.f
25th Oct '17 7:57:53 PM marcoasalazarm
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Markinson is in full dress uniform before shooting himself.]]

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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Markinson [[spoiler:Markinson is in full dress uniform before shooting himself.]]


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* FatalFlaw: With Jessup, it's the fact that he's a GungHolierThanThou hard-ass that doesn't tolerates his orders being questioned in any way, shape or form nor anybody else in the military performing in a way he thinks is poorly (even if justified because of such reasons like bad health or ''[[HeManWomanHater being a woman]]''). With Markinson, it's his UndyingLoyalty to Jessup even in the face of a crime that he acknowledges is going too far (and so when he's confronted with having to testify, and thus betray Jessup, [[DrivenToSuicide he decides to take the coward's way out]]).
25th Oct '17 7:34:54 PM marcoasalazarm
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** His "you can't handle the truth!" speech is essentially him making one of these about how the armed forces (and especially him) are a NecessaryEvil.

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** His "you can't handle the truth!" speech is essentially him making one of these about how the armed forces (and especially him) are a NecessaryEvil. It backfires -- doubly so on the play -- because [[NotHelpingYourCase it paints him further as a "my way or the highway, and to hell with all other laws set by man and God" tyrant]] to everybody else in the courtroom.
2nd Oct '17 7:21:15 PM ironballs16
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'''Kaffee''': [[BatmanGambit Crystal]]. Colonel, I just have one more question before I call Airman O'Malley and Airman Rodriguez. If ''you'' gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed... then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?

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'''Kaffee''': [[BatmanGambit [[EurekaMoment Crystal]]. Colonel, I just have one more question before I call Airman O'Malley and Airman Rodriguez. If ''you'' gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed... then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?
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