History Fanfic / WeaverNine

26th Nov '15 3:20:14 PM Leid
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Not a discussion, but it is pertinant. Don't whitewash it by hiding the unplesant facts.
* FinalSolution: The PRT has a blanket kill order on every and all members of the Society. Given that very few of them have committed crimes worthy of a death sentence, and the fact that quite a few of them are innocents who joined the Society in gratitude after the Society rescued them from slavery, unjust imprisonment, torture, or other terrible fates... it reeks of WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide.
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* FinalSolution: The PRT has a blanket kill order on every and all members of the Society. Given that very few Not all members of them have committed crimes worthy of a death sentence, and the fact that quite a few of them are innocents who joined the Society in gratitude after the Society deserve it given some were rescued them from slavery, unjust imprisonment, torture, bad places, but the the original members were part of the S9 who had kill orders, they do take in criminals and mass-murderers heading for the Birdcage like Tatu and Galvanate, and they do turn captives into tools through tampering with their heads or other terrible fates... it reeks of WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide.controlling them.
26th Nov '15 10:28:07 AM Racheakt
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** But, as also pointed out, they were started by people who already had kill orders from their time in the Slaughterhouse 9, some of their citizens are criminals or mass murderers (Tatu and Galvanate) who are not brought to justice but are kept on a leash, Weaver herself is ruthlessly pragmatic and has a very hard time feeling morality because of her time with the S9 and does recruit from a position of power that makes it seem like a gun to the head despite basically telling them they could walk away, and they do turn captives into tools through tampering with their heads or controlling them. They aren't doing themselves any favors there, using their reputation as a shield instead.
13th Aug '15 10:48:24 PM Leid
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* HumanResources: Enemy capes captured by the Society are turned into tools for their use.
13th Aug '15 11:49:51 AM Leid
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** But, as also pointed out, they were started by people who already had kill orders from their time in the Slaughterhouse 9, some of their citizens are criminals or mass murderers who are not brought to justice but are kept on a leash, Weaver herself is ruthlessly pragmatic and has a very hard time feeling morality because of her time with the S9 and does recruit from a position of power that makes it seem like a gun to the head despite basically telling them they could walk away, and they do turn captives into tools through tampering with their heads or controlling them. They aren't doing themselves any favors there, using their reputation as a shield instead.
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** But, as also pointed out, they were started by people who already had kill orders from their time in the Slaughterhouse 9, some of their citizens are criminals or mass murderers (Tatu and Galvanate) who are not brought to justice but are kept on a leash, Weaver herself is ruthlessly pragmatic and has a very hard time feeling morality because of her time with the S9 and does recruit from a position of power that makes it seem like a gun to the head despite basically telling them they could walk away, and they do turn captives into tools through tampering with their heads or controlling them. They aren't doing themselves any favors there, using their reputation as a shield instead.

* {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem like JoinOrDie is in effect.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion (like him whispering thoughts into their ears softly enough they'd think it was them) or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem like JoinOrDie is in effect.

* KillSat: [[spoiler:Weaver's Society employs an orbital railgun in the Brockton Bay fight against Leviathan. It's powerful enough to damage the continental slope... and still isn't enough to damage his core.]]
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* KillSat: [[spoiler:Weaver's Society employs an orbital railgun in the Brockton Bay fight against Leviathan.Leviathan, built by a Tinker named Coil (not the one in BB). It's powerful enough to damage the continental slope... and still isn't enough to damage his core.]]
13th Aug '15 10:38:30 AM Leid
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** But, as also pointed out, they were started by people who already had kill orders from their time in the Slaughterhouse 9, some of their citizens are criminals or mass murderers who are not brought to justice but are kept on a leash, Weaver herself is ruthlessly pragmatic and has a very hard time feeling morality because of her time with the S9 and does recruit from a position of power that makes it seem like a gun to the head despite basically telling them they could walk away, and they do turn captives into tools through tampering with their heads or controlling them. They aren't doing themselves any favors there, using their reputation as a shield instead.

* GreyAndGrayMorality: There are very few saints in the series, everyone is doing something that is shady to an extent and what matters is how they justify it.

* TotalitarianUtilitarian: Weaver, to a fair extent.
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* TotalitarianUtilitarian: Weaver, to a fair extent. She prioritizes capes because they can contribute more, any enemies who target them are basically turned into tools, she kills any threats to her Society to protect them, all of these things aren't morally right, but logistically they are practical.
13th Aug '15 9:44:35 AM Leid
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem like JoinOrDie is in effect.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem HitAndRunTactics: Weaver's Society operates like JoinOrDie is in effect.this during Endbringer battles. They test new abilities by seeing what works and then flee to leave the Endbringer to do its work, learning from the experience for the next time.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem like JoinOrDie is in effect.
13th Aug '15 8:42:25 AM Leid
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* BreakingThemByTalking: Tattletale's specialty.
13th Aug '15 8:41:42 AM Leid
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* HeelFaceBrainWashing: Weaver makes plans to do this with her bugs in the first chapter, turning capes who hate them into allies. Later on we learn that she also use Master powers, using enemies as as expendable prisoners or weapons rather than allies.
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* HeelFaceBrainWashing: Weaver makes plans to do this with her bugs in the first chapter, turning capes who hate them into allies. Later on we learn that she also use Master powers, powers (like Regent's), using enemies as and clones that have been lobotomized as expendable prisoners or weapons rather than allies.allies. * {{Hypocrite}}: Screamer himself notes that while Taylor doesn't want to recruit through coercion or force, she's more than willing to have Tattletale ferret out secrets to use or try recruiting when they're in a position where she gives a show of strength that makes it seem like JoinOrDie is in effect.
13th Aug '15 2:24:29 AM Leid
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* NotSoDifferent: Cauldron and the Society both have the same end-goal in mind with dealing with the end of the world. The difference is that Cauldron focuses on the goal of saving as many human lives when Scion does go rogue, while Weaver is focused on saving as many parahuman lives. It bleeds over into OpposingCombatPhilosophies.
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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferent: ** Weaver notes that Coil and her had similar ideals, only his were marred forcibly recruitment and the fact that she had more power at the moment. --> '''Weaver:''' What doomed him was simply the difference in our motivations. In a choice between Coil's organization and my own, I would put my Society first. And who would make better use of Alcott's power - Coil with his modest resources and small ambitions of taking over a city, or my Society with the power to topple governments when we so chose? There was also the matter of morality. Coil's plan involved drugging Alcott into compliance, while I refused to recruit my citizens by force. ** Cauldron and the Society both have the same end-goal in mind with dealing with the end of the world. The difference is that Cauldron focuses on the goal of saving as many human lives when Scion does go rogue, while Weaver the Society is focused on saving as many parahuman lives. It bleeds over into OpposingCombatPhilosophies.
13th Aug '15 2:13:40 AM Leid
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* TaughtByExperience: One of the reasons that Weaver doesn't like recruiting allies by coercion is that King did the same to her and she killed him for it, so she wasn't going to repeat that mistake out of both morals and pragmatism. This is also how they deal with progressing in facing off against Endbringers.
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