History FanFic / JustAnUnorthodoxThief

27th Jul '17 9:37:52 PM YuushaFan
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** [[spoiler:Jigen's death scene is set up to be similar to that in ''manga/{{Trigun}}'', where its protagonist finds himself conversing with a slowly dying rival/best friend.]]

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** [[spoiler:Jigen's death scene is set up to be similar to that in ''manga/{{Trigun}}'', ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'', where its protagonist finds himself conversing with a slowly dying rival/best friend.]]
27th Jul '17 9:36:41 PM YuushaFan
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** [[spoiler:Jigen's death scene is set up to be similar to that in ''manga/Trigun'', where its protagonist finds himself conversing with a slowly dying rival/best friend.]]

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** [[spoiler:Jigen's death scene is set up to be similar to that in ''manga/Trigun'', ''manga/{{Trigun}}'', where its protagonist finds himself conversing with a slowly dying rival/best friend.]]
27th Jul '17 9:35:34 PM YuushaFan
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** [[spoiler:Jigen's death scene is set up to be similar to that in ''manga/Trigun'', where its protagonist finds himself conversing with a slowly dying rival/best friend.]]
19th Jul '17 11:48:30 AM Pastykake
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* IJustWantToBeNormal: At its core, [[spoiler:Saber]]'s true wish is to have a normal life instead of feeling trapped by fate to [[spoiler:be an ideal king]].



* IJustWantToBeNormal: [[spoiler: Saber's real wish.]]



* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal a normal life]]. The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]

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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber [[spoiler:Saber]] has a chance to achieve her [[spoiler:her]] most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal a [[spoiler:a normal life]]. The Grail grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, claiming that the fate of [[spoiler:her people and Camelot]] would be essentially the same. [[spoiler:Saber]] realizes this is the first and probably last time [[spoiler:she]] can make a free choice, unburdened by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, outside influences. [[spoiler:She]] refuses the grail's offer, strikes down the grail down, grail, and knows that she [[spoiler:she]] will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]
16th Jul '17 9:19:06 PM Pastykake
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Kireiís general opinion of Lupinís antics.

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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Kireiís general opinion of Lupinís antics.antics is amusement despite them not being something he would expect to find funny.



* BreakingSpeech: Lupin gives Lancer such a good one about his blind obedience to chivalry and Saber's willingness to put her honor aside that Lancer has a brief HeroicBSOD.

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* BreakingSpeech: BreakThemByTalking:
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Lupin gives Lancer such a good one Breaking Speech about his blind obedience to chivalry and Saber's willingness to put her honor aside that Lancer has a brief HeroicBSOD.HeroicBSOD.
** Angra Mainyu gives each of the final Servants a vision of their deepest desire made real and tries to talk them into wishing upon the Holy Grail.



* CantKillYouStillNeedYou: The only reason Assassin doesn't kill Kiritsugu for sending [[spoiler:Pycal]] after him and causing a mess is because he wants to steal Excalibur from Saber and without Kiristugu, Saber will disappear.

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* CantKillYouStillNeedYou: CantKillYouStillNeedYou:
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The only reason Assassin doesn't kill Kiritsugu for sending [[spoiler:Pycal]] after him and causing a mess is because he wants to steal Excalibur from Saber and without Kiristugu, Saber will disappear.disappear.
** Downplayed. Kirei doesn't leave his last opponent in the war to die from [[spoiler:the Angra Mainyu sludge]] because if Kirei is the last competitor alive, he'll have no one to steal the Holy Grail from.



** To protect Lupin from his father, Kirei claims that Lupin was acting on his orders in [[spoiler:killing Caster]]. He is also surprised that [[spoiler:he felt joy when he thought about sinners being punished for their crimes]].

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** To protect Lupin from his father, Kirei claims that Lupin was acting on his orders in [[spoiler:killing Caster]]. He is also surprised that [[spoiler:he felt joy when he thought about sinners being punished for their crimes]]. At the climax, he reflects on how different he is from the man he was before meeting Assassin, including the fact that he has just saved someone's life when even a few days earlier he would have left them to die. (It's purely a self-serving gesture; his interests are what have changed.)



* ChekhovsSkill: Lupin/Assassin's most iconic Noble Phantasm is claiming ownership on any item he steals. This allows him to prevent Archer's weapons to return back to the Gate of Babylon, to use and modify [[spoiler: Lancer's weapon after he died]], and even [[spoiler: [[CrazyEnoughToWork hijack the Holy Grail itself by touching the avatar]]]] at the climax.

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* ChekhovsSkill: Lupin/Assassin's most iconic Noble Phantasm is claiming ownership on any item he steals. This allows him to prevent Archer's weapons to return back from returning to the Gate of Babylon, to use and modify [[spoiler: Lancer's weapon after he died]], and even [[spoiler: [[CrazyEnoughToWork hijack the Holy Grail itself by touching the avatar]]]] at the climax.avatar]]]].



* DyingCurse: [[spoiler:Angra Mainyu lays down a whammy of a curse on Saber after she rejects and destroys it, damning her to eternal life until a member of the Lupin bloodline kills her as well as changing her appearance to be similar to Irisviel's as a reminder of her failures.]]

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* DyingCurse: [[spoiler:Angra Mainyu lays down Mainyu]] gives a whammy of a curse on to Saber after she [[spoiler:she rejects and destroys it, it]], damning her to eternal [[spoiler:eternal life until a member of the Lupin bloodline kills her as well as changing her appearance body to be similar to Irisviel's as a reminder of her failures.]]Irisviel's, including the excruciating pain Irisviel was in right before she died]].



* GenreSavvy: Assassin is onto [[spoiler:Angra Mainyu]]'s true nature from the beginning. He repeatedly tells [[spoiler:it]] to cut the bullshit and does a better job of defending his argument than [[spoiler:Saber]] does.



* HumansAreBastards: Being a conceptual existence representing All the Evils of the World, Angra Mainyu sees humans this way, and it [[InvokedTrope invokes]] this in the visions it gives [[spoiler:Assassin]] and [[spoiler:Saber]] of their respective deepest desires being fulfilled. [[spoiler:Assassin]] lampshades this, and the two of them [[DiscussedTrope argue]] about it for a bit.



** She's not wrong about the cosplayers, but from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' we know that this wording describes Saber's motivation for winning the Holy Grail pretty well. She wants to use the Holy Grail to erase her rule as KingArthur by choosing not to pull the sword from the stone, ignoring all the good she did as king and trying to become someone else.
** Subverted in the sense that her wish is to redo her life during Fate/Zero, not get somebody else to become King. That wish manifested out of her belief that she was unworthy to be king, not that she wanted to be someone else.

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** She's ::She's not wrong about the cosplayers, but from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' we know that this wording describes Saber's motivation for winning the Holy Grail pretty well. She wants to use the Holy Grail to erase her rule as KingArthur by choosing not to pull the sword from the stone, ignoring all the good she did as king and trying to become someone else.
** %%** Subverted in the sense that her wish is to redo her life during Fate/Zero, ''Fate/Zero'', not get somebody else to become King. king. That wish manifested out of her belief that she was unworthy to be king, not that she wanted to be someone else.else.
%%*** What? Saber says in ''Fate/Zero'' that she wants to go back to the day she pulled the sword from the stone and not pull it, so that she won't be king, because she blames her rule for Camelot's downfall. Yes, she wants to be someone other than the king, and yes, she wants someone else to be king.



* ResignedToTheCall: Sort of. Saber resents being [[TheChosenOne fated to be the ideal king]]. She is shown a vision of herself living a normal life in the countryside with a family, and has the chance to make it real by wishing upon the Holy Grail. She realizes this is the first time she is truly free to make her own decision. She chooses to be a hero, and reject the DealWithTheDevil.



* {{Sadist}}: In a similar vein to ''Fate/Zero'', Kotomine Kirei is a budding sadist living in denial. Unlike ''Fate/Zero'', Lupin is here to prevent Kirei from going full blown For The Evulz-mode and help him find enjoyment in (slightly) more moral ways. See Smiting Evil Feels Good below.

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* {{Sadist}}: In a similar vein to ''Fate/Zero'', Kotomine Kirei is a budding sadist living in denial. Unlike ''Fate/Zero'', Lupin is here to prevent Kirei from going full blown For The the Evulz-mode and help him find enjoyment in (slightly) more moral ways. See Smiting Evil Feels Good below.



* ShutUpHannibal: Before their battle Rider tries to criticize Saber's kingship and wish like in canon, but by this point in the fic Saber's heard it all before and just doesn't ''care'', telling Rider that she's long stopped caring what other people think of her life. This makes Rider begin to respect her.

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* ShutUpHannibal: Before their battle Rider tries to criticize Saber's kingship and wish like in canon, but by this point in the fic Saber's heard it all before and just doesn't ''care'', telling ''care''. She tells Rider that she's long stopped caring what other people think of her life. This life, which makes Rider begin to respect her.



* SignificantWardrobeShift: The story points out the many outfits Lupin's worn over the years throughout the series, and note that they often come with a change in attitude. Naturally, Lupin changes into these outfits whenever the appropriate mood strikes him.

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* SignificantWardrobeShift: The story points out the many outfits Lupin's worn over the years throughout the series, and note notes that they often come with a change in attitude. Naturally, Lupin changes into these outfits whenever the appropriate mood strikes him.
25th Jun '17 12:37:55 PM SpaceCowboy
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** [[spoiler: The Grail]] uses lyrics from "[[Music/TheRollingStones Sympathy For The Devil]]" to clue in [[spoiler: Lupin to what its true identity is]].
24th Jun '17 5:56:06 AM SpaceCowboy
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal: a normal life]]. [[spoiler: The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]

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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal: [[IJustWantToBeNormal a normal life]]. [[spoiler: The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]
24th Jun '17 5:54:53 AM SpaceCowboy
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal: a normal life]]. The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]

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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal: a normal life]]. [[spoiler: The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]
23rd Jun '17 9:00:26 PM Kishou
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* ChekhovsSkill: Lupin/Assassin's most iconic Noble Phantasm is claiming ownership on any item he steals. This allows him to prevent Archer's weapons to return back to the Gate of Babylon, to use and modify [[spoiler: Lancer's weapon after he died]], and even [[spoiler: [[CrazyEnoughToWork hijack the Holy Grail itself by touching the avatar]]]] at the climax.



* IJustWantToBeNormal: [[spoiler: Saber's real wish.]]



** [[CharacterDevelopment Saber]] attacks Assassin from behind when [[spoiler:he's the only thing between her and the Holy Grail]], though he manages to turn around and takes the slash from the front. Immediately after, [[spoiler:he shoots her from behind. When he picks up Excalibur, in desperation she picks up the gun and shoots him five times in the back]].

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** [[CharacterDevelopment Saber]] attacks Assassin from behind when [[spoiler:he's the only thing between her and the Holy Grail]], though he manages to turn around and takes the slash from the front. Immediately after, [[spoiler:he shoots her from behind. When he picks up Excalibur, Excalibur and laments about killing Irisviel, in desperation she picks up the gun and shoots him five times in the back]].



* {{Ubermensch}}: Assassin lives by his own rules and no one else's.

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* {{Ubermensch}}: Assassin lives by his own rules and no one else's. And although he has no real reason/wish to obtain the grail besides it being there, [[spoiler: it turns out he wants everyone else to make their own rules as well, as seen in Kirei, Saber, and the grail's illusions.]]


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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: [[spoiler: Saber has a chance to achieve her most desired wish: [[IJustWantToBeNormal: a normal life]]. The Grail makes a convincing argument to make that wish, by consequence of causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Saber refuses, strikes the grail down, and knows that she will likely never be recognized for doing this.]]
23rd Jun '17 6:22:48 PM Xorn15
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* DyingCurse: [[spoiler:Angra Mainyu lays down a whammy of a curse on Saber after she rejects and destroys it, damning her to eternal life until a member of the Lupin bloodline kills her as well as changing her appearance to be similar to Irisviel's as a reminder of her failures.]]
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