History FanFic / Echoes

25th May '16 5:52:06 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* BreakThemByTalking: All over the place but the biggest one was in the ''very first chapter'' with Orochimaru [[HannibalHasAPoint pointing out that Kazama has learned nothing while training under Jiraiya.]] It started the whole plot!

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* BreakThemByTalking: All over the place but the biggest one was in the ''very first chapter'' with Orochimaru [[HannibalHasAPoint pointing out that Kazama has learned nothing while training under Jiraiya.]] Jiraiya. It started the whole plot!
9th Feb '16 3:30:12 PM HighCrate
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* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: [[spoiler:[[TragicVillain Five]]]] is ridiculously GenreSavvy. He knows how an Orwellian dystopia works perfectly. Amaterasu is secretly this, but due to his [[HonorBeforeReason code of honor]] he acts [[ContractualGenreBlindness Contractually Genre Blind]]. Kakuzu is also DangerouslyGenreSavvy. He knows every shonen fighting trope like he knows every ryo he's collected. The Sanbi was also this. It went out of its way to learn jutsu and uses strategey unlike its brethren who's most sophisticated tactic is to make a Bijuu Dama.
17th Sep '15 8:28:15 AM HighCrate
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* CompetitiveBalance: Early chapters have categorized Ninjutsu into five different styles.
** [[color:red:Vermillion Bird]] --> GlassCannon
** [[color:blue:Azure Dragon]] --> JackOfAllStats
** [[color:lightgrey:White Tiger]] --> FragileSpeedster
** [[color:black:Black Tortoise]] --> StoneWall
** [[color:gold:Golden Unicorn]] --> MightyGlacier

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* %%* CompetitiveBalance: Early chapters have categorized Ninjutsu into five different styles.
** [[color:red:Vermillion Bird]] --> GlassCannon
** [[color:blue:Azure Dragon]] --> JackOfAllStats
** [[color:lightgrey:White Tiger]] --> FragileSpeedster
** [[color:black:Black Tortoise]] --> StoneWall
** [[color:gold:Golden Unicorn]] --> MightyGlacier
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1st Jun '15 11:49:09 AM Willbyr
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** During the fight against the [[spoiler:resurrected Third Raikage]], the Dark Wolf begins chanting about [[Warhammer40K "Blood for the Blood God"]],and [[Warhammer40K "Skulls for the Skull Throne."]]

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** During the fight against the [[spoiler:resurrected Third Raikage]], the Dark Wolf begins chanting about [[Warhammer40K [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} "Blood for the Blood God"]],and [[Warhammer40K God" and "Skulls for the Skull Throne."]]
9th May '15 6:20:09 PM thezogg
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* TheGift: Deconstructed with Minato. Him being better at everything than everyone else makes him StupidGood and him having to deal with actual failure sends him into a spiral of self destructive tendency due to his pride and not being very good at dealing with failure.
* GenerationXerox: Inverted with Sasuke and Naruto and their mothers, Mikoto and Kushina. Naruto obsesses over Sasuke while Sasuke doesn't care. Mikoto on the other hand is hinted to have wanted much more than friendship from Kushina in at least one world, while Kushina sees her as just a friend.

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* TheGift: Deconstructed with Minato. Him being better at everything than everyone else makes him StupidGood and him having to deal with actual failure sends him into a spiral of self destructive tendency due to his pride and not being very good at dealing with failure.
* GenerationXerox: Inverted with Sasuke and Naruto and their mothers, Mikoto and Kushina. Naruto obsesses over Sasuke while Sasuke doesn't care. Mikoto on the other hand is hinted to have wanted much more than friendship from Kushina in at least one world, three worlds, while Kushina sees her as just a friend.friend [[spoiler: Sasuke is later shown to have inherited his mother's crazy when she goes for revenge. Mikoto proves to be ''far'' more DeadlyThanTheMale.]]



** The whole Ninja Messiah plan and the Moon's Eye plan has been reduced to this because of free will.

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** The whole Ninja Messiah plan Child of the Prophecy and the Moon's Eye plan has been reduced to this because of free will.



** The Kyuubi attack - whether Madara found immortality/longevity or not, ''someone'' orchestrates it unless things were ''very'' different in the backstory (such as in the Distopia-verse). One of few varients is where Sakura, not Naruto, is the jinchuuriki instead.

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** The Kyuubi attack - whether Madara found immortality/longevity or not, ''someone'' orchestrates it unless things were ''very'' different in the backstory (such as in the Distopia-verse). Dystopia-verse). One of few varients variants is where Sakura, not Naruto, is the jinchuuriki instead.



* JadeColoredGlasses: Everyone in this fic except [[PuritySue Naruko]] wear Jade Colored Glasses of various shades. It's actually healthy in this fic to be cynical to a certain degree, but Kazama has recently become the most cynical, beating Sasori in the cynicism department. He wears JadeColoredGlasses the size of Kamina's shades.

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* JadeColoredGlasses: Everyone in this fic except [[PuritySue Naruko]] wear Jade Colored Glasses of various shades. It's actually healthy in this fic to be cynical to a certain degree, but Kazama has recently become the most cynical, beating Sasori in the cynicism department. He wears JadeColoredGlasses the size of Kamina's shades.



* ShootTheDog: All of the Naruto's except Naruko have had to make or made morally qustionable decisions. Kazama killed Sai in the first chapter in self-defense. Chibaku's use of this trope is the most blantant [[spoiler:when he killed N.]] And finally there are Kitsune's many, many killing sprees.

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* ShootTheDog: All of the Naruto's except Naruko have had to make or made morally qustionable questionable decisions. Kazama killed Sai in the first chapter in self-defense. Chibaku's use of this trope is the most blantant blatant [[spoiler:when he killed N.]] And finally there are Kitsune's many, many killing sprees.



* TheStarscream: [[spoiler: Kazama]] makes it very clear to Tsukiyomi that he will kill him either the first chance he gets, or when Tsukiyomi teaches him all he needs to know. Overlaps with him being a BastardUnderstudy. [[spoiler: Izanami]] successfuly Starscreamed her [[spoiler:misogynistic Madara]] when he tried to pull a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on her. This also helped seal her [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bitch]] status.
** It seems to be a common multiversal occurance for [[spoiler: Fugaku]] to be Minato's [[TheStarscream Starscream.]] And he has a frightenly good track record. Although [[spoiler: Itachi]] usually gives him what he deserves. Though in one universe he got what was coming to him in the form of [[spoiler: his own wife killing him.]] The [[spoiler: Godaime!Itachi]] world subverted this, though.

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* TheStarscream: [[spoiler: Kazama]] makes it very clear to Tsukiyomi that he will kill him either the first chance he gets, or when Tsukiyomi teaches him all he needs to know. Overlaps with him being a BastardUnderstudy. [[spoiler: Izanami]] successfuly successfully Starscreamed her [[spoiler:misogynistic Madara]] when he tried to pull a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on her. This also helped seal her [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bitch]] status.
** It seems to be a common multiversal occurance occurrence for [[spoiler: Fugaku]] Fugaku and Mikoto]] to be Minato's and Kushina [[TheStarscream Starscream.]] And he has a frightenly frighteningly good track record. Although [[spoiler: Itachi]] usually gives him what he deserves. Though in one universe he got what was coming to him in the form of [[spoiler: his own wife killing him. One version of Mikoto got such a horrible fate that a self-professed misanthrope was disturbed.]] The [[spoiler: Godaime!Itachi]] world subverted this, though.



* TookALevelInBadass: Pretty much everyone from canon, but Kakashi/Kamui takes the cake. Once he decides to get over his {{Wangst}}, and DeathSeeker habits he figures out how too use the Susanoo jutsu (with ONLY ONE SHARINGAN), and [[spoiler:kills the Raikage.]] Damn, a pretty big improvement from the unmotivated loser from {{Canon}}.

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* TookALevelInBadass: Pretty much everyone from canon, but Kakashi/Kamui takes the cake. Once he decides to get over his {{Wangst}}, and DeathSeeker habits he figures out how too use the Susanoo jutsu (with ONLY ONE SHARINGAN), one sharingan), and [[spoiler:kills the Raikage.]] Damn, a pretty big improvement from the unmotivated loser from {{Canon}}.



* TraumaCongaLine: The author uses this trope to great effect. He's like Shakespeare with this trope. He always finds a way to ruin his main characters lives, often putting them in positions where they have to make [[ShootTheDog rather questionable decisions]] or make their backstories even more tragic - except Naruko, she's had it ridiculously easy compared to everyone else. But this is a case of TropesAreNotBad. A lot of great CharacterDevelopment comes out of their trauma. The Most Triumphant Example is the Alive!Yondaime World Minato. With an excellent TraumaCongaLine he turned a boring CanonSue into an interesting and sympathetic BrokenAce.
* {{Ubermensch}}: Tsukiyomi is an evil one. He even calls his idealology the Will to Power. Kazama is becoming one by rejecting all of Konoha's beliefs and starting his own clan. [[spoiler: But has recently devolved into a NietzscheWannabe.]] Kazama has recently recovered but his idealogy has become noticably DarkerAndEdgier revolving around a mixture of MightMakesRight, RightMakesMight, HumansAreFlawed, and an {{Inversion}} of TheNeedsOfTheMany. Naruko ''thinks'' she's one, but since she has the personality of the canon Naruto and this story is a {{Deconstruction}} she sort of comes off as an idiot.

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* TraumaCongaLine: The author uses this trope to great effect. He's like Shakespeare with this trope. He always finds a way to ruin his main characters lives, often putting them in positions where they have to make [[ShootTheDog rather questionable decisions]] or make their backstories even more tragic - except Naruko, she's had it ridiculously easy compared to everyone else. But this is a case of TropesAreNotBad. A lot of great CharacterDevelopment comes out of their trauma. The Most Triumphant Example is the Alive!Yondaime World Minato. With an excellent TraumaCongaLine he turned a boring CanonSue into an interesting and sympathetic BrokenAce.
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* {{Ubermensch}}: Tsukiyomi is an evil one. He even calls his idealology the Will to Power. Kazama is becoming one by rejecting all of Konoha's beliefs and starting his own clan. [[spoiler: But has recently devolved into a NietzscheWannabe.]] Kazama has recently recovered but his idealogy has become noticably noticeably DarkerAndEdgier revolving around a mixture of MightMakesRight, RightMakesMight, HumansAreFlawed, and an {{Inversion}} of TheNeedsOfTheMany. Naruko ''thinks'' she's one, but since she has the personality of the canon Naruto and this story is a {{Deconstruction}} she sort of comes off as an idiot.



** Yagura has a extemely twisted Type I with the Sanbi - it's probably the only thing he cares about, they come up with new torture techniques together, and they worked together to create their genocide program. Yagura even calls it "Dear Isobu".
** Tsukiyomi and [[spoiler: Kazama]] are begining to form a mixture of a Type I and a Type II. Tsukiyomi honestly seems to like [[spoiler: Kazama]] and treats him like the son he always wanted, and goes out of his way to help [[spoiler: Kazama]] with his goals and gives him solid advice... while [[spoiler: Kazama]] makes it clear that he's a BastardUnderstudy and will [[TheStarscream Starscream]] Tsukiyomi the first chance he gets. But at the same time, [[spoiler: Kazama]] admits that he's never had a better father figure.

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** Yagura has a extemely extremely twisted Type I with the Sanbi - it's probably the only thing he cares about, they come up with new torture techniques together, and they worked together to create their genocide program. Yagura even calls it "Dear Isobu".
** Tsukiyomi and [[spoiler: Kazama]] are begining beginning to form a mixture of a Type I and a Type II. Tsukiyomi honestly seems to like [[spoiler: Kazama]] and treats him like the son he always wanted, and goes out of his way to help [[spoiler: Kazama]] with his goals and gives him solid advice... while [[spoiler: Kazama]] makes it clear that he's a BastardUnderstudy and will [[TheStarscream Starscream]] Tsukiyomi the first chance he gets. But at the same time, [[spoiler: Kazama]] admits that he's never had a better father figure.
31st Mar '15 12:34:25 AM jormis29
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* CoolSword: The Kusanagi, Orochimaru's [[spoiler:and later Kazama's]] sword has a far deeper and more powerful backstory than its {{canon}} counterpart. First of all, it was used to kill the ''real'' Yamato-no-Orochi, second, it is the REAL Susanoo's sword.

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* CoolSword: The Kusanagi, {{Kusanagi}}, Orochimaru's [[spoiler:and later Kazama's]] sword has a far deeper and more powerful backstory than its {{canon}} counterpart. First of all, it was used to kill the ''real'' Yamato-no-Orochi, second, it is the REAL Susanoo's sword.



* YouKillItYouBoughtIt: The only way to gain the [[CoolSword Kusanagi's]] full power and loyalty is by killing its previous owner.

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* YouKillItYouBoughtIt: The only way to gain the [[CoolSword Kusanagi's]] {{Kusanagi}}'s full power and loyalty is by killing its previous owner.
24th Mar '15 8:51:04 PM nombretomado
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* TheNeedsOfTheMany: Minato believes in the FateStayNight maxim of "sacrifice the one to save the many". He basically admits to Kazama that he will willingly sacrifice his family to create peace. In a complete contrast to his father, Kazama believes in a {{Inverted}} version of this trope - that only a handful of people deserve salvation. If any of [[Manga/{{Naruto}} the original series' philosophy]] remains intact, this is ''[[OhCrap not]]'' a good thing.

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* TheNeedsOfTheMany: Minato believes in the FateStayNight ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' maxim of "sacrifice the one to save the many". He basically admits to Kazama that he will willingly sacrifice his family to create peace. In a complete contrast to his father, Kazama believes in a {{Inverted}} version of this trope - that only a handful of people deserve salvation. If any of [[Manga/{{Naruto}} the original series' philosophy]] remains intact, this is ''[[OhCrap not]]'' a good thing.



* ShoutOut: Amaterasu is one giant call-back to [[FateStayNight a certain King of Heroes]].

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* ShoutOut: Amaterasu is one giant call-back to [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight a certain King of Heroes]].



** The Minato from the Alternate Amegakure arc wants to be a [[FateStayNight Hero of Justice]]. A FateStayNight Hero of Justice. [[{{Understatement}} He doesn't know what he's getting into]]. Wonder if we'll meet a Counter Guardian NAMIKAZE soon?

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** The Minato from the Alternate Amegakure arc wants to be a [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Hero of Justice]]. A FateStayNight ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' Hero of Justice. [[{{Understatement}} He doesn't know what he's getting into]]. Wonder if we'll meet a Counter Guardian NAMIKAZE soon?
7th Feb '15 3:45:37 AM MarkKB
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[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Echoes The Echoes Character Sheets]].

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[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Echoes [[Characters/{{Echoes}} The Echoes Character Sheets]].
1st Nov '14 11:54:20 PM TitoMosquito
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--> SixthRanger: [[spoiler:[[AwesomeEgo Manda]]]]: Joins in the end to save [[spoiler:Orochimaru]] and Sasori from [[spoiler:the Juubi]].

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--> SixthRanger: [[spoiler:[[AwesomeEgo Manda]]]]: Joins in the end to save [[spoiler:Orochimaru]] and Sasori from [[spoiler:the Juubi]].



** TheKirk: Amaterasu, despite being a BloodKnight tends to act as the mediator between Tsukiyomi and Susanoo. [[spoiler: With his death, there are now hints that Tsukiyomi and Susanoo are plotting to [[TheStarscream Starscream]] each other. Unless Izanami takes his place...?]]

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** TheKirk: Amaterasu, despite being a BloodKnight tends to act as the mediator between Tsukiyomi and Susanoo. [[spoiler: With his death, there are now hints that Tsukiyomi and Susanoo are plotting to [[TheStarscream Starscream]] each other. Unless Izanami takes his place...?]] ?]]



* OlderHeroVsYoungerVillain: [[spoiler: This is [[BigGood Orochimaru]] and [[PsychopathicManchild Alpha's]] basic relationship, although Alpha takes it much more personally than Orochimaru, who just wants to defeat her to save the world.]]

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* OlderHeroVsYoungerVillain: [[spoiler: This is [[BigGood Orochimaru]] and [[PsychopathicManchild Alpha's]] basic relationship, although Alpha takes it much more personally than Orochimaru, who just wants to defeat her to save the world.]] ]]



* PassingTheTorch: The Will of Fire has suffered a brutal deconstruction in this story. It is pointed out that the Will of Fire passes ''everything'' down to the next generation, including things like hatred, bigotry, revenge, and racism, which in turn creates people like [[RightWingedMilitaryFanatic Danzo]], [[DarkMessiah Kazama]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Kitsune]], and [[OmnicidalManiac Kitsune's Kyuubi]]. Realistically, the Will of Fire actually ''propagates'' the CycleOfHatred, not stops it. Pretty much every Naruto's suffering is ''caused'' by the Will of Fire due to the hatred that is passed down from adults to children. And let's not get started about what it did to the [[CrapsackWorld Dystopia-verse...]]

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* PassingTheTorch: The Will of Fire has suffered a brutal deconstruction in this story. It is pointed out that the Will of Fire passes ''everything'' down to the next generation, including things like hatred, bigotry, revenge, and racism, which in turn creates people like [[RightWingedMilitaryFanatic Danzo]], [[DarkMessiah Kazama]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Kitsune]], and [[OmnicidalManiac Kitsune's Kyuubi]]. Realistically, the Will of Fire actually ''propagates'' the CycleOfHatred, not stops it. Pretty much every Naruto's suffering is ''caused'' by the Will of Fire due to the hatred that is passed down from adults to children. And let's not get started about what it did to the [[CrapsackWorld Dystopia-verse...]] ]]



** This is not unnoticed by the author, and it is being lampshaded, justified and deconstructed along the way.

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** This is not unnoticed by the author, and it is being lampshaded, justified and deconstructed along the way.



* ShootTheDog: All of the Naruto's except Naruko have had to make or made morally qustionable decisions. Kazama killed Sai in the first chapter in self-defense. Chibaku's use of this trope is the most blantant [[spoiler:when he killed N.]] And finally there are Kitsune's many, many killing sprees.

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* ShootTheDog: All of the Naruto's except Naruko have had to make or made morally qustionable decisions. Kazama killed Sai in the first chapter in self-defense. Chibaku's use of this trope is the most blantant [[spoiler:when he killed N.]] And finally there are Kitsune's many, many killing sprees.



* ShoutOut: Amaterasu is one giant call-back to [[FateStayNight a certain King of Heroes]].

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* ShoutOut: Amaterasu is one giant call-back to [[FateStayNight a certain King of Heroes]].



** [[spoiler:Five forces Haku to do this.]] He even says "What took you so long?" as he dies.

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** [[spoiler:Five forces Haku to do this.]] He even says "What took you so long?" as he dies.



** The author relates Yagura's poor fighting skills to the canon Naruto. Yagura prioritizes ninjutsu boosted by his own Tailed Beast and relies on it.

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** The author relates Yagura's poor fighting skills to the canon Naruto. Yagura prioritizes ninjutsu boosted by his own Tailed Beast and relies on it.



* TooDumbToLive: There seems to be something in the water in Ame, the citizens...aren't that smart, Yahiko tried to appeal to an insane war-mongering cannibal with peace, and [[spoiler: the Madara that lived there]] thought treating the woman in charge with keeping him alive like shit was a good idea

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* TooDumbToLive: There seems to be something in the water in Ame, the citizens...aren't that smart, Yahiko tried to appeal to an insane war-mongering cannibal with peace, and [[spoiler: the Madara that lived there]] thought treating the woman in charge with keeping him alive like shit was a good idea idea.
1st Nov '14 10:15:12 AM thezogg
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* ParentalNeglect: Kazama's Minato and Kushina could be seen as doing this to their son. In Kazama's world Kushina could of [[TakingYouWithMe taken the Kyuubi down with her]] and they had the option to ''not'' seal it into their son. But instead they both sealed the Kyuubi inside of Kazama turning him into their weapon based on the [[InsaneTrollLogic rather shoddy logic that destiny would take care of their son and turn him into the Ninja Messiah]]... Dick move, you two. Totally dick move.
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