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->"''The Dream of Zeal is alive!''"
-->'''Sargon''', to Melchior and Belthasar

''Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes'' is a FanSequel to ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', taking place before ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''. Through a series of fateful events, its formal release to the public in May 2009 after five years of development was thwarted when they reported [[ScrewedByTheLawyers Square Enix sent them a Cease and Desist letter]].

Though the project was cancelled under fear of litigation, the incident led to massive InternetBackdraft in three forms, one consisting of fans of both the series and the project railing on SquareEnix for shutting down the project, another consisting of skeptical fans thinking the whole thing is/was a publicity stunt for attention (in particular, noting inconsistencies with ''actual'' C&Ds sent by Squeenix and the plethora of non-C&D'd projects based on Squeenix properties), and a third consisting of copyright-supportive fans and legal brains railing against the modders for using SquareEnix's stuff in the project. It generated significant coverage in high-profile gaming blogs that led to the mod getting notice from Slashdot and Google News.

Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of a beta version that was 95% complete[[note]](Its completion percentage was confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro" - who used it for the [=FoE=] project from then on.)[[/note]] [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.

Recently, a different team has started an alternate project consisting in modifying ''Crimson Echoes'', with a different story and events. The project is named ''[[http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/ Chrono Trigger: Flames of Eternity]]'' and has the tagline "''The Rage of the Ages burns for Eternity...''"

If a Trope already applies to ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' proper, it probably shouldn't be duplicated here.
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!!This [[strike:ROM hack]] interactive FanFiction provides examples of:
* AccidentalMurder: Poor [[spoiler:Schala]].
* ActionGirl: Ayla, again. This time with bigger, badder techs!
* ActionMom: [[spoiler:Ayla.]]
* AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent
* ArtifactOfDoom: The Frozen Flame, obviously. Lots, and lots, and [[OverlyLongGag looooots]] of [[DoomyDoomsOfDoom DOOM]].
* AuthorTract: '''KING ALPHARD ZEAL, [[ThisIsForEmphasisBitch BITCHES]]!!!'''
* BackFromTheDead: Schala is revived at the very beginning. [[spoiler:At the end, Magus catches King Zeal as he falls out of [[TheNothingAfterDeath the Darkness Beyond Time]] after the FinalBoss Battle and heals/revives him.]]
* BadFuture: Happens multiple times, as time travelers keep screwing with the timeline.
* {{Badass}}: Again, Glenn and Magus. King Zeal also counts, considering that, unlike the rest of his family, [[spoiler:he's able to control Lavos]].
* BadAssArmy: The Vanguard, started by the equally as BadAss Glenn.
* BadassBoast: "Death is nothing to the Reaper!"
* BadassNormal: Sometimes it seems like Agent 12 is getting more done than the player's party.
* BigBad: Unlike its prequel and sequel, it's not Lavos, but rather King Zeal. Unlike the rest of his family, [[spoiler:he's even able to control Lavos]].
* BlatantLies: The members of Project Xamoltan claim to observe historical events and never interfere, contrasting them with our heroes. However, the very first time we see a Xamoltan, he's directly participating in and interfering with a historical event, [[spoiler: wiping out humanity and sentencing Marle to death]]. Of course nobody from the current timeline is aware of this, and since it's never brought up again it may just be a PlotHole.
* BreatherEpisode: The party in prehistory, which comes after [[spoiler:the restoration of the original timeline after its swapping with the Reptite one.]] However, another WhamEpisode follows...
* ButtMonkey: Dalton.
* ButThouMust: Most of the time the player is offered a choice of what to do, the end result is the same regardless of what he picks. When asked to save Ayla or attack the BigBad, the hero will actually refuse one of the choices and pick the other anyway.
** Subverted in the Mystic-Porre conflict in the Middle Ages -- whichever of the three options Glenn chooses (support the Mystics, support the Porreans, or remain neutral) will have a direct and obvious effect on the game's future.
** There's also a particular case in a side quest: you have a choice to refuse doing something, but soon after you'll be forced to do something else to achieve the same goal.
* CatchPhrase: If you watch the Website/{{Youtube}} videos, whenever something shows up incomplete or erroneous, one of the developers will usually have a note pop up: "''Uh... 2%!''"
* CharacterDevelopment: All the main characters, [[spoiler:even freaking LAVOS]], get this.
* CharacterFocus: Each playable character gets at least one chapter in the spotlight, during which they are the [[CantDropTheHero Hero You Can't Drop]]. Developer notes indicate that they didn't want anyone to be specifically considered the main character. (In pursuit of that, they even went so far as to avert Crono's SilentProtagonist habits.)
* {{Determinator}}: King Zeal. Also, Magus.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to its prequel, this game is MUCH darker. Partly the result of GreyAndGrayMorality.
* DeaderThanDead: Anyone sent to [[TheNothingAfterDeath the Darkness Beyond Time]]. [[spoiler:Like Schala and Marle's father.]]
* DeadpanSnarker: In game, many characters, most notably Crono, Lucca, and Magus. In real life, most of the editing team, to the point where it seems like they're almost [[MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3King]] FW's playthrough of the beta.
* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: [[spoiler:Kasmir's reason for helping Zeal in the Darkness Beyond Time.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Kasmir''': ''I have no place in time anymore. This feels productive.'']]
* DeveloperRoom: The ''Crimson Echoes'' staff from the [[http://www.chronocompendium.com/ Chrono Compendium]] have their own special room, and make individual cameos throughout the game.
* TheDragon: Dalton, again. [[spoiler:Later, Kasmir.]]
** DragonWithAnAgenda: Dalton.
* FanSequel: Takes place after ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', but before ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''.
* {{Foil}}: The Xamoltan, a trio of Reptite time-travelers from an alternate timeline, serve as foils to Crono and friends. [[spoiler:Especially their desire to only go back in time to observe, study, chronicle, and learn, while Crono's party does so specifically to meddle and attempt to "improve" the future of the timeline.]]
* {{Flanderization}}: Possibly with Magus, whose [[spoiler:only purpose in life and in breathing is to find Schala, and even when she's found he won't stop obsessing over her.]] [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] with Ayla, as she actually developed a personality.
** Some people may find Magus's [[spoiler:obsession over Schala to have [[BrotherSisterIncest incestuousovertones]]]].
* ForegoneConclusion: If you've played ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'', you may already be aware of a lot of the plot twists that will eventually come around, such as [[spoiler:Guardia's fall or the existence of the Reptite Timeline.]] The fact that the game manages to bring these events about, and '''''not''''' come off as a rehash, is part of its appeal.
* GenerationXerox: Toma. In ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', there were only two identified Toma characters and they shared the same sprite. But in ''Crimson Echoes'', there are more Tomas in other eras, and it seems evident that every adult Toma seen in any time period looks exactly the same.
* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen God Save Us From The King]]: For fuck's sake, Alphard![[note]]For those who don't get it, that's King Zeal's name.[[/note]]
** [[spoiler:Marle's Flame Trial shows her future as a terrible monarch obsessed with blaming Porre for her father's death. [[note]]The real murderer was King Zeal. Plus, Belthasar mentions that His Grace was gonna be dead soon anyway, and in her grief that version of Marle could have convinced herself that Porre somehow killed him.]] and letting Guardia slip into ruin in the meanwhile. The game is deliberately vague as to whether this is an accurate prediction of Marle's future, or just a MindScrew by the Frozen Flame.[[/note]]
*** But, in any case, it probably drove [[spoiler:Marle to relinquish Guardia's throne without protesting much. She may have thought that, if it was really her future, she was still in time to change it and avoid even worse suffering to her people]].
* GoodMorningCrono: What's a ''Chrono'' game without this Trope?
* GrayAndGrayMorality: The second half of the game is ''drowning'' in it. There is a distinct vibe of "nobody is right here, even if we think we're trying to do the right thing". King Zeal [[WhatTheHellHero calls the [=PCs=] on it]] shortly before the final battles in a long-winded AuthorTract, and even the creators admit some of them [[SympatheticPOV would have sided with Zeal over Crono and the gang]].
** [[BlackAndGrayMorality Aaaaand then there's]] ''Dalton''...
* HeroicMime: Averted, as (unlike in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'') the hero Crono does speak in this game. Quite a lot.
* INeedAFreakingDrink: Once [[spoiler:Toma]] comes to Chronopolis and goes all WhatDoesThisButtonDo on everything, most of the staff becomes nowhere to be seen, citing "sudden headaches".
* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: The fate of the unauthorized alpha leak, which has been passed around various torrent sites and underground internet communities since news of the leak first broke. The creators of ''Crimson Echoes'' have come out heavily against it.[[note]]And for good reason, too, since the leaks could potentially bring down on them all the legal trouble they were trying to avoid by complying with the C&D.[[/note]] Despite this, the game keeps leaking and getting press coverage with each leak.
** A team of modders, Giro and Dark3mx, is attempting the ''Flames Of Eternity'' project, which is an attempt to remake ''Crimson Echoes'' with a different ending, no MultipleEndings, and without all the references to {{Naruto}}, [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Gurren Lagann]] and Manga/{{Bleach}}, added due to the bits of [=ZeaLitY=]'s beliefs that they inspired, but replacing other things with references to ''Final Fantasy'' instead, and borrowing music from ''Final Fantasy'' and The Black Mages. Status updates can be found at http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/.
** For those uncomfortable with the changes made in ''Flames Of Eternity'', there are numerous projects attempting to reconstruct the actual 98% beta, but they're all deep undercover and mired in DevelopmentHell.
* LeftForDead: [[spoiler:Marle, when she is captured by the Reptites. [[DisneyDeath Her final moment is never shown.]] When Crono finds her skeletal remains over 1,000 years later he goes berserk, killing two (innocent!) Reptites in his grieving rage. He and his friends then go back and prevent it all from happening.]]
* LevelGrinding: Kind of a necessity at the beginning, especially during the "Magus Chasing Dalton" arc, as the first boss is surprisingly tough if you don't. Luckily it's only a fifteen-second walk between the Beast Forest and a free HP/MP full restore and an item shop. ItGetsBetter quickly, though.
* MasterOfIllusion: Kasmir. Glenn has trouble taking him down because most of the times he's fought him it's been a fake.
* MacGuffin: The Dragon Tooth. The [=PCs=] are sent to track it down and steal it to power Chronopolis in place of the weaker Dreamstone [[spoiler:and before that, the stolen Frozen Flame]], but other than being a power source and "Reptite artifact" it never really does anything. [[spoiler:It's even destroyed for a time, due to a temporal mishap, though this gets [[RetCon retconned]] off-screen shortly after; the developers admit when they wrote the script for its destruction they had forgotten the reason the [=PCs=] went after it in the first place was to find a new power source for Chronopolis, and [[HandWave Hand Waved]] Agent 12 tracking it down and saving it from destruction off-panel.]]
* MindScrew: The Flame Trials. They are all deliberately vague, according to the developers, and it's left up to player interpretation as to whether they're accurate portrayals of the various characters' situations or merely illusions of their fears and worries conjured by the Frozen Flame to mess with their heads.
** Ayla's Flame Trial averts this, as she's the only one in the party with enough clarity of heart/mind to see through the illusions.
* MoodWhiplash: [[spoiler:The Fall of Guardia]]. Also, the Reptite Timeline flips the game's previously upbeat nature upside-down.
* MrExposition: Belthasar and Mother Brain/[=FATE=].
* TheNothingAfterDeath: The Darkness Beyond Time. Even a Chrono Trigger cannot resurrect those sent there.
-->'''King Zeal''': ''To the Darkness Beyond Time. [[VideoGame/ChronoCross Forever Zero]], Eternally Null. Entire possibilities, subsumed into a temporal Netherworld.''
* ParentalAbandonment: Crono's father is killed in the {{Fanon}} backstory. Schala and Janus' father was taken by Belthasar, who also [[FakingTheDead faked the death of the latter as he remembered it]] in order to prevent undesirable changes in the timeline.
* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling: The first area of Huacan Factory with the Acids and Alkalines. Nerfed quite a bit in the 98% beta, but left intact in the alpha and subsequent rebuilds.
** Modnar Forest, a side area near the end of the game populated with a unique element to the Chrono series... [[RandomEncounter random encounters]]. The enemies there aren't too hard and they give on the order of 4000-6500 experience points per battle, a great way to level up for the final dungeon.
* PeopleJars: Magus, when captured by Dalton.
* RandomEncounter: In [[SdrawkcabName Modnar]] [[MeaningfulName Forest]] only.
** If you pay attention, you'll notice they aren't really random but triggered by a timer - in fact, you can even stand still after one of these fights and you'll get into another one after a little while. Still, one of the many impressive feats of additional coding in the game.
* RetGone: At one point, [[spoiler:all of humanity is driven extinct by the emergence of a new parallel timeline]].
* RippleEffectProofMemory: A consequence of Time Traveller Immunity.
* SanDimasTime: [[HandWave Hand Waved]] by stating that the stationary Time Gates travel forward through time at the speed of the normal passage of time. And if someone goes back in time to a year that the Gates don't "currently" exist in (even if they existed there when the characters were five years younger), Gates cannot be found. This has the effect of ensuring that events in all Gate-connected timelines are happening at a concurrent speed from and equal interval to one another, so that time actually elapses while time travelers are away for the same duration as other people wait for them. This form of SanDimasTime is only averted using a Time Egg (one was originally used to save Crono in ''Chrono Trigger''). Lucca and Belthasar can make imperfect semi-stable Time Eggs, but only Gaspar can make perfectly stable ones.
* [[UrbanLegendOfZelda Schala Lives]]: Schala is saved early in the game, seeming to derail the events of ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''. [[spoiler:But derailment is averted. She is later mortally wounded, and sent to the Darkness Beyond Time. In the ending, Magus sees her attached to an apparition of Lavos, but can't remain there long enough to save her. He then saves King Zeal so that he can learn the remaining Zealian arts that he never got to learn because of the (original!) Ocean Palace incident, ending with learning how to open a Gate so that he can go to th Darkness Beyond Time and save Schala. Once he does, [[UpdatedRerelease he then meets]] '''[[UpdatedRerelease a]]''' [[UpdatedRerelease past version of the party from around the time Lavos was defeated, which then]] [[TakeUpMySword fights the Dream Devourer in his place]] [[UpdatedRerelease before everyone is sent away and he wipes his own memory]].]]
** Although that last part is incidental; that final scene between Magus and King Zeal was always planned, but it conveniently supports the DS version's bonus ending. When you consider the ending of their other work, Prophet's Guile, they clearly didn't have that fate in mind for Magus.
* ScrewedByTheLawyers: There's controversy as to whether or not the cease-and-desist was a publicity stunt.
* ShoutOut: Early in the game, a woman in Medina Square sings the opening lyrics from [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKc6a0dPSPM "And Forever"]], the ending music of the anime ''Anime/TheBigO''. She later belts out (in Japanese) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jTH7ZDoSo "Kaze wa Mirari ni Fuku"]], the ending theme to ''{{Trigun}}''.
** [[spoiler:In his last moments,]] Dalton says one of [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Grimmjow's]] greatest lines.
** The chapters regarding [[spoiler:the Reptite Timeline, where Lavos was eradicated in Prehistory and [[AndManGrewProud humanity never rose to power with magic or technology]], thus resulting in a [[PunnyName Dinotopian]] civilization centered around reverence of the power of Nature]] are appropriately entitled "[[{{Warcraft}} An Emerald Dream]]".
* [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome Sudden Interquel Death Syndrome]]: [[spoiler: Kino. Apparently this was so [[DieForOurShip the creators could tease a Glenn/Ayla pairing.]]]]
** Averted in ''Flames Of Eternity'', probably because killing [[spoiler: him]] off was rather pointless. In return, [[spoiler: he and Ayla]] get an extra kid who [[spoiler: invents the game of Backgammon]].
* TechnicolorScience: The Vision Serpent, for one.
* TookALevelInBadass: The Mystic Knights. After a game off having their butts kicked by the heroes, Ozzie, Slash, and Flea pull themselves together and kick a lot of butt in their reappearance.
* UnluckyChildhoodFriend: Lucca, shown during the Flame Trial.
* VillainForgotToLevelGrind: But he was so strong he didn't really need to. King Zeal is fought three times through the game -- a HopelessBossFight at the beginning, a BonusBoss [[TheBattleDidntCount that doesn't count plotwise]] later, and [[spoiler:phase one of the final battle]] with the same stats each time. [[spoiler:Of course, he gets a OneWingedAngel form, too.]]
* WellIntentionedExtremist: Belthasar. [[spoiler:From the point at which the party (plus Schala, minus Ayla) is finally fully collected to Chronopolis, you see the building of the insane GambitPileup that is ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'' with his relentless desire to "fix" everything that goes wrong in the timeline, regardless of the consequences. This is [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] both by Melchior in his everyday conversation -- "Keep an eye on him, he's stressed" -- and later when the group meets Gaspar.]] A case could also be made for King Zeal.
** In a way, the player party qualifies as well. [[spoiler:Unlike their Reptite Timeline counterparts the Xamoltan, who limit themselves to using time travel for learning and observation, Crono's group specifically uses it to change the past, [[UnfortunateImplications inadvertently dooming every alternate timeline they create and then unmake to the]] [[TheNothingAfterDeath Darkness Beyond Time]].]]
* WhamEpisode: [[spoiler:The Fall of Guardia and the Reptite Timeline.]]
* [[WhatMeasureIsAnIndex What Measure Is Another Timeline]]: The disregard [[GrayAndGreyMorality practically everyone]] has for alternate timelines that are not their own. This is eventually addressed as a serious ethical question.
* WhatTheHellHero: Your characters get called out quite a few times, whether it be [[spoiler:your {{foil}} asking how you can destroy a timeline and the countless people that would not be born because of it]] or [[spoiler:Glenn yelling at Crono for murdering two random (innocent!) Reptites in a fit of rage after finding Marle's corpse.]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: King Zeal and Marle.
* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: Averted. Glenn no longer speaks in old-esque English, and his dialogue is closer to his style in the original Japanese ''Trigger''.
** Completely played straight in ''Flames of Eternity'', however.
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->"''The Dream of Zeal is alive!''"
-->'''Sargon''', to Melchior and Belthasar

''Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes'' is a FanSequel to ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', taking place before ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''. Through a series of fateful events, its formal release to the public in May 2009 after five years of development was thwarted when they reported [[ScrewedByTheLawyers Square Enix sent them a Cease and Desist letter]].

Though the project was cancelled under fear of litigation, the incident led to massive InternetBackdraft in three forms, one consisting of fans of both the series and the project railing on SquareEnix for shutting down the project, another consisting of skeptical fans thinking the whole thing is/was a publicity stunt for attention (in particular, noting inconsistencies with ''actual'' C&Ds sent by Squeenix and the plethora of non-C&D'd projects based on Squeenix properties), and a third consisting of copyright-supportive fans and legal brains railing against the modders for using SquareEnix's stuff in the project. It generated significant coverage in high-profile gaming blogs that led to the mod getting notice from Slashdot and Google News.

Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of a beta version that was 95% complete[[note]](Its completion percentage was confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro" - who used it for the [=FoE=] project from then on.)[[/note]] [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.

Recently, a different team has started an alternate project consisting in modifying ''Crimson Echoes'', with a different story and events. The project is named ''[[http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/ Chrono Trigger: Flames of Eternity]]'' and has the tagline "''The Rage of the Ages burns for Eternity...''"

If a Trope already applies to ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' proper, it probably shouldn't be duplicated here.
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!!This [[strike:ROM hack]] interactive FanFiction provides examples of:
* AccidentalMurder: Poor [[spoiler:Schala]].
* ActionGirl: Ayla, again. This time with bigger, badder techs!
* ActionMom: [[spoiler:Ayla.]]
* AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent
* ArtifactOfDoom: The Frozen Flame, obviously. Lots, and lots, and [[OverlyLongGag looooots]] of [[DoomyDoomsOfDoom DOOM]].
* AuthorTract: '''KING ALPHARD ZEAL, [[ThisIsForEmphasisBitch BITCHES]]!!!'''
* BackFromTheDead: Schala is revived at the very beginning. [[spoiler:At the end, Magus catches King Zeal as he falls out of [[TheNothingAfterDeath the Darkness Beyond Time]] after the FinalBoss Battle and heals/revives him.]]
* BadFuture: Happens multiple times, as time travelers keep screwing with the timeline.
* {{Badass}}: Again, Glenn and Magus. King Zeal also counts, considering that, unlike the rest of his family, [[spoiler:he's able to control Lavos]].
* BadAssArmy: The Vanguard, started by the equally as BadAss Glenn.
* BadassBoast: "Death is nothing to the Reaper!"
* BadassNormal: Sometimes it seems like Agent 12 is getting more done than the player's party.
* BigBad: Unlike its prequel and sequel, it's not Lavos, but rather King Zeal. Unlike the rest of his family, [[spoiler:he's even able to control Lavos]].
* BlatantLies: The members of Project Xamoltan claim to observe historical events and never interfere, contrasting them with our heroes. However, the very first time we see a Xamoltan, he's directly participating in and interfering with a historical event, [[spoiler: wiping out humanity and sentencing Marle to death]]. Of course nobody from the current timeline is aware of this, and since it's never brought up again it may just be a PlotHole.
* BreatherEpisode: The party in prehistory, which comes after [[spoiler:the restoration of the original timeline after its swapping with the Reptite one.]] However, another WhamEpisode follows...
* ButtMonkey: Dalton.
* ButThouMust: Most of the time the player is offered a choice of what to do, the end result is the same regardless of what he picks. When asked to save Ayla or attack the BigBad, the hero will actually refuse one of the choices and pick the other anyway.
** Subverted in the Mystic-Porre conflict in the Middle Ages -- whichever of the three options Glenn chooses (support the Mystics, support the Porreans, or remain neutral) will have a direct and obvious effect on the game's future.
** There's also a particular case in a side quest: you have a choice to refuse doing something, but soon after you'll be forced to do something else to achieve the same goal.
* CatchPhrase: If you watch the Website/{{Youtube}} videos, whenever something shows up incomplete or erroneous, one of the developers will usually have a note pop up: "''Uh... 2%!''"
* CharacterDevelopment: All the main characters, [[spoiler:even freaking LAVOS]], get this.
* CharacterFocus: Each playable character gets at least one chapter in the spotlight, during which they are the [[CantDropTheHero Hero You Can't Drop]]. Developer notes indicate that they didn't want anyone to be specifically considered the main character. (In pursuit of that, they even went so far as to avert Crono's SilentProtagonist habits.)
* {{Determinator}}: King Zeal. Also, Magus.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to its prequel, this game is MUCH darker. Partly the result of GreyAndGrayMorality.
* DeaderThanDead: Anyone sent to [[TheNothingAfterDeath the Darkness Beyond Time]]. [[spoiler:Like Schala and Marle's father.]]
* DeadpanSnarker: In game, many characters, most notably Crono, Lucca, and Magus. In real life, most of the editing team, to the point where it seems like they're almost [[MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3King]] FW's playthrough of the beta.
* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: [[spoiler:Kasmir's reason for helping Zeal in the Darkness Beyond Time.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Kasmir''': ''I have no place in time anymore. This feels productive.'']]
* DeveloperRoom: The ''Crimson Echoes'' staff from the [[http://www.chronocompendium.com/ Chrono Compendium]] have their own special room, and make individual cameos throughout the game.
* TheDragon: Dalton, again. [[spoiler:Later, Kasmir.]]
** DragonWithAnAgenda: Dalton.
* FanSequel: Takes place after ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', but before ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''.
* {{Foil}}: The Xamoltan, a trio of Reptite time-travelers from an alternate timeline, serve as foils to Crono and friends. [[spoiler:Especially their desire to only go back in time to observe, study, chronicle, and learn, while Crono's party does so specifically to meddle and attempt to "improve" the future of the timeline.]]
* {{Flanderization}}: Possibly with Magus, whose [[spoiler:only purpose in life and in breathing is to find Schala, and even when she's found he won't stop obsessing over her.]] [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] with Ayla, as she actually developed a personality.
** Some people may find Magus's [[spoiler:obsession over Schala to have [[BrotherSisterIncest incestuousovertones]]]].
* ForegoneConclusion: If you've played ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'', you may already be aware of a lot of the plot twists that will eventually come around, such as [[spoiler:Guardia's fall or the existence of the Reptite Timeline.]] The fact that the game manages to bring these events about, and '''''not''''' come off as a rehash, is part of its appeal.
* GenerationXerox: Toma. In ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', there were only two identified Toma characters and they shared the same sprite. But in ''Crimson Echoes'', there are more Tomas in other eras, and it seems evident that every adult Toma seen in any time period looks exactly the same.
* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen God Save Us From The King]]: For fuck's sake, Alphard![[note]]For those who don't get it, that's King Zeal's name.[[/note]]
** [[spoiler:Marle's Flame Trial shows her future as a terrible monarch obsessed with blaming Porre for her father's death. [[note]]The real murderer was King Zeal. Plus, Belthasar mentions that His Grace was gonna be dead soon anyway, and in her grief that version of Marle could have convinced herself that Porre somehow killed him.]] and letting Guardia slip into ruin in the meanwhile. The game is deliberately vague as to whether this is an accurate prediction of Marle's future, or just a MindScrew by the Frozen Flame.[[/note]]
*** But, in any case, it probably drove [[spoiler:Marle to relinquish Guardia's throne without protesting much. She may have thought that, if it was really her future, she was still in time to change it and avoid even worse suffering to her people]].
* GoodMorningCrono: What's a ''Chrono'' game without this Trope?
* GrayAndGrayMorality: The second half of the game is ''drowning'' in it. There is a distinct vibe of "nobody is right here, even if we think we're trying to do the right thing". King Zeal [[WhatTheHellHero calls the [=PCs=] on it]] shortly before the final battles in a long-winded AuthorTract, and even the creators admit some of them [[SympatheticPOV would have sided with Zeal over Crono and the gang]].
** [[BlackAndGrayMorality Aaaaand then there's]] ''Dalton''...
* HeroicMime: Averted, as (unlike in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'') the hero Crono does speak in this game. Quite a lot.
* INeedAFreakingDrink: Once [[spoiler:Toma]] comes to Chronopolis and goes all WhatDoesThisButtonDo on everything, most of the staff becomes nowhere to be seen, citing "sudden headaches".
* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: The fate of the unauthorized alpha leak, which has been passed around various torrent sites and underground internet communities since news of the leak first broke. The creators of ''Crimson Echoes'' have come out heavily against it.[[note]]And for good reason, too, since the leaks could potentially bring down on them all the legal trouble they were trying to avoid by complying with the C&D.[[/note]] Despite this, the game keeps leaking and getting press coverage with each leak.
** A team of modders, Giro and Dark3mx, is attempting the ''Flames Of Eternity'' project, which is an attempt to remake ''Crimson Echoes'' with a different ending, no MultipleEndings, and without all the references to {{Naruto}}, [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Gurren Lagann]] and Manga/{{Bleach}}, added due to the bits of [=ZeaLitY=]'s beliefs that they inspired, but replacing other things with references to ''Final Fantasy'' instead, and borrowing music from ''Final Fantasy'' and The Black Mages. Status updates can be found at http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/.
** For those uncomfortable with the changes made in ''Flames Of Eternity'', there are numerous projects attempting to reconstruct the actual 98% beta, but they're all deep undercover and mired in DevelopmentHell.
* LeftForDead: [[spoiler:Marle, when she is captured by the Reptites. [[DisneyDeath Her final moment is never shown.]] When Crono finds her skeletal remains over 1,000 years later he goes berserk, killing two (innocent!) Reptites in his grieving rage. He and his friends then go back and prevent it all from happening.]]
* LevelGrinding: Kind of a necessity at the beginning, especially during the "Magus Chasing Dalton" arc, as the first boss is surprisingly tough if you don't. Luckily it's only a fifteen-second walk between the Beast Forest and a free HP/MP full restore and an item shop. ItGetsBetter quickly, though.
* MasterOfIllusion: Kasmir. Glenn has trouble taking him down because most of the times he's fought him it's been a fake.
* MacGuffin: The Dragon Tooth. The [=PCs=] are sent to track it down and steal it to power Chronopolis in place of the weaker Dreamstone [[spoiler:and before that, the stolen Frozen Flame]], but other than being a power source and "Reptite artifact" it never really does anything. [[spoiler:It's even destroyed for a time, due to a temporal mishap, though this gets [[RetCon retconned]] off-screen shortly after; the developers admit when they wrote the script for its destruction they had forgotten the reason the [=PCs=] went after it in the first place was to find a new power source for Chronopolis, and [[HandWave Hand Waved]] Agent 12 tracking it down and saving it from destruction off-panel.]]
* MindScrew: The Flame Trials. They are all deliberately vague, according to the developers, and it's left up to player interpretation as to whether they're accurate portrayals of the various characters' situations or merely illusions of their fears and worries conjured by the Frozen Flame to mess with their heads.
** Ayla's Flame Trial averts this, as she's the only one in the party with enough clarity of heart/mind to see through the illusions.
* MoodWhiplash: [[spoiler:The Fall of Guardia]]. Also, the Reptite Timeline flips the game's previously upbeat nature upside-down.
* MrExposition: Belthasar and Mother Brain/[=FATE=].
* TheNothingAfterDeath: The Darkness Beyond Time. Even a Chrono Trigger cannot resurrect those sent there.
-->'''King Zeal''': ''To the Darkness Beyond Time. [[VideoGame/ChronoCross Forever Zero]], Eternally Null. Entire possibilities, subsumed into a temporal Netherworld.''
* ParentalAbandonment: Crono's father is killed in the {{Fanon}} backstory. Schala and Janus' father was taken by Belthasar, who also [[FakingTheDead faked the death of the latter as he remembered it]] in order to prevent undesirable changes in the timeline.
* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling: The first area of Huacan Factory with the Acids and Alkalines. Nerfed quite a bit in the 98% beta, but left intact in the alpha and subsequent rebuilds.
** Modnar Forest, a side area near the end of the game populated with a unique element to the Chrono series... [[RandomEncounter random encounters]]. The enemies there aren't too hard and they give on the order of 4000-6500 experience points per battle, a great way to level up for the final dungeon.
* PeopleJars: Magus, when captured by Dalton.
* RandomEncounter: In [[SdrawkcabName Modnar]] [[MeaningfulName Forest]] only.
** If you pay attention, you'll notice they aren't really random but triggered by a timer - in fact, you can even stand still after one of these fights and you'll get into another one after a little while. Still, one of the many impressive feats of additional coding in the game.
* RetGone: At one point, [[spoiler:all of humanity is driven extinct by the emergence of a new parallel timeline]].
* RippleEffectProofMemory: A consequence of Time Traveller Immunity.
* SanDimasTime: [[HandWave Hand Waved]] by stating that the stationary Time Gates travel forward through time at the speed of the normal passage of time. And if someone goes back in time to a year that the Gates don't "currently" exist in (even if they existed there when the characters were five years younger), Gates cannot be found. This has the effect of ensuring that events in all Gate-connected timelines are happening at a concurrent speed from and equal interval to one another, so that time actually elapses while time travelers are away for the same duration as other people wait for them. This form of SanDimasTime is only averted using a Time Egg (one was originally used to save Crono in ''Chrono Trigger''). Lucca and Belthasar can make imperfect semi-stable Time Eggs, but only Gaspar can make perfectly stable ones.
* [[UrbanLegendOfZelda Schala Lives]]: Schala is saved early in the game, seeming to derail the events of ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''. [[spoiler:But derailment is averted. She is later mortally wounded, and sent to the Darkness Beyond Time. In the ending, Magus sees her attached to an apparition of Lavos, but can't remain there long enough to save her. He then saves King Zeal so that he can learn the remaining Zealian arts that he never got to learn because of the (original!) Ocean Palace incident, ending with learning how to open a Gate so that he can go to th Darkness Beyond Time and save Schala. Once he does, [[UpdatedRerelease he then meets]] '''[[UpdatedRerelease a]]''' [[UpdatedRerelease past version of the party from around the time Lavos was defeated, which then]] [[TakeUpMySword fights the Dream Devourer in his place]] [[UpdatedRerelease before everyone is sent away and he wipes his own memory]].]]
** Although that last part is incidental; that final scene between Magus and King Zeal was always planned, but it conveniently supports the DS version's bonus ending. When you consider the ending of their other work, Prophet's Guile, they clearly didn't have that fate in mind for Magus.
* ScrewedByTheLawyers: There's controversy as to whether or not the cease-and-desist was a publicity stunt.
* ShoutOut: Early in the game, a woman in Medina Square sings the opening lyrics from [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKc6a0dPSPM "And Forever"]], the ending music of the anime ''Anime/TheBigO''. She later belts out (in Japanese) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jTH7ZDoSo "Kaze wa Mirari ni Fuku"]], the ending theme to ''{{Trigun}}''.
** [[spoiler:In his last moments,]] Dalton says one of [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Grimmjow's]] greatest lines.
** The chapters regarding [[spoiler:the Reptite Timeline, where Lavos was eradicated in Prehistory and [[AndManGrewProud humanity never rose to power with magic or technology]], thus resulting in a [[PunnyName Dinotopian]] civilization centered around reverence of the power of Nature]] are appropriately entitled "[[{{Warcraft}} An Emerald Dream]]".
* [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome Sudden Interquel Death Syndrome]]: [[spoiler: Kino. Apparently this was so [[DieForOurShip the creators could tease a Glenn/Ayla pairing.]]]]
** Averted in ''Flames Of Eternity'', probably because killing [[spoiler: him]] off was rather pointless. In return, [[spoiler: he and Ayla]] get an extra kid who [[spoiler: invents the game of Backgammon]].
* TechnicolorScience: The Vision Serpent, for one.
* TookALevelInBadass: The Mystic Knights. After a game off having their butts kicked by the heroes, Ozzie, Slash, and Flea pull themselves together and kick a lot of butt in their reappearance.
* UnluckyChildhoodFriend: Lucca, shown during the Flame Trial.
* VillainForgotToLevelGrind: But he was so strong he didn't really need to. King Zeal is fought three times through the game -- a HopelessBossFight at the beginning, a BonusBoss [[TheBattleDidntCount that doesn't count plotwise]] later, and [[spoiler:phase one of the final battle]] with the same stats each time. [[spoiler:Of course, he gets a OneWingedAngel form, too.]]
* WellIntentionedExtremist: Belthasar. [[spoiler:From the point at which the party (plus Schala, minus Ayla) is finally fully collected to Chronopolis, you see the building of the insane GambitPileup that is ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'' with his relentless desire to "fix" everything that goes wrong in the timeline, regardless of the consequences. This is [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] both by Melchior in his everyday conversation -- "Keep an eye on him, he's stressed" -- and later when the group meets Gaspar.]] A case could also be made for King Zeal.
** In a way, the player party qualifies as well. [[spoiler:Unlike their Reptite Timeline counterparts the Xamoltan, who limit themselves to using time travel for learning and observation, Crono's group specifically uses it to change the past, [[UnfortunateImplications inadvertently dooming every alternate timeline they create and then unmake to the]] [[TheNothingAfterDeath Darkness Beyond Time]].]]
* WhamEpisode: [[spoiler:The Fall of Guardia and the Reptite Timeline.]]
* [[WhatMeasureIsAnIndex What Measure Is Another Timeline]]: The disregard [[GrayAndGreyMorality practically everyone]] has for alternate timelines that are not their own. This is eventually addressed as a serious ethical question.
* WhatTheHellHero: Your characters get called out quite a few times, whether it be [[spoiler:your {{foil}} asking how you can destroy a timeline and the countless people that would not be born because of it]] or [[spoiler:Glenn yelling at Crono for murdering two random (innocent!) Reptites in a fit of rage after finding Marle's corpse.]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: King Zeal and Marle.
* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: Averted. Glenn no longer speaks in old-esque English, and his dialogue is closer to his style in the original Japanese ''Trigger''.
** Completely played straight in ''Flames of Eternity'', however.
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3rd Dec '13 10:54:45 AM Discar
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* ActionMom: [[spoiler:Ayla.]]



* HotMom / ActionMom: [[spoiler:Ayla.]]
18th Oct '13 12:00:46 PM Nocturna
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** The chapters regarding [[spoiler:the Reptite Timeline, where Lavos was eradicated in Prehistory and [[AndManGrewProud humanity never rose to power with magic or technology]], thus resulting in a [[IncrediblyLamePun Dinotopian]] civilization centered around reverence of the power of Nature]] are appropriately entitled "[[{{Warcraft}} An Emerald Dream]]".

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** The chapters regarding [[spoiler:the Reptite Timeline, where Lavos was eradicated in Prehistory and [[AndManGrewProud humanity never rose to power with magic or technology]], thus resulting in a [[IncrediblyLamePun [[PunnyName Dinotopian]] civilization centered around reverence of the power of Nature]] are appropriately entitled "[[{{Warcraft}} An Emerald Dream]]".
13th Aug '13 1:34:36 AM SeptimusHeap
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* BadAssArmy: The Vanguard, started by the equally as BadAss [[strike:Frog]] [[MyNameIsNotDurwood Glenn]].

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* BadAssArmy: The Vanguard, started by the equally as BadAss [[strike:Frog]] [[MyNameIsNotDurwood Glenn]].Glenn.



* MyNameIsNotDurwood
-->'''Glenn:''' ''Don't call me that! My name is Glenn!''
31st Jul '13 4:12:34 PM Korodzik
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Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of a beta version that was 95% complete[[hottip:*:(Its completion percentage was confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro" - who used it for the [=FoE=] project from then on.)]] [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.

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Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of a beta version that was 95% complete[[hottip:*:(Its complete[[note]](Its completion percentage was confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro" - who used it for the [=FoE=] project from then on.)]] )[[/note]] [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.



* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen God Save Us From The King]]: For fuck's sake, Alphard![[hottip:*:For those who don't get it, that's King Zeal's name.]]
** [[spoiler:Marle's Flame Trial shows her future as a terrible monarch obsessed with blaming Porre for her father's death. [[hottip:*:The real murderer was King Zeal. Plus, Belthasar mentions that His Grace was gonna be dead soon anyway, and in her grief that version of Marle could have convinced herself that Porre somehow killed him.]] and letting Guardia slip into ruin in the meanwhile. The game is deliberately vague as to whether this is an accurate prediction of Marle's future, or just a MindScrew by the Frozen Flame.]]

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* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen God Save Us From The King]]: For fuck's sake, Alphard![[hottip:*:For Alphard![[note]]For those who don't get it, that's King Zeal's name.]]
[[/note]]
** [[spoiler:Marle's Flame Trial shows her future as a terrible monarch obsessed with blaming Porre for her father's death. [[hottip:*:The [[note]]The real murderer was King Zeal. Plus, Belthasar mentions that His Grace was gonna be dead soon anyway, and in her grief that version of Marle could have convinced herself that Porre somehow killed him.]] and letting Guardia slip into ruin in the meanwhile. The game is deliberately vague as to whether this is an accurate prediction of Marle's future, or just a MindScrew by the Frozen Flame.]][[/note]]



* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: The fate of the unauthorized alpha leak, which has been passed around various torrent sites and underground internet communities since news of the leak first broke. The creators of ''Crimson Echoes'' have come out heavily against it.[[hottip:*:And for good reason, too, since the leaks could potentially bring down on them all the legal trouble they were trying to avoid by complying with the C&D.]] Despite this, the game keeps leaking and getting press coverage with each leak.

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: The fate of the unauthorized alpha leak, which has been passed around various torrent sites and underground internet communities since news of the leak first broke. The creators of ''Crimson Echoes'' have come out heavily against it.[[hottip:*:And [[note]]And for good reason, too, since the leaks could potentially bring down on them all the legal trouble they were trying to avoid by complying with the C&D.]] [[/note]] Despite this, the game keeps leaking and getting press coverage with each leak.
27th Jul '13 10:14:39 PM MugenKagemaru
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Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of the 95% beta version (as confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro") [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.

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Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [[http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments]] on Website/{{Youtube}}. A copy of the 95% a beta version (as that was 95% complete[[hottip:*:(Its completion percentage was confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro") "Giro" - who used it for the [=FoE=] project from then on.)]] [[http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites]] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.
22nd Jun '13 5:08:59 PM Mysterion
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* [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome Sudden Interquel Death Syndrome]]: [[spoiler: Kino.]]

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* [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome Sudden Interquel Death Syndrome]]: [[spoiler: Kino.]] Apparently this was so [[DieForOurShip the creators could tease a Glenn/Ayla pairing.]]]]
23rd Apr '13 5:21:33 PM Whitecroc
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Though the project was cancelled under fear of litigation, the incident led to massive InternetBackdraft in three forms, one consisting of fans of both the series and the project railing on SquareEnix for shutting down the project, another consisting of skeptical fans thinking the whole thing is/was a publicity stunt for attention (in particular, noting inconsistencies with ''actual'' C&Ds sent by Squeenix and the plethora of non-C&D'd projects based on Squeenix properties), and a third consisting of copyright-anal fans and legal brains railing against the modders for using SquareEnix's stuff in the project. It generated significant coverage in high-profile gaming blogs that led to the mod getting notice from Slashdot and Google News.

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Though the project was cancelled under fear of litigation, the incident led to massive InternetBackdraft in three forms, one consisting of fans of both the series and the project railing on SquareEnix for shutting down the project, another consisting of skeptical fans thinking the whole thing is/was a publicity stunt for attention (in particular, noting inconsistencies with ''actual'' C&Ds sent by Squeenix and the plethora of non-C&D'd projects based on Squeenix properties), and a third consisting of copyright-anal copyright-supportive fans and legal brains railing against the modders for using SquareEnix's stuff in the project. It generated significant coverage in high-profile gaming blogs that led to the mod getting notice from Slashdot and Google News.



* DesignatedMonkey: Marle.
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