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16th Apr '17 10:57:36 AM mouschilight
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** Aaand now [[spoiler:there's Obito as well, since he was explicitly compared to Naruto earlier in the story. Obito bears a dozen similarities to Naruto, he has uncanny resemblance to Naruto, he has the same dream of becoming Hokage as Naruto, same unrequited love for a girl (Obito with Rin, Naruto with Sakura) and Obito possess the same jealously for the "cool guy" of the team. And by time his villain, the mask wearing Tobi who would've killed a minute old baby and sic a massive demonic fox on a woman weakened from pregnancy if he wasn't stopped . '''Ouch'''. And the parallels just keep on mounting with Obito becoming a Jinchuriki and being revealed that he is also an orphan who never met his parents. Obito sees all these similarities and tries his best to brake Naruto's spirit, like his was broken when Rin died. But Naruto brings Obito back to the light though the connection they have]].

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** Aaand And now [[spoiler:there's Obito as well, since he was explicitly compared to Naruto earlier in the story. Obito bears a dozen similarities to Naruto, Naruto: he has an uncanny resemblance to Naruto, he has the same dream of becoming Hokage as Naruto, same unrequited love for a girl one-sided crush on their female teammate (Obito with Rin, [[LovingAShadow Naruto with Sakura) Sakura]]) and Obito possess the same jealously jealousy for the "cool guy" of the team. And by the time his he becomes the villain, the mask wearing Tobi Tobi, who would've killed a minute old baby and sic a massive demonic fox on a woman weakened from pregnancy if he wasn't stopped .stopped. '''Ouch'''. And the parallels just keep on mounting with Obito becoming a Jinchuriki and being revealed that he is also an orphan who never met his parents. Obito sees all these similarities and tries his best to brake break Naruto's spirit, spirit after Neji's death, like his spirit was broken when Rin died. But Naruto brings Obito back to the light though through the connection they have]].
20th Mar '17 4:14:50 AM MagBas
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*** Meanwhile, Wammu arguably is one to Joseph. Both have Undying Loyalty to their masters (although Joseph will never admit it). And in spite of their similarly HeroicBuilds, both are masters of thinking on the fly who rely primarily on their wits to fight, and who base their tactics on reversing the flow of battle to surprise their enemies. They also occupy complementary positions on the morality scale: Joseph is an arrogant and jerkish trickster anti-hero who will do anything to win, while Wamuu is a polite and noble warrior who nonetheless enjoys a good punch up.
19th Mar '17 7:42:07 PM VelvetPierrot
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* The Espada and the Stern Ritter are both Evil Counterparts to the Gotei 13. They're all basically squad leaders, with the Gotei Captains leading an organized company of disciplined soldiers while the Espada lead only a group of hand-picked lieutenants and the Stern Ritter merely having extra pull in an otherwise standardized army. The Espada are an "army" in name only with each individual member basically being in competition with the others. The Stern Ritter swing to the other extreme and are an army whose leader hates conflict and they are all expected to play their individual parts without question.

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* ** The Espada and the Stern Ritter are both Evil Counterparts to the Gotei 13. They're all basically squad leaders, with the Gotei Captains leading an organized company of disciplined soldiers while the Espada lead only a group of hand-picked lieutenants and the Stern Ritter merely having extra pull in an otherwise standardized army. The Espada are an "army" in name only with each individual member basically being in competition with the others. The Stern Ritter swing to the other extreme and are an army whose leader hates conflict and they are all expected to play their individual parts without question.



* ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure]]'': Some parts tend to make some villains parallels to the heroes:

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* ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure]]'': ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'': Some parts tend to make some villains parallels to the heroes:



*** Meanwhile, Wammu arguably is one to Joseph. Both have Undying Loyalty to their masters (although Joseph will never admit it). And in spite of their similarly HeroicBuilds, both are masters of thinking on the fly who rely primarily on their wits to fight, and who base their tactics on reversing the flow of battle to surprise their enemies. They also occupy complementary positions on the morality scale: Joseph is an arrogant and jerkish trickster anti-hero who will do anything to win, while Wamuu is a polite and noble warrior who nonetheless enjoys a good punch up.



There's also a case to be made for him being a Shadow Archetype to Koichi. He yearns for a normal life, but was born with superpowers that he uses for terrible ends. Meanwhile, Koichi is genuinely normal and got dragged into the manga's events by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, both of their Stands evolve into more powerful forms over time. It's worth nothing that Koichi and Jotaro find Kira at Centipede Shoes and force him to hide after he fails at silencing them with Sheer Heart Attack. Echoes evolves into its final form during the encounter with SHA and the two of them are the ones to finish him off, albeit by accident.
*** Meanwhile, Wammu arguably is one to Joseph. Both have Undying Loyalty to their masters (although Joseph will never admit it). And in spite of their similarly HeroicBuilds, both are masters of thinking on the fly who rely primarily on their wits to fight, and who base their tactics on reversing the flow of battle to surprise their enemies. They also occupy complementary positions on the morality scale: Joseph is an arrogant and jerkish trickster anti-hero who will do anything to win, while Wamuu is a polite and noble warrior who nonetheless enjoys a good punch up.

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*** There's also a case to be made for him being a Shadow Archetype to Koichi. He yearns for a normal life, but was born with superpowers that he uses for terrible ends. Meanwhile, Koichi is genuinely normal and got dragged into the manga's events by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, both of their Stands evolve into more powerful forms over time. It's worth nothing that Koichi and Jotaro find Kira at Centipede Shoes and force him to hide after he fails at silencing them with Sheer Heart Attack. Echoes evolves into its final form during the encounter with SHA and the two of them are the ones to finish him off, albeit by accident.
*** Meanwhile, Wammu arguably is one to Joseph. Both have Undying Loyalty to their masters (although Joseph will never admit it). And in spite of their similarly HeroicBuilds, both are masters of thinking on the fly who rely primarily on their wits to fight, and who base their tactics on reversing the flow of battle to surprise their enemies. They also occupy complementary positions on the morality scale: Joseph is an arrogant and jerkish trickster anti-hero who will do anything to win, while Wamuu is a polite and noble warrior who nonetheless enjoys a good punch up.
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19th Mar '17 7:37:54 PM VelvetPierrot
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** Ichigo and the Lost Agent ArcVillain have similar powers and origins, but the villain can't handle being mistrusted by Soul Society, goes off the rails and begins a process of revenge that harms innocents as well as warriors. Ichigo understood the necessity for Soul Society's monitoring of substitute shinigami and accepted it as part of the responsibility of wearing the uniform. He also keeps a fight personal rather than dragging in innocents and using them as weapons.

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** Ichigo and the Lost Agent ArcVillain have similar powers and origins, but the villain (Ginjo) can't handle being mistrusted by Soul Society, goes off the rails and begins a process of revenge that harms innocents as well as warriors. Ichigo understood the necessity for Soul Society's monitoring of substitute shinigami and accepted it as part of the responsibility of wearing the uniform. He also keeps a fight personal rather than dragging in innocents and using them as weapons. In Ginjo's case, he demonstrates what Ichigo might have been if their situations had been reversed. One of his dying thoughts even lampshades this, as he wonders if their lives had been reversed, would one have turned out like the other.
*The Espada and the Stern Ritter are both Evil Counterparts to the Gotei 13. They're all basically squad leaders, with the Gotei Captains leading an organized company of disciplined soldiers while the Espada lead only a group of hand-picked lieutenants and the Stern Ritter merely having extra pull in an otherwise standardized army. The Espada are an "army" in name only with each individual member basically being in competition with the others. The Stern Ritter swing to the other extreme and are an army whose leader hates conflict and they are all expected to play their individual parts without question.
**Speaking to the Gotei 13 and the Wandenreich, Yhwach is the Evil Counterpart to Genryuusai Shigekuni Yamamoto, the Captain Commander. Both are insanely powerful and strict leaders of their respective armies, and in the past, both were equally ruthless and amoral. However, Yamamoto found something worth protecting and thus mellowed out, while Yhwach has retained his cold, opportunistic pragmatism.


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* ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure]]'': Some parts tend to make some villains parallels to the heroes:
** Part I: DIO (Then Dio Brando) turned out to be one to Speedwagon, who grew up in similar dire circumstances on the streets of London, but managed to rise above his misfortune to be a true man of greatness. Ultimately, by choosing to fight the darkness he was born into instead of spreading it, Speedwagon gets everything Dio wanted, striking it rich, living his life out with peace of mind, and ultimately gaining a form of immortality through the Speedwagon Foundation.
** Part II: Kars can be seen as one to Lisa Lisa in the sense that both are leader figures and Combat Pragmatists who focus on long-term strategizing and the big picture in contrast to their apprentices, who focus more on short-term tactics. Parallels extend to their physical appearances as well; Lisa Lisa's long hair makes her an elegant and Raven Hair Ivory Skinned Lady of War, whereas Kars is appropriately an Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette whose unkempt hair makes him both a Long-Haired Pretty Boy and also a Barbarian Longhair.
*** As it turns out Kars also counts as one to Joseph. Much like Joseph, Kars is a lot more cunning then his build would initially imply and can also be petty when things don't go his way or he is disrespected. He also shows himself to be a Combat Pragmatist willing to preform amoral actions in order to eschew a battle in his favour. Unlike Joseph however who eventually learned to honour his opponents and shows Wamuu his respect after their final fight Kars never shows this tendency and is not only willing to stab Liza Liza in the back during their fight but Kick her while she's down for good measure. The parallels between the two are even more obvious after said backstabbing when Kars notes to Joseph that he only cares about retrieving the Red Stone and any method to do that is acceptable to him which is a similar line that Joseph himself said during his final fight with Wamuu.
** Part IV: Kira is one to Jotaro. Both are antisocial Japanese men that are surprisingly resourceful and adaptive in dire situations. They are also more popular with the ladies than they would like to be: Just look at when Tomoko and Shinobu respectively throw themselves at them - their reactions are almost identical. Also, they both awaken new time-related Stand powers by the end of their respective parts: Jotaro from being pressured to the verge of death from DIO, and Kira from the prospect of being unveiled by the Morioh Stand users. The difference is that Jotaro eventually learns to open himself up more and trust in others, and while Kira was given the opportunity to live a new life with a new ordinary family, he chooses to revert to his old ways and continue his killing spree.
*** Even his Father Yoshihiro (seems to be in the genes, oh my) is a two fold for To Reimi and Joseph, even if he doesn't actually interact with either of them. For Reimi: Both of them being ghosts who are the driving forces for their respective sides in deciding his son's fate. Reimi brings the heroes together to help her catch him, while Yoshihiro creates Stand Users with the Arrow to attack the heroes in order to protect him. For Joseph: Both of them have photography-related Stands. Their sons are the main protagonist (Josuke) and antagonist (Yoshikage) of the story, who likely inherited good and evil nature from them and play a lesser role in giving their respective support.
There's also a case to be made for him being a Shadow Archetype to Koichi. He yearns for a normal life, but was born with superpowers that he uses for terrible ends. Meanwhile, Koichi is genuinely normal and got dragged into the manga's events by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, both of their Stands evolve into more powerful forms over time. It's worth nothing that Koichi and Jotaro find Kira at Centipede Shoes and force him to hide after he fails at silencing them with Sheer Heart Attack. Echoes evolves into its final form during the encounter with SHA and the two of them are the ones to finish him off, albeit by accident.
*** Meanwhile, Wammu arguably is one to Joseph. Both have Undying Loyalty to their masters (although Joseph will never admit it). And in spite of their similarly HeroicBuilds, both are masters of thinking on the fly who rely primarily on their wits to fight, and who base their tactics on reversing the flow of battle to surprise their enemies. They also occupy complementary positions on the morality scale: Joseph is an arrogant and jerkish trickster anti-hero who will do anything to win, while Wamuu is a polite and noble warrior who nonetheless enjoys a good punch up.
3rd Mar '17 3:49:11 PM crazysamaritan
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* Like ''LightNovel/VampireHunterD'', Rei-Ginsei is a weirdly beautiful [[TheHunter Hunter]] with supernatural powers. Unlike D, he's egotistical, completely amoral, only helps beautiful women and doesn't hesitate to try to torture a child to death to get what he wants.
* Yugi's opponent Pandora in ''Anime/YuGiOh'' used an alternate art version of Dark Magician that seemed to be an evil version of Yugi's own, having blood-red robes and a maddening expression, compared the the royal purple attire and gentle face of Yugi's version.
** Kaiba is a softer one for Jonouchi. Both are BadAssNormal gamers who started off as Yugi's enemies before coming around (Kaiba's journey was longer and more subtle, but the feelings of camaraderie were there). Both had abusive fathers and care for their younger siblings. The difference being that Jonouchi grew up in squalor and takes risks, while Kaiba grew up in privilege and makes calculated decisions. Both also have coloured dragons as their signature monsters.

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* Like ''LightNovel/VampireHunterD'', ''LightNovel/VampireHunterD'': Rei-Ginsei is a and D, the Dhampyr, are both weirdly beautiful [[TheHunter Hunter]] [[HunterOfMonsters Hunters of Monsters]] with supernatural powers. Unlike D, he's egotistical, completely amoral, only helps beautiful women and doesn't hesitate to try to torture a child to death to get what he wants.
* ''Anime/YuGiOh'':
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Yugi's opponent Pandora in ''Anime/YuGiOh'' used an alternate art version of Dark Magician that seemed to be an evil version of Yugi's own, having blood-red robes and a maddening expression, compared the the royal purple attire and gentle face of Yugi's version.
** Downplayed with Kaiba is a softer one for Jonouchi. Both are and Jonouchi; BadAssNormal gamers who started off as Yugi's enemies before coming around (Kaiba's journey was longer and more subtle, but the feelings of camaraderie were there). Both had abusive fathers and care for their younger siblings. The difference being that Jonouchi grew up in squalor and takes risks, while Kaiba grew up in privilege and makes calculated decisions. Both also have coloured dragons as their signature monsters.
10th Feb '17 4:17:17 AM Daikun
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** Both Piccolos were the evil counterpart of Kami. That is, before Piccolo makes his {{Face Heel Turn}} and they remerge.

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** Both Piccolos were the evil counterpart of Kami. That is, before Piccolo makes his {{Face Heel Turn}} HeelFaceTurn and they remerge.
2nd Jan '17 1:12:34 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Vash in ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' has his EvilTwin Knives, who gives a good idea of what Vash would've become if he hadn't been a [[FreudWasRight mama's boy]].

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* Vash in ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' has his EvilTwin Knives, who gives a good idea of what Vash would've become if he hadn't been a [[FreudWasRight mama's boy]].boy.
30th Dec '16 8:43:11 AM AsForMyHandle
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28th Dec '16 5:40:35 AM EarsplittingLepidopteran
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*** [[spoiler: It could also be said Sanji's brothers (Vinsmoke Ichji, Niji and Yonji) are his evil counterparts all four of them are powerful royals [[WarriorPrince princes]] but unlike Sanji the Vinsmoke brothers are utter scumbags who delight in hurting people, wasting precious food and abusing helpless women all three of which push Sanji's BerserkButton. They also prone to using underhand moves, black mail and will use a HumanShield when possible while Sanji is more fair fighter and is frequently the human shield [[TakingTheBullet for his friends]]. Bonus Points for all four Vinsmokes boys being attracted to Nami]].

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*** [[spoiler: It could also be said Sanji's brothers (Vinsmoke Ichji, Niji and Yonji) are his evil counterparts all four of them are powerful royals [[WarriorPrince princes]] but unlike Sanji the Vinsmoke brothers are utter scumbags who delight in hurting people, wasting precious food and abusing helpless women all three of which push Sanji's BerserkButton. They also prone to using underhand moves, black mail and will use a HumanShield when possible while Sanji is more fair a much fairer fighter and is frequently the human shield [[TakingTheBullet for his friends]]. Bonus Points for all four Vinsmokes boys being attracted to Nami]].
26th Dec '16 3:27:07 PM Xtifr
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** Of course, irrespective of who's mad, Chrno has a retiring personality and tends to do what he's told, while Aion is the bossy type, so even if Chrno were evil, the fight would be very different...Good Aion would probably lead the same set of {{Nakama}} he does as a villain, and Evil Chrno would [[LonersAreFreaks be utterly alone]].

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** Of course, irrespective of who's mad, Chrno has a retiring personality and tends to do what he's told, while Aion is the bossy type, so even if Chrno were evil, the fight would be very different...Good Aion would probably lead the same set of {{Nakama}} companions he does as a villain, and Evil Chrno would [[LonersAreFreaks be utterly alone]].
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