History DumbMuscle / VideoGames

5th Oct '17 4:18:15 PM Carnel
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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, even though she far surpasses regular humans and yokai in magical ability, to the point that she is at risk of losing her nature as a fairy, and the immortality that goes with it - it could be argued that [[InvertedTrope they're]] dumb muscle compared to ''her'', being physically stronger due to their natures yet unable to use danmaku. For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.

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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, even though she far surpasses regular humans and yokai in magical ability, to the point that she is at risk of losing her nature as a fairy, and the immortality that goes with it - it: in this respect, it could be argued that [[InvertedTrope they're]] dumb muscle compared to ''her'', being physically stronger due to their natures yet unable to use danmaku. For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.
5th Oct '17 4:17:49 PM Carnel
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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, even though she far surpasses regular humans and yokai (to the point that she is at risk of losing her nature as a fairy, and the immortality that goes with it). For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.

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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, even though she far surpasses regular humans and yokai (to in magical ability, to the point that she is at risk of losing her nature as a fairy, and the immortality that goes with it).it - it could be argued that [[InvertedTrope they're]] dumb muscle compared to ''her'', being physically stronger due to their natures yet unable to use danmaku. For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.
6th Sep '17 8:41:44 AM BeerBaron
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* Many of the larger minor races in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', such as [[OurGiantsAreBigger Giants]] and [[ALoadOfBull Minotaurs]], are considered this by the races of Men and [[OurElvesAreBetter Mer]], but most subvert it by displaying greater intelligence than they are typically given credit for. [[OurOgresAreHungrier Ogres]] are one exception, typically being every bit as dumb as they are described to be. Exceptions exist, but they are fairly rare.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
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Many of the series' physically larger minor races in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', races, such as [[OurGiantsAreBigger Giants]] and [[ALoadOfBull Minotaurs]], are considered this by the races of Men and [[OurElvesAreBetter Mer]], but most subvert it by displaying greater intelligence than they are typically given credit for. [[OurOgresAreHungrier Ogres]] are one exception, typically being every bit as dumb as they are described to be. Exceptions exist, but they are fairly rare.rare.
** This is also the case for many forms of the series' [[OurDemonsAreDifferent lesser Daedra]]. Some, like the [[GiantMook massive]] Ogrim and [[NeverSmileAtACrocodile crocodilian]] Daedroth are quite powerful but have little intelligence to speak of. Even among the most intelligent and civilized varieties, such as the [[LegionsOfHell Dremora]] and [[AmazonBrigade Golden Saints]], it tends to be Downplayed. While sapient, they often put HonorBeforeReason and [[LeeroyJenkins prefer to attack issues head-on]], which, despite their power, isn't always the best course of action.
7th Aug '17 3:40:10 PM neosuduno
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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, or even a [[BoisterousWeakling regular person]] on a physical level. For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.

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** Neither are perfect examples. Cirno isn't that strong compared to the rest of the cast, or even a [[BoisterousWeakling though she far surpasses regular person]] on humans and yokai (to the point that she is at risk of losing her nature as a physical level.fairy, and the immortality that goes with it). For the oni, Suika is fairly intelligent, as seen in her story path of ''Immaterial and Missing Power'', Kasen definitely isn't dumb and her status as muscle is dubious, and we just haven't seen much of Yuugi. A better example would be Utsuho, who is extremely powerful, being essentially a living sun, and not all that much smarter than an actual crow. While crows are quite smart ''for birds'', they're still just birds. And most other characters have intelligence that's just as human-like as their appearance.
30th Jul '17 5:13:08 AM Carnel
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* [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Cirno, the Strongest]] [[SubvertedTrope thinks]] she's this, but is closer to a SquishyWizard who [[BoisterousWeakling vastly overestimates her abilities]], and is furthermore considered intelligent for a fairy in the first place regardless.

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* [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Cirno, the Strongest]] [[SubvertedTrope [[WrongGenreSavvy thinks]] she's this, this (being able to pound a nail in with a banana, after all), but is closer to a SquishyWizard who [[BoisterousWeakling vastly overestimates her abilities]], and is furthermore likewise considered intelligent ''smart'' for a fairy in fairy, the first place regardless.average of which is much less intelligent.
16th Jul '17 10:56:25 PM Abodos
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* The Prone race in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' are collectively like this. Their homeworld had been ravaged by a millennia-old war between two rival clans even before the Ganglion incorporated them into their ranks, and that whole time they never developed proper strategy, to the point that one Prone is fascinated by Sun Tzu's writings. They also frequently speak in HulkSpeak. Contrast all this with the [[CatFolk Wrothians]], who are also a ProudWarriorRace but are much more intelligent.
11th Jul '17 9:58:02 AM BeerBaron
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* Many of the larger minor races in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', such as [[OurGiantsAreBigger Giants]] and [[ALoadOfBull Minotaurs]], are considered this by the races of Men and [[OurElvesAreBetter Mer]], but most subvert it by displaying greater intelligence than they are typically given credit for. [[OurOgresAreHungrier Ogres]] are one exception, typically being every bit as dumb as they are described to be. Exceptions exist, but they are fairly rare.
23rd May '17 3:18:23 PM BattleMaster
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* [[ProudWarriorRace Krogan]] are generally considered to be this in ''Franchise/MassEffect'' by the other races, especially salarians and turians, and you'll find plenty of krogan thugs throughout the series that play it straight. Any krogan who's [[NominalImportance actually got a name]] is probably smart enough to avert the trope, though. Wrex, Grunt, and Drack certainly all are, while in Mass Effect 2 and Andromeda there are even krogan scientists, engineers, mechanics, and technical minded individuals who are shown to be quite good at what they do.
19th Apr '17 10:18:06 AM buckmana
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** VideoGame/{{FalloutNewVegas}} has Mean Sonovabitch, a Supermutant employed as a bouncer/guard. He's incredibly simplistic and acquired his name because everyone kept saying he was one, so he assumed it was his name.
*** There's also another Supermutant who kept trying to get his car repaired and functional so he could drive it around. It was a toy car so small only a mouse could fit in it.
15th Apr '17 8:30:08 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' has Strong, another Super Mutant. He's not nearly as smart as Fawkes or Uncle Leo, and thinks the "milk of human kindness'' from ''[[Literatur/{{Macbeth}} "Mack Beth"]]'' is something he can actually drink to become a more powerful Super Mutant.
* In ''VideoGame/LiveALive'', we've got Masaru, a pro-wrestler with absurbly high health and a huge variety of damaging martial arts moves, but no matter how much you LevelGrind, his base IQ always stays at a paltry 25.

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*** Which isn't to say that the Mariposa mutants weren't stupid. By and large most Mariposa mutants were stupid, possibly/partailly due to a mix of radiation damaging the genes of humans (as the Master believed) and/or due an airborne strain of the Forced Evolutionary Virus inoculating wastelanders without mutating them (as Lieutenant believed). Regardless, humans with little to no radiation damage and immunity to [=FEV=] are able to stay smart.
** ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' has Strong, another Super Mutant. He's not nearly as smart as Fawkes or Uncle Leo, and thinks the "milk of human kindness'' kindness" from ''[[Literatur/{{Macbeth}} ''[[Literature/{{Macbeth}} "Mack Beth"]]'' is something he can actually drink to become a more powerful Super Mutant.
* In ''VideoGame/LiveALive'', we've got Masaru, a pro-wrestler with absurbly absurdly high health and a huge variety of damaging martial arts moves, but no matter how much you LevelGrind, his base IQ always stays at a paltry 25.
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