History Dresses / Berserk

13th Dec '15 4:43:10 PM Scabbard
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*** Possibly the most disgusting part of this whole thing is where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], many fans use this argument to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]] (or to at least downgrade the rape and its effects on the story arc).[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I'm not]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 kidding]].]]

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*** Possibly the most disgusting part of this whole thing is where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], many fans use this argument to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]] (or to at least downgrade the rape and its effects on the story arc). [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I'm not]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 kidding]].]]
13th Dec '15 4:02:44 PM Scabbard
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*** Possibly the most disgusting part of this whole thing is where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], many fans use this argument to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]] (or to at least downgrade the rape and its effects on the story arc).[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I'm not]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 kidding]].]]

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*** Possibly the most disgusting part of this whole thing is where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], many fans use this argument to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]] (or to at least downgrade the rape and its effects on the story arc).[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 php?tid=14040 I'm not]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 kidding]].]]
12th Sep '15 7:14:18 AM NoxArtemis
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*** Let's not even get into the part where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], [[RapeIsLove many fans use this argument]] to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]].[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I kid you]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 not]].]]

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*** Let's not even get into Possibly the most disgusting part of this whole thing is where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], [[RapeIsLove many fans use this argument]] argument to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]].couple]] (or to at least downgrade the rape and its effects on the story arc).[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I kid you]] I'm not]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 not]].kidding]].]]
23rd Apr '15 2:22:46 PM nombretomado
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* The fact that Caska becomes Guts' love interest at one point is enough to make even the inexplicably numerous and fanatically loyal ''{{Berserk}}'' fans to criticise their favorite anime for making the perfect ActionGirl into a [[SatelliteLoveInterest mere chick whose only purpose is to satisfy Guts' ego]].

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* The fact that Caska becomes Guts' love interest at one point is enough to make even the inexplicably numerous and fanatically loyal ''{{Berserk}}'' ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'' fans to criticise their favorite anime for making the perfect ActionGirl into a [[SatelliteLoveInterest mere chick whose only purpose is to satisfy Guts' ego]].
5th Jan '13 6:20:59 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The fact that Caska becomes Guts' love interest at one point is enough to make even the inexplicably numerous and fanatically loyal ''{{Berserk}}'' fans to criticise their favorite anime for making the perfect ActionGirl into a [[ShallowLoveInterest mere chick whose only purpose is to satisfy Guts' ego]].

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* The fact that Caska becomes Guts' love interest at one point is enough to make even the inexplicably numerous and fanatically loyal ''{{Berserk}}'' fans to criticise their favorite anime for making the perfect ActionGirl into a [[ShallowLoveInterest [[SatelliteLoveInterest mere chick whose only purpose is to satisfy Guts' ego]].
21st Oct '12 7:53:45 AM Oreochan
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**** All in all, some fans seem to mistake a very serious case of [[spoiler:Rape]] Trauma Syndrome with {{Chickification}}. Remember people: [[spoiler: rape and sexual assault is still a very taboo topic to discuss in the real world, let alone in fiction, and is often inaccurately depicted. Rape is one of the only serious crimes where the victim is blamed more than the attacker, and judging from [[DracoInLeatherPants some fan reactions]], ''Berserk'' is no different. ''Berserk'' is one of the very few works in manga that shows us realistic behavior that a rape victim would go through. Just look at Casca right after the fact: [[TroubledFetalPosition she's paranoid of her surroundings]], DoesNotLikeMen, HatesBeingTouched, [[ThousandYardStare zones off and is unaware of her surroundings]], [[ShowerOfAngst obsessed with cleansing herself]], [[TheInsomniac has trouble sleeping]] and eating, [[FlashbackEcho has flashbacks from time to time]], and suffered from anxiety and [[HystericalWoman hysteria]] so severe that she has been mentally regressed to something [[AdultChild less than a child.]]]] This woman has a long road ahead of her. [[ThrowTheDogABone She doesn't need this.]]

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**** All in all, some fans seem to mistake a very serious case of [[spoiler:Rape]] Trauma Syndrome with {{Chickification}}. Remember people: [[spoiler: rape and sexual assault is still a very taboo topic to discuss in the real world, let alone in fiction, and is often inaccurately depicted. Rape is one of the only serious crimes where the victim is blamed more than the attacker, and judging from [[DracoInLeatherPants some fan reactions]], ''Berserk'' is no different. ''Berserk'' is one of the very few works in manga that shows us realistic behavior that a rape victim would go through. Just look at Casca right after the fact: [[TroubledFetalPosition she's paranoid of her surroundings]], DoesNotLikeMen, HatesBeingTouched, [[ThousandYardStare zones off and is unaware of her surroundings]], [[ShowerOfAngst obsessed with cleansing herself]], [[TheInsomniac has trouble sleeping]] and eating, [[FlashbackEcho has flashbacks from time to time]], and suffered from anxiety and [[HystericalWoman hysteria]] so severe that she has been mentally regressed to something [[AdultChild less than a child.]]]] ]] This woman has a long road ahead of her. [[ThrowTheDogABone She doesn't need this.]]
25th Jul '12 6:57:26 AM NoxArtemis
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*** Not to mention that one has to take into account that Casca's mind regressed into something that is almost animalistic. [[UnfortunateImplications As degrading as it sounds,]] Casca doesn't think with logic and is really dependent on her instincts for survival, so when someone poses a clear and present threat to her, she reacts to protect herself, hence, the reason why she fears Guts for the time being.
24th Jul '12 8:31:13 AM NoxArtemis
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**** All in all, some fans seem to mistake a very serious case of [[spoiler:Rape]] Trauma Syndrome with {{Chickification}}. Remember people: [[spoiler: rape and sexual assault is still a very taboo topic to discuss in the real world, let alone in fiction, and is often inaccurately depicted. Rape is one of the only serious crimes where the victim is blamed more than the attacker, and judging from [[DracoInLeatherPants some fan reactions]], ''Berserk'' is no different. ''Berserk'' is one of the very few works in manga that shows us realistic behavior that a rape victim would go through. Just look at Casca right after the fact: [[TroubledFetalPosition she's paranoid of her surroundings]], DoesNotLikeMen, HatesBeingTouched, [[ThousandYardStare zones off and is unaware of her surroundings]], [[ShowerOfAngst obsessed with cleansing herself]], [[TheInsomniac has trouble sleeping]] and eating, has flashbacks from time to time, and suffered from anxiety and hysteria so severe that she has been mentally regressed to something [[AdultChild less than a child.]]]] This woman has a long road ahead of her. [[ThrowTheDogABone She doesn't need this.]]

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**** All in all, some fans seem to mistake a very serious case of [[spoiler:Rape]] Trauma Syndrome with {{Chickification}}. Remember people: [[spoiler: rape and sexual assault is still a very taboo topic to discuss in the real world, let alone in fiction, and is often inaccurately depicted. Rape is one of the only serious crimes where the victim is blamed more than the attacker, and judging from [[DracoInLeatherPants some fan reactions]], ''Berserk'' is no different. ''Berserk'' is one of the very few works in manga that shows us realistic behavior that a rape victim would go through. Just look at Casca right after the fact: [[TroubledFetalPosition she's paranoid of her surroundings]], DoesNotLikeMen, HatesBeingTouched, [[ThousandYardStare zones off and is unaware of her surroundings]], [[ShowerOfAngst obsessed with cleansing herself]], [[TheInsomniac has trouble sleeping]] and eating, [[FlashbackEcho has flashbacks from time to time, time]], and suffered from anxiety and hysteria [[HystericalWoman hysteria]] so severe that she has been mentally regressed to something [[AdultChild less than a child.]]]] This woman has a long road ahead of her. [[ThrowTheDogABone She doesn't need this.]]
23rd Jul '12 7:48:38 AM NoxArtemis
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*** [[AndAnotherThing One MORE thing.]] Remember the brand which signals a free human meal to every apostle in a ten-mile radius? Yeah, people tend to forget that that thing doesn't only bleed - it hurts. Really, really, really, ''really'', '''REALLY''' badly depending on how close you are to a power apostle. Guts is [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower overflowing with raw power and muscle]] and he can just ''barely'' stand being in the presence of Femto at the beginning of the story. Now, let's get back to Casca, who was, in all actually, the closest ANYONE has physically been to a Godhand, the most powerful of the apostles. And this all happens when [[spoiler: she is being held in place and raped in very horrific ways in front of a man she loves while at the same time being subjected to [[ColdBloodedTorture EXCRUCIATING PHYSICAL PAIN]]]]... needless to say: '''''SHE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE ENJOYING THIS!!'''''

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*** [[AndAnotherThing One MORE thing.]] Remember the brand which signals a free human meal to every apostle in a ten-mile radius? Yeah, people tend to forget that that thing doesn't only bleed - bleed, it hurts. Really, hurts - really, really, really, ''really'', '''REALLY''' badly depending on how close you are to a power apostle. Guts is [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower overflowing with raw power and muscle]] and he can just ''barely'' stand being in the presence of Femto at the beginning of the story. Now, let's get back to Casca, who was, in all actually, the closest ANYONE has physically been to a Godhand, the most powerful of the apostles. And this all happens when [[spoiler: she is being held in place and raped in very horrific ways in front of a man she loves while at the same time being subjected to [[ColdBloodedTorture EXCRUCIATING PHYSICAL PAIN]]]]... needless to say: '''''SHE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE ENJOYING THIS!!'''''
6th Jul '12 11:03:19 AM Nocturna
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*** Let's not even get into the part where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler: [[ItsNotRapeIfYouEnjoyedIt that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], [[RapeIsLove many fans use this argument]] to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]].[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I kid you]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 not]].]]

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*** Let's not even get into the part where some fans use this traumatic experience to turn the tables by saying that ''Casca'' was a bitch in order to give Griffith [[DracoInLeatherPants the benefit of the doubt]] after his MoralEventHorizon by claiming [[spoiler: [[ItsNotRapeIfYouEnjoyedIt [[spoiler:[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization that Casca enjoyed being raped by Griffith]], that she was feeling such physical pleasure that she merely said "[[LittleNo stop]]", [[NoMeansYes "no"]], and [[DontLookAtMe "don't watch"]] just so the act of she and Griffith engaging in intercourse wouldn't offend Guts, and that Guts is so mad at Griffith because [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt he managed to give Casca the ultimate pleasure]] while he couldn't as her official love interest. And as surprising as all this is, [[DieForOurShip even though they blast Casca for it]], [[RapeIsLove many fans use this argument]] to ''support'' their ship for Griffith and Casca [[{{OTP}} as a couple]].[[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=14040 I kid you]] [[http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=5&tid=2137 not]].]]
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