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19th Jan '17 7:14:45 PM Give1Take2
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* HoneyTrap[=/=]DeathBySex: Zevran reveals that the Crows tend to raise physically attractive assassins so they can easily seduce their targets if need be.


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* RaceFetish: Exploited. Zevran notes that the Crows like to recruit elves because humans find them very attractive, as well as non-threatening since most elves are second-class in human society.


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* GoodVictimsBadVictims: They'll go to any lengths to support apostates who wish to escape the Circles. They offer no such protection for apostates who turn out to be blood mages, and will actively try to take them out themselves.
18th Jan '17 11:43:11 AM Give1Take2
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* GossipEvolution: Since most Jennies get their mark from the grapevine (with disgruntled employees who complain to someone who complains to someone who eventually complains to a Red Jenny, and then Jennies themselves get their marks from the word-of-mouth inside their ranks), it's almost impossible to tell which nobles get exactly what was coming to them, and how many are a case of DisproportionateRetribution. See VengeanceFeelsEmpty.



* JustLikeRobinHood: So they think. Their main goal is to stop nobles and other powerful people from preying on the weak. That said, they're not above petty crime or the occasional assassination. They also tend to keep the spoils of their exploits for themselves, rather than giving any money to the poor they claim to want to help.
-->'''Sera:''' Someone got a laugh, someone got paid, and someone got even.
* KarmicThief: What they actually are. They tend to rob their noble targets blind, and then keep the spoils for themselves. But hey, it's against rich nobles who get their wealth and power by exploiting and mistreating the lower classes, so that makes it okay for Red Jennies to pocket that same money and goods for themselves.



* JustLikeRobinHood: Their main goal is to stop nobles and other powerful people from preying on the weak. That said, they're not above petty crime or the occasional assassination.
18th Jan '17 11:01:57 AM Give1Take2
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* InherentInTheSystem: No matter what side you fall on in the Mage/Templar debate, by ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition DAI]]'' most characters on both sides admit the problems and abuses in the Circles are inherent in how the Templar Order is trained and leashed by the Chantry.
** Alistair from ''[[VideoGames/DragonAgeOrigins DAO]]'' reveals that Templars are trained to mistrust all mages before they're even ordained. [[{{Telepathy}} Mind-reading]] Cole from ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition DAI]]'' reveals that "it's dangerous when too many men in armor think they're right," as well as the fact that most Templars are ''encouraged'' by the Chantry, their fellows, and their experiences to not see mages as people because otherwise the moral ones couldn't last in a job that forces them to imprison and slaughter innocents.
** ''[[VideoGame/DragonAge2 DA2]]'' and ''Literature/{{Asunder}}'' elaborate on how a system that gives one group complete power and ''[[WhatYouAreInTheDark privacy]]'' over another, as well as the power to silence and discredit its victims (either by making them Tranquil or claiming they used blood magic) prevents both mages and good Templars from reforming the Circles from within.
** [[spoiler:It's telling that all three new Divines at the end of ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition DAI]]'', from ultra-liberal Leliana to ultra-conservative Vivienne, reform the Templar Order and/or Circles at least a ''little'' following the war.]]


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* SociopathicSoldier: The codex outright admits that this happens more often than most people like to admit, since the prerequisite of being a Templar is [[ExactWords unquestioning loyalty to the Chantry]], rather than staunch moral goodness. The Chantry often shields or puts up with misbehavior from amoral Templars who obey them, but often fire or demote righteous Templars who disobey or stand up to them.
* WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency: Some of their less scrupulous members have this attitude regarding their mistreatment of mages. Hey, at least they don't slaughter every mage they come across (usually), or cut out their tongues and render them PeoplePuppets like the [[AntiMagicalFaction Qunari]] do to ''their'' mages.


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* WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency: Their attitude regarding mages and elves.
** In response to mounting evidence that horrific abuses (both physical and spiritual) were commonplace in Circles, the Chantry's official stance is that after all the horrible things ''[[TheMagocracy Tevinter]]'' did, the Chantry should be ''praised'' for not simply killing all mages in the crib, nor cutting out their tongues and using magic rods to render them PeoplePuppets like those savage [[AntiMagicalFaction Qunari]] do.
** After conquering and appropriating the elves' second homeland, the Chantry likes to [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_City_Elves boast]] that they ''could have'' slaughtered every elf down to the last man, woman, and child, but they showed "mercy" by allowing elves who capitulated to human law and religion to live in {{fantastic ghetto}}s as servants and second-class citizens. Many modern Chantry priests and scholars can't believe how ''ungrateful'' those uppity elves are for not appreciating the ''mercy'' the Chantry showed them by ''not'' committing genocide against their species.
9th Jan '17 5:24:49 PM Morgenthaler
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* HolierThanThou: The Orlesian Chantry towards the Imperial Chantry and vice-versa. The Schism of the Chantry began with both sides accusing the other of corruption and questioning each other's legitimacy. [[NotSoDifferent Both sides]] [[StrawmanHasAPoint kind of have a point.]] While the Tevinters did do away with any rules that could limit them in any way (mages and men in power), the Orlesians are just as guilty of editing the Chant of Light for their own benefit (see OrwellianEditor below). Despite claiming themselves as morally superior, both Chantries are deeply intertwined with the politics of their respective countries (see {{Theocracy}} for the Andrastian Chantry). Finally, both Chantries do have severe levels of corruption within certain organizations within their control. In Tevinter, just about every Mage in the Circle is expected to be power-hungry Blood Mage while the Templars are just powerless, glorified guards; while quite a few Andrastian Templars have devolved into {{Blood Knight}}s who prey on weaker Mages in their custody.

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* HolierThanThou: The Orlesian Chantry towards the Imperial Chantry and vice-versa. The Schism of the Chantry began with both sides accusing the other of corruption and questioning each other's legitimacy. [[NotSoDifferent Both sides]] [[StrawmanHasAPoint kind of have a point.]] While the Tevinters did do away with any rules that could limit them in any way (mages and men in power), the Orlesians are just as guilty of editing the Chant of Light for their own benefit (see OrwellianEditor below). Despite claiming themselves as morally superior, both Chantries are deeply intertwined with the politics of their respective countries (see {{Theocracy}} TheTheocracy for the Andrastian Chantry). Finally, both Chantries do have severe levels of corruption within certain organizations within their control. In Tevinter, just about every Mage in the Circle is expected to be power-hungry Blood Mage while the Templars are just powerless, glorified guards; while quite a few Andrastian Templars have devolved into {{Blood Knight}}s who prey on weaker Mages in their custody.
25th Dec '16 11:19:13 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** GenreSavvy: Master Ignatio and the Crows who recognize it's better to ''hire'' the Warden to do their work than try to kill him.
*** It's implied most Crows are smart enough ''not'' to take suicide missions like going after the Grey Warden.
22nd Nov '16 9:31:40 AM Immortalbear
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* BreadandCircuses: The Circle offers many comforts, provided they aren't run by abusive templars like in Kirkwall. Mages in the Circle technically always have a roof over their heads, are well supplied so they never have to worry about starvation, have a number of books and scholars on hand for all inhabitants, so they have a better education than the common population, and are surrounded by knights so if an invasion or national threat does happen they can depend on Templars to help them. The Circle was arguably the safest place in Ferelden during the Fifth Blight until Uldred started inviting demons inside it. A dilemma among the mage community is if they should give up these comforts in exchange for freedom, or if there should be some sort of middle ground.
20th Nov '16 2:36:10 PM nighttrainfm
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* TheLastDance: Faced with the choice of either death via Taint or becoming a ghoul, Senior Wardens nearing the end of their thirty years choose to head to Orzammar for their Calling; there, they enjoy a final night of feasting with the dwarves and other compatriots before venturing into the Deep Roads to launch a [[TakingYouWithMe suicide attack]] against the darkspawn, in the hopes of [[DoNotGoGentle killing as many as possible before they die]].

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Faced with the choice of either death via Taint or becoming a ghoul, Senior Wardens nearing the end of their thirty years choose to head to Orzammar for their Calling; there, they enjoy a final night of feasting with the dwarves and other compatriots before venturing into the Deep Roads to launch a [[TakingYouWithMe suicide attack]] against the darkspawn, in the hopes of [[DoNotGoGentle killing as many as possible before they die]].die.]]



* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: Unfortunately, due to the long stretches between Blights and the common (mistaken) belief that the darkspawn were wiped out after the Fourth Blight, the Grey Wardens were largely considered an antiquated relic by the time the Fifth Blight began in Ferelden.

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* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything:
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Unfortunately, due to the long stretches between Blights and the common (mistaken) belief that the darkspawn were wiped out after the Fourth Blight, the Grey Wardens were largely considered an antiquated relic by the time the Fifth Blight began in Ferelden.
20th Nov '16 2:34:38 PM nighttrainfm
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* MultinationalTeam: Besides having chapters in every surface nation on Thedas (with the exception of [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Qunari]]), membership in the Wardens is also open to all peoples and faiths.

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Besides having chapters in every surface nation on Thedas (with the exception of [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Qunari]]), Par Vollen), membership in the Wardens is also open to all peoples and faiths.
19th Nov '16 3:14:11 PM nighttrainfm
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* BrokenBase: An in-universe example occurs in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening Awakening]]'', when the Warden-Commander's decision to possibly [[spoiler: ally with the Architect]] is considered ''very'' controversial amongst their companions, as well as with Wardens in other countries.

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An in-universe example occurs in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening Awakening]]'', when the Warden-Commander's decision to possibly [[spoiler: ally with the Architect]] is considered ''very'' controversial amongst their companions, as well as with Wardens in other countries.countries.
** The events of ''Inquisition'' leads to fierce arguments over the order's future, especially if you [[spoiler: recruit the Adamant faction rather than exile them.]] The schism comes down to whether they should stick to their old methods or drop the secrecy and work more openly with the rest of the world. Various comments suggest it's a step away from civil war.
6th Nov '16 3:36:52 PM Immortalbear
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** Quite a few of the saner apostates are mentioned as having actual Templar friends who tolerate their existence outside the circles and run some light interference when neeeded. This makes a fair bit of sense, as apostates who antagonize the order obviously wouldn't last long.

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** Quite a few of the saner apostates are mentioned as having actual Templar friends who tolerate their existence outside the circles and run some light interference when neeeded.needed. This makes a fair bit of sense, as apostates who antagonize the order obviously wouldn't last long.
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