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24th May '16 6:01:59 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In the old ''{{Voltron}}'' cartoon, many girls adored the [[CardCarryingVillain self-proclaimed evil]] Prince Lotor, despite his attempts not only to kidnap Princess Allura, kill the Voltron Force and raze her planet to a pile of ash, but also (and repeatedly) to force her into marriage, brainwash her, or commit various other despicable acts; he has never shown an ounce of remorse for any of this. Many fans will attempt to argue that he was forced to do this by his father, even though he hatched and enjoyed half these plans, and though he continued making them after he usurped his father. Others will say it's all out of love for Allura, even though he was willing to throw her away for another princess that looked just like her.

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* In the old ''{{Voltron}}'' ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'' cartoon, many girls adored the [[CardCarryingVillain self-proclaimed evil]] Prince Lotor, despite his attempts not only to kidnap Princess Allura, kill the Voltron Force and raze her planet to a pile of ash, but also (and repeatedly) to force her into marriage, brainwash her, or commit various other despicable acts; he has never shown an ounce of remorse for any of this. Many fans will attempt to argue that he was forced to do this by his father, even though he hatched and enjoyed half these plans, and though he continued making them after he usurped his father. Others will say it's all out of love for Allura, even though he was willing to throw her away for another princess that looked just like her.
15th May '16 5:55:22 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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** Trixie from "Boast Busters" had fans protesting she was just a traveling entertainer (true) whose audience was being unnecessarily mocking and hostile, that she was justified in humiliating Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash in front of their friends and neighbors, and that she was unjustly punished at the end of the episode, largely ignoring that she's a boastful, lying egomaniac both on- ''and'' off-stage. She did seem guilty about one of her lies indirectly leading to [[BearsAreBadNews an Ursa Minor attacking Ponyville]] and admirably ''tried'' to fight it off, but after the threat is dealt with by Twilight Sprakle, she's right back to being all bluff and bravado. At the end of "Magic Duel" Trixie does have a supposed HeelFaceTurn and renames herself as "The Great and ''Apologetic'' Trixie". Funnily enough, the reason she initially stated for her revenge (having her reputation and livelihood destroyed) were the exact same things her fans complained about. This came back in full force in "No Second Prances" as some fans cried foul at what they thought was a KnightTemplar Twilight Sparkle destroying Trixie's emerging friendship with Starlight Glimmer when it was actually Trixie opening her mouth and seeing how many hooves she can fit into it that ruined their friendship temporarily.

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** Trixie from "Boast Busters" had fans protesting she was just a traveling entertainer (true) whose audience was being unnecessarily mocking and hostile, that she was justified in humiliating Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash in front of their friends and neighbors, and that she was unjustly punished at the end of the episode, largely ignoring that she's a boastful, lying egomaniac both on- ''and'' off-stage. She did seem guilty about one of her lies indirectly leading to [[BearsAreBadNews an Ursa Minor attacking Ponyville]] and admirably ''tried'' to fight it off, but after the threat is dealt with by Twilight Sprakle, she's right back to being all bluff and bravado. At the end of "Magic Duel" Trixie does have a supposed HeelFaceTurn and renames herself as "The Great and ''Apologetic'' Trixie". Funnily enough, the reason she initially stated for her revenge (having her reputation and livelihood destroyed) were the exact same things her fans complained about. This came back in full force in "No Second Prances" as some fans cried foul at what they thought was a KnightTemplar Twilight Sparkle destroying Trixie's emerging friendship with Starlight Glimmer when it was actually Trixie [[OpenMouthInsertFoot opening her mouth and seeing how many hooves she can fit into it it]] that ruined their friendship temporarily.
4th May '16 1:01:34 PM Blazer
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** Trixie from "Boast Busters" had fans protesting she was just a traveling entertainer (true) whose audience was being unnecessarily mocking and hostile, that she was justified in humiliating Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash in front of their friends and neighbors, and that she was unjustly punished at the end of the episode, largely ignoring that she's a boastful, lying egomaniac both on- ''and'' off-stage. She did seem guilty about one of her lies indirectly leading to [[BearsAreBadNews an Ursa Minor attacking Ponyville]] and admirably ''tried'' to fight it off, but after the threat is dealt with by Twilight Sprakle, she's right back to being all bluff and bravado. At the end of "Magic Duel" Trixie does have a legitimate HeelFaceTurn and renames herself as "The Great and ''Apologetic'' Trixie". Funnily enough, the reason she initially stated for her revenge (having her reputation and livelihood destroyed) were the exact same things her fans complained about.

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** Trixie from "Boast Busters" had fans protesting she was just a traveling entertainer (true) whose audience was being unnecessarily mocking and hostile, that she was justified in humiliating Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash in front of their friends and neighbors, and that she was unjustly punished at the end of the episode, largely ignoring that she's a boastful, lying egomaniac both on- ''and'' off-stage. She did seem guilty about one of her lies indirectly leading to [[BearsAreBadNews an Ursa Minor attacking Ponyville]] and admirably ''tried'' to fight it off, but after the threat is dealt with by Twilight Sprakle, she's right back to being all bluff and bravado. At the end of "Magic Duel" Trixie does have a legitimate supposed HeelFaceTurn and renames herself as "The Great and ''Apologetic'' Trixie". Funnily enough, the reason she initially stated for her revenge (having her reputation and livelihood destroyed) were the exact same things her fans complained about. This came back in full force in "No Second Prances" as some fans cried foul at what they thought was a KnightTemplar Twilight Sparkle destroying Trixie's emerging friendship with Starlight Glimmer when it was actually Trixie opening her mouth and seeing how many hooves she can fit into it that ruined their friendship temporarily.
29th Apr '16 3:57:09 PM GodzillaGuy92
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** Fanfics about ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' often depict the RoguesGallery as a fun-loving bunch of lovable misfits who are unfairly and brutally harassed by [[RonTheDeathEater the humorless Caped Crusader]]. Never mind that even in the kids' show's context, most of the Rogues were originally apprehended for attempting ruthless murders on hapless civilians for imagined or exaggerated slights, and that when Batman was put on trial for supposedly creating his foes, the jury of villains found him ''not guilty'' in the end and decided that they were responsible for their own messed-up behavior. Then they tried to kill Batman anyway.

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** Fanfics about ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' often depict the RoguesGallery as a fun-loving bunch of lovable misfits who are unfairly and brutally harassed by [[RonTheDeathEater the humorless Caped Crusader]]. Never mind that even in the kids' show's context, most of the Rogues were originally apprehended for attempting ruthless murders on hapless civilians for imagined or exaggerated slights, and that when Batman was put on trial for supposedly creating his foes, the jury of villains found him ''not guilty'' in the end and decided that they were responsible for their own messed-up behavior. [[ForTheEvulz Then they tried to kill Batman anyway.]]
*** Ivy in particular gets this a lot because [[EvilIsSexy she is so hot and sexy]], because she's [[DeadpanSnarker quick-witted and funny]], and also because she [[PetTheDog occasionally acts as a big sister to the naive and put-upon Harley Quinn]], who ''does'' suffer a great deal at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and various others and legitimately deserves some sympathy herself. However, none of this should make anyone forget that the rest of the time she's a nasty piece of work, [[DisproportionateRetribution killing people left and right for her own insane reasons]] (or, on one heinous occasion, trying to turn them into ''trees'' after exposing them to a plant-based elixir that she promised would grant them immortality), and also being a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]], using her goddess-like beauty to weaken men's resolve or [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful squirm her way out of being punished for her actions]].
*** The Penguin also gets the JerkassWoobie treatment: it's easy to feel sorry for a short, funny-looking man who gets looked down on by many people. This is particularly the case in the early episode "Birds of a Feather", where it's shown that he commits crimes (all of them as nonviolent as he can possibly make them, unless he gets ''really'' angry) either simply [[ItAmusedMe for fun]] or to win some respect for himself. That episode even opens with him [[AffablyEvil speaking politely and amicably]] to a man he's just tied up and is robbing. It's clear, at least in these early appearances, that the Penguin doesn't ''want'' to hurt anyone; it's just that he feels being a crook is [[ItsWhatIDo what he was meant to do in life]].



** Ivy in particular gets this a lot because [[EvilIsSexy she is so hot and sexy]], because she's [[DeadpanSnarker quick-witted and funny]], and also because she [[PetTheDog occasionally acts as a big sister to the naive and put-upon Harley Quinn]], who ''does'' suffer a great deal at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker and various others and legitimately deserves some sympathy herself. However, none of this should make anyone forget that the rest of the time she's a nasty piece of work, [[DisproportionateRetribution killing people left and right for her own insane reasons]] (or, on one heinous occasion, trying to turn them into ''trees'' after exposing them to a plant-based elixir that she promised would grant them immortality), and also being a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]], using her goddess-like beauty to weaken men's resolve or [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful squirm her way out of being punished for her actions]].
** The Penguin also gets the JerkassWoobie treatment: it's easy to feel sorry for a short, funny-looking man who gets looked down on by many people. This is particularly the case in the early episode "Birds of a Feather", where it's shown that he commits crimes (all of them as nonviolent as he can possibly make them, unless he gets ''really'' angry) either simply [[ItAmusedMe for fun]] or to win some respect for himself. That episode even opens with him [[AffablyEvil speaking politely and amicably]] to a man he's just tied up and is robbing. It's clear, at least in these early appearances, that the Penguin doesn't ''want'' to hurt anyone; it's just that he feels being a crook is [[ItsWhatIDo what he was meant to do in life]].
6th Feb '16 10:21:30 PM Klavice
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** Speaking of villainous pegasi that get the treatment, there's also Wind Rider from ''Rarity Investigates'' who's often written as Lightning Dust's loving father who only tried to frame Rainbow Dash because it was her fault that his daughter lost her dreams. Never mind the fact Wind Rider doesn't look old enough to have a daughter in her early twenties though that could be ArtisticAge, and he tried to get Rainbow Dash kicked out for nothing besides the fact ''she was close to breaking his record''. Fans who like both and don't go for the father/daughter idea have them form their own "Wonderbolts" and have them give a HumiliationConga to the actual Wonderbolts. Or sometimes, Wind Rider is seen as the ''reason'' Lightning Dust is an uncaring sociopath. (Once again from the father/daughter route) Either way, both of these pegasi are treated like innocent woobies, and fans demonize the actual Wonderbolts and Rainbow Dash and use the episode "Rainbow Falls" as proof that Wind Rider is the only good Wonderbolt.
** Even ''Tirek'' the SatanicArchetype that he is, gets the leather pants by fans thinking like Discord and Diamond Tiara, he just wanted friends and felt [[ThenLetMeBeEvil betrayed]] when his brother joined the ponies and ignored him. These same fans are quick to ignore the fact that he destroyed Twilight's beloved tree home, drained the life force out of everypony, and in a bad future in the S5 Finale, blasts the ''shit'' out of the entire world while growing to increasingly terrifying heights and not giving a damn that ponies are being hurt by his actions. Fans will give him an excuse that his parents were at the very least neglectful or raised him TheSpartanWay, his brother was the cause of his evil.
30th Jan '16 1:34:32 AM bwburke94
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** Ivy in particular gets this a lot because [[EvilIsSexy she is so hot and sexy]], because she's [[DeadpanSnarker quick-witted and funny]], and also because she [[PetTheDog occasionally acts as a big sister to the naive and put-upon Harley Quinn]], who ''does'' suffer a great deal at the hands of TheJoker and various others and legitimately deserves some sympathy herself. However, none of this should make anyone forget that the rest of the time she's a nasty piece of work, [[DisproportionateRetribution killing people left and right for her own insane reasons]] (or, on one heinous occasion, trying to turn them into ''trees'' after exposing them to a plant-based elixir that she promised would grant them immortality), and also being a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]], using her goddess-like beauty to weaken men's resolve or [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful squirm her way out of being punished for her actions]].

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** Ivy in particular gets this a lot because [[EvilIsSexy she is so hot and sexy]], because she's [[DeadpanSnarker quick-witted and funny]], and also because she [[PetTheDog occasionally acts as a big sister to the naive and put-upon Harley Quinn]], who ''does'' suffer a great deal at the hands of TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker and various others and legitimately deserves some sympathy herself. However, none of this should make anyone forget that the rest of the time she's a nasty piece of work, [[DisproportionateRetribution killing people left and right for her own insane reasons]] (or, on one heinous occasion, trying to turn them into ''trees'' after exposing them to a plant-based elixir that she promised would grant them immortality), and also being a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]], using her goddess-like beauty to weaken men's resolve or [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful squirm her way out of being punished for her actions]].
12th Jan '16 7:00:06 AM Kalaong
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** Recurring character and WellIntentionedExtremist Jet had a lot of fans rationalizing his act of [[KickTheDog flooding a village that was filled with civilians to kill a few Fire Nation soldiers]] (to the point where only a handful seem to remember that it was an ''Earth Kingdom'' village, not a Fire Nation one), which is missing the point. Even Jet himself later seems to realize he went too far there and that his psychological desire for revenge ''really'' overcame his heroic desire to be a freedom fighter, and works [[TheAtoner to atone for it.]]
** [[EvilChancellor Long Feng]] and his [[SecretPolice Dai Li]] are sometimes given this treatment, with their [[OrwellianEditor Orwellian]] methods and repression of Ba Sing Se painted as the act of true patriots who were compelled to do whatever it took to keep their city safe.

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** Recurring character and WellIntentionedExtremist Jet had a lot of fans rationalizing his act of [[KickTheDog flooding a village that was filled with civilians to kill a few Fire Nation soldiers]] (to the point where only a handful seem to remember that it was an ''Earth Kingdom'' village, village under occupation, not a Fire Nation one), colony), which is missing the point. Even Jet himself later seems to realize he went too far there and that his psychological desire for revenge ''really'' overcame his heroic desire to be a freedom fighter, and works [[TheAtoner to atone for it.]]
** [[EvilChancellor Long Feng]] and his [[SecretPolice Dai Li]] are sometimes given this treatment, with their [[OrwellianEditor Orwellian]] methods and repression of Ba Sing Se painted as the act of true patriots who were compelled to do whatever it took to keep their city safe. [[Fanfic/{{Embers}} Case in point.]]
8th Dec '15 8:51:33 PM Ugolino
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** The ''Anime/TransformersArmada'' incarnation of Starscream is pretty much entirely remembered for the period he defected to the Autobots. Based on how people talk about it, you'd think it happened in the first episode and he served the good guys with honorable conviction, as opposed to lasting a total of three episodes where his entire motivation was that he wanted to kill his boss and he thought it'd be more convenient to do so with allies. He does make a somewhat more genuine HeelFaceTurn towards the end of the series, and even a HeroicSacrifice, but even then, he was hardly the "hero on the wrong side" many refer to him as. Fans of the character also tend to toss his later ''Energon'' and ''Cybertron'' appearances, where he was completely evil, into FanonDiscontinuity.
7th Nov '15 9:26:34 PM germanlureag
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* ''WebAnimation/HappyTreeFriends'' fandom does this with Evil Flippy, insisting that he's really just misunderstood and needs the "twu wuv" of [[ShrinkingViolet Flaky]], a MarySue, or [[ScrewYourself his good side]] in order to become an upstanding member of society. Never mind that [[FanDumb they've already got Good Flippy to toy with.]]

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* ''WebAnimation/HappyTreeFriends'' fandom does this with Evil Flippy, insisting that he's really just misunderstood and needs the "twu wuv" of [[ShrinkingViolet Flaky]], a MarySue, or [[ScrewYourself his good side]] in order to become an upstanding member of society. Never mind that [[FanDumb they've already got Good Flippy to toy with.]]



** Most of the villains get this treatment. There are some fans who will portray Scott as kinder for the sake of [=DawnxScott=], and even ''Mal'' is portrayed as having a shred of goodness in him in some fanon, despite being essentially the embodiment of chaotic evil.

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** Most of the villains get this treatment. There are some fans who will portray Scott as kinder for the sake of [=DawnxScott=], someone, and even ''Mal'' is portrayed as having a shred of goodness in him in some fanon, despite being essentially the embodiment of chaotic evil.
7th Nov '15 6:26:27 PM Ugolino
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** Strangely, these views seems to be endorsed by [[AllLovingHero Steven himself]], who consistently takes a generous view on their actions. He dismisses insults to Lapis as "She was just trying to find her way home," and has to be actively reminded several times ([[spoiler: prior to her HeelFaceTurn]]) that Peridot is their enemy. The closest he ever comes to acknowledging a Homeworld Gem doing a bad thing is when he calls Jasper "mean." It's perhaps worth noting that Steven's trusting attitude seems to bear a great deal of fruit, with both Lapis and Peridot regarding him as their friend, and most of their more positive actions being done for him.
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