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29th Apr '17 10:33:43 PM Isaac_Heller
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** The original Terra gets this as well. Part of it is due to UnfortunateImplications of her being portrayed as sociopathic ''and'' promiscuous at her young age to show how "evil" she was (enough to sleep with the middle-aged Deathstroke), while another part is due to some fans holding the idea that she could have been rehabilitated and redeemed of her hate by the Titans. A retcon by Brad Meltzer also cast Terra as a victim of circumstance, driven to insanity by Deathstroke drugging her. Even keeping that in mind, there are fans that will ignore that Terra deliberately murdered Beast Boy's first adoptive father (King Tawaba), and that she was also a dangerous manipulator before she'd even met Deathstroke.

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** The original Terra gets this as well. Part of it is due to UnfortunateImplications of her being portrayed as sociopathic ''and'' promiscuous at her young age to show how "evil" she was (enough to sleep with the middle-aged Deathstroke), while another part is due to some fans holding the idea that she could have been rehabilitated and redeemed of her hate by the Titans. A retcon by Brad Meltzer also cast Terra as a victim of circumstance, driven to insanity by Deathstroke drugging her. Even keeping that in mind, there are fans that will ignore that Terra deliberately quite possibly murdered Beast Boy's first adoptive father (King Tawaba), Tawaba)[[note]]Deathstroke mentions that she did it off-panel, but it's never brought up again afterward[[/note]], and that she was also a dangerous manipulator before she'd even met Deathstroke.Deathstroke.
** Speaking of Deathstroke, he himself has also had this applied to him by fans. Much of it came because after George Perez left the series, Marv Wolfman himself applied it to Deathstroke, treating him as legitimate AntiVillain with a code of honor who was just caught in a bad situation and didn't truly want to kill the Titans, allowing him to become an AntiHero and friendly ally of their's even though none of this jived well with his previous characterization from when Perez was still on board, in which he was a ruthless and greedy assassin who would stoop to taking innocent hostages and being psychologically manipulative, who ''created'' the whole treachery plan that Terra executed, and who very clearly ''wanted'' to kill the Titans since he blamed the Titans for the death of his oldest son [[NeverMyFault rather than take responsibility for it himself.]] Even after he eventually was turned back into a villain who has done even more terrible things, there are still many fans who cling to the idea of him being an honorable and moral person.
4th Mar '17 8:18:02 AM narm00
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** There are way too many fangirls out there who claim that they want to be Harley Quinn for the Joker, a number that has only grown with the release of ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Harley was originally created as a parody of this, then became a PossessionSue for a surprising number of people. And while there are certainly good reasons to feel sorry for her, she's still a murderer in her own right and utterly fixated on the Joker - a fixation which he himself has gone to some efforts to maintain.
*** This is especially {{egregious}} in the Joker's case since he's easily the biggest monster Batman regularly goes up against, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times, and is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]] to boot. Despite this many fans are willing to ignore this thanks to his [[EvilIsCool charisma]], his [[MagnificentBastard intellect]], his [[LaughablyEvil funny lines]] and for having [[BadassInANiceSuit a nice suit]] to boot.
** Really Batman's RoguesGallery gets this treatment (arguably) more then any other RoguesGallery in comic history. Besides Harley and Joker as previously mentioned other candidates include Poison Ivy, Two-Face, Mister Freeze, really it would be easier to list the members that don't get this treatment. And while many of them are Tragic Villains or AntiVillains that [[EvenEvilHasStandards do show standards]] from time to time that's ignoring that even the most sympathetic villains (such as the aforementioned Mister Freeze) are often unrepentant murderers who do terrible things for selfish reasons.
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** There are way too many fangirls out there who claim that they want to be Harley Quinn ComicBook/HarleyQuinn for the Joker, a number that has only grown with the release of ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Harley was originally created as a parody of this, then became a PossessionSue for a surprising number of people. And while there are certainly good reasons to feel sorry for her, she's still a murderer in her own right and utterly very much fixated on the Joker - a fixation which he himself has gone to some efforts to maintain.
*** This is especially {{egregious}} in the Joker's ComicBook/{{the Joker}}'s case since he's easily the biggest monster Batman regularly goes up against, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times, and is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]] to boot. Despite this many fans are willing to ignore this thanks to his [[EvilIsCool charisma]], his [[MagnificentBastard intellect]], his [[LaughablyEvil funny lines]] and for having [[BadassInANiceSuit a nice suit]] to boot.
** Really Batman's RoguesGallery gets this treatment (arguably) more then any other RoguesGallery in comic history. Besides Harley and Joker as previously mentioned other candidates include Poison Ivy, Two-Face, ComicBook/PoisonIvy, ComicBook/TwoFace, Mister Freeze, really it would be easier to list the members that don't get this treatment. And while many of them are Tragic Villains or AntiVillains that [[EvenEvilHasStandards do show standards]] from time to time that's ignoring that even the most sympathetic villains (such as the aforementioned Mister Freeze) are often unrepentant murderers who do terrible things for selfish reasons.
* GreenLantern:In the story "Mad Love," Harley Quinn was obviously believing this in-story about The Joker before her own descent into madness.
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* Doctor Doom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent badass AwesomeMoments, but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in Avengers: The Children's Crusade where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story "Unthinkable" where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria - just to hurt the patriarch.]]

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* Doctor Doom ComicBook/DoctorDoom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent badass AwesomeMoments, but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in Avengers: The Children's Crusade where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story "Unthinkable" where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria - just to hurt the patriarch.]]



* In the [=DCnU=] reboot, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker becomes an in-universe example after he disappears leaving only his face behind while Franchise/{{Batman}} suffers in-universe RonTheDeathEater treatment. Suddenly Gothamites think ''Joker'' is a sympathetic murder victim and ''Batman'' is a heartless murderer who needs to be brought to justice. Somewhat retconned, in that it's later revealed that a significant amount of the protest in question was made up of people who usually either form his henchmen, or use his sprees as an excuse to go AxeCrazy.

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* In the [=DCnU=] ComicBook/New52 reboot, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook//TheJoker becomes an in-universe example after he disappears leaving only his face behind while Franchise/{{Batman}} suffers in-universe RonTheDeathEater treatment. Suddenly Gothamites think ''Joker'' is a sympathetic murder victim and ''Batman'' is a heartless murderer who needs to be brought to justice. Somewhat retconned, in that it's later revealed that a significant amount of the protest in question was made up of people who usually either form his henchmen, or use his sprees as an excuse to go AxeCrazy.



** Jhonen Vasquez seems to have an accidental habit of making these. His first creation, Johnny C has an '''insane''' amount of fangirls who claim that he's [[TheWoobie just misunderstood and lonely]]. It's true: most of Nny's prominent victims are {{asshole|Victim}}s, the world is decidedly {{Crapsack|World}}, and he ''does'' get a few PetTheDog moments (notably with Squee). Yet this overlooks that Johnny is schizophrenic, psychotic, sociopathic, and AxCrazy; that he killed an entire restaurant full of people because [[RantInducingSlight someone said he "looked wacky"]]; he has entire torture chambers in his TortureCellar that contain who-knows-how-many people; he tried to ''murder the one girl who really liked him'' and drove her to become a recluse and hide in her apartment almost 24/7 out of paranoia; and he has killed numerous people for various insane reasons.

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** Jhonen Vasquez seems to have an accidental habit of making these. His first creation, creation Johnny C has an '''insane''' amount of fangirls who claim that he's [[TheWoobie just misunderstood and lonely]]. It's true: most of Nny's prominent victims are {{asshole|Victim}}s, the world is decidedly {{Crapsack|World}}, and he ''does'' get a few PetTheDog moments (notably with Squee). Yet this overlooks that Johnny is schizophrenic, psychotic, sociopathic, and AxCrazy; that he killed an entire restaurant full of people because [[RantInducingSlight someone said he "looked wacky"]]; he has entire torture chambers in his TortureCellar that contain who-knows-how-many people; he tried to ''murder the one girl who really liked him'' and drove her to become a recluse and hide in her apartment almost 24/7 out of paranoia; and he has killed numerous people for various insane reasons.



** ComicBook/LexLuthor has gotten some love ever since ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'' (well, mostly since), which tells a Superman story from his point of view and sees him rationalise his actions as BewareTheSuperman, with Lex seeing himself as the OnlySaneMan on Earth who sees that humanity is becoming dependant on an untrustworthy, godlike alien whose mere presence will ultimately result in a stagnating and static civilization as nothing innovators like him create would be worth a jot next to the hero. Adding to the contrast is Superman rescuing [[PsychopathicManchild the Toyman]] from an angry mob after he [[MoralEventHorizon blew up a daycare centre]] and doing other things that were making him a HeroWithBadPublicity. '''However''', the fans who side with him on this for his apparent humanist sympathies tend to overlook the fact that '''everything''' that happened in the story- including the daycare centre bombing- was secretly his doing and part of a grander plan to discredit and humiliate Superman- that he really does believe himself to be the hero doesn't make him good, it just makes him [[AxCrazy batshit insane]]. Not to mention that, for all his supposed humanism, he is ultimately a bigger threat to humanity than Superman ever would be -- he certainly has a lot more of them killed throughout the story.

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** ComicBook/LexLuthor has gotten some love ever since ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'' (well, mostly since), which tells a Superman story from his point of view and sees him rationalise his actions as BewareTheSuperman, with Lex seeing himself as the OnlySaneMan on Earth who sees that humanity is becoming dependant on an untrustworthy, godlike alien whose mere presence will ultimately result in a stagnating and static civilization as nothing innovators like him create would be worth a jot next to the hero. Adding to the contrast is Superman rescuing [[PsychopathicManchild the Toyman]] from an angry mob after he [[MoralEventHorizon blew up a daycare centre]] and doing other things that were making him a HeroWithBadPublicity. '''However''', the fans who side with him on this for his apparent humanist sympathies tend to overlook the fact that '''everything''' that happened in the story- story - including the daycare centre bombing- bombing - was secretly his doing and part of a grander plan to discredit and humiliate Superman- Superman; that he really does believe himself to be the hero doesn't make him good, it just makes him [[AxCrazy batshit insane]]. Not to mention that, for all his supposed humanism, he is ultimately a bigger threat to humanity than Superman ever would be -- he certainly has a lot more of them killed throughout the story.



* In the story "Mad Love," Harley Quinn was obviously believing this in-story about The Joker before her own descent into madness.



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** Peter's MeanBoss at ''The Daily Bugle'' J. Jonah Jameson is an odd case. Fans usually side with Spidey whenever he acts like an UngratefulBastard and unfairly makes accusations against the hero. (Usually.) However, if there is even a hint that Jonah has been kidnapped, hurt, conned, or - God forbid - killed, fans never fail to send in mail showing support, concern, or outrage, whichever is appropriate. (It seems that, Jonah is thorn in the hero's side that fans just ''don't'' want to see go away.)

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** Peter's MeanBoss at ''The Daily Bugle'' J. Jonah Jameson is an odd case. Fans usually side with Spidey whenever he acts like an UngratefulBastard and unfairly makes accusations against the hero. (Usually.) However, if there is even a hint that Jonah has been kidnapped, hurt, conned, or - God forbid - killed, fans never fail to send in mail showing support, concern, or outrage, whichever is appropriate. (It seems that, that Jonah is a thorn in the hero's side that fans just ''don't'' want to see go away.)



* {{Wolverine}}'s son {{ComicBook/Daken}} gets a lot of this, even though he kills his lovers (both men and women) for shits and giggles. Doesn't help that his justification is [[{{Wolverine}} his father's]] [[DisappearedDad absence from his life]]. Fans who identify with his [[WellDoneSonGuy misplaced rage]] against said father, or the position [[SpotlightStealingSquad said father fills]] on his team, or maybe just like the idea of an [[NoBisexuals explicitly bisexual]] [[{{Expy}} version]] of their favorite badass, flock to him in throngs. In the first issue of his new ongoing [[spoiler: it's strongly suggested that Daken raped a female asassian sent to kill him]]. [[BrokenBase Fandom has broken into three parts]] - those who deny it [[spoiler: saying he just mocked her before delivering the killing blow]], those who are disgusted by it and... some [[UnfortunateImplications really sick individuals]] saying that [[spoiler: she deserved it]].

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* {{Wolverine}}'s ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s son {{ComicBook/Daken}} gets a lot of this, even though he kills his lovers (both men and women) for shits and giggles. Doesn't help that his justification is [[{{Wolverine}} [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} his father's]] [[DisappearedDad absence from his life]]. Fans who identify with his [[WellDoneSonGuy misplaced rage]] against said father, or the position [[SpotlightStealingSquad said father fills]] on his team, or maybe just like the idea of an [[NoBisexuals explicitly bisexual]] [[{{Expy}} version]] of their favorite badass, flock to him in throngs. In the first issue of his new 2010 ongoing [[spoiler: it's strongly suggested that Daken raped a female asassian assassin sent to kill him]]. [[BrokenBase Fandom has broken into three parts]] - those who deny it [[spoiler: saying he just mocked her before delivering the killing blow]], those who are disgusted by it and... some [[UnfortunateImplications really sick individuals]] saying that [[spoiler: she deserved it]].
28th Jan '17 4:34:57 PM Wyldchyld
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** Imagine you have a teddy bear or a cute plushie that you carry around all day. Now, what if that plushie has a life on its own, and it's a mysterious young guy who protects you from bad things? What if that guy is a [[TallDarkAndHandsome good-looking]] {{Vampire}}? For some, this may be terrifying; for [[FanGirl others]], this is pure FetishFuel.

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** Imagine you have a teddy bear or a cute plushie that you carry around all day. Now, what if that plushie has a life on its own, and it's a mysterious young guy who protects you from bad things? What if that guy is a [[TallDarkAndHandsome good-looking]] {{Vampire}}? For some, this may be terrifying; for [[FanGirl others]], this is pure FetishFuel.fetish fuel.
27th Dec '16 11:47:50 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Doctor Doom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent BadAss AwesomeMoments, but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in Avengers: The Children's Crusade where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story "Unthinkable" where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria - just to hurt the patriarch.]]

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* Doctor Doom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent BadAss badass AwesomeMoments, but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in Avengers: The Children's Crusade where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story "Unthinkable" where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria - just to hurt the patriarch.]]
11th Dec '16 2:50:14 PM Morgenthaler
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* {{Wolverine}}'s son {{ComicBook/Daken}} gets a lot of this, even though he kills his lovers (both men and women) for shits and giggles. Doesn't help that his justification is [[{{Wolverine}} his father's]] [[DisappearedDad absence from his life]]. Fans who identify with his [[WellDoneSonGuy misplaced rage]] against said father, or the position [[SpotlightStealingSquad said father fills]] on his team, or maybe just like the idea of an [[NoBisexuals explicitly bisexual]] [[{{Expy}} version]] of their favorite {{Badass}}, flock to him in throngs. In the first issue of his new ongoing [[spoiler: it's strongly suggested that Daken raped a female asassian sent to kill him]]. [[BrokenBase Fandom has broken into three parts]] - those who deny it [[spoiler: saying he just mocked her before delivering the killing blow]], those who are disgusted by it and... some [[UnfortunateImplications really sick individuals]] saying that [[spoiler: she deserved it]].

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* {{Wolverine}}'s son {{ComicBook/Daken}} gets a lot of this, even though he kills his lovers (both men and women) for shits and giggles. Doesn't help that his justification is [[{{Wolverine}} his father's]] [[DisappearedDad absence from his life]]. Fans who identify with his [[WellDoneSonGuy misplaced rage]] against said father, or the position [[SpotlightStealingSquad said father fills]] on his team, or maybe just like the idea of an [[NoBisexuals explicitly bisexual]] [[{{Expy}} version]] of their favorite {{Badass}}, badass, flock to him in throngs. In the first issue of his new ongoing [[spoiler: it's strongly suggested that Daken raped a female asassian sent to kill him]]. [[BrokenBase Fandom has broken into three parts]] - those who deny it [[spoiler: saying he just mocked her before delivering the killing blow]], those who are disgusted by it and... some [[UnfortunateImplications really sick individuals]] saying that [[spoiler: she deserved it]].
13th Oct '16 9:43:29 AM narm00
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** Jason Todd, [[StrawmanHasAPoint while not without reason]], was the main antagonist in Battle for the Cowl. While some may disagree with writer Tony Daniel's reasoning behind it, some are going as far to say he should have been Batman while Dick Grayson shouldn't. This despite the fact he was a Gun Toting Batman in the mini series and he willingly killed before that. The very thing the original would never have stood for. The fact that he was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' movie likely playing a part in it too. Many, many fangirls are completely willing to overlook or "justify" the fact that he has brutally murdered people by saying that his victims [[AssholeVictim deserved it]] or that he just needs a hug because ''he's just so cute and troubled!'' Fans get outraged whenever it's suggested, in-universe or out, that he should maybe be punished for his crimes. Because it's totally not ''his'' fault he picked that gun up and put a bullet in that dude's skull. It's played UpToEleven in the New 52, where even the writers attempt to portray him as a troubled anti-hero, despite his complete murderous past being intact.

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** Jason Todd, [[StrawmanHasAPoint while not without reason]], was the main antagonist in Battle for the Cowl.ComicBook/BattleForTheCowl. While some may disagree with writer Tony Daniel's reasoning behind it, some are going as far to say he should have been Batman while Dick Grayson shouldn't. This despite the fact he was a Gun Toting Batman in the mini series and he willingly killed before that. The very thing the original would never have stood for. The fact that he was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' movie likely playing a part in it too. Many, many fangirls are completely willing to overlook or "justify" the fact that he has brutally murdered people by saying that his victims [[AssholeVictim deserved it]] or that he just needs a hug because ''he's just so cute and troubled!'' Fans get outraged whenever it's suggested, in-universe or out, that he should maybe be punished for his crimes. Because it's totally not ''his'' fault he picked that gun up and put a bullet in that dude's skull. It's played UpToEleven in the New 52, where even the writers attempt to portray him as a troubled anti-hero, despite his complete murderous past being intact.



** There are way too many fangirls out there who claim that they want to be Harley Quinn for the Joker, a number that has only grown with the release of ''TheDarkKnight''. Harley was originally created as a parody of this, then became a PossessionSue for a surprising number of people. And while there are certainly good reasons to feel sorry for her, she's still a murderer in her own right and utterly fixated on the Joker - a fixation which he himself has gone to some efforts to maintain.
*** This is especially {{Egregious}} in The Joker's case since while almost every villain in Batman's RoguesGallery, such as Harley, tend to have Sympathetic qualities or [[TragicVillain tragic backstory's]] The Joker has none. He's easily the biggest monster Batman regularly goes up against, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times, and is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]] to boot. Despite this many fans are willing to ignore this thanks to his [[EvilIsCool charisma]], his [[MagnificentBastard intellect]], his [[LaughablyEvil funny lines]] and for having [[BadassInANiceSuit a nice suit]] to boot.

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** There are way too many fangirls out there who claim that they want to be Harley Quinn for the Joker, a number that has only grown with the release of ''TheDarkKnight''.''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Harley was originally created as a parody of this, then became a PossessionSue for a surprising number of people. And while there are certainly good reasons to feel sorry for her, she's still a murderer in her own right and utterly fixated on the Joker - a fixation which he himself has gone to some efforts to maintain.
*** This is especially {{Egregious}} {{egregious}} in The the Joker's case since while almost every villain in Batman's RoguesGallery, such as Harley, tend to have Sympathetic qualities or [[TragicVillain tragic backstory's]] The Joker has none. He's he's easily the biggest monster Batman regularly goes up against, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon multiple times, and is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]] to boot. Despite this many fans are willing to ignore this thanks to his [[EvilIsCool charisma]], his [[MagnificentBastard intellect]], his [[LaughablyEvil funny lines]] and for having [[BadassInANiceSuit a nice suit]] to boot.
23rd Jun '16 5:34:46 AM Tron80
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** It can also be argued that the [[{{Flanderization}} opposite]] happened to Maddie - she's a mostly blameless woman who had a moment of selfishness while she thought she was dreaming, and has been written off as evil in canon ever since. Probably half the X-Men have tried to do similar things while possessed.



* ComicBook/LexLuthor has gotten some love ever since ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'' (well, mostly since), which tells a ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story from his point of view and sees him rationalise his actions as BewareTheSuperman, with Lex seeing himself as the OnlySaneMan on Earth who sees that humanity is becoming dependant on an untrustworthy, godlike alien whose mere presence will ultimately result in a stagnating and static civilization as nothing innovators like him create would be worth a jot next to the hero. Adding to the contrast is Superman rescuing [[PsychopathicManchild the Toyman]] from an angry mob after he [[MoralEventHorizon blew up a daycare centre]] and doing other things that were making him a HeroWithBadPublicity. '''However''', the fans who side with him on this for his apparant humanist sympathies tend to overlook the fact that '''everything''' that happened in the story- including the daycare centre bombing- was secretly his doing and part of a grander plan to discredit and humiliate Superman- that he really does believe himself to be the hero doesn't make him good, it just makes him [[AxCrazy batshit insane]]. Not to mention that, for all his supposed humanism, he is ultimately a bigger threat to humanity than Superman ever would be -- he certainly has a lot more of them killed throughout the story.

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ComicBook/LexLuthor has gotten some love ever since ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'' (well, mostly since), which tells a ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' Superman story from his point of view and sees him rationalise his actions as BewareTheSuperman, with Lex seeing himself as the OnlySaneMan on Earth who sees that humanity is becoming dependant on an untrustworthy, godlike alien whose mere presence will ultimately result in a stagnating and static civilization as nothing innovators like him create would be worth a jot next to the hero. Adding to the contrast is Superman rescuing [[PsychopathicManchild the Toyman]] from an angry mob after he [[MoralEventHorizon blew up a daycare centre]] and doing other things that were making him a HeroWithBadPublicity. '''However''', the fans who side with him on this for his apparant apparent humanist sympathies tend to overlook the fact that '''everything''' that happened in the story- including the daycare centre bombing- was secretly his doing and part of a grander plan to discredit and humiliate Superman- that he really does believe himself to be the hero doesn't make him good, it just makes him [[AxCrazy batshit insane]]. Not to mention that, for all his supposed humanism, he is ultimately a bigger threat to humanity than Superman ever would be -- he certainly has a lot more of them killed throughout the story.



* A very...''unusual'' form of this happens with Loki. While he certainly has a lot of fangirls, a lot of people tend to ignore his more heinous acts in the comics by the fact that he's not ''nearly'' that much of an asshole in the original [[Myth/NorseMythology mythology]], and was basically [[HijackedByJesus turned into a villain by years of translations and adaptations]] [[RonTheDeathEater that ignored his positive traits and played up his negative ones]]. There's a large number of people who dislike this, and complain about the fact Loki is sometimes depicted as being a CardCarryingVillain. Ironically, [[Creator/StanLee Stan]] and [[Creator/JackKirby Jack]] did write some issues based on actual stories which had Loki in a much more positive light, being based ''before'' he turned on Thor.

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* A very...''unusual'' form of this happens with Loki. While he certainly has a lot of fangirls, a lot of people tend to ignore his more heinous acts in the comics by the fact that he's not ''nearly'' that much of an asshole in the original [[Myth/NorseMythology mythology]], and was basically [[HijackedByJesus turned into a villain by years of translations and adaptations]] adaptations [[RonTheDeathEater that ignored his positive traits and played up his negative ones]]. There's a large number of people who dislike this, and complain about the fact Loki is sometimes depicted as being a CardCarryingVillain. Ironically, [[Creator/StanLee Stan]] and [[Creator/JackKirby Jack]] did write some issues based on actual stories which had Loki in a much more positive light, being based ''before'' he turned on Thor.
27th May '16 2:16:24 PM Doug86
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* Ironically, ever since ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Tony Stark's popularity has '''exploded''' among the fangirls. Granted, this may have something to do with the release of TheMovie, but the seemingly insane fannishness predates even that...but not by much, since while he was always popular ''before'' Civil War, he was a relatively obscure figure compared to the household names of the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} and {{Spider-Man}}. So [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys yeah...]]
* Madelyne Pryor, the [[CloningBlues clone of Jean Grey]], gets this as well. Part of it may be thanks to her initial portrayal as a [[BadassNormal strong-willed,]] [[ActionGirl capable woman,]] with an entire story arc set to establish that she was in fact ''not'' the reincarnation of the person she looked like ([[Creator/ChrisClaremont author's]] original intent notwithstanding). Part of it is '''definitely''' due to the [[MoralEventHorizon abandonment by her husband]] [[ExecutiveMeddling to lead another superhero team with said lookalike on it.]] Either way, people like to focus on the WomanScorned aspect of her characterization and not look at the part where a DrunkOnTheDarkSide Maddie threatened the life of half a dozen innocent children...[[OffingTheOffspring Including her own.]]

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* Ironically, ever since ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Tony Stark's popularity has '''exploded''' among the fangirls. Granted, this may have something to do with the release of TheMovie, but the seemingly insane fannishness predates even that...but not by much, since while he was always popular ''before'' Civil War, he was a relatively obscure figure compared to the household names of the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} ComicBook/XMen and {{Spider-Man}}.Franchise/SpiderMan. So [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys yeah...]]
* Madelyne Pryor, the [[CloningBlues clone of Jean Grey]], gets this as well. Part of it may be thanks to her initial portrayal as a [[BadassNormal strong-willed,]] strong-willed]], [[ActionGirl capable woman,]] woman]], with an entire story arc set to establish that she was in fact ''not'' the reincarnation of the person she looked like ([[Creator/ChrisClaremont author's]] original intent notwithstanding). Part of it is '''definitely''' due to the [[MoralEventHorizon abandonment by her husband]] [[ExecutiveMeddling to lead another superhero team with said lookalike on it.]] Either way, people like to focus on the WomanScorned aspect of her characterization and not look at the part where a DrunkOnTheDarkSide Maddie threatened the life of half a dozen innocent children...[[OffingTheOffspring Including her own.]]own]].
9th Mar '16 12:08:28 AM Spookongo
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* Second long-running main villain Negan in ''Comicbook/TheWalkingDead'' is arguably the comic's most loved character mostly driven simply by his [[MagnificentBastard charisma and intelligence]]. It doesn't take long on a website dedicated to the comics side of the franchise to spot numerous fans of Negan, even if the character's introduction already sees him [[spoiler:brutally murdering fan-favorite Glenn, a character that has been with the readers since the very beginning of the series]].
16th Jan '16 4:28:44 PM nombretomado
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* A very...''unusual'' form of this happens with Loki. While he certainly has a lot of fangirls, a lot of people tend to ignore his more heinous acts in the comics by the fact that he's not ''nearly'' that much of an asshole in the original [[Myth/NorseMythology mythology]], and was basically [[HijackedByJesus turned into a villain by years of translations and adaptations]] [[RonTheDeathEater that ignored his positive traits and played up his negative ones]]. There's a large number of people who dislike this, and complain about the fact Loki is sometimes depicted as being a CardCarryingVillain. Ironically, [[StanLee Stan]] and [[JackKirby Jack]] did write some issues based on actual stories which had Loki in a much more positive light, being based ''before'' he turned on Thor.

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* A very...''unusual'' form of this happens with Loki. While he certainly has a lot of fangirls, a lot of people tend to ignore his more heinous acts in the comics by the fact that he's not ''nearly'' that much of an asshole in the original [[Myth/NorseMythology mythology]], and was basically [[HijackedByJesus turned into a villain by years of translations and adaptations]] [[RonTheDeathEater that ignored his positive traits and played up his negative ones]]. There's a large number of people who dislike this, and complain about the fact Loki is sometimes depicted as being a CardCarryingVillain. Ironically, [[StanLee [[Creator/StanLee Stan]] and [[JackKirby [[Creator/JackKirby Jack]] did write some issues based on actual stories which had Loki in a much more positive light, being based ''before'' he turned on Thor.
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