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19th Apr '18 1:25:47 PM zoopyDoopy
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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second, not to mention the time he literally threatened to kill himself to make Yugi surrender, or the time in the manga where he cheated by putting Blue Eyes on the top of his deck (or even the chess game he cheated in to beat Gozaburo).]] Some fans will excuse basically anything he does [[{{Hypocrite}} because of the abuse he suffered as a child, whilst ignoring the fact that he went on to abuse Mokuba for a substantial period of time in the manga.]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''

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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. The biggest points of contention tend to be Anzu [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech telling Kaiba off for threatening suicide to win]] and Atem pointing out Kaiba's competitive focus on strength and independence cost him victory after their Battle City duel, even though both are vindicated by the narrative itself. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second, not to mention the time he literally threatened to kill himself to make Yugi surrender, or the time in the manga where he cheated by putting Blue Eyes on the top of his deck (or even the chess game he cheated in to beat Gozaburo).]] Some fans will excuse basically anything he does [[{{Hypocrite}} because of the abuse he suffered as a child, whilst ignoring the fact that he went on to abuse Mokuba for a substantial period of time in the manga.]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''
19th Apr '18 1:19:14 PM zoopyDoopy
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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second, not to mention the time he literally threatened to kill himself to make Yugi surrender, or the time in the manga where he cheated by putting Blue Eyes on the top of his deck (or even the chess game he cheated in to beat Gozaburo).]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''

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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second, not to mention the time he literally threatened to kill himself to make Yugi surrender, or the time in the manga where he cheated by putting Blue Eyes on the top of his deck (or even the chess game he cheated in to beat Gozaburo).]] Some fans will excuse basically anything he does [[{{Hypocrite}} because of the abuse he suffered as a child, whilst ignoring the fact that he went on to abuse Mokuba for a substantial period of time in the manga.]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''
19th Apr '18 1:16:47 PM zoopyDoopy
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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second.]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''

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** Seto Kaiba [[BystanderSyndrome doesn't care about anything bad that happens around him]], even if it happens under his jurisdiction (see: Mai, Jou and Rishid falling into near death situations during the Battle City finals), unless he or his [[MoralityPet little brother Mokuba]] are targeted. He has a lot of KickTheDog moments (including giving Yugi's Grandfather a heart attack at one point), but his fans will overlook, forgive, and rationalize those things in light of his [[TroubledButCute past]] and his [[PetTheDog protectiveness of Mokuba]]. Especially because they're attracted to his [[DeadpanSnarker one-liners]] and [[TallDarkAndHandsome good looks]], and love [[BadassBookworm that he's a top ranked duelist, gaming industrialist, inventor of related technology, and one of the most physically imposing characters on the show. He can even beat up thugs with the fling of a card]]. Heaven forbid that anyone else try to hold Kaiba accountable for things, [[RonTheDeathEater even if it's justifiably coming from one of the protagonists]]. Heck, his collection of [[PowerEqualsRarity rare and]] [[BiggerStick powerful cards]] is enough to make many fans squee. Others overlook that it's because of these cards that he has the immediate advantage over Yugi; [[FanDumb they claim Kaiba is the real champion and Yugi a lucky cheat]], and that [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass Yugi and his gang are pansies]].) And those who do think that Yugi is a lucky cheat obviously [[{{Hypocrite}} disregard the time that Kaiba summoned all three copies of Blue-Eyes and Hyozanryu on his first turn, and Obelisk on his second.second, not to mention the time he literally threatened to kill himself to make Yugi surrender, or the time in the manga where he cheated by putting Blue Eyes on the top of his deck (or even the chess game he cheated in to beat Gozaburo).]] Of course, maybe the people who say he has a soft spot for his brother do, indeed, have something... After all, the sole reason he decided to help Yugi in the FinalBattle against Marik was because, at that point, ''[[HeelRealization even Mokuba had become disgusted with him.]]''
4th Apr '18 5:01:35 AM mariofan1000
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** Bulma is the most downplayed example of this trope (despite her not being a villain and an actually ally). Despite mellowing out and becoming less immature as she gets older, she originally started out as a rude, selfish spoiled brat who didn't have any scruples with manipulating others to get what she wanted. Fans usually ignore or downplay her faults, and usually blame Yamcha for their relationship ending [[TheUnfairSex when Bulma would flirt with other guys, and get angry with Yamcha just because females would look his way.]] [[DoubleStandard One will wonder if the fandom would accept this scenario if the genders were reversed.]] They also ignore the fact that she has done awful things in Dragonball and they also bash/villainize other female characters by exaggerating their faults, and making them look far worse than Bulma. Humorously, at the very least, Bulma at least gets called out on her early DB behavior at the end of ''GT''.

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** Bulma is the most downplayed example of this trope (despite her not being a villain and an actually actual ally). Despite mellowing out and becoming less immature as she gets older, she originally started out as a rude, selfish spoiled brat who didn't have any scruples with manipulating others to get what she wanted. Fans usually ignore or downplay her faults, and usually blame Yamcha for their relationship ending [[TheUnfairSex when Bulma would flirt with other guys, and get angry with Yamcha just because females would look his way.]] [[DoubleStandard One will wonder if the fandom would accept this scenario if the genders were reversed.]] They also ignore the fact that she has done awful things in Dragonball and they also bash/villainize other female characters by exaggerating their faults, and making them look far worse than Bulma. Humorously, at the very least, Bulma at least gets called out on her early DB behavior at the end of ''GT''.''GT''.
* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' sometimes does this with characters, although generally it's less to do with what they think of a character and more what helps them write funnier jokes. The most notable examples being Nappa, who does the same things he does in canon but comes across as ObliviouslyEvil, Dr. Wheelo, who was potrayed as a evil MadScientist in the original ''[[Anime/DragonBallZTheWorldsStrongest The World's Strongest]]'' but here is a kind-hearted cancer researcher who barely does anything evil and [[spoiler: gets SparedByTheAdaptation]], and even Dr. Gero, who, while still evil, is given a more sympathetic motive when it's revealed that [[spoiler: Goku had killed his son.]]
3rd Apr '18 6:28:36 AM jormis29
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** Bardock. Holy cow, Bardock. Fans of him tend to overlook the fact that he made a living by slaughtering BILLIONS of innocent people so their planet could be auctioned off lock, stock, and barrel. The Funimation dub doesn't really help here, either, since they portrayed Bardock as being a "repentant sinner", and that his rebellion against Freeza was his atonement, when, in the original, Bardock was simply pissed because Freeza was going to kill them all. The ''Episode of Bardock'' special has officially cemented Bardock's place in this category forever, what with him [[spoiler:going Super Saiyan and punching out Frieza's progenitor]]. Even Toriyama gotten in on the fun through his ''[[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Dragon Ball Minus]]'' one-shot [[spoiler:in which Bardock is seen showing much more concern and acceptance towards both Kakarot and the boy's mother, who is finally revealed to be a WhiteSheep Saiyan named Gine]]. At the same time, Toriyama still portrayals Bardock as not being a very good person since the first panel of him is him slaughtering a group of aliens with a huge smile on his face.

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** Bardock. Holy cow, Bardock. Fans of him tend to overlook the fact that he made a living by slaughtering BILLIONS of innocent people so their planet could be auctioned off lock, stock, and barrel. The Funimation dub doesn't really help here, either, since they portrayed Bardock as being a "repentant sinner", and that his rebellion against Freeza was his atonement, when, in the original, Bardock was simply pissed because Freeza was going to kill them all. The ''Episode ''[[Anime/DragonBallEpisodeOfBardock Episode of Bardock'' Bardock]]'' special has officially cemented Bardock's place in this category forever, what with him [[spoiler:going Super Saiyan and punching out Frieza's progenitor]]. Even Toriyama gotten in on the fun through his ''[[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Dragon Ball Minus]]'' one-shot [[spoiler:in which Bardock is seen showing much more concern and acceptance towards both Kakarot and the boy's mother, who is finally revealed to be a WhiteSheep Saiyan named Gine]]. At the same time, Toriyama still portrayals Bardock as not being a very good person since the first panel of him is him slaughtering a group of aliens with a huge smile on his face.
25th Mar '18 5:32:50 PM Prometheus117
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* Accelerator in ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' started out as an AxCrazy guy with [[AGodAmI aspirations of becoming an invincible being]] who slaughtered over ''10,000'' [[WhatMeasureIsANonhuman clones]] of a 14-year old girl in all manner of ways and seemed to have no problem with it. He underwent a ''massive'' CharacterDevelopment cycle where he struggled to become a hero by protecting the remaining clones, watching over the last 10-year old clone, revealing his HiddenDepths and DarkAndTroubledPast, admitting [[MoralEventHorizon what he did was unforgivable]], and willing putting himself through hell to try and make up for even a little of it regardless [[spoiler:like allowing himself to get shot in the head]] and fighting the bad guys. While this development earned him plenty of fans on this complex issue, there are plenty of fans who liked him even as a villain because he's [[{{Bishonen}} attractive]], [[SuperpowerLottery powerful]], [[SmugSuper knows it]], and is just [[CrazyAwesome amazing to watch go on a rampage]].
11th Mar '18 10:37:28 PM chucknormie
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* From the way fans of ''Manga/GabrielDropout'' talk, you would think Satanichia Kurumizawa McDowell is a poor, pitiful [[TheWoobie woobie]] who spends each and every day of her life being bullied by her {{Poisonous Friend}}s...except not only is she a KnowNothingKnowItAll, she's incredibly [[TheGadfly annoying]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe narcissistic]] to a fault, and [[WhatAnIdiot too stupid to figure out hints that stare her in the face]]. Pretty much the only reason the other characters lash out at her is because she keeps antagonizing Gabriel, who just wants to be left alone, and is the only one stupid enough to keep falling for [[{{Troll}} Raphiel]]'s schemes.
16th Jan '18 7:45:30 PM burinnu
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** Even [[BigBag Orochimaru]] is subjected to this, though even in fanfiction writers still tend to acknowledge how evil he is. He's a MadScientist who experimented on human lives to gain immortality, even experimenting on children and his own students. Most of his test subjects died and he didn't bat an eye, caring more about results than their lives. Although he has a greater status as a MemeticMolester due to his attitude towards Sasuke, Kimimaro and Anko, the fandom began to warm towards him when flashbacks showed him to be [[UsedToBeASweetKid a lonely but brilliant child,]] who began studying the secrets to life in the hopes of one day resurrecting his deceased parents.
8th Jan '18 4:58:59 PM chopshop
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* Prince Lotor from ''{{Anime/Voltron}}'' gets this a lot, mainly from the western fandom thanks to the [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerization]] he received in the dub. ''Golion'' Lotor is a deeply cruel, sick person and even his rare PetTheDog moments have creepy undertones to them (for instance, his attraction to the princesses is because ''[[ParentalIncest they remind him of his mom]]''). Censorship required that a lot of his worst acts get edited out and the purely original third season [[AdaptationPersonalityChange portrayed him as a conflicted person instead of a sadistic jerk]].
** The [[WesternAnimation/VoltronLegendaryDefender later western adaptation]] gave this a bit of a nod by depicting Lotor as a ManipulativeBastard who only pretends to be the sort of noble AntiVillain his defenders frequently portray him as.
30th Dec '17 2:45:17 PM Edgar81539
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** Paul is easily the biggest {{Jerkass}} among Ash's rivals, releasing any Pokemon that don't meet his standards, insulting Ash at any given opportunity and acting cold toward everyone else he meets, and most notably having his entire team gang up on his Chimchar, in an effort to [[spoiler:force it into activating its Blaze ability, which is unusually powerful]], and then rage-quitting on it and ''releasing it'', effectively abandoning it out of disgust (everything that happened that day and the night before really soured Ash's opinion of Paul). He gets a small handful of BreakTheHaughty moments throughout the series, but [[KarmaHoudini mostly goes unpunished]]. Despite his jerkassery, he has a sizable fanbase. (Doesn't help that some gamers agree with Paul's methods because they do similar in their Pokemon training.)

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** Paul is easily the biggest {{Jerkass}} among Ash's rivals, releasing any Pokemon that don't meet his standards, insulting Ash at any given opportunity and acting cold toward everyone else he meets, and most notably having his entire team gang up on his Chimchar, in an effort to [[spoiler:force it into activating its Blaze ability, which is unusually powerful]], and then rage-quitting on it and ''releasing it'', effectively abandoning it out of disgust (everything that happened that day and the night before really soured Ash's opinion of Paul). He gets a small handful of BreakTheHaughty moments throughout the series, but [[KarmaHoudini mostly goes unpunished]]. Despite his jerkassery, he has a sizable fanbase. (Doesn't help that some gamers agree with Paul's methods because they do similar in their Pokemon training.)
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