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2nd May '16 1:02:03 PM Monolaf317
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* ''Anime/OsomatsuSan'': UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist variant; The Matsuno brothers often have their personality flaws downplayed in fanworks, instead having them come across as "cute" and "quirky" rather than acting like their goofy and immature selves. This, coupled with SelfFanservice below, is especially prominent in shipping work and [[SelfInsertFic reader insert fics]]. This gets especially bad with Karamatsu and Jyushimatsu, as even though they're not ''quite'' as bad as the other brothers, most of their less savory moments are ignored for a "completely good" characterization.

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* ''Anime/OsomatsuSan'': UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist variant; The the Matsuno brothers often have their personality flaws downplayed in fanworks, instead having them come across as "cute" and "quirky" rather than acting like their goofy and immature selves. This, coupled with SelfFanservice below, is especially prominent in shipping work and [[SelfInsertFic reader insert fics]]. This gets especially bad with Karamatsu [[{{Narcissist}} Karamatsu]] and Jyushimatsu, [[CloudCuckooLander Jyushimatsu]], as even though they're not ''quite'' as bad as the other brothers, most of their less savory moments are ignored for a "completely good" characterization.
2nd May '16 1:00:07 PM Monolaf317
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* ''Anime/OsomatsuSan'': UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist variant; The Matsuno brothers often have their personality flaws downplayed in fanworks, instead having them come across as "cute" and "quirky" rather than acting like their goofy and immature selves. This, coupled with SelfFanservice below, is especially prominent in shipping work and [[SelfInsertFic reader insert fics]]. This gets especially bad with Karamatsu and Jyushimatsu, as even though they're not ''quite'' as bad as the other brothers, most of their less savory moments are ignored for a "completely good" characterization.
7th Apr '16 9:22:41 AM Adept
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** Yukimura and Rikkaidai. People tend to forget that he and the rest of the team have Kirihara as their TykeBomb, which is a BrokenAesop considering the general attitude against in-courts violence. Yes, he and the others [[JerkAssWoobie have more sympathetic sides]] as their devotion to each other ''is'' very genuine otherwise, and Yukimura ''is'' [[YamatoNadeshiko a kind person]] aside of this, but it doesn't excuse [[JerkAssDissonance a behavior that would be seen]] [[KickTheDog as horrifyingly abusive and cruel]] in any other series. (Compare ''CaptainTsubasa'' and the treatment of their local Tykebomb, Carlos Santana.)

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** Yukimura and Rikkaidai. People tend to forget that he and the rest of the team have Kirihara as their TykeBomb, which is a BrokenAesop considering the general attitude against in-courts violence. Yes, he and the others [[JerkAssWoobie have more sympathetic sides]] as their devotion to each other ''is'' very genuine otherwise, and Yukimura ''is'' [[YamatoNadeshiko a kind person]] aside of this, but it doesn't excuse [[JerkAssDissonance a behavior that would be seen]] [[KickTheDog as horrifyingly abusive and cruel]] in any other series. (Compare ''CaptainTsubasa'' ''Manga/CaptainTsubasa'' and the treatment of their local Tykebomb, Carlos Santana.)
3rd Apr '16 4:20:28 AM Tron80
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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'':
** There are fangirls of [[BlondGuysAreEvil Murata]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Azrael]] . He tried to commit genocide against the [[FantasticRacism genetically altered]], kills or abuses several sympathetic characters, and believes that the best way to solve political disputes is to kill the people you're having the dispute with, all while thinking he's [[SmugSnake much brighter than he really is]]. But they'll excuse that because he's a pretty boy.
** The same thing happens to [[spoiler:Chairman Gilbert Durandal]] the BigBad of the sequel, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''. Granted, despite his AntiVillain, WellIntentionedExtremist status, the guy was still trying to force the entire world into accepting [[TheSocialDarwinist genetic determinism as a way of life]]. Many fans try to [[RonTheDeathEater turn Lacus and Kira into self-righteous monsters]] in order to exonerate him. Granted he's more sympathetic than Azrael was, but good intentions do not a hero make, and he ''did'' seek to replace Lacus with a BodyDouble (which ended up ''destroying'' said BodyDouble's life) and then repeteadly tried to ''get Lacus assassinated'' (When Lacus and Kira would've possibly wanted to hear his ideas first, [[SpannerInTheWorks had he not done all of this]].) Guess his DarkMessiah routine worked on the fans as well as the characters.
* Char Aznable from the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' in the Universal Century has legions of fans who will pick an argument with anyone so much as ''doubting'' his greatness. Char, a man so popular despite the fact that he emotionally manipulated others for his own gain, blamed others for the tragic consequences of his own actions, and tried to throw a massive asteroid at Earth and cause a nuclear winter for a reason so detached from, well, reason that it might have as well been ForTheEvulz. [[WordOfGod Tomino has even stated that Char's views on reality are not in sync with real life]]. Even Char's own sister Sayla has commented on this. But just try explaining this to the fans.
** Anavel Gato from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'' is often seen as the pinnacle of honor and manliness. While that may be true, it dosen't excuse the fact that he's a single-minded Fascist ideologue who would do anything, even go through with a ColonyDrop if [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Delaz or Gihren told him so]]. His character page on the Gundam Wiki serves as a TakeThat to many of his more fanatical defenders in the UC fandom.
** Even Gihren Zabi gets it himself in some circles of the fandom. That is despite him being behind the bulk of Zeon's war crimes in the One Year War and taking comparisons to Hitler as a compliment. There are even games allowing Zeon to win that envisions a Earth Sphere led by Gihren as a glorious future!
** Hell, Zeon in general gets a whole lot of "freedom fighter"-type Pantsing. It's common that Gundam fans need to be [[http://i.imgur.com/9WTgx.jpg reminded]] that the Sides were ''not'' under totalitarian rule nor particularly worse off than Earth, and that the reason the Federation cut their supplies was because they were ''trying to secede,'' and wanted the entire population of the Earth to leave with them. Other things to remind them: Zeon fired the first shot, Zeon targeted fellow Spacenoid civilian colonies in the One Year War for the purposes of using them as ColonyDrop ammo, and Zeon killed off a third of the population of a planet they claimed they wanted pristine even ''before'' shooting weapons of mass destruction at it.

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''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'':
** *** There are fangirls of [[BlondGuysAreEvil Murata]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Azrael]] . He tried to commit genocide against the [[FantasticRacism genetically altered]], kills or abuses several sympathetic characters, and believes that the best way to solve political disputes is to kill the people you're having the dispute with, all while thinking he's [[SmugSnake much brighter than he really is]]. But they'll excuse that because he's a pretty boy.
** *** The same thing happens to [[spoiler:Chairman Gilbert Durandal]] the BigBad of the sequel, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''. Granted, despite his AntiVillain, WellIntentionedExtremist status, the guy was still trying to force the entire world into accepting [[TheSocialDarwinist genetic determinism as a way of life]]. Many fans try to [[RonTheDeathEater turn Lacus and Kira into self-righteous monsters]] in order to exonerate him. Granted he's more sympathetic than Azrael was, but good intentions do not a hero make, and he ''did'' seek to replace Lacus with a BodyDouble (which ended up ''destroying'' said BodyDouble's life) and then repeteadly tried to ''get Lacus assassinated'' (When Lacus and Kira would've possibly wanted to hear his ideas first, [[SpannerInTheWorks had he not done all of this]].) Guess his DarkMessiah routine worked on the fans as well as the characters.
* ** In the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'':
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Char Aznable from the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' in the Universal Century has legions of fans who will pick an argument with anyone so much as ''doubting'' his greatness. Char, a man so popular despite the fact that he emotionally manipulated others for his own gain, blamed others for the tragic consequences of his own actions, and tried to throw a massive asteroid at Earth and cause a nuclear winter for a reason so detached from, well, reason that it might have as well been ForTheEvulz. [[WordOfGod Tomino has even stated that Char's views on reality are not in sync with real life]]. Even Char's own sister Sayla has commented on this. But just try explaining this to the fans.
** Anavel Gato from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'' is often seen as the pinnacle of honor and manliness. While that may be true, it dosen't excuse the fact that he's a single-minded Fascist ideologue who would do anything, even go through with a ColonyDrop if [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Delaz or Gihren told him so]]. His character page on the Gundam Wiki serves as a TakeThat to many of his more fanatical defenders in the UC fandom.
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*** Even Gihren Zabi gets it himself in some circles of the fandom. That is despite him being behind the bulk of Zeon's war crimes in the One Year War and taking comparisons to Hitler as a compliment. There are even games allowing Zeon to win that envisions a Earth Sphere led by Gihren as a glorious future!
** *** Hell, Zeon in general gets a whole lot of "freedom fighter"-type Pantsing. It's common that Gundam fans need to be [[http://i.imgur.com/9WTgx.jpg reminded]] that the Sides were ''not'' under totalitarian rule nor particularly worse off than Earth, and that the reason the Federation cut their supplies was because they were ''trying to secede,'' and wanted the entire population of the Earth to leave with them. Other things to remind them: Zeon fired the first shot, Zeon targeted fellow Spacenoid civilian colonies in the One Year War for the purposes of using them as ColonyDrop ammo, and Zeon killed off a third of the population of a planet they claimed they wanted pristine even ''before'' shooting weapons of mass destruction at it.it.
** Anavel Gato from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'' is often seen as the pinnacle of honor and manliness. While that may be true, it doesn't excuse the fact that he's a single-minded bastard who would do anything, even go through with a ColonyDrop if [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Delaz or Gihren told him so]].



** Asuka Langley-Sohryu is a more {{downplayed|Trope}} example, being a JerkassWoobie rather than a flatout villain. From the very beginning, she is verbally and even physically abusive to others, [[NeverMyFault constantly blaming her failures]] [[TheUnfairSex on others in general and Shinji in particular]]. Yet she's considered by some as the most popular character in Eva, and feel that she is completely justified in acting the way she does because of her [[FreudianExcuse tragic past]].
26th Mar '16 8:50:49 PM ObsidianFire
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** Suzaku Kururugi is let off the hook by fans for supposedly having his heart within the right place in his methods, even though [[TheQuisling he becomes less interested in his claim of changing Britannia from within the minute he becomes a Knight of Rounds and begins conquering EU territories in hopes of currying favor with Emperor Charles]], [[KnightTemplar only jumping off track to pursue Zero and find out if he really is Lelouch once again]]. In fact, given the show's ubiquitous moral ambiguity, nearly ''every'' character who isn't TheScrappy suffers from this. (Characters such as the aforementioned Lelouch and Suzaku have been concurrently DILP and TheScrappy / RonTheDeathEater at times, depending on [[FanDumb the fanbase]] and circumstances.) Even Kallen, even though admittedly one of the most tradionally good characters in the series, can have her own flaws ignored completely by her fans ''[[GenreSavvy even when she herself notes them]]''.

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** Suzaku Kururugi is let off the hook by fans for supposedly having his heart within the right place in his methods, even though [[TheQuisling he becomes less interested in his claim of changing Britannia from within the minute he becomes a Knight of Rounds and begins conquering EU territories in hopes of currying favor with Emperor Charles]], [[KnightTemplar only jumping off track to pursue Zero and find out if he really is Lelouch once again]]. In fact, given the show's ubiquitous moral ambiguity, nearly ''every'' character who isn't TheScrappy suffers from this. (Characters such as the aforementioned Lelouch and Suzaku have been concurrently DILP and TheScrappy / RonTheDeathEater at times, depending on [[FanDumb the fanbase]] and circumstances.) Even Kallen, even though admittedly one of the most tradionally good characters in the series, can have her own flaws ignored completely by her fans ''[[GenreSavvy even ''even when she herself notes them]]''.them''.



* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' has a minor ''in-canon'' (and borderline fandom) example with Edo Phoenix from before he dropped his WellIntentionedExtremist WrongGenreSavvy ways, and a major example with Hell Kaiser Ryo during season 2. Even when he [[KickTheDog mercilessly beat his little brother Sho in a shock duel and walked away]], the fandom squeed over how BadAss and TallDarkAndHandsome he was. Big time.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' has a minor ''in-canon'' (and borderline fandom) example with Edo Phoenix from before he dropped his WellIntentionedExtremist WrongGenreSavvy ways, and a major example with Hell Kaiser Ryo during season 2. Even when he [[KickTheDog mercilessly beat his little brother Sho in a shock duel and walked away]], the fandom squeed over how BadAss and TallDarkAndHandsome he was. Big time.
26th Mar '16 12:16:25 AM silphias
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** Arguably, Levi. He shows little remorse after beating a boy half his age into a bloody pulp (though this is quickly shown to be tactical choice "for the greater good,") and later [[spoiler: fiercely harasses and manhandles a teenage girl even shorter than himself, who had recently revealed to the cast a past filled with violence and manipulation, in order to frighten her into agreeing to take actions she wasn't comfortable with.]] Possibly somewhat justified by his (honestly pretty unsettling) backstory, which some fans use, along with his occasional displays of sympathy, to excuse his behaviour and portray him as a misunderstood vigilante. He isn't necessarily a monstrous person, but he's a hell of a lot nastier than he's often shown to be.
22nd Mar '16 8:58:18 AM matteste
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* In ''{{Shiki}}'', Tatsumi and to a lesser extent Megumi have their fans who will gloss over their bad qualities and treat them as objects of desire. Whole ''sides'' may be subjected to this as well, with some fans thinking the vampires have the right to kill people to eat without consequences and others thinking the humans have the right to slaughter the vampires in the most horrific ways possible, even when they're not aggressive or acting any differently from when they were alive.

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* In ''{{Shiki}}'', ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'', Tatsumi and to a lesser extent Megumi have their fans who will gloss over their bad qualities and treat them as objects of desire. Whole ''sides'' may be subjected to this as well, with some fans thinking the vampires have the right to kill people to eat without consequences and others thinking the humans have the right to slaughter the vampires in the most horrific ways possible, even when they're not aggressive or acting any differently from when they were alive.
20th Mar '16 4:01:47 PM Rynnec
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** Ladies and gentlemen: Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez. He tries to kill Rukia, tries to kill Ichigo ''three times'', gets Orihime in a NeckLift when she objects to him, brutalizes two Arrancar who are horrible {{Jerk Ass}}es but have the looks/mindsets [[WouldHitAGirl of teenage girls]], threatened the [[WouldHurtAChild much younger]] Nel, killed his comrade just to regain the rank of Espada, and didn't give a damn when his subordinates were killed in battle. Despite all this, and even though he never expressed regret for any of these actions, part of the fanbase views him as already redeemed and ready to join the good guys. [[MrFanservice Because]] [[WalkingShirtlessScene he's]] [[EvilIsSexy sexy]].

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** Ladies and gentlemen: Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez. He tries to kill Rukia, tries to kill Ichigo ''three times'', gets Orihime in a NeckLift when she objects to him, brutalizes two Arrancar who are horrible {{Jerk Ass}}es but have the looks/mindsets [[WouldHitAGirl of teenage girls]], threatened the [[WouldHurtAChild much younger]] Nel, killed his comrade just to regain the rank of Espada, and didn't give a damn when his subordinates were killed in battle. Even after returning after a long absence and joining the good guys, he makes it clear in no uncertain terms that he's only doing so to further his own goals(namely, to have a final battle with Ichigo) and out of PragmaticVillainy. Despite all this, and even though he never expressed regret for any of these actions, part of the fanbase views him as already redeemed and ready to join the good guys.rather than a NominalHero. [[MrFanservice Because]] [[WalkingShirtlessScene he's]] [[EvilIsSexy sexy]].
15th Mar '16 8:27:46 PM NothingIsLittle
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** His [[AffablyEvil urbanity, manners, and good looks]] cause many people to overlook the fact that Sebastian Michaelis is an utterly amoral (if not outright ''evil'') and incredibly predatory demon implied to have caused to Black Plague. Some fans also overlook the fact that [[UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper Grelle]] is a sadistic serial killer, perhaps because of her comedic traits.
** Ciel is no saint, either. As the queen's watchdog, he can be fairly ruthless when carrying out his tasks, but many fans are willing to cut him some slack because he's, what? Twelve?

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** His [[AffablyEvil urbanity, manners, and good looks]] cause many people to overlook the fact that Sebastian Michaelis is an utterly amoral (if not outright ''evil'') and incredibly predatory demon implied to have caused to Black Plague.
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Some fans also overlook the fact that [[UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper Grelle]] is a sadistic serial killer, perhaps because of her comedic traits.
** Ciel is no saint, either. As the queen's watchdog, he can be fairly ruthless when carrying out his tasks, but many fans are willing to cut him some slack because he's, what? Twelve?Twelve? [[spoiler: [[BreakTheCutie And was sold to a group of cultists that tortured and sacrificed him.]]]]
15th Mar '16 8:13:54 PM NothingIsLittle
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*** England is another one who suffers from this. As a MeanBrit TsunDere with [[TheWoobie Woobie]] tendencies some of his more...devoted fans who either take his deredere moments too far (which often crosses over with Wimpification )or they play up his 'cool' traits (piracy, snark, politeness, extra) to ridiculous degrees- turning him from an endearing, emotionally stunted grouch with a drink problem to a smooth talking, gorgeous Badass who never puts a foot wrong (even in fics involving the British Empire or his Brothers). It is, unsurprisingly, especially common in shipping fics, and like the other two hetalia characters here the author may site a backlash against RonTheDeathEater treatment for their portrayal

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*** ** England is another one who suffers from this. As a MeanBrit TsunDere with [[TheWoobie Woobie]] tendencies some of his more...devoted fans who either take his deredere moments too far (which often crosses over with Wimpification )or they play up his 'cool' traits (piracy, snark, politeness, extra) to ridiculous degrees- turning him from an endearing, emotionally stunted grouch with a drink problem to a smooth talking, gorgeous Badass who never puts a foot wrong (even in fics involving the British Empire or his Brothers). It is, unsurprisingly, especially common in shipping fics, and like the other two hetalia characters here the author may site a backlash against RonTheDeathEater treatment for their portrayal
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