History DorkAge / TheDCU

26th Sep '16 5:13:43 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]]. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.

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** Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]].more. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.
2nd Aug '16 12:20:04 AM Anddrix
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*** In fact, the very issue of a Shazam Family Dork Age in [[ComicBook/{{New 52}} the DCnU]] has become a BaseBreaker of sorts. Especially with regard to Captain Marvel/Shazam's new origin story in ''Justice League'' #0, which got good reviews, featured some impressive artwork from Gary Franks, and seems to be leading into some sort of [[ComesGreatResponsibility redemption arc]] thanks to Creator/GeoffJohns' solid writing. On the other hand, there's the new Billy Batson, who was originally ''always'' on the extremely idealistic side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism (making him even more of a BigGood than Superman himself), who is now a douchey teenager who cynically tells the wizard that ''no one'' is ever truly good, and who nearly ''kills'' a mugger with his newfound super strength and takes a cash reward for doing so. In any case, the new character is certainly ''interesting'' to say the least, but whoever he is, he sure doesn't feel like the Big Red Cheese anymore.

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*** In fact, the very issue of a Shazam Family Dork Age in [[ComicBook/{{New 52}} the DCnU]] has become a BaseBreaker divisive of sorts. Especially with regard to Captain Marvel/Shazam's new origin story in ''Justice League'' #0, which got good reviews, featured some impressive artwork from Gary Franks, and seems to be leading into some sort of [[ComesGreatResponsibility redemption arc]] thanks to Creator/GeoffJohns' solid writing. On the other hand, there's the new Billy Batson, who was originally ''always'' on the extremely idealistic side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism (making him even more of a BigGood than Superman himself), who is now a douchey teenager who cynically tells the wizard that ''no one'' is ever truly good, and who nearly ''kills'' a mugger with his newfound super strength and takes a cash reward for doing so. In any case, the new character is certainly ''interesting'' to say the least, but whoever he is, he sure doesn't feel like the Big Red Cheese anymore.
31st Jul '16 8:26:20 AM DreamerCynist2
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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Steph and Cass ExiledFromContinuity until they were brought back in Comicbook/BatmanEternal Comicbook/BatmanAndRobinEternal respectively.

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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Steph and Cass ExiledFromContinuity until they were brought back in Comicbook/BatmanEternal and Comicbook/BatmanAndRobinEternal respectively.
31st Jul '16 8:23:23 AM DreamerCynist2
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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Cass and Steph ExiledFromContinuity until ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'' brought both girls back.

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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Cass and Steph and Cass ExiledFromContinuity until ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'' until they were brought both girls back.back in Comicbook/BatmanEternal Comicbook/BatmanAndRobinEternal respectively.



* Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]]. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.

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* ** Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]]. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.



* The post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD (It's James Gordon), [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the creation of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.

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* The post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD (It's James Gordon), [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the creation soft reboot of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
28th Jul '16 9:37:04 AM Tron80
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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Cass and Steph ExiledFromContinuity.

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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Cass and Steph ExiledFromContinuity.ExiledFromContinuity until ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'' brought both girls back.



* A ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' writer tried to make her DarkerAndEdgier, but just gave 75% of the readers a giant headache. Another writer tries to do a AuthorsSavingThrow, but that gets the other 25% of the readers angry at this because they ''like'' the DarkerAndEdgier Supergirl -- creating an UnpleasableFanbase.
** Supergirl's Post-Crisis life is basically defined by her Dork Ages, due to DC Comics wanting to leave Superman as the true last son of Krypton... there's been maybe a good half-dozen different versions of the character, with increasingly convoluted designs and backstories (let alone trying to fit in where ComicBook/PowerGirl went), eventually leading to the reintroduction of the essentially Pre-Crisis "Superman's Cousin" version of the character... for now.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}''
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A ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' Supergirl writer tried to make her DarkerAndEdgier, but just gave 75% of the readers a giant headache. Another writer tries to do headache until writers such like Tony Bedard or Sterling Gates did an AuthorsSavingThrow and turned her into a AuthorsSavingThrow, troubled but that gets the likeable hero like her Silver Age self. The other 25% of the readers got angry at this because they ''like'' ''liked'' the DarkerAndEdgier Supergirl -- creating an UnpleasableFanbase.
Supergirl, but most of fans pretend that the runs of Jeph Loeb, Joe Kelly... never happened.
** Supergirl's Post-Crisis life is was basically defined by her Dork Ages, Ages during two decades, due to DC Comics wanting to leave Superman as the true last son of Krypton... there's been maybe a good half-dozen several different versions of the character, with increasingly convoluted designs and backstories (let alone trying to fit in where ComicBook/PowerGirl ''ComicBook/PowerGirl'' went), eventually leading to the reintroduction of the essentially Pre-Crisis "Superman's Cousin" version of the character... for now.character.
26th Jun '16 8:04:30 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* Franchise/TheFlash's revamps in a certain period were very poorly received, and for good reason:

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* Franchise/TheFlash's revamps in a certain period were since ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' have been very poorly received, and for good reason:
26th Jun '16 8:03:36 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* Franchise/TheFlash's revamps in the past few years have been very poorly received, and for good reason. First, Wally was PutOnABus and FunPersonified KidHero Bart Allen was hit with forced aging and, worst of all, increasing amounts of {{wangst}}, finally resulting in the decidedly Not-Fun adult that starred in the first ''The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive'' revamp. Both series and character proved to be short-lived, as both were unexpectedly killed off in issue #13. This resulted in the return of not only the previous, popular Flash, Wally West, but the return of popular '90s Flash writer Mark Waid. This version focused on Wally adventuring with his new superpowered [[SpinOffspring kids]]. The resulting series was considered better than the previous attempt, but reception was still lukewarm, with many seeing the kids as a pint-sized SpotlightStealingSquad. Then the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Flash, Barry Allen, was brought back and revamped by the return of popular '00s Flash writer Creator/GeoffJohns. This has met with mixed results, with the [[ScheduleSlip book being frequently late]] compounding complaints of slow pacing. This lead up to a Flash-centric crossover, ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'', which led to a continuity reboot for the whole universe. The new, [[ComicBook/{{New 52}} re-re-re-booted]] Flash book is focusing exclusively on Barry, with several changes made to previous Flash canon such as Iris and Barry no longer being married. Wally has recently reappeared in the new 52 and Convergence. Reviews of the Flash book continue to be mixed at best, despite the creative art style of the first post-reboot creative team. The book is still plagued by pacing problems. The Flash comic's Dork Age looks set to continue.
** At least the live-action TV series is thriving, being much more faithful to the comic mythos.

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* Franchise/TheFlash's revamps in the past few years have been a certain period were very poorly received, and for good reason. reason:
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First, Wally was PutOnABus and FunPersonified KidHero Bart Allen was hit with forced aging and, worst of all, increasing amounts of {{wangst}}, finally resulting in the decidedly Not-Fun adult that starred in the first ''The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive'' revamp. Both series and character proved to be short-lived, as both were unexpectedly killed off in issue #13. #13 due to negative reception.
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This resulted in the return of not only the previous, popular Flash, Wally West, but the return of popular '90s Flash writer Mark Waid. This version focused on Wally adventuring with his new superpowered [[SpinOffspring kids]]. The resulting series was considered better than the previous attempt, but reception was still lukewarm, with many seeing the kids as a pint-sized SpotlightStealingSquad. SpotlightStealingSquad.
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Then the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Flash, Barry Allen, was brought back and revamped by the return of popular '00s Flash writer Creator/GeoffJohns. This has met with mixed results, with the [[ScheduleSlip book being frequently late]] compounding complaints of slow pacing. There were also the problems of villain Professor Zoom being seen as a massive VillainSue, and CharacterShilling for Barry to make newer readers like him, as well as Wally West being DemotedToExtra. This lead up to a Flash-centric crossover, ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'', which led to a continuity reboot for the whole universe. universe, and the story itself is already not very liked, never mind the wider effects it had.
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The new, [[ComicBook/{{New new ComicBook/{{New 52}} re-re-re-booted]] Flash book is focusing exclusively on Barry, with several changes made to previous Flash canon such as Iris and Barry no longer being married. Wally has recently reappeared in married and the new 52 and Convergence. Flash legacy no longer existing. Reviews of the Flash book continue to be mixed at best, despite the creative art style style, and complains include flat characterisation of the first post-reboot Barry, as well as overall mediocre stories.
** The second New 52
creative team. The book team is still plagued by pacing problems. The Flash comic's Dork Age looks set to continue.
** At least the live-action TV series is thriving, being
viewed as much, much more faithful to worse, possibly the comic mythos.worst since Bart Allen's turn as the Flash. Wally West is reintroduced with ''very'' controversial changes to his character. The plot becomes especially convoluted by focusing on Barry Allen somehow "losing time" when he runs. Eobard Thawne is brought back and many see him as an even worse VillainSue than before, and his characterisation and motivation are wildly inconsistent. And then there's the art, which features Brett Booth trying his hardest to emulate the previous art style, as well as introducing a really, really ugly costume for Barry Allen, one that seems to try to copy the TV show's, which made its costume closer to ''the comics'' at the same time.
27th May '16 7:21:38 PM WaxingName
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* [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] and the rest of the Marvel Family underwent one not too long ago. Essentially, most of the attention related to the actual heroes of the Marvel Family was reduced, while letting their villains like Black Adam, Dr. Sivana, Mr. Mind and Captain Nazi prosper. Shazam was killed off, Captain Marvel had to assume the mantle of Wizard (which effectively removed him from the DCU, trapping him in the Rock of Eternity), and every Marvel not named Black Adam was depowered. Then Freddy Freeman, the former Captain Marvel Junior, then undergoes a series of trials that involves him saying that he blames Captain Marvel for ruining his life, taking the name Shazam as a code name, and dedicating himself to fighting only mystical threats, because why would a person with the powers of the gods fight crime and save people from mundane threats?

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* [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] and the rest of the Marvel Family underwent one not too long ago.around 2006. Essentially, most of the attention related to the actual heroes of the Marvel Family was reduced, while letting their villains like Black Adam, Dr. Sivana, Mr. Mind and Captain Nazi prosper. Shazam was killed off, Captain Marvel had to assume the mantle of Wizard (which effectively removed him from the DCU, trapping him in the Rock of Eternity), and every Marvel not named Black Adam was depowered. Then Freddy Freeman, the former Captain Marvel Junior, then undergoes a series of trials that involves him saying that he blames Captain Marvel for ruining his life, taking the name Shazam as a code name, and dedicating himself to fighting only mystical threats, because why would a person with the powers of the gods fight crime and save people from mundane threats?
3rd May '16 1:53:05 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* The post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD [[spoiler:(Spoiler Alert: It's James Gordon)]], [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the creation of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.

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* The post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD [[spoiler:(Spoiler Alert: It's (It's James Gordon)]], Gordon), [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the creation of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
15th Apr '16 3:17:41 PM HamburgerTime
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* The ComicBook/{{New52}} will certainly be remembered as one of the most reviled examples ever. In 2011, this massive ContinuityReboot was launched to clean up previous ContinuitySnarl. And was trumpeted as the era that would appeal new readers (namely, women and [[YoungerAndHipper youngsters]]) by [[RunningTheAsylum improving characters]]. Let's say these objectives were not exactly reached. [[note]]Specifically, many historical characters were "fixed" with drastically different backgrounds, appearances, tempers, powers, relationships and costumes to the point they became InNameOnly versions. Others beloved characters brutally [[RetGone vanished]] and some were [[CompositeCharacter composite versions]]. [[SuperCouple Iconic couples]] were broken and replaced with [[CrackPairing pairs formed from out of the blue.]] Nearly all female characters got outfits more {{Stripperiffic}} than ever and [[HotterAndSexier acted accordingly]] (Sure, that's [[SarcasmMode how you attract female readers]]). On the top of this, scenarios went DarkerAndEdgier and BloodierAndGorier, while everyone [[TookALevelInJerkass took a massive level in jerkass]], reminding of the [[TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks 90's]] in all their glory.[[/note]] Even [[WriterRevolt authors]] had difficulties to cope with it; they kept being changed while [[Creator/GeorgePerez historical ones]] resigned. And [[http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/So+since+i+am+the+starfire+guy+here+is+some_4eedbe_4390516.png new readers were not attracted]] while [[https://www.facebook.com/DC-New-52-Sucks-244802512235526/ older ones were mostly disgusted]] . Sales lowered and the name "New 52" became so repellent it was actually dropped after four years. But the universe itself was only slightly revamped then and the Post-Convergence verse did not much better in terms of sales (see below). [[note]]What made it worse, was that said radical change was not proposed as an alternative, like [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Marvel]] once did, but as the one and only real thing. Unsurprisingly, all adaptations but a few animated TV movies did not follow this canon while {{Elseworld}} stories, closer to the previous status quo, were considered BetterThanCanon. [[/note]] One more year later, editors had no choice but rebooting the whole thing again, promising they would come back to [[http://img15.deviantart.net/4351/i/2016/052/8/5/rebranding_by_robertmacquarrie1-d9sm0eo.jpg " the real spirit of DC ".]] It lasted a total of five years, making it one of the [[EpicFail most short-lived continuity of comic books ever.]]
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