History DorkAge / TheDCU

6th May '17 9:24:16 AM Kadorhal
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** The whole idea came from a one-shot [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] "imaginary" (read, non-canon) story published in 1963. In the story, Superman is accidentally split into two Supermen with a hundred times the intelligence of the original. The twin Supermen successfully enlarge Kandor, recreate Krypton, produce an "anti-evil" ray which cures not only comic book villains, but UsefulNotes/FidelCastro and Nikita Khrushchev as well, and finally, the existence of two of them means that one can marry Lana and one Lois, ending the love triangle. Why they thought it would be a good idea to re-visit this in the freakin' '90s is anyone's guess.

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** The whole idea came from a one-shot [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] "imaginary" (read, non-canon) story published in 1963. In the story, Superman is accidentally split into two Supermen with a hundred times the intelligence of the original. The twin Supermen successfully enlarge Kandor, recreate Krypton, produce an "anti-evil" ray which cures not only comic book villains, but UsefulNotes/FidelCastro and Nikita Khrushchev as well, and finally, the existence of two of them means that one can marry Lana and one Lois, ending the love triangle. Why they thought it would be a good idea to re-visit this in the freakin' '90s and try to make such an idea a permanent change is anyone's guess.



** Which of course came after his death and resurrection, which was based off another 1960s "imaginary" story; "The Death of Superman". It's ironic that in the 'Dark Age' they were so crazy for recycling Silver Age whimsy.

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** Which of course came after [[ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman his death and resurrection, resurrection]], which was based off another 1960s "imaginary" story; story, "The Death of Superman". It's ironic that in the 'Dark Age' they were so crazy for recycling Silver Age whimsy.



* Pretty much every single time Chuck Austen gets his claws on a mainstream comic, one of these results ([[DorkAge/{{Marvel}} go to the Marvel section]] for what he did to ''Uncanny Franchise/XMen''). A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} one, though, was probably his run on ''Action Comics'', where he seemed to really want Franchise/{{Superman}} to be a violent asshole somewhat like the Golden Age Batman. And he was loudly adamant that Clark Kent should dump ComicBook/LoisLane because she was a gold-digging, power-hungry whore who was only sleeping with him because he was Superman... ''[[CriticalResearchFailure even though Lois fell in love with and became engaged to Clark long before she ever found out he was Superman]]'' (although to be fair, is this how most superhero fans see Lois Lane). This led to loads of DerailingLoveInterests in favor of ComicBook/LanaLang, who came off as a pathetic sociopathic {{stalker|WithACrush}} and made the elder Kents into {{jerkass}} MeddlingParents. Needless to say, the entire run was hustled into CanonDiscontinuity faster than a speeding bullet when Austen got booted off the title.

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* Pretty much every single time Chuck Austen gets his claws on a mainstream comic, one of these results ([[DorkAge/{{Marvel}} go to the Marvel section]] for what he did to ''Uncanny Franchise/XMen''). A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} one, though, was probably his run on ''Action Comics'', where he seemed to really want Franchise/{{Superman}} to be a violent asshole somewhat like the Golden Age Batman. And he was loudly adamant that Clark Kent should dump ComicBook/LoisLane because she was a gold-digging, power-hungry whore who was only sleeping with him because he was Superman... ''[[CriticalResearchFailure even though Lois fell in love with and became engaged to Clark long before she ever found out he was Superman]]'' (although to be fair, is this is how most superhero fans see Lois Lane). This led to loads of DerailingLoveInterests in favor of ComicBook/LanaLang, who came off as a pathetic sociopathic {{stalker|WithACrush}} and made the elder Kents into {{jerkass}} MeddlingParents. Needless to say, the entire run was hustled into CanonDiscontinuity faster than a speeding bullet when Austen got booted off the title.
16th Apr '17 4:47:05 PM MasterHero
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* The post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD (It's James Gordon), [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the soft reboot of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.

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* The ''ComicBook/DCYou'', the post-''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' DC titles have status quo, has not been looked favorably upon. The basic idea was to attempt to perform a "Batgirling" of certain characters in the vein of what happened to Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}}''. Suddenly, you got a Batman who rides PoweredArmor and is a member of the GCPD (It's James Gordon), [[ComicBook/SupermanTruth a Superman with an exposed identity, very little powers and a popularity level so low, you'd think he was Spider-Man]] and a Hal Jordan who is running around as a renegade with a BadassLongcoat and a goofy green energy gauntlet. While some titles proved to be beloved, such as ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'', the line as a whole fell flat on its face, leading to the soft reboot of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
28th Mar '17 11:34:52 PM SamaritanPrime
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* ComicBook/PowerGirl's infamous "alternative" costumes to her classic white uniform with the "keyhole". There are have been various times when DC has tried to change Power Girl's outfit, including the questionable "diso" style outfits with lightning bolts running down the sides to the April O'Neil style white jump suit with an oddly stylized "P" post New-52 which was so bad that fan were lining up outside of comic book stores to protest. Art work showing Power Girl's reaction to the new outfit has her evening saying [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/fb/84/e5fb843ed9309810c20aef628aae0d1d.jpg "No... just no..."]].

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* ComicBook/PowerGirl's infamous "alternative" costumes to her classic white uniform with the "keyhole". There are have been various times when DC has tried to change Power Girl's outfit, including the questionable "diso" style outfits with lightning bolts running down the sides to the April O'Neil style white jump suit with an oddly stylized "P" post New-52 which was so bad that fan were lining up outside of comic book stores to protest. Art work quickly appeared showing Power Girl's reaction to the new outfit has was the same as her evening saying fans, [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/fb/84/e5fb843ed9309810c20aef628aae0d1d.jpg "No... just no..."]].
28th Mar '17 11:33:52 PM SamaritanPrime
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* Pretty much every single time Chuck Austen gets his claws on a mainstream comic, one of these results ([[DorkAge/{{Marvel}} go to the Marvel section]] for what he did to ''Uncanny Franchise/XMen''). A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} one, though, was probably his run on ''Action Comics'', where he seemed to really want Franchise/{{Superman}} to be a violent asshole somewhat like the Golden Age Batman. And he was loudly adamant that Clark Kent should dump ComicBook/LoisLane because she was a gold-digging, power-hungry whore who was only sleeping with him because he was Superman... ''[[CriticalResearchFailure even though Lois fell in love with and became engaged to Clark long before she ever found out he was Superman]]''. This led to loads of DerailingLoveInterests in favor of ComicBook/LanaLang, who came off as a pathetic sociopathic {{stalker|WithACrush}} and made the elder Kents into {{jerkass}} MeddlingParents. Needless to say, the entire run was hustled into CanonDiscontinuity faster than a speeding bullet when Austen got booted off the title.

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* Pretty much every single time Chuck Austen gets his claws on a mainstream comic, one of these results ([[DorkAge/{{Marvel}} go to the Marvel section]] for what he did to ''Uncanny Franchise/XMen''). A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} one, though, was probably his run on ''Action Comics'', where he seemed to really want Franchise/{{Superman}} to be a violent asshole somewhat like the Golden Age Batman. And he was loudly adamant that Clark Kent should dump ComicBook/LoisLane because she was a gold-digging, power-hungry whore who was only sleeping with him because he was Superman... ''[[CriticalResearchFailure even though Lois fell in love with and became engaged to Clark long before she ever found out he was Superman]]''.Superman]]'' (although to be fair, is this how most superhero fans see Lois Lane). This led to loads of DerailingLoveInterests in favor of ComicBook/LanaLang, who came off as a pathetic sociopathic {{stalker|WithACrush}} and made the elder Kents into {{jerkass}} MeddlingParents. Needless to say, the entire run was hustled into CanonDiscontinuity faster than a speeding bullet when Austen got booted off the title.


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* ComicBook/PowerGirl's infamous "alternative" costumes to her classic white uniform with the "keyhole". There are have been various times when DC has tried to change Power Girl's outfit, including the questionable "diso" style outfits with lightning bolts running down the sides to the April O'Neil style white jump suit with an oddly stylized "P" post New-52 which was so bad that fan were lining up outside of comic book stores to protest. Art work showing Power Girl's reaction to the new outfit has her evening saying [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/fb/84/e5fb843ed9309810c20aef628aae0d1d.jpg "No... just no..."]].
22nd Dec '16 1:19:08 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** Also, everything after ''JLA''. The ''Justice League of America'' series that followed it is widely known to have suffered from ExecutiveMeddling, which resulted in the book being a big advertisement for everything going on in the DCU and the editors being able to dictate who could and could not be on the team. The DorkAge lasted until the New 52.

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** Also, everything after ''JLA''. The ''Justice League of America'' series that followed it is widely known to have suffered from ExecutiveMeddling, which resulted in the book being considered a Dork Age. While general consensus is it ''kinda of'' started off strong and had some decent ideas, it eventually was hijacked by editors and became infamous as a big advertisement for of everything else going on in the DCU DCU, picking up and finishing story threads from other series; and the editors being able to dictate who could and could not be on the team. The DorkAge Dork Age lasted until the New 52.
7th Dec '16 9:05:55 AM AlternativeCola
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* Many fans consider ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' a huge dork age for DC due to attempting to be a DarkerAndEdgier ContinuityReboot of the ComicBook/DCUniverse with some of the popular titles being almost to InNameOnly levels (see ''Teen Titans'' and Tim Drake above), new origins for some of the superheroes (an example being Wonder Woman's being a demigoddess), DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in several titles and others (see ''The Flash'', ''Suicide Squad'' and ''Shazam''). The DC You imprint after ''ComicBook/Convergence'' tried to win back fans but it turned out to be a failure and then Creator/DanDiDio admitted that "blank slate" of the New 52 was a mistake, since no one knew where to take any of the characters after the ContinuityReboot, which resulted in the LighterAndSofter ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' imprint replacing the New 52 as an apology to disappointed fans who were angry with it.

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* Many fans consider ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' a huge dork age for DC due to attempting to be a DarkerAndEdgier ContinuityReboot of the ComicBook/DCUniverse with some of the popular titles being almost to InNameOnly levels (see ''Teen Titans'' and Tim Drake above), new origins for some of the superheroes (an example being Wonder Woman's being a demigoddess), DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in several titles and others (see ''The Flash'', ''Suicide Squad'' and ''Shazam''). ''Shazam'' above). The DC You imprint after ''ComicBook/Convergence'' ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' tried to win back fans but it turned out to be a failure and then Creator/DanDiDio admitted that "blank slate" of the New 52 was a mistake, since no one knew where to take any of the characters after the ContinuityReboot, which resulted in the LighterAndSofter ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' imprint replacing the New 52 as an apology to disappointed fans who were angry with it.
7th Dec '16 9:04:49 AM AlternativeCola
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* Many fans consider ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' a huge dork age for DC due to attempting to be a DarkerAndEdgier ContinuityReboot of the ComicBook/DCUniverse with some of the popular titles being almost to InNameOnly levels (see ''Teen Titans'' and Tim Drake above), new origins for some of the superheroes (an example being Wonder Woman's being a demigoddess), DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in several titles and others (see ''The Flash'', ''Suicide Squad'' and ''Shazam''). The DC You imprint after ''ComicBook/Convergence'' tried to win back fans but it turned out to be a failure and then Creator/DanDiDio admitted that "blank slate" of the New 52 was a mistake, since no one knew where to take any of the characters after the ContinuityReboot, which resulted in the LighterAndSofter ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' imprint replacing the New 52 as an apology to disappointed fans who were angry with it.
26th Sep '16 5:13:43 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]]. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.

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** Speaking of Cass, due to an [[ExecutiveMeddling editorial mandate]], [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]] [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] after her series was canceled. During this time, she became significantly more articulate (the character was supposed to be illiterate, dyslexic, and almost mute) and {{wangst}}y. Even worse, DC then went and [[AuthorsSavingThrow handed her miniseries to the same writer]] who turned her evil. [[TheyJustDidntCare He not only failed to fix the problems he created, but added even more]].more. Fans are still skeptical about her future. When the character was reintroduced in the ''New 52'', they basically rewrote her character history to avoid that.
2nd Aug '16 12:20:04 AM Anddrix
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*** In fact, the very issue of a Shazam Family Dork Age in [[ComicBook/{{New 52}} the DCnU]] has become a BaseBreaker of sorts. Especially with regard to Captain Marvel/Shazam's new origin story in ''Justice League'' #0, which got good reviews, featured some impressive artwork from Gary Franks, and seems to be leading into some sort of [[ComesGreatResponsibility redemption arc]] thanks to Creator/GeoffJohns' solid writing. On the other hand, there's the new Billy Batson, who was originally ''always'' on the extremely idealistic side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism (making him even more of a BigGood than Superman himself), who is now a douchey teenager who cynically tells the wizard that ''no one'' is ever truly good, and who nearly ''kills'' a mugger with his newfound super strength and takes a cash reward for doing so. In any case, the new character is certainly ''interesting'' to say the least, but whoever he is, he sure doesn't feel like the Big Red Cheese anymore.

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*** In fact, the very issue of a Shazam Family Dork Age in [[ComicBook/{{New 52}} the DCnU]] has become a BaseBreaker divisive of sorts. Especially with regard to Captain Marvel/Shazam's new origin story in ''Justice League'' #0, which got good reviews, featured some impressive artwork from Gary Franks, and seems to be leading into some sort of [[ComesGreatResponsibility redemption arc]] thanks to Creator/GeoffJohns' solid writing. On the other hand, there's the new Billy Batson, who was originally ''always'' on the extremely idealistic side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism (making him even more of a BigGood than Superman himself), who is now a douchey teenager who cynically tells the wizard that ''no one'' is ever truly good, and who nearly ''kills'' a mugger with his newfound super strength and takes a cash reward for doing so. In any case, the new character is certainly ''interesting'' to say the least, but whoever he is, he sure doesn't feel like the Big Red Cheese anymore.
31st Jul '16 8:26:20 AM DreamerCynist2
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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Steph and Cass ExiledFromContinuity until they were brought back in Comicbook/BatmanEternal Comicbook/BatmanAndRobinEternal respectively.

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** And then Steph became ComicBook/{{Batgirl|2009}}. There was, um, more rejoicing. Some Cassandra Cain fans weren't happy, but since the two had been depicted as best friends, most readers who were fans of one were also fans of the other. Then ComicBook/{{New 52}} came, [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} restoring Barbara Gordon to the role]] and leaving Steph and Cass ExiledFromContinuity until they were brought back in Comicbook/BatmanEternal and Comicbook/BatmanAndRobinEternal respectively.
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