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17th Dec '16 4:34:21 PM Isaac_Heller
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still considered to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Things changed with ''Sun and Moon'', which got criticized for the design and portrayal of Ash and for ditching the more loved aspects of prior seasons and generations.
14th Dec '16 6:28:33 PM MyFinalEdits
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of the original series, and Unova, Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].

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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt considered to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old Things changed with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of ''Sun and Moon'', which got criticized for the original series, design and Unova, portrayal of Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On and for ditching the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most more loved aspects of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].prior seasons and generations.
14th Dec '16 9:14:57 AM JediMasterDraco
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of the original series, and Unova, Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].
19th Nov '16 10:26:52 AM Gosicrystal
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** Unova is brought up a lot due to how hard the ResetButton was pressed for Ash, the amount of [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot potentially awesome plot threads that were left untapped]], having ''several'' [[TheScrappy Scrappys]], the massive AssPull to make Ash lose at the Unova League that's possibly worse than [[DiabolusExMachina Tobias]], [[EndingFatigue and ending on a]] FillerArc. [[FleetingDemographicRule And that's]] [[ReplacementScrappy not even]] [[PlotHole getting into]] [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the Genesect movie]].

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** Unova is brought up a lot due to how hard the ResetButton was pressed for Ash, the amount of [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot potentially awesome plot threads that were left untapped]], having ''several'' [[TheScrappy Scrappys]], the massive AssPull to make Ash lose at the Unova League that's possibly worse than [[DiabolusExMachina Tobias]], [[EndingFatigue and ending on a]] FillerArc. [[FleetingDemographicRule And that's]] [[ReplacementScrappy that's not even]] [[PlotHole even getting into]] into [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the Genesect movie]].
19th Nov '16 10:19:10 AM SpinAttaxx
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** ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'' is agreed to have been the start of a Dork Age for the movies (though as with the main series, whether or not it's merely a continuation of one is up for debate). Coming after the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel positively-received]] ''Anime/PokemonKyuremVSTheSwordOfJustice'', ''Genesect'' quickly became a divisive movie thanks to a slew of questionable story decisions, most prominently [[ReplacementScrappy the introduction of]] a brand new (yet {{suspiciously similar|Substitute}}) Mewtwo over the fan-favorite original from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie''. The [[Anime/PokemonDiancieAndTheCocoonOfDestruction next]] [[Anime/PokemonHoopaAndTheClashOfAges three]] [[Anime/PokemonVolcanionAndTheMechanicalMarvel movies]], based on the main animé's concurrent ''XY'' series, received [[SoOkayItsAverage lukewarm]] (at best) reception with fans (being regarded as fairly shallow and hollow, especially ''Hoopa and the Clash of Ages''), and even in their native Japan they performed poorly in comparison to the other movies in the series.
20th Oct '16 12:19:50 PM bowserbros
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* While ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is still very popular in Japan and considerably well-loved in the west, each region has their own candidate for the comic's low point:
** In Japan, ''Diamond is Unbreakable'' is seen as a rather inferior PostScriptSeason compared to the first three parts. Reasons for this include the [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] of the bow & arrow and the protagonist Josuke being the illegitimate son of Joseph, the incredibly formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek plotline (which had already been established as a formula in ''Stardust Crusaders''), and the lack of a real end goal until Reimi Sugimoto and Yoshikage Kira show up. Not helping is Creator/HirohikoAraki displaying a conspicuous bias in favor of ''[=DiU=]'', classifying Josuke as his favorite [=JoJo=] and pushing for representation of part 4 to the point where Japanese fans see it as over-represented.
** Overseas fans of the series tend to look down on ''Vento Aureo'' due to the perception of main protagonist Giorno as bland and uninteresting (though translations may be to blame for this), the extremely-formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek nature that exacerbated the flaws of the previous two parts' plot styles, the [[{{Narm}} narmily]]-[[WTHCostumingAgency designed]] and overly-generic villain Diavolo, and the ending, which reeks of DeusExMachina even by ''[=JoJo=]'' standards. Detractors take particular ire towards Giorno, who for the latter reason plus the fact that he's the illegitimate son of [[GreaterScopeVillain D]][[CrazyAwesome I]][[MagnificentBastard O]] (even reappropriating his battle cry of "MUDA MUDA MUDA") comes off as somewhat of a MartyStu.

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* While ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is still very popular in Japan and considerably well-loved in the west, each region has their own candidate candidates for the comic's low point:
** In Japan, ''Diamond ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable Diamond is Unbreakable'' Unbreakable]]'' is seen as a rather inferior PostScriptSeason compared to the first three parts. Reasons for this include the [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] of the bow & arrow and the protagonist Josuke being the illegitimate son of Joseph, the incredibly formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek plotline (which had already been established as a formula in ''Stardust Crusaders''), and the lack of a real end goal until Reimi Sugimoto and Yoshikage Kira show up. Not helping is Creator/HirohikoAraki displaying a conspicuous bias in favor of ''[=DiU=]'', classifying Josuke as his favorite [=JoJo=] and pushing for representation of part 4 to the point where Japanese fans see it as over-represented.
** Japanese fans have also expressed their distaste for ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureStoneOcean Stone Ocean]]'', though exactly ''why'' that particular part is so loathed is a pretty big BrokenBase; all that can be discerned is that for one reason or another, part 6 isn't exactly the most popular part on domestic shores.
** Overseas fans of the series tend to look down on ''Vento Aureo'' ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureVentoAureo Vento Aureo]]'' due to the perception of main protagonist Giorno as bland and uninteresting (though translations may be to blame for this), the extremely-formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek nature that exacerbated the flaws of the previous two parts' plot styles, the [[{{Narm}} narmily]]-[[WTHCostumingAgency designed]] and overly-generic villain Diavolo, and the ending, which reeks of DeusExMachina even by ''[=JoJo=]'' standards. Detractors take particular ire towards Giorno, who for the latter reason plus the fact that he's the illegitimate son of [[GreaterScopeVillain D]][[CrazyAwesome I]][[MagnificentBastard O]] (even reappropriating his battle cry of "MUDA MUDA MUDA") comes off as somewhat of a MartyStu.
19th Oct '16 12:07:40 PM WhatArtThee
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* The medium in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to be reaching its final days, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Creator/{{Toonami}} have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The medium in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, from 2008-2012, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to be reaching its final days, ended around 2012 or so, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Creator/{{Toonami}} have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).



** Kalos is considered a Dork Age for Japanese fans. The main factors are most likely [[SatelliteCharacter Serena's character being built almost entirely around her crush on Ash]], and the rise of ''Franchise/YokaiWatch'', which is seen as the death of ''Pokémon'' (though this could be reversed with the advent of ''VideoGame/PokemonGo''). Oddly, while [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Western fans considered Kalos an improvement]], this changed when [[spoiler:[[StatusQuoIsGod Ash lost the Kalos League to Alain]], when everything hyped the episode up so that he would actually win]], thus this season is now considered a Dork Age amongst Western fans too (those that kept watching, however, felt that the Team Flare arc which followed at least partially made up for it).
5th Oct '16 10:18:47 AM bowserbros
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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic roots of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'''s detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.

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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic roots of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'''s detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.
5th Oct '16 9:23:32 AM bowserbros
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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to reach its final days, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The genre medium in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to reach be reaching its final days, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Toonami Creator/{{Toonami}} have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).
30th Sep '16 4:29:01 PM MyFinalEdits
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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica of]] [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, reach its final days, since the airing [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica of]] [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).



* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic roots of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.

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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic roots of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's ''GT'''s detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.



* The retirement (which appears to be permanent [[TenMinuteRetirement this time]]) of Creator/HayaoMiyazaki in 2013 sent Creator/StudioGhibli into an existential crisis. But, even before Miyazaki gave up film-making, the studio is considered by its hardcore fans to have entered a Dork Age starting around 2004 when Miyazaki released ''Anime/HowlsMovingCastle'', which did well on both sides of the Pacific but got mixed reviews. This was followed by his son Goro's ''Anime/TalesFromEarthsea'', which was critically-panned ([[CreatorBacklash especially by Ursula K. LeGuin]]) and thrown into NoExportForYou limbo in North America for several years due to rights issues. After that came Miyazaki's ''Anime/{{Ponyo|On The Cliff By The Sea}}'', which was a return to the whimsical tone of his late-80s-era movies but still disappointed hardcore fans despite doing quite well at the box office. By 2010, longtime producer Toshio Suzuki openly speculated about closing the studio, although a shutdown was at least delayed by the modest success of ''Anime/{{Arrietty}}''.

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* The retirement (which appears to be permanent [[TenMinuteRetirement this time]]) of Creator/HayaoMiyazaki in 2013 sent Creator/StudioGhibli into an existential crisis. But, even before Miyazaki gave up film-making, the studio is considered by its hardcore fans to have entered a Dork Age starting around 2004 when Miyazaki released ''Anime/HowlsMovingCastle'', which did well on both sides of the Pacific but got mixed reviews. This was followed by his son Goro's ''Anime/TalesFromEarthsea'', which was critically-panned ([[CreatorBacklash especially by Ursula K. LeGuin]]) and thrown into NoExportForYou limbo in North America for several years due to rights issues. After that came Miyazaki's ''Anime/{{Ponyo|On The Cliff By The Sea}}'', which was a return to the whimsical tone of his late-80s-era movies but still disappointed hardcore fans despite doing quite well at the box office. By 2010, longtime producer Toshio Suzuki openly speculated about closing the studio, although a shutdown was at least delayed by the modest success of ''Anime/{{Arrietty}}''.



* ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' hit the dorkiest of all ages with ''Anime/SaintSeiyaOmega''. It's not Kurumada canon, it changed the super-suit from metal armor to spandex, it added a superhero school, the eponymous character is rarely in the spotlight(!), and so on. It seems that the writers eventually understood why it was so hated, and gave it a second season that thoroughly reverted all changes.
** On the other hand, this has caused a broken base, with people that ''liked'' the first season of ''Omega'' (including some fans who didn't like the original SS) being unhappy that they reverted things, and declaring season 2 a Dork Age.

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* ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' hit the dorkiest of all ages its dork age with ''Anime/SaintSeiyaOmega''. It's not Kurumada canon, it changed the super-suit from metal armor to spandex, it added a superhero school, the eponymous character is rarely in the spotlight(!), and so on. It seems that the writers eventually understood why it was so hated, and gave it a second season that thoroughly reverted all changes.
** On the other hand, this has caused a broken base, with people that ''liked'' the first season of ''Omega'' (including some fans who didn't like the original SS) being unhappy that they reverted things, and declaring season 2 a Dork Age.
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* Happened to ''Anime/YuGiOh'' once it hit filler. Arcs tended to give Kaiba's backstory or company more prominence, and each arc had its own kind of sin for the fans: the Virtual World interrupted Battle City, and was incredibly weird and nonsensical to many people. Waking the Dragons/Doma had irrational characterization for both Yami and Mai, and screwed with the history of the Shadow Games, and the KC Tournament arc was perceived as just a long breather episode that did little even to expand on Kaiba's character, who the Big Bad of that arc was targeting. And that isn't even mentioning the oddness that is Capsule Monsters.
** And when the people who write the filler arcs have to do their own series, you get the first two seasons of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. The original series ending and the considerably lower quality of ''GX'''s dub did it no favors in the popularity department, but even fans of the series acknowledge that the series's lack of focus, slow pace, and excessive goofiness did a lot to ingrain the "[[FirstInstallmentWins spinoffs are always awful]]" mindset. That it came directly after one of the most filler-heavy and poorly-animated segments of the original meant that fans tend to label just about everything after Battle City to be a DorkAge. Thankfully, it GrewTheBeard with the Yubel arc, rescuing the franchise from its DorkAge in time for the first season of ''5Ds.''

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* Happened to ''Anime/YuGiOh'' once it hit filler. filler.
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Arcs tended to give Kaiba's backstory or company more prominence, and each arc had its own kind of sin for the fans: the Virtual World interrupted Battle City, and was incredibly weird and nonsensical to many people. Waking the Dragons/Doma had irrational characterization for both Yami and Mai, and screwed with the history of the Shadow Games, and the KC Tournament arc was perceived as just a long breather episode that did little even to expand on Kaiba's character, who the Big Bad of that arc was targeting. And that isn't even mentioning the oddness that is Capsule Monsters.
** And when When the people who write the filler arcs have to do their own series, you get the first two seasons of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. The original series ending and the considerably lower quality of ''GX'''s dub did it no favors in the popularity department, but even fans of the series acknowledge that the series's lack of focus, slow pace, and excessive goofiness did a lot to ingrain the "[[FirstInstallmentWins spinoffs are always awful]]" mindset. That it came directly after one of the most filler-heavy and poorly-animated segments of the original meant that fans tend to label just about everything after Battle City to be a DorkAge. Thankfully, it GrewTheBeard with the Yubel arc, rescuing the franchise from its DorkAge in time for the first season of ''5Ds.''



** ''Anime/TransformersArmada'' was ''very'' rushed, with many bouts of OffModel on par with those seen in ''[[WesternAnimation/TheTransformers Generation 1]]'', an English dub with clunky dialogue, incorrect names and [[LullDestruction originally silent moments filled with inane chatter and stock phrases]], and a slow beginning with repetitive episodic adventures happening [[GrowingTheBeard before the plot really kicks off]]. But the main reason why ''Armada'' isn't considered the worst ''Transformers'' series ever...
** ... is because ''Anime/TransformersEnergon'' took that spot with almost little competition. All the problems with ''Armada'' were [[UpToEleven amplified]], with the plot starting off good, before repeating itself halfway in and having the final few episodes have nothing to do with anything, character arcs largely being quietly dropped or else ended in a way that doesn't actually resolve them, the setting robbing the cast of any real ''need'' to transform, and the CG models [[DullSurprise lacking emotion]] (to the point where sometimes they're hand-drawn ''just because it looks more impressive''). The dub is even worse - unfinished animation is used, LullDestruction is in full effect (seriously, count how many times you hear "Uhh?" in a moment of silence), mistranslations are plentiful, and an important episode that develops two characters is dropped and replaced with a non-canon Japanese special. [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Energon_%28cartoon%29 Just read what]] Wiki/TFWikiDotNet has to say about it.

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** ''Anime/TransformersArmada'' was ''very'' rushed, with many bouts of OffModel on par with those seen in ''[[WesternAnimation/TheTransformers Generation 1]]'', an English dub with clunky dialogue, incorrect names and [[LullDestruction originally silent moments filled with inane chatter and stock phrases]], and a slow beginning with repetitive episodic adventures happening [[GrowingTheBeard before the plot really kicks off]]. But the main reason why ''Armada'' isn't considered the worst ''Transformers'' series ever...
** ...
ever is because ''Anime/TransformersEnergon'' took that spot with almost little competition. All the problems with ''Armada'' were [[UpToEleven amplified]], with the plot starting off good, before repeating itself halfway in and having the final few episodes have nothing to do with anything, character arcs largely being quietly dropped or else ended in a way that doesn't actually resolve them, the setting robbing the cast of any real ''need'' to transform, and the CG models [[DullSurprise lacking emotion]] (to the point where sometimes they're hand-drawn ''just because it looks more impressive''). The dub is even worse - unfinished animation is used, LullDestruction is in full effect (seriously, count how many times you hear "Uhh?" in a moment of silence), mistranslations are plentiful, and an important episode that develops two characters is dropped and replaced with a non-canon Japanese special. [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Energon_%28cartoon%29 Just read what]] Wiki/TFWikiDotNet has to say about it.
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