History DorkAge / AnimeAndManga

25th Jul '16 12:48:49 AM BNSF1995
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** Kalos is considered the Dork Age for Japanese fans, while it's the opposite in the western world. The main factors are most likely Serena's character being built almost entirely around her crush on Ash, and the rise of ''Yo-Kai Watch'', which is seen as the death of ''Pokemon'' (this could be reversed with the advent of ''Pokemon GO'', however).
14th Jun '16 11:43:07 PM ShiroAkuma
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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic routes of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.

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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic routes roots of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.
9th Jun '16 11:14:48 PM bowserbros
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* While ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is still very popular in Japan and considerably well-loved in the west, each region has their own candidate for the comic's low point:
** In Japan, ''Diamond is Unbreakable'' is seen as a rather inferior PostScriptSeason compared to the first three parts. Reasons for this include the [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] of the bow & arrow and the protagonist Josuke being the illegitimate son of Joseph, the incredibly formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek plotline (which had already been established as a formula in ''Stardust Crusaders''), and the lack of a real end goal until Reimi Sugimoto and Yoshikage Kira show up. Not helping is Creator/HirohikoAraki displaying a conspicuous bias in favor of ''[=DiU=]'', classifying Josuke as his favorite [=JoJo=] and pushing for representation of part 4 to the point where Japanese fans see it as over-represented.
** Overseas fans of the series tend to look down on ''Vento Aureo'' due to the perception of main protagonist Giorno as bland and uninteresting (though translations may be to blame for this), the extremely-formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek nature that exacerbated the flaws of the previous two parts' plot styles, the [[{{Narm}} narmily]]-[[WTHCostumingAgency designed]] and overly-generic villain Diavolo, and the ending, which reeks of DeusExMachina even by ''[=JoJo=]'' standards. Detractors take particular ire towards Giorno, who for the latter reason plus the fact that he's the illegitimate son of [[GreaterScopeVillain D]][[CrazyAwesome I]][[MagnificentBastard O]] (even reappropriating his battle cry of "MUDA MUDA MUDA") comes off as somewhat of a MartyStu.
** Interestingly enough, each of the above parts that is loathed in one region is highly enjoyed in the other.
1st Jun '16 5:21:05 PM bowserbros
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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic routes of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Today, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only superior sequels to ''Z'', but also ignore ''GT'' entirely.

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* Many, '''many''' fans of ''Franchise/DragonBall'' see ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' as this. After the end of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Creator/ToeiAnimation decided to bank off of ''Z'' 's success by creating an original sequel series taking place after Goku leaves to train Uub. The anime attempted to [[LighterAndSofter return]] the franchise to the comedic routes of the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', but suddenly went back to ''Z'' 's DarkerAndEdgier tone after Toei realized how little people appreciated the comedy. Many of ''GT'' 's detractors state that both the comedy and drama of the show was shoehorned in compared to the more natural flow of the original manga, and the [[CerebusRollercoaster sudden shifts in tone]] taken by ''GT'' certainly didn't help matters. Today, Despite ''Dragon Ball'' creator Creator/AkiraToriyama having been heavily involved with the show's production and giving his personal approval of the series, it's become so disliked that one of the biggest [[BrokenBase points of debate]] in the fandom is whether or not the show is canon. Luckily, Luckily for these fans, Toei seems to have redeemed themselves with ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', which are not only seen as superior sequels to ''Z'', but also seem to ignore ''GT'' entirely.
29th May '16 9:23:32 PM Willbyr
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* The second season of the ''BlackButler'' anime is seen as this by nearly all of the fandom. The {{shotacon}} fanservice was cranked up to intolerably {{squick}}y levels, the new characters were poorly written and completely unlikable (and the returning ones were derailed or {{flanderized}}), and the plot was a near-complete mess that had nothing to do with the manga and had a GainaxEnding. It took ''years'' for another season to be made, and it unsurprisingly ignores everything that happened in this.

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* The second season of the ''BlackButler'' ''Manga/BlackButler'' anime is seen as this by nearly all of the fandom. The {{shotacon}} fanservice was cranked up to intolerably {{squick}}y levels, the new characters were poorly written and completely unlikable (and the returning ones were derailed or {{flanderized}}), and the plot was a near-complete mess that had nothing to do with the manga and had a GainaxEnding. It took ''years'' for another season to be made, and it unsurprisingly ignores everything that happened in this.
18th Apr '16 1:44:54 PM mlsmithca
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* ''Manga/AstroBoy'' might be a classic, but not even it is immune to dork ages. In the sixties, Tezuka had Astro Boy go through a FaceHeelTurn, and wrote a story where a construction error turned Astro Boy evil. Instead of being a champion of justice who never wanted to hurt a human being, the evil Astro didn't care a bit about human lives anymore. Tezuka didn't actually like the idea of Astro Boy turning evil, but his editor insisted that an Astro Boy who killed people and destroyed buildings would be more interesting. Though Tezuka was fully aware that violent anti-heroes were the latest trend in manga, he didn't feel that it was the way to go for Astro Boy. Still, the editor [[ExecutiveMeddling made Tezuka change Astro.]] Tezuka himself was convinced that the readers preferred Astro to be a good-hearted robot, and was proven right when the readers turned out to have zero interest in reading about an evil Astro Boy. Tezuka [[HeelFaceTurn changed him back,]] but it took a lot of time and effort to get the series' popularity back.

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* ''Manga/AstroBoy'' might be a classic, but not even it is immune to dork ages. In the sixties, Tezuka had Astro Boy go through a FaceHeelTurn, and wrote a story where a construction error turned Astro Boy evil. Instead of being a champion of justice who never wanted to hurt a human being, the evil Astro didn't care a bit about human lives anymore. Tezuka didn't actually like the idea of Astro Boy turning evil, but his editor insisted that an Astro Boy who killed people and destroyed buildings would be more interesting. Though Tezuka was fully aware that violent anti-heroes were the latest trend in manga, he didn't feel that it was the way to go for Astro Boy. Still, the editor Boy, but his [[ExecutiveMeddling made Tezuka change Astro.editor insisted that an Astro Boy who killed people and destroyed buildings would be more interesting.]] Tezuka himself was convinced that the readers preferred Astro to be a good-hearted robot, and was proven right when the readers turned out to have zero interest in reading about an evil Astro Boy. Tezuka [[HeelFaceTurn changed him back,]] but it took a lot of time and effort to get the series' popularity back.
18th Apr '16 8:21:36 AM katethegr8
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* Not even ''Manga/OnePiece'' has remained unscratched. After Marineford, which is the climax of the first part of One Piece came Fishman Island and then Punk Hazard. Fishman Island was poorly received by fans, who cite the very slow pacing and weak villains as the reasons for disliking the season. Punk Hazard was better received, but not by much. Punk Hazard's problem, according to most, is that most of it was running.

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* %%* Not even ''Manga/OnePiece'' has remained unscratched. After Marineford, which is the climax of the first part of One Piece came Fishman Island and then Punk Hazard. Fishman Island was poorly received by fans, who cite the very slow pacing and weak villains as the reasons for disliking the season. Punk Hazard was better received, but not by much. Punk Hazard's problem, according to most, is that most of it was running.
14th Mar '16 9:45:02 PM bowserbros
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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica of]] [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. them. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica of]] [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).
23rd Feb '16 6:34:41 PM LDragon2
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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing of [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing of [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica of]] [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).
17th Feb '16 10:23:35 PM NintendoNate25
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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing of [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure well]]-[[Manga/AttackOnTitan received]], [[Anime/KillLaKill non]]-[[Anime/SpaceDandy moe]] [[Manga/PingPong anime]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} in]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan recent years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The genre in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions and [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them, in part because of the aforementioned rise in fansubs. The age is arguably considered to be ending nowadays, since the airing of [[Anime/DragonBallKai several]] [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure well]]-[[Manga/AttackOnTitan [[Manga/HunterXHunter well]]-[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure received]], [[Anime/KillLaKill non]]-[[Anime/SpaceDandy [[Manga/AttackOnTitan non]]-[[Anime/KillLaKill moe]] [[Anime/SpaceDandy anime]] [[Manga/PingPong anime]] in]] [[Manga/{{Parasyte}} in]] recent]] [[Webcomic/OnePunchMan recent years]] and the revival of Toonami have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to continue ''Dragon Ball Kai'' into the Buu saga [after it had just wrapped up the Cell saga] as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).
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