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16th Mar '17 8:16:13 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''Anime/{{Mobile Suit Gundam|Age}} [[{{Irony}} AGE]]'' is simply condemned a mediocre and a mixed bag inconsistent attempt with [[GenerationalSaga a multi-generational plot]]. Some fans criticize it for [[TastesLikeDiabetes looking too childish]], others says it [[RecycledScript rips off everything the previous Gundams had]], others notice that the series digs deeper and deeper into having [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy needless deaths, violence]] and [[IdiotPlot stupidities]]. The 2nd arc is considered better, but the 3rd arc pushes the series into rock bottom.
** This is probably why the OVA for that series, ''Memory of Eden'', decided to focus more on the second arc, to the point that it [[DemotedToExtra demotes Kio to a forgettable background character]] by the time the 3rd Generation comes along.

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* ''Anime/{{Mobile Suit Gundam|Age}} [[{{Irony}} AGE]]'' ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge'' is simply condemned a mediocre and a mixed bag inconsistent attempt with [[GenerationalSaga a multi-generational plot]]. Some fans criticize it for [[TastesLikeDiabetes looking too childish]], others says it [[RecycledScript rips off everything the previous Gundams had]], others notice that the series digs deeper and deeper into having [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy needless deaths, violence]] and [[IdiotPlot stupidities]]. The 2nd arc is considered better, but the 3rd arc pushes the series into rock bottom.
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bottom. This is probably explains why the OVA for that series, ''Memory of Eden'', decided to focus more on the second arc, to the point that it [[DemotedToExtra demotes Kio to a forgettable side background character]] by the time the 3rd Generation comes along.
16th Mar '17 7:37:59 PM Rmpdc
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** This is probably why the OVA for that series, ''Memory of Eden'', decided to focus more on the second arc, to the point that it [[DemotedToExtra demotes Kio to a forgettable background character]] by the time the 3rd Generation comes along.
23rd Feb '17 8:26:01 AM PurrElise
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* Majority of fans believed that Creator/{{Clamp}} entered the Dork Age when their first original anime, ''Anime/BloodC'', took off which earn a LoveItOrHateIt reaction from viewers and poor BD sales for having a FailureHeroine which invokes a lot of GenreBlindness, IdiotPlot and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the needless gore and violence]]. Though many argued that the dork age started when the last chapters of ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' enter into MindScrew territory and the NoEnding of ''Manga/{{Xxxholic}}''. Clamp is now trying to WinBackTheCrowd by continuing ''Tsubasa'' and ''xxxHolic'' in order to fix the problem, the sales went down on its second week which indicates that Clamp really needs to step up from their game to pass the dork age.

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* Majority of fans believed that Creator/{{Clamp}} Creator/{{CLAMP}} entered the Dork Age when their first original anime, ''Anime/BloodC'', took off which earn a LoveItOrHateIt reaction from viewers and poor BD sales for having a FailureHeroine which invokes a lot of GenreBlindness, IdiotPlot and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the needless gore and violence]]. Though many argued that the dork age started when the last chapters of ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' enter into MindScrew territory and the NoEnding of ''Manga/{{Xxxholic}}''. Clamp CLAMP is now trying to WinBackTheCrowd by continuing ''Tsubasa'' and ''xxxHolic'' in order to fix the problem, the sales went down on its second week which indicates that Clamp CLAMP really needs to step up from their game to pass the dork age.
17th Dec '16 4:34:21 PM Isaac_Heller
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still considered to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Things changed with ''Sun and Moon'', which got criticized for the design and portrayal of Ash and for ditching the more loved aspects of prior seasons and generations.
14th Dec '16 6:28:33 PM MyFinalEdits
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of the original series, and Unova, Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].

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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt considered to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old Things changed with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of ''Sun and Moon'', which got criticized for the original series, design and Unova, portrayal of Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On and for ditching the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most more loved aspects of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].prior seasons and generations.
14th Dec '16 9:14:57 AM JediMasterDraco
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** While a sour taste was left by the Kalos League, the X and Y series was still felt to have been a pretty good series with awesome battles and beautiful animation. Then we got a look at the character designs for Sun and Moon. The situation was not improved by Ash (veteran of six regions) running around like an ADHD ten-year-old with a caffeine addiction. Even during his worst moments of the original series, and Unova, Ash wasn't this spastic. [[INeedAFreakingDrink On the plus side]] [[DrowningMySorrows most of the older fans are now legally allowed to drink]].
19th Nov '16 10:26:52 AM Gosicrystal
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** Unova is brought up a lot due to how hard the ResetButton was pressed for Ash, the amount of [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot potentially awesome plot threads that were left untapped]], having ''several'' [[TheScrappy Scrappys]], the massive AssPull to make Ash lose at the Unova League that's possibly worse than [[DiabolusExMachina Tobias]], [[EndingFatigue and ending on a]] FillerArc. [[FleetingDemographicRule And that's]] [[ReplacementScrappy not even]] [[PlotHole getting into]] [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the Genesect movie]].

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** Unova is brought up a lot due to how hard the ResetButton was pressed for Ash, the amount of [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot potentially awesome plot threads that were left untapped]], having ''several'' [[TheScrappy Scrappys]], the massive AssPull to make Ash lose at the Unova League that's possibly worse than [[DiabolusExMachina Tobias]], [[EndingFatigue and ending on a]] FillerArc. [[FleetingDemographicRule And that's]] [[ReplacementScrappy that's not even]] [[PlotHole even getting into]] into [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the Genesect movie]].
19th Nov '16 10:19:10 AM SpinAttaxx
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** ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'' is agreed to have been the start of a Dork Age for the movies (though as with the main series, whether or not it's merely a continuation of one is up for debate). Coming after the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel positively-received]] ''Anime/PokemonKyuremVSTheSwordOfJustice'', ''Genesect'' quickly became a divisive movie thanks to a slew of questionable story decisions, most prominently [[ReplacementScrappy the introduction of]] a brand new (yet {{suspiciously similar|Substitute}}) Mewtwo over the fan-favorite original from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie''. The [[Anime/PokemonDiancieAndTheCocoonOfDestruction next]] [[Anime/PokemonHoopaAndTheClashOfAges three]] [[Anime/PokemonVolcanionAndTheMechanicalMarvel movies]], based on the main animé's concurrent ''XY'' series, received [[SoOkayItsAverage lukewarm]] (at best) reception with fans (being regarded as fairly shallow and hollow, especially ''Hoopa and the Clash of Ages''), and even in their native Japan they performed poorly in comparison to the other movies in the series.
20th Oct '16 12:19:50 PM bowserbros
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* While ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is still very popular in Japan and considerably well-loved in the west, each region has their own candidate for the comic's low point:
** In Japan, ''Diamond is Unbreakable'' is seen as a rather inferior PostScriptSeason compared to the first three parts. Reasons for this include the [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] of the bow & arrow and the protagonist Josuke being the illegitimate son of Joseph, the incredibly formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek plotline (which had already been established as a formula in ''Stardust Crusaders''), and the lack of a real end goal until Reimi Sugimoto and Yoshikage Kira show up. Not helping is Creator/HirohikoAraki displaying a conspicuous bias in favor of ''[=DiU=]'', classifying Josuke as his favorite [=JoJo=] and pushing for representation of part 4 to the point where Japanese fans see it as over-represented.
** Overseas fans of the series tend to look down on ''Vento Aureo'' due to the perception of main protagonist Giorno as bland and uninteresting (though translations may be to blame for this), the extremely-formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek nature that exacerbated the flaws of the previous two parts' plot styles, the [[{{Narm}} narmily]]-[[WTHCostumingAgency designed]] and overly-generic villain Diavolo, and the ending, which reeks of DeusExMachina even by ''[=JoJo=]'' standards. Detractors take particular ire towards Giorno, who for the latter reason plus the fact that he's the illegitimate son of [[GreaterScopeVillain D]][[CrazyAwesome I]][[MagnificentBastard O]] (even reappropriating his battle cry of "MUDA MUDA MUDA") comes off as somewhat of a MartyStu.

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* While ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is still very popular in Japan and considerably well-loved in the west, each region has their own candidate candidates for the comic's low point:
** In Japan, ''Diamond ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable Diamond is Unbreakable'' Unbreakable]]'' is seen as a rather inferior PostScriptSeason compared to the first three parts. Reasons for this include the [[{{Retcon}} retcons]] of the bow & arrow and the protagonist Josuke being the illegitimate son of Joseph, the incredibly formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek plotline (which had already been established as a formula in ''Stardust Crusaders''), and the lack of a real end goal until Reimi Sugimoto and Yoshikage Kira show up. Not helping is Creator/HirohikoAraki displaying a conspicuous bias in favor of ''[=DiU=]'', classifying Josuke as his favorite [=JoJo=] and pushing for representation of part 4 to the point where Japanese fans see it as over-represented.
** Japanese fans have also expressed their distaste for ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureStoneOcean Stone Ocean]]'', though exactly ''why'' that particular part is so loathed is a pretty big BrokenBase; all that can be discerned is that for one reason or another, part 6 isn't exactly the most popular part on domestic shores.
** Overseas fans of the series tend to look down on ''Vento Aureo'' ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureVentoAureo Vento Aureo]]'' due to the perception of main protagonist Giorno as bland and uninteresting (though translations may be to blame for this), the extremely-formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek nature that exacerbated the flaws of the previous two parts' plot styles, the [[{{Narm}} narmily]]-[[WTHCostumingAgency designed]] and overly-generic villain Diavolo, and the ending, which reeks of DeusExMachina even by ''[=JoJo=]'' standards. Detractors take particular ire towards Giorno, who for the latter reason plus the fact that he's the illegitimate son of [[GreaterScopeVillain D]][[CrazyAwesome I]][[MagnificentBastard O]] (even reappropriating his battle cry of "MUDA MUDA MUDA") comes off as somewhat of a MartyStu.
19th Oct '16 12:07:40 PM WhatArtThee
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* The medium in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to be reaching its final days, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Creator/{{Toonami}} have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).

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* The medium in general was considered to be going through one during the later years of the TurnOfTheMillennium and the first half of TheNewTens, from 2008-2012, when there was a prominent shift towards LighterAndSofter {{Moe}} productions that [[PanderingToTheBase pandered]] to otakus, with [[AudienceALienatingPremise little to no regard]] towards international appeal. Meanwhile, the rise in fansubs and illegal torrenting discouraged dubbing companies from producing dubs for foreign audiences, who could easily download a fansubbed anime episode just hours after its Japanese airing for free. During this time, it became more popular to mock anime fans than to be one, with the {{Kawaiiko}} and OccidentalOtaku stereotypes becoming common insults against them. The age is considered to be reaching its final days, ended around 2012 or so, since the airing of several well-received, non-moe anime in the following years and the revival of Creator/{{Toonami}} have [[WinBackTheCrowd spurred a renewed interest]] in anime & manga in the west and a gradually re-emerging interest in international appeal in the east (for instance, Toei Animation decided to [[{{Uncancelled}} uncancel]] ''Dragon Ball Kai'' as a result of the anime's wide appeal in the west).



** Kalos is considered a Dork Age for Japanese fans. The main factors are most likely [[SatelliteCharacter Serena's character being built almost entirely around her crush on Ash]], and the rise of ''Franchise/YokaiWatch'', which is seen as the death of ''Pokémon'' (though this could be reversed with the advent of ''VideoGame/PokemonGo''). Oddly, while [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Western fans considered Kalos an improvement]], this changed when [[spoiler:[[StatusQuoIsGod Ash lost the Kalos League to Alain]], when everything hyped the episode up so that he would actually win]], thus this season is now considered a Dork Age amongst Western fans too (those that kept watching, however, felt that the Team Flare arc which followed at least partially made up for it).
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