History DisproportionateRetribution / MythsAndReligion

19th Oct '16 12:48:20 PM Eagal
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** Not to be outdone, Gaia instigated a fair number of the divine conflicts, usually as escalation from a previous conflict. In revenge for Zeus' overthrow of her children, the Titans, Gaia gave birth to the Giants by Uranus and Typhon by Tartarus and turned them lose on him, never mind that Cronus was guilty of the exact same crimes he had killed his own father for.

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** Not to be outdone, Gaia instigated a fair number of the divine conflicts, usually as escalation from a previous conflict. In revenge for Zeus' overthrow of her children, the Titans, Gaia gave birth to the Giants by Uranus and Typhon by Tartarus and turned them lose loose on him, never mind that Cronus was guilty of the exact same crimes he had killed his own father for.
19th Oct '16 12:47:59 PM Eagal
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** Not to be outdone, Gaia instigated a fair number of the divine conflicts, usually as escalation from a previous conflict. In revenge for his overthrow of her children, the Titans, Gaia gave birth to the Giants by Uranus and Typhon by Tartarus and turned them lose on Zeus, never mind that Cronus was guilty of the exact same crimes he had killed his own father for.

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** Not to be outdone, Gaia instigated a fair number of the divine conflicts, usually as escalation from a previous conflict. In revenge for his Zeus' overthrow of her children, the Titans, Gaia gave birth to the Giants by Uranus and Typhon by Tartarus and turned them lose on Zeus, him, never mind that Cronus was guilty of the exact same crimes he had killed his own father for.
1st Aug '16 9:18:05 AM treehugger0369
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** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris in challenging a god.]]

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*** Another version is that Zeus was initially angry at Prometheus for giving Man fire, but relented when Man starts sacrificing to the gods themselves. Prometheus didn't like Man giving up the best fruits of their labor, even of their own volition, and so comes up with the aforementioned plan. This gets him punished for essentially teaching Man to cheat the gods.
** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris in challenging a god.]]]]
*** A similar story has Pan challenge Apollo to a musical contest with the same(or at least similar) instruments. Of the overseeing judges, all of them voted for Apollo but one--King Midas. Apollo decided that Midas's ears "were too small to hear properly" if he preferred a reed flute to a lyre, and gave him donkey ears in response.
21st Jun '16 11:43:54 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.

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*** Even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud Literature/TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.
4th Nov '15 7:40:54 PM DoctorCooper
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** In 2 Kings, the prophet Elisha is mocked for being bald by some local youths. Rude, sure, but God summoning two she-bears to kill (or at the very least maim) 42 of said youths might have been overreacting just a tad...
*** Though it should be noted that [[ValuesDissonance "Bald-head" was also a far worse insult to an Israelite at the time than it sounds to modern ears.]] It was practically a curse.
*** The "youths" at the time were likely teenagers ("laboring in the fields") and the "stones" they threw were more akin to bricks. So it was less little kids calling him names and more a gang of young toughs telling him ''"You don't belong here, Jew-boy."''

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** In 2 Kings, the prophet Elisha is mocked for being bald by some local youths. Rude, sure, but God summoning two she-bears to kill (or at the very least maim) 42 of said youths might have been overreacting just a tad...
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tad... Though it should be noted that [[ValuesDissonance "Bald-head" was also a far worse insult to an Israelite at the time than it sounds to modern ears.]] It was practically a curse.
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curse. Also, the "youths" at the time were likely teenagers ("laboring in the fields") and the "stones" they threw were more akin to bricks. So it was less little kids calling him names and more a gang of young toughs telling him ''"You don't belong here, Jew-boy."''



** A ''lot'' of the "sins" in the Bible, which can all be punished pretty harshly, fall under this trope. You can stone a child to death for being disobedient, or be punished for wearing mixed fabrics or planting two crops in the same field.

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** A ''lot'' of the "sins" sins in the Bible, which can all be punished pretty harshly, fall under this trope. You can stone a child to death for being disobedient, or be punished for wearing mixed fabrics or planting two crops in the same field.



*** And even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.

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*** And even Even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.
28th Aug '15 6:25:00 PM ablackraptor
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** In one of the older stories and the original explanation for Loki's binding to the rock, Loki gate-crashed a party the other gods were throwing, during which they spent the time making fun of Loki behind his back. After convincing Odin to let him stay, Loki got into a snarking contest with the gods and verbally kicked their asses, until Thor arrived. Unamused by Loki's jokes, the gods dragged him to a boulder, killed Narfi as above to use his entrails as binds, tied Loki up, and left him for years with a snake dripping venom into his eyes. When the stories were HijackedByJesus, the above story with Hodr was introduced to add more reasoning for why the gods were mad at Loki, but in the older tales he was essentially punished for insulting the gods who'd just been insulting him.
1st Jul '15 5:10:51 PM Fireblood
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* In several religions that believe in Karma, it's said that any negative karma will come back to the offender only 7 or more times worse.

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* In several religions that believe in Karma, it's said that any negative karma will come back to the offender only 7 or more times worse.worse. Some, like Hinduism, don't even require that you intend to commit sins, either. Just being in contact with ritually unclean things is negative karma.
1st Jul '15 4:17:29 PM Fireblood
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** In the book of Judges in the Bible, the Philistines bind Samson, gouge out his eyes, and make him entertain them. (This was after he had already killed thirty Philistines in order to steal their clothes, "struck down" 1,000 Philistines who were sent to capture him, and killed members of the Philistines who were ruling over his people on other occasions.) He asks for strength, saying, "let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." He then performs a suicide attack in which he pushes apart the pillars holding up a building with 3,000 men and women on the roof, "So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life."

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** In the book of Judges in the Bible, the Philistines bind Samson, gouge out his eyes, and make him entertain them. (This was after he had already killed thirty Philistines in order to steal their clothes, "struck down" 1,000 Philistines who were sent to capture him, and killed members of the Philistines who were ruling over his people on other occasions.) He asks for strength, saying, "let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." He then performs a suicide attack {{suicide attack}} in which he pushes apart the pillars holding up a building with 3,000 men and women on the roof, "So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life."



** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris to challenge a god.]]

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** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris to challenge in challenging a god.]]



** Niobe (half-goddess) thought it unfair that the goddess Leto was honoured more than her because, among other things, Leto had only one son and one daughter, Niobe has seven of each. In an extra-dickish move, even by Greek God standards, Leto has her son Apollo kill all her completely innocent sons and her daughter Artemis kill all her completely innocent daughters (except one in some versions of the story). For extra cruelty, the daughters are killed right in front of their mother. The real reason Niobe should be honoured more than Leto is that Niobe was not a complete dick.

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** Niobe (half-goddess) thought it unfair that the goddess Leto was honoured more than her because, among other things, Leto had only one son and one daughter, while Niobe has had seven of each. In an extra-dickish move, even by Greek God standards, Leto has her son Apollo kill all her completely innocent sons and her daughter Artemis kill all her completely innocent daughters (except one in some versions of the story). For extra cruelty, the daughters are killed right in front of their mother. The real reason Niobe should be honoured more than Leto is that Niobe was not a complete dick.



*** Even worse. The entire mess began when Paris was asked by Aphrodite, Athenea and Hera to judge which of them was the fairiest (after Eris, Goddess of Discord, threw a golden apple saying "To the fairiest"). Paris was undecided, so the three tried to bribe him: Athenea offered wisdom, skill in battle and great ability to fight; Hera, dominion over all of Asia, and Aphrodite the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris picked Aphrodite, earning himself the enmity of the other two goddesses.

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*** Even worse. The entire mess began when Paris was asked by Aphrodite, Athenea Athena and Hera to judge which of them was the fairiest (after Eris, Goddess of Discord, threw a golden apple apple, saying "To the fairiest"). Paris was undecided, so the three tried to bribe him: Athenea Athena offered wisdom, skill in battle and great ability to fight; Hera, dominion over all of Asia, and Aphrodite the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris picked Aphrodite, earning himself the enmity of the other two goddesses.
4th May '15 2:36:22 PM nombretomado
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* GreekMythology ''loves'' this trope. The below examples are proof that if you piss off the Greek gods in a dream, you had ''better'' wake up and apologize.

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* GreekMythology Myth/GreekMythology ''loves'' this trope. The below examples are proof that if you piss off the Greek gods in a dream, you had ''better'' wake up and apologize.



* NorseMythology:

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16th Mar '15 8:28:08 PM jormis29
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** TheTrojanWar was (ostensibly) started because Helen of Troy ran off with Paris. The Greeks commence a ten-year siege of Troy, and eventually sack the city, enslave all the women, and kill off the men. ValuesDissonance factors in here, because the Greeks took [[SacredHospitality the law of hospitality]] very seriously. Also, many of Helen's former suitors swore to do just this if she should be kidnapped.

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** TheTrojanWar UsefulNotes/TheTrojanWar was (ostensibly) started because Helen of Troy ran off with Paris. The Greeks commence a ten-year siege of Troy, and eventually sack the city, enslave all the women, and kill off the men. ValuesDissonance factors in here, because the Greeks took [[SacredHospitality the law of hospitality]] very seriously. Also, many of Helen's former suitors swore to do just this if she should be kidnapped.
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