History DisproportionateRetribution / MythsAndReligion

4th Nov '15 7:40:54 PM DoctorCooper
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** In 2 Kings, the prophet Elisha is mocked for being bald by some local youths. Rude, sure, but God summoning two she-bears to kill (or at the very least maim) 42 of said youths might have been overreacting just a tad...
*** Though it should be noted that [[ValuesDissonance "Bald-head" was also a far worse insult to an Israelite at the time than it sounds to modern ears.]] It was practically a curse.
*** The "youths" at the time were likely teenagers ("laboring in the fields") and the "stones" they threw were more akin to bricks. So it was less little kids calling him names and more a gang of young toughs telling him ''"You don't belong here, Jew-boy."''

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** In 2 Kings, the prophet Elisha is mocked for being bald by some local youths. Rude, sure, but God summoning two she-bears to kill (or at the very least maim) 42 of said youths might have been overreacting just a tad...
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tad... Though it should be noted that [[ValuesDissonance "Bald-head" was also a far worse insult to an Israelite at the time than it sounds to modern ears.]] It was practically a curse.
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curse. Also, the "youths" at the time were likely teenagers ("laboring in the fields") and the "stones" they threw were more akin to bricks. So it was less little kids calling him names and more a gang of young toughs telling him ''"You don't belong here, Jew-boy."''



** A ''lot'' of the "sins" in the Bible, which can all be punished pretty harshly, fall under this trope. You can stone a child to death for being disobedient, or be punished for wearing mixed fabrics or planting two crops in the same field.

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** A ''lot'' of the "sins" sins in the Bible, which can all be punished pretty harshly, fall under this trope. You can stone a child to death for being disobedient, or be punished for wearing mixed fabrics or planting two crops in the same field.



*** And even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.

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*** And even Even Jews today recognize those laws are somewhat outré. TheTalmud has made the application of those laws almost impossible to put into practise (i.e. requiring four witnesses, requiring the offendant to express his intention, etc.), as the Rabbis knew that Draconian justice did more harm than good for the general adherence to the law. In such situations, the secular law eclipses the religious law.
28th Aug '15 6:25:00 PM ablackraptor
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** In one of the older stories and the original explanation for Loki's binding to the rock, Loki gate-crashed a party the other gods were throwing, during which they spent the time making fun of Loki behind his back. After convincing Odin to let him stay, Loki got into a snarking contest with the gods and verbally kicked their asses, until Thor arrived. Unamused by Loki's jokes, the gods dragged him to a boulder, killed Narfi as above to use his entrails as binds, tied Loki up, and left him for years with a snake dripping venom into his eyes. When the stories were HijackedByJesus, the above story with Hodr was introduced to add more reasoning for why the gods were mad at Loki, but in the older tales he was essentially punished for insulting the gods who'd just been insulting him.
1st Jul '15 5:10:51 PM Fireblood
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* In several religions that believe in Karma, it's said that any negative karma will come back to the offender only 7 or more times worse.

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* In several religions that believe in Karma, it's said that any negative karma will come back to the offender only 7 or more times worse.worse. Some, like Hinduism, don't even require that you intend to commit sins, either. Just being in contact with ritually unclean things is negative karma.
1st Jul '15 4:17:29 PM Fireblood
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** In the book of Judges in the Bible, the Philistines bind Samson, gouge out his eyes, and make him entertain them. (This was after he had already killed thirty Philistines in order to steal their clothes, "struck down" 1,000 Philistines who were sent to capture him, and killed members of the Philistines who were ruling over his people on other occasions.) He asks for strength, saying, "let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." He then performs a suicide attack in which he pushes apart the pillars holding up a building with 3,000 men and women on the roof, "So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life."

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** In the book of Judges in the Bible, the Philistines bind Samson, gouge out his eyes, and make him entertain them. (This was after he had already killed thirty Philistines in order to steal their clothes, "struck down" 1,000 Philistines who were sent to capture him, and killed members of the Philistines who were ruling over his people on other occasions.) He asks for strength, saying, "let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." He then performs a suicide attack {{suicide attack}} in which he pushes apart the pillars holding up a building with 3,000 men and women on the roof, "So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life."



** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris to challenge a god.]]

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** Witness Apollo, who was challenged to a contest of music by a satyr named Marsyas. When it was determined by the Muses who were overseeing the competition that both were equal, Apollo, in a total dick move, decreed they play and sing at the same time. As Apollo played the lyre, this was easy to do. Marsyas could not do this as he only knew how to use the flute and could not sing at the same time. Naturally, Apollo was declared the winner. He proceeded to ''flay Marsyas alive'' [[DoNotTauntCthulhu for his hubris to challenge in challenging a god.]]



** Niobe (half-goddess) thought it unfair that the goddess Leto was honoured more than her because, among other things, Leto had only one son and one daughter, Niobe has seven of each. In an extra-dickish move, even by Greek God standards, Leto has her son Apollo kill all her completely innocent sons and her daughter Artemis kill all her completely innocent daughters (except one in some versions of the story). For extra cruelty, the daughters are killed right in front of their mother. The real reason Niobe should be honoured more than Leto is that Niobe was not a complete dick.

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** Niobe (half-goddess) thought it unfair that the goddess Leto was honoured more than her because, among other things, Leto had only one son and one daughter, while Niobe has had seven of each. In an extra-dickish move, even by Greek God standards, Leto has her son Apollo kill all her completely innocent sons and her daughter Artemis kill all her completely innocent daughters (except one in some versions of the story). For extra cruelty, the daughters are killed right in front of their mother. The real reason Niobe should be honoured more than Leto is that Niobe was not a complete dick.



*** Even worse. The entire mess began when Paris was asked by Aphrodite, Athenea and Hera to judge which of them was the fairiest (after Eris, Goddess of Discord, threw a golden apple saying "To the fairiest"). Paris was undecided, so the three tried to bribe him: Athenea offered wisdom, skill in battle and great ability to fight; Hera, dominion over all of Asia, and Aphrodite the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris picked Aphrodite, earning himself the enmity of the other two goddesses.

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*** Even worse. The entire mess began when Paris was asked by Aphrodite, Athenea Athena and Hera to judge which of them was the fairiest (after Eris, Goddess of Discord, threw a golden apple apple, saying "To the fairiest"). Paris was undecided, so the three tried to bribe him: Athenea Athena offered wisdom, skill in battle and great ability to fight; Hera, dominion over all of Asia, and Aphrodite the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris picked Aphrodite, earning himself the enmity of the other two goddesses.
4th May '15 2:36:22 PM nombretomado
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* GreekMythology ''loves'' this trope. The below examples are proof that if you piss off the Greek gods in a dream, you had ''better'' wake up and apologize.

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* GreekMythology Myth/GreekMythology ''loves'' this trope. The below examples are proof that if you piss off the Greek gods in a dream, you had ''better'' wake up and apologize.



* NorseMythology:

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16th Mar '15 8:28:08 PM jormis29
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** TheTrojanWar was (ostensibly) started because Helen of Troy ran off with Paris. The Greeks commence a ten-year siege of Troy, and eventually sack the city, enslave all the women, and kill off the men. ValuesDissonance factors in here, because the Greeks took [[SacredHospitality the law of hospitality]] very seriously. Also, many of Helen's former suitors swore to do just this if she should be kidnapped.

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** TheTrojanWar UsefulNotes/TheTrojanWar was (ostensibly) started because Helen of Troy ran off with Paris. The Greeks commence a ten-year siege of Troy, and eventually sack the city, enslave all the women, and kill off the men. ValuesDissonance factors in here, because the Greeks took [[SacredHospitality the law of hospitality]] very seriously. Also, many of Helen's former suitors swore to do just this if she should be kidnapped.
2nd Feb '15 4:11:20 AM RainFairy
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*** Apollo also played a role in the fame of [[CassandraTruth Cassandra]]. Apollo gifted her with the ability to see the future, but when he tried to seduce her, she refused him, so he cursed her so that her prophecies would never be believed.

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*** Apollo also played a role in the fame of [[CassandraTruth Cassandra]]. Apollo gifted her with the ability to see the future, but when he tried to seduce her, she refused him, so he cursed her so that her prophecies would never be believed. In other versions Cassandra had become a priestess of Apollo but left the temple and neglected her duties as such, with the same extreme punishment.



*** Some versions of this claim that in the contest, Arachne weaved a tapestry mocking the various foolish acts and infidelities of the gods. So whether it was losing, being mocked, or being shown up AND mocked, Athena was pretty angry about the entire thing and tore down the tapestry, causing Arachne to kill herself. Afterwards, Athena turned her dead body into a spider, though whether for punishment or out of some remorse, the story varies.
*** Another version says that Athena was upset but not PISSED OFF, and actually wanted to warn Arachne that she was too proud for her own good. ({{Pride}} being one of the worst sins that humans could commit against the gods). So she disguised herself as an old woman and tried to have a pep-talk with Arachne herself, but she spurned Athena's warnings and boasted again about her skills. Only THEN Athena got pissed enough to enact the trope.
** Probably the most hard-done of all was Medusa and her two sisters Euryale and Stheno, the gorgons. Some versions of her story have them being turned from beautiful maidens into hideous monsters by an angry Athena because Medusa, a priestess in Athena's temple, had sex with Poseidon. Disproportionate? It gets worse in other tellings, in which Poseidon actually ''[[DefiledForever RAPED Medusa]]''.

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*** Some versions of this claim that in the contest, Arachne [[TooDumbToLive weaved a tapestry mocking the various foolish acts and infidelities of the gods. gods.]] So whether it was losing, being mocked, or being shown up AND mocked, Athena was pretty angry about the entire thing and tore down the tapestry, causing Arachne to kill herself. Afterwards, Athena turned her dead body into a spider, though whether for punishment or out of some remorse, the story varies.
*** Another version says that Athena was upset but still not PISSED OFF, pissed off, and actually wanted to warn Arachne that she was too proud for her own good. ({{Pride}} being one of the worst sins that humans could commit against the gods). So she disguised herself as an old woman and tried to have a pep-talk with Arachne herself, but she Arachne spurned Athena's warnings and boasted again about her skills. Only THEN Athena got pissed enough to enact the trope.
** Probably the most hard-done of all was Medusa and her two sisters Euryale and Stheno, the gorgons. Some versions of her story have them being turned from beautiful maidens into hideous monsters by an angry Athena because Medusa, a priestess in Athena's temple, had sex with Poseidon. Disproportionate? It gets worse in other tellings, in which Poseidon actually ''[[DefiledForever RAPED Medusa]]''.raped Medusa]]''.
*** That's only in the ''Metamorphosis'' by Ovid. In the ''original'' myth, Medusa and her sisters were '''always''' monsters, and daughters of two of the worst sea monsters at that. They never were intended to be sympathetic.
** Also, speaking of sea monsters... an innocent princess named Andromeda was ChainedToARock and almost FedToTheBeast. Why? Because her mother Queen Cassiopeia was dumb enough to boast that her daughter was more beautiful than the Nereids, and that pissed the HELL out of Poseidon who was married to one of them (Amphitrite).
29th Dec '14 6:57:28 PM MarchVee
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* In SlavicMythology, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veles_(god) Veles]], god of water, magic, earth, and the underworld, had a habit of stealing things from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun Perun]], the god of thunder, fire, and mountains. Every time this happened, Perun's response was to chase Veles and '''''blast the bejeezus out of him with lightning'''''. And anything that Veles attempted to hide behind ''also'' got zapped, up to and including houses and people. Granted, the stuff Veles stole from Perun included his cattle (''very'' important back in the pre-Christian days), ''his wife'', and '''''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo his son]]''''', but still, zapping innocents who just happened to be used as hiding spots is kinda overdoing it...

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* In SlavicMythology, Myth/SlavicMythology, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veles_(god) Veles]], god of water, magic, earth, and the underworld, had a habit of stealing things from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun Perun]], the god of thunder, fire, and mountains. Every time this happened, Perun's response was to chase Veles and '''''blast the bejeezus out of him with lightning'''''. And anything that Veles attempted to hide behind ''also'' got zapped, up to and including houses and people. Granted, the stuff Veles stole from Perun included his cattle (''very'' important back in the pre-Christian days), ''his wife'', and '''''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo his son]]''''', but still, zapping innocents who just happened to be used as hiding spots is kinda overdoing it...
4th Nov '14 7:21:00 AM Funkasaurus
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*** The "youths" at the time were likely teenagers ("laboring in the fields") and the "stones" they threw were more akin to bricks. So it was less little kids calling him names and more a gang of young toughs telling him ''"You don't belong here, Jew-boy."''
24th Aug '14 12:43:03 PM Milarqui
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*** Even worse. The entire mess began when Paris was asked by Aphrodite, Athenea and Hera to judge which of them was the fairiest (after Eris, Goddess of Discord, threw a golden apple saying "To the fairiest"). Paris was undecided, so the three tried to bribe him: Athenea offered wisdom, skill in battle and great ability to fight; Hera, dominion over all of Asia, and Aphrodite the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris picked Aphrodite, earning himself the enmity of the other two goddesses.
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