History Disney / RobinHood

4th Jun '18 3:21:04 PM cluosborne
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-->'''Prince John:''' Well they'll all be singing a different tune! Double the taxes! ''Triple'' the taxes!! ''SQUEEEEEEEZE EVERY LAST DROP!!!'' From those... musical peasants!

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-->'''Prince John:''' Well they'll all be singing a different tune! Double the taxes! ''Triple'' the taxes!! ''SQUEEEEEEEZE EVERY LAST DROP!!!'' From those... musical those insolent--musical peasants!
25th May '18 2:19:26 PM Tightwire
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This movie was the first in the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon that was made completely independent of Walt Disney, who had died in 1966 - ''Disney/TheAristocats'' was personally greenlit by Walt. The studio was suffering financially during its production, resulting in plenty of recycled animation from a multitude of films.[[note]]This makes it one of the more economical entries in the Disney Animated Canon[[/note]] [[DrinkingGame Take a shot]] when you notice recycled animation.

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This movie was the first in the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon that was made completely independent of Walt Disney, who had died in 1966 - ''Disney/TheAristocats'' was personally greenlit by Walt. The studio was suffering financially during its production, resulting in plenty of recycled animation from a multitude of films.films and within itself.[[note]]This makes it one of the more economical entries in the Disney Animated Canon[[/note]] [[DrinkingGame Take a shot]] when you notice spot recycled animation.animation or an animation blooper.
22nd May '18 12:11:50 AM MrMediaGuy2
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* BilingualBonus: Multiple characters use the [[GratuitousFrench French]] language, notably Prince John. This would seem highly unusual in a '''Robin Hood''' story (and a Disney story which takes place in England), except that French '''was''' the language of nobility from the 11th to 14th centuries (Norman Conquest to Renaissance), making it perfectly reasonable that many of the upper-class characters (and possibly a few lower class) would know how to speak both French and English.
23rd Apr '18 5:59:13 AM snichols1973
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* RhetoricalRequestBlunder: Prince John, in a throne room full of taxes, laments how Robin Hood has eluded his grasp once again:
-->'''Sir Hiss''': Sire, taxes are pouring in, the jail is full. Oh and good news, Sire. Friar Tuck is in jail.\\
'''Prince John''': [[SuddenlyShouting '''FRIAR TUCK'''?]] It's ''Robin Hood'' I want, you idiot! Oh, I'd give all my gold if I could get my hands on.... Did you say, Friar Tuck?
** Unfortunately, the "giving all his gold" statement backfires dreadfully when Robin takes all the gold from Prince John's palace.
23rd Apr '18 5:32:58 AM snichols1973
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* StealthPun: When Prince John hears of the song being sung around the kingdom, by his henchmen no less, he doubles and triples the taxes, ordering the Sheriff to squeeze every last drop out of the insolent, musical peasants; in other words, it could also be said that Prince John is collecting royalties from the villagers.
5th Apr '18 2:53:10 AM Tightwire
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29th Mar '18 6:26:46 AM Psi001
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* WeHaveBecomeComplacent: Throughout the film, Prince John and his enforcers seem to keep gaining the SmartBall whenever the heroes' start overestimating their incompetence. Things become downright bleak after they start a mocking sing-song about the Prince.
25th Mar '18 3:17:46 PM Tightwire
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** By most accounts, King Richard was a brave, chivalrous man, and a competent military leader, but he was a pretty lousy king and boy did he love war, which he waged mostly for his own personal glory, rather than for conquest of an empire. Yes, it was King Richard and his multiple Crusades which bankrupted England. Why did he give up? Injury? No, he got scurvy. On his way back to England he was captured and held ransom for two years by the Emperor of Austria, the price of which was almost 3 times England's GDP of the time.



** By most accounts, King Richard was a forgiving, generous and chivalrous man, and a competent military leader, but he was a pretty lousy king and boy did he love war. Yes, it was King Richard and his multiple Crusades which bankrupted England. First he started the Crusades in a holy war - which the Church thoroughly supported. However they didn't support the taxes required to fund it, which were raised by Prince John (because the longer Richard spent abroad in war, the longer Prince John remained in charge). Richard completely failed in his quest to either take over the Middle East, or Egypt, or find the Holy Grail. Why did he give up? Injury? No, he got scurvy. On his way back to England he was captured and held ransom for two years by the Emperor of Austria.
*** What did Richard do when, against all odds, he got back to England alive? Start ruling? Get an heir ready? No, he poured all his resources into the military and rekindled his war in France, and then died of gangrene at 41 after he was shot by a young man within his own castle walls in Limousin.

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** By most accounts, King Richard was a forgiving, generous and chivalrous man, and a competent military leader, but he was a pretty lousy king and boy did he love war. Yes, it was King Richard and his multiple Crusades which bankrupted England. First he started the Crusades in a holy war - which the Church thoroughly supported. However they didn't support the taxes required to fund it, which were raised by Prince John (because the longer Richard spent abroad in war, the longer Prince John remained in charge). Richard completely failed in his quest to either take over the Middle East, or Egypt, or find the Holy Grail. Why did he give up? Injury? No, he got scurvy. On his way back to England he was captured and held ransom for two years by the Emperor of Austria.
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What did Richard do when, against all odds, he got back to England alive? Start ruling? Get an heir ready? ready to continue the empire he had built up? No, he poured all his resources into the military and rekindled his war in France, and then died of gangrene at 41 after he was shot by a young man within his own castle walls in Limousin.



** The line "too late to be known as John the First" in TheVillainSucksSong is strange, since he is (so far) the ''only'' King John of England. Presumably it's because at the time, he was not yet officially the king -- [[SpareToTheThrone being the younger brother]] (i.e. born "too late"), he had no right to call himself John the Anythingth.

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** The line "too late to be known as John the First" in TheVillainSucksSong is strange, since he is (so far) the ''only'' King John of England. Presumably it's because at the time, he was not yet officially the king -- - [[SpareToTheThrone being the younger brother]] (i.e. born "too late"), he had no right to call himself John the Anythingth.
25th Mar '18 3:00:30 PM Tightwire
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*** The money for his ransom was raised by a special collection largely overseen by Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard and John's mother, by taxing the church. Prince John's plan involved raising money to persuade the Emperor to continue to hold him prisoner - which ironically
probably would have saved his life.

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*** The money for his ransom was raised by a special collection largely overseen by Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard and John's mother, by taxing the church. Prince John's plan involved raising money to persuade the Emperor to continue to hold him prisoner for a while longer - which ironically
ironically probably would have saved his life.
25th Mar '18 2:59:45 PM Tightwire
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: To be expected considering the Myth/RobinHood genre.
** Lore commonly puts the outlaw as a contemporary of John and Richard rather than (probably) Edward I. However, consider the following:
*** Just to reiterate, though Prince John certainly had aspirations to seize the throne while his brother was away playing soldiers, the taxes weren't for his benefit but mostly to fund the ongoing Crusades.
*** Yes, it was Richard and his failed Crusades which bankrupted England, and he didn't return home victorious; he was captured and then ransomed for what was the equivalent of England's GDP for a year. Richard spent very little time ruling England.
*** The money for his ransom was raised by a special collection largely overseen by Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard and John's mother. Prince John himself was in no hurry to raise the money.
** Richard didn't imprison John or the Sheriff of Nottingham (though the sheriff ''did'' lose his job) when he got back; in fact, John eventually became king, the first after the Norman Conquest (possibly) to speak English fluently.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: To be expected considering the Myth/RobinHood genre. \n** Lore commonly puts the outlaw as a contemporary of John and Richard rather than (probably) (more likely) Edward I. However, consider the following:
*** Just to reiterate, though Prince John certainly had aspirations to seize the throne while his brother was away playing soldiers, the taxes weren't for his benefit but mostly to fund the ongoing Crusades.
*** Yes, it was Richard and his failed Crusades which bankrupted England, and he didn't return home victorious; he was captured and then ransomed for what was the equivalent of England's GDP for a year. Richard spent very little time ruling England.
*** The money for his ransom was raised by a special collection largely overseen by Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard and John's mother. Prince John himself was in no hurry to raise the money.
** Richard didn't imprison John or the Sheriff of Nottingham (though the sheriff ''did'' lose his job) when he got back; in fact, John eventually became king, the first after the Norman Conquest (possibly) to speak English fluently.
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** Prince John certainly had aspirations to seize the throne while his brother was away, but the taxes weren't for his benefit but mostly to fund the ongoing Crusades and then later as Richard's ransom.
*** The money for his ransom was raised by a special collection largely overseen by Eleanor of Aquitaine, Richard and John's mother, by taxing the church. Prince John's plan involved raising money to persuade the Emperor to continue to hold him prisoner - which ironically
probably would have saved his life.
** By most accounts, King Richard was a forgiving, generous and chivalrous man, and a competent military leader, but he was a pretty lousy king and boy did he love war. Yes, it was King Richard and his multiple Crusades which bankrupted England. First he started the Crusades in a holy war - which the Church thoroughly supported. However they didn't support the taxes required to fund it, which were raised by Prince John (because the longer Richard spent abroad in war, the longer Prince John remained in charge). Richard completely failed in his quest to either take over the Middle East, or Egypt, or find the Holy Grail. Why did he give up? Injury? No, he got scurvy. On his way back to England he was captured and held ransom for two years by the Emperor of Austria.
*** What did Richard do when, against all odds, he got back to England alive? Start ruling? Get an heir ready? No, he poured all his resources into the military and rekindled his war in France, and then died of gangrene at 41 after he was shot by a young man within his own castle walls in Limousin.
** King Richard didn't imprison John or the Sheriff of Nottingham (though the sheriff ''did'' lose his job) when he got back. He completely forgave him, and then named him as his heir, because he never sired any legitimate children. John was not accepted as heir by Richard's French territories, who much preferred Richard's nephew Arthur of Brittany (who admittedly had a better claim to the throne, even being older than John). This lack of direct heirs was the first step in the dissolution of the Angevin Empire.
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