History Disney / Pocahontas

14th Oct '17 10:13:45 AM HulkingChevon
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* RidingIntoTheSunset: The last scene has them sailing off into the sunset.

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* RidingIntoTheSunset: The last scene has them sailing off into John being taken back to England on the sunset.ship with Pocahontas looking on from a clifftop.
11th Oct '17 3:32:50 PM BoyNinja
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* AsideGlance: Two woodland critters give each other a bored one after Grandmother Willow makes an IncrediblyLamePun.
22nd Sep '17 1:11:57 PM gjjones
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'''Powatan:''' Daughter, stay back!!\\
'''Pocahontas:''' I won't! I love him, Father.

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'''Powatan:''' Daughter, stay stand back!!\\
'''Pocahontas:''' I won't! ''won't''! I love him, Father.
16th Sep '17 12:28:40 PM AlluringImplausibility
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** John Smith becomes a heroic explorer and all-round good guy - though she is shown as ignorant and in need of learning AnAesop or two.

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** John Smith becomes a heroic explorer and all-round good guy - though she he is shown as ignorant and in need of learning AnAesop or two.
19th Aug '17 9:40:30 PM SpocktorWho
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* TheDogBitesBack: After spending the whole movie being a ButtMonkey and bullied by Ratcliffe, [[sppiler:Thomas refuses to open fire, and after Ratcliffe shoots John, Thomas orders the others to chain Ratcliffe up and gag him.]]

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* TheDogBitesBack: After spending the whole movie being a ButtMonkey and bullied by Ratcliffe, [[sppiler:Thomas [[spoiler:Thomas refuses to open fire, and after Ratcliffe shoots John, Thomas orders the others to chain Ratcliffe up and gag him.]]
16th Aug '17 10:08:29 AM fearlessnikki
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* AgeLift: In real life, the titular character was about 10 years old at the time of the story.

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* AgeLift: In real life, Pocahontas was significantly younger - somewhere between ten and twelve when she first met John Smith. Her age is not stated in the titular character was about 10 years old at film but she is clearly a young woman. The filmmakers knowingly aged her up in order to make the time of the story.story work.



* ArcWords: "Listen with your heart".



* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The filmmakers did do the research...[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhTF1FD3SA they just ignored a lot of it]].
** As the filmmakers admitted, they were purposefully adapting the ''legend'' of Pocahontas, and strictly ''ignoring'' the historical accuracy. They even admitted to knowingly "aging up" Pocahontas.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Pretty much done intentionally. The filmmakers did do the research...[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhTF1FD3SA they just ignored a lot of it]].
** As the filmmakers admitted,
said they were purposefully more interested in adapting the ''legend'' legend of Pocahontas, and strictly ''ignoring'' the historical accuracy. They even admitted to Pocahontas than being historically accurate. Including knowingly "aging up" Pocahontas.making her older.



* BigEater: Meeko.
* BigGood: Grandmother Willow.

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* BigEater: Meeko.
Meeko, who gobbles on food in most scenes he's in. [[BerserkButton Much to Percy's annoyance]].
* BigGood: Grandmother Willow.Willow is the wise spirit that Pocahontas goes to for guidance.



* BittersweetEnding: The lovers don't get to stay together, but they and their people are better for the experience.

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* BittersweetEnding: The [[spoiler: John takes a bullet meant for Chief Powhatan, and must sail back to England for medicine. Pocahontas realises she's needed with people, so the lovers don't get to stay together, but they can't be together. However Ratcliffe is removed from power, and their people things between the settlers and natives are slightly better for the experience.now]].



* BreakTheCutie: Thomas.

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* BreakTheCutie: Thomas.Thomas is an innocent boy at the start of the film, but is exposed to the realities of war pretty early on [[spoiler: and even marks the first kill of the conflict]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone much to his horror]]. However this also results in CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler: as he challenges Ratcliffe at the end]].



* BookEnds: Disney goes back to its roots here, opting for more appropriate parchment instead of a storybook.

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* BookEnds: Disney goes back to its roots here, opting for more appropriate parchment instead of a storybook. The first shot of the film is a parchment drawing of London harbour. The final shot is off a cliff in Virginia.



* CallingTheOldManOut: Pocahontas does this [[spoiler: while her people are ready to fight the English]].



* CatchPhrase: "Listen with your heart."



* DisneyAcidSequence: "Colors of the Wind".

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* DisneyAcidSequence: "Colors of the Wind".Wind" goes into surreal images to show Pocahontas telling John about the wonders of her country.



* TheElevenOClockNumber: "Savages".

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* TheElevenOClockNumber: "Savages"."Savages" is the final song of the film, happening right before the Powhatans and the English go to war.



* EvilBrit: Ratcliffe, obviously.

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* EvilBrit: Ratcliffe, obviously. But averted with the rest of the settlers, who are shown in greyer light.



* FantasyAmericana

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* FantasyAmericanaFantasyAmericana: Although this movie leans more towards MagicRealism, this trope is still present. A willow tree contains a wise spirit who gives guidance, and Pocahontas has distinctive shamanic powers.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Before the opening title even comes on, we see a rat boarding the ship at the same time as Ratcliffe, just in case you couldn't already tell he was evil by [[ObviouslyEvil the way he dressed and acted.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: {{Foreshadowing}}:
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Before the opening title even comes on, we see a rat boarding the ship at the same time as Ratcliffe, just in case you couldn't already tell he was evil by [[ObviouslyEvil the way he dressed and acted.]]



* FriendToAllLivingThings: Pocahontas.

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** As Kekata is treating Namantek's gunshot wound, he says "this wound is strange to me". This foreshadows that [[spoiler: John Smith's only hope to survive his own shot wound is to sail back to England]].
* FriendToAllLivingThings: Pocahontas.Pocahontas has two animal sidekicks and loves all animals. This is exploited by Ratcliffe in the second movie, to the former's detriment.



* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: John Smith.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: HistoricalHeroUpgrade:
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John Smith.Smith becomes a heroic explorer and all-round good guy - though she is shown as ignorant and in need of learning AnAesop or two.



* IndianMaiden

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* IndianMaidenIndianMaiden: Pocahontas of course, representing the calming force behind her father. Although she herself is the central character, rather than her father.



* IWantSong: "Just Around the Riverbend" for Pocahontas; "Mine, Mine, Mine" combines this with a VillainSong for Ratcliffe, serving as a counterpoint to John Smith's purer intentions.
** Just to make things odd, Ratcliffe seems to be saying he'll take everything they dig up for himself, but the men of the company find the song inspiring, since they seem to understand 'mine!' as a command.

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* IWantSong: IWantSong:
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"Just Around the Riverbend" for Pocahontas; Pocahontas. She doesn't seem to know ''what'' she wants, except the feeling of not knowing what's coming; something she won't have if she marries Kocoum.
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"Mine, Mine, Mine" combines this with a VillainSong for Ratcliffe, serving as a counterpoint to John Smith's purer intentions.
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intentions. Just to make things odd, Ratcliffe seems to be saying he'll take everything they dig up for himself, but the men of the company find the song inspiring, since they seem to understand 'mine!' as a command.



* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Ben.

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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Ben.Ben is a bit of a {{Jerkass}} and usually busts everyone's chops, but he's one of the first to agree to help John when they think he's in danger. [[spoiler: He's also quick to stand up to Ratcliffe at the end]].



* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Kocoum.]]

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* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Kocoum.[[spoiler:Kocoum marks the first time a human main character is killed off in a Disney film.]]



** John Smith also qualifies. After [[HeroicSacrifice taking a bullet]] for Chief Powhatan, he survives a several-month-long voyage back to England before receiving proper medical care.
*** And then he survives 17th-century [[WorstAid European medical care]].

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** John Smith also qualifies. After [[HeroicSacrifice taking a bullet]] for Chief Powhatan, he survives a several-month-long voyage back to England before receiving proper medical care.
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care. And then he survives 17th-century [[WorstAid European medical care]].care]]. Something which actually ''did'' happen in real life.



* NaiveNewcomer: Thomas.
** By a very loose interpretation of this trope, arguably the rest of the English colonists qualify as well. They were greatly misinformed or uninformed about the realities of the New World.

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* NaiveNewcomer: Thomas.
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Thomas, who appears to be the youngest man in the group. By a very loose interpretation of this trope, arguably the rest of the English colonists qualify as well. They were greatly misinformed or uninformed about the realities of the New World.



* NubileSavage: Quite.
* OffModel: In the scene where Pocahontas and John Smith kiss and Meeko stops Flit from interfering, Flit's wings are missing.

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* NubileSavage: Quite.
Pocahontas looks like a supermodel, despite doing all sorts of athletic things in the environment.
* OffModel: OffModel:
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In the scene where Pocahontas and John Smith kiss and Meeko stops Flit from interfering, Flit's wings are missing.



** There's one point where the back of Pocahontas's hair isn't visible through the gap between her arm and hips.



* OohMeAccentsSlipping: John Smith can't seem seem to decide whether he has a British accent, an American one that won't be around for a few centuries, or even Mel Gibson's Australian accent, a country which would have only ''just'' have been discovered when the film was set.
** Interesting info - linguists suppose that earlier English accents sounded more like modern Americn ones than their own decendants, although this is unproven. Still, John Smith is inconsistent.

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* OohMeAccentsSlipping: John Smith can't seem seem to decide whether he has a British accent, an American one that won't be around for a few centuries, or even Mel Gibson's Australian accent, a country which would have only ''just'' have been discovered when the film was set.
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set. Interesting info - linguists suppose that earlier English accents sounded more like modern Americn ones than their own decendants, although this is unproven. Still, John Smith is inconsistent.



* OscarBait: Disney hoped ''Pocahontas'' would score a Best Picture nomination like ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', hence the (by Disney standards) "serious" tone.

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* OscarBait: Disney hoped ''Pocahontas'' would score a Best Picture nomination like ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', hence the (by Disney standards) "serious" tone. It didn't take and, while the film got two Oscars for its music, Disney never lobbied to get a Best Picture nomination again.



* PosthumousCharacter: Pocahontas's mother.
* ThePowerOfLove: Not the typical magical effect it usually has in Disney movies, but saving both a lover and a people from extermination is not to be sneezed at.
** It could be that the power of love helped Pocahontas and John Smith [[LanguageOfLove overcome the language barrier]] in about five seconds. Supposedly, the pink and purple leaves swirling about were her mom's spirit/symbolic of the power of love. This seems so powerful that it lets Nakoma understand English too.

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* PosthumousCharacter: Pocahontas's mother.
mother. Filmmakers originally wanted to include her - as they were getting sick of Disney Princesses having {{Missing Mom}}s - but their research showed that the real Pocahontas was unlikely to have known her mother. There was a planned scene where the mother's spirit would give her advice - but it was scrapped because ''Disney/TheLionKing'' was using a similar idea.
* ThePowerOfLove: Not the typical magical effect it usually has in Disney movies, but saving both a lover and a people from extermination is not to be sneezed at.
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at. It could be that the power of love helped Pocahontas and John Smith [[LanguageOfLove overcome the language barrier]] in about five seconds. Supposedly, the pink and purple leaves swirling about were her mom's spirit/symbolic of the power of love. This seems so powerful that it lets Nakoma understand English too.



* RapunzelHair
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: If you take away the romantic images accompanying it and look purely at the lyrics, "Colors of the Wind" is this in song.
** Pocahontas also delivers one when saving John Smith from execution.

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* RapunzelHair
RapunzelHair: Pocahontas's long black hair reaches well past her waist. She had about fifty animators working on her, some of whom worked only on animating the hair.
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:
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If you take away the romantic images accompanying it and look purely at the lyrics, "Colors of the Wind" is this in song.
** Pocahontas also delivers one when saving John Smith from execution. It doubles as CallingTheOldManOut.



* SacrificialLion: Kocoum.
* SatelliteCharacter: Despite constantly hovering about the main character, Flit seems to serve absolutely no purpose in the story. Unlike the other two [[NonHumanSidekick animal sidekicks]], he doesn't play a part in the subplot. What little contributions he has, he spends playing the StraightMan to Meeko.

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* SacrificialLion: Kocoum.
[[spoiler: Kocoum is prominent enough as a character that his death marks the GutPunch and start of a war]].
* SatelliteCharacter: SatelliteCharacter:
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Despite constantly hovering about the main character, Flit seems to serve absolutely no purpose in the story. Unlike the other two [[NonHumanSidekick animal sidekicks]], he doesn't play a part in the subplot. What little contributions he has, he spends playing the StraightMan to Meeko.



* SayMyName: Ben does this in the prologue, yelling, "Smith! Smith! Are you crazy?!" when John dives off the ship to save Thomas.

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* SayMyName: SayMyName:
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Ben does this in the prologue, yelling, "Smith! Smith! Are you crazy?!" when John dives off the ship to save Thomas.



* SceneryPorn: Although [[ArtisticLicenseGeography highly inaccurate]].
* SeldomSeenSpecies: Flit.

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* SceneryPorn: Although [[ArtisticLicenseGeography highly inaccurate]].
inaccurate]]. The animation was so detailed that it took about five years to complete.
* SeldomSeenSpecies: Flit.Flit is a hummingbird, which rarely get a look in animation.



* StarCrossedLovers

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* StarCrossedLoversStarCrossedLovers: John is part of an invading crew of settlers, Pocahontas is TheChiefsDaughter. [[spoiler: They're the first Disney couple who don't end up together]]. The story was even created to be ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet'' in 17th Century Virginia.



* WithFriendsLikeThese: Meeko and Percy.
** Flit also seems to be exasperated with Meeko's behavior. How exactly are these two supposed to be friends?

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* WithFriendsLikeThese: Meeko and Percy.
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Percy. Flit also seems to be exasperated with Meeko's behavior. How exactly are these two supposed to be friends?
11th Aug '17 8:37:39 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: Ratcliffe. Violate social ethics? Check. Devastate mother Nature? Check. Crossed the MoralEventHorizon? Even before the movie properly started.

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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: Ratcliffe. Violate social ethics? Check. Devastate mother Nature? Check. Crossed Cross the MoralEventHorizon? Even before the movie properly started.



* CriticalResearchFailure: InUniverse. Governor Ratcliffe seems to be under the impression that gold is as common an element in the New World as dirt, to the point where he doesn't even set his men to digging into rock (where one normally finds gold veins). He literally just starts digging at the landing site and expects to find gold immediately. Ironically, the sailors unwittingly {{lampshade|Hanging}} this in the opening sea shanty:
-->''"For the New World is like heaven\\
And we'll all be rich and free\\
Or so we have been told\\
By the Virginia Company"''



* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to most earlier Disney films, for three reasons. 1) *Savages* is the most brutal and intense song that addresses the themes of othering, xenophobia, and genocide. 2) [[spoiler: The killing of Kocoum is one of Disney's few onscreen human character deaths.]] 2) Near the end of the movie, John Smith sacrifices himself by throwing himself in front of Chief Powhatan and gets wounded in the process, leading to a {{Bittersweet Ending}} instead of the standard Disney happy ending.
* DawnAttack: After Thomas kills Kocoum and the Powhatans capture John Smith, Chief Powhatan and Governor Ratcliffe each announce plans attack their opposition at sunrise.
* DeathOfTheHypotenuse: [[spoiler:Kocoum. Though to be fair, he was killed by Thomas who did it to save John.]]

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* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to most earlier Disney films, for three reasons. 1) *Savages* reasons.
## "Savages"
is the most brutal and intense song that addresses the themes of othering, xenophobia, and genocide. 2) genocide.
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[[spoiler: The killing of Kocoum is one of Disney's few onscreen human character deaths.]] 2) ]]
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Near the end of the movie, John Smith sacrifices himself by throwing himself in front of Chief Powhatan and gets wounded in the process, leading to a {{Bittersweet Ending}} instead of the standard Disney happy ending.
* DawnAttack: After Thomas kills Kocoum and the Powhatans capture John Smith, Chief Powhatan and Governor Ratcliffe each announce plans to attack their opposition at sunrise.
* DeathOfTheHypotenuse: [[spoiler:Kocoum. Though to be fair, he was actually killed by Thomas Thomas, who did it to save John.]]
7th Aug '17 3:06:22 AM axle-k89
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* BigNo: [[spoiler:Pocahontas just as Powhatan is about to kill John in the climax.]]


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* TheDogBitesBack: After spending the whole movie being a ButtMonkey and bullied by Ratcliffe, [[sppiler:Thomas refuses to open fire, and after Ratcliffe shoots John, Thomas orders the others to chain Ratcliffe up and gag him.]]


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* OnlyOneName: Basically every character except John. Every other character is referred to either by only their first name (such as Pocahontas, Thomas, Ben and Lon) or their surname (such as Ratcliffe or Wiggins).


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* SayMyName: Ben does this in the prologue, yelling, "Smith! Smith! Are you crazy?!" when John dives off the ship to save Thomas.
** [[spoiler:Thomas yells John's name after John is shot by Ratcliffe.]]
15th Jun '17 5:04:32 AM Tommoraptor
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Ben.
3rd May '17 10:23:47 AM tyrekecorrea
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-->'''Pocahontas:''' If you kill him, you'll have to go through me first!\\

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-->'''Pocahontas:''' If you kill him, you'll have to go through me first!\\kill me, too!\\
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