History Discworld / Thud

22nd Oct '17 8:45:27 AM nighttrainfm
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Quite early in, during one of the Summoning Dark scenes, the narration mentions footsteps, slow, but the Dark knows they'll catch up. They do.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: {{Foreshadowing}}:
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Quite early in, during one of the Summoning Dark scenes, the narration mentions footsteps, slow, but the Dark knows they'll catch up. They do.



---> '''Pessimal:''' Who watches the watchmen?\\
'''Vimes:''' (''immediately'') Me.\\
'''Pessimal:''' Ah, but who watches you?\\
'''Vimes:''' I do that, too.

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---> '''Pessimal:''' Who --->'''Vimes:''' "Who watches the watchmen?\\
'''Vimes:''' (''immediately'') Me.
watchmen?" Me, Mr Pessimal.\\
'''Pessimal:''' Ah, but who watches you?\\
you, Your Grace?\\
'''Vimes:''' [[TheFettered I do that, too.]]
21st Oct '17 6:50:14 AM Jeduthun
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: The contrast between Hamcrusher and Bashfulsson and those who follow them is obviously based on the contrast between radical and moderate Islamic preachers.
** Although really, it could just as easily apply to extremist versus moderate Christians. Or Jews. Or probably just about any other major religion you'd care to name. It even works for the different varieties of ''atheism'' (gain acceptance vs. wipe out religion).
** The larger context however, with radical preachers trying to take over parallel communities of immigrants in other countries, trying to turn them against the culture of their adopted home by invoking fundamentalist ideas and traditions, as well as those groups insistence that their internal problems are to be handled internally and according to their tradition not general law, is something that is strongly analogous to the struggle between traditionalist/fundamentalist and moderate streams most visible in Islamic immigrant communities, at least in western countries
** Once again, the stigma against female dwarfs admitting they're female reminds one of that against homosexuality. Especially when Carrot implies that the deep-downers (very religious, set-in-their-ways dwarfs) are very hostile towards women who display their femininity..

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything:
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The contrast between Hamcrusher and Bashfulsson and those who follow them is obviously based on the contrast between radical and moderate Islamic preachers.
** Although really, it could just as easily apply to extremist versus moderate Christians. Or Jews. Or probably just about any other major religion you'd care to name. It even works for the different varieties of ''atheism'' (gain acceptance vs. wipe out religion).
** The larger context however,
them, with radical preachers trying to take over parallel communities of immigrants in other countries, immigrants, trying to turn them against the culture of their adopted home by invoking fundamentalist ideas and traditions, as well as those groups groups' insistence that their internal problems are to be handled internally and according to their tradition not general law, is something that is strongly analogous to the struggle between traditionalist/fundamentalist and moderate streams most visible in Islamic immigrant many different religious (and nonreligious) communities, at least in western countries
particularly among immigrant populations.
** Once again, the stigma against female dwarfs admitting they're female reminds one of that against homosexuality. Especially when Carrot implies that the deep-downers (very religious, set-in-their-ways dwarfs) are very hostile towards women who display their femininity..femininity.
20th Oct '17 5:04:31 PM Jeduthun
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* AbsenteeDad: Vimes treats it as ''extremely'' serious business to avoid becoming this trope and never miss reading his son's bedtime story, even going so far as to shut down all the traffic in Ankh-Morpork so he can leg it home in time.


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* DisappearedDad: Vimes treats it as ''extremely'' serious business to avoid becoming this trope and never misses reading his son's bedtime story for any reason, even going so far as to shut down all the traffic in Ankh-Morpork so he can leg it home in time.
20th Oct '17 5:03:00 PM Jeduthun
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* AbsenteeDad: Vimes treats it as ''extremely'' serious business to avoid becoming this trope and never miss reading his son's bedtime story, even going so far as to shut down all the traffic in Ankh-Morpork so he can leg it home in time.
13th Sep '17 1:36:29 PM nighttrainfm
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* AStormIsComing: The book opens with troll-dwarf tensions simmering over, to the point where everyone can feel the threatening atmosphere.
13th Sep '17 1:35:20 PM nighttrainfm
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* EvilIsBigger: Alluded to after Vimes recovers from going full-on berseker. Even though dwarfs are perfectly able to defend themselves, part of the human brain instinctively objects to fighting someone [[WouldntHurtAChild the size of a child.]]
6th Sep '17 3:44:27 PM LadyJafaria
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** Moreover, ''Where's My Cow?'' has been published, albeit as the story of Vimes ''reading'' a book by that title.

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** Moreover, ''Where's My Cow?'' ''Discworld/WheresMyCow?'' has been published, albeit as the story of Vimes ''reading'' a book by that title.
19th Jun '17 7:23:27 PM PaulA
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* CreatingLifeIsUnforeseen: According to one legend, Tak (the Dwarf creator deity) made the First Man and the First Dwarf from a rock. Afterward, he noticed the rock was trying to come life by itself, leading to the creation of the First Troll.
7th May '17 2:45:19 PM Discar
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* GoodIsNotNice: The Summoning Dark is not actually evil; it is in fact a spirit of ''righteous'' vengeance, summoned to kill those who broke one of the most sacred dwarf laws (and are continuing to break it). No one ever expresses the idea that the Dark's victims don't deserve to die. But in the modern world, the rule of law and justice is more important than killing the guilty, so Vimes knows he needs to stop it.
3rd Feb '17 5:56:25 AM GGCrono
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The situation only becomes worse when Hamcrusher, a ''grag'' (a sort of dwarven preacher and lorekeeper, a "deep-down" dwarf fundamentalist) who vehemently speaks out against trolls, is found murdered beside a troll club. Vimes visits the scene, butting heads with Hamcrusher's right-hand man Ardent and a nervous servant named Helmclever, and finding an expansive tunnel system filled with doorways stretching underneath the streets of Ankh-Morpork. While there, he catches his hand on one of the sealed doorways, and it begins to itch...

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The situation only becomes worse when Hamcrusher, a ''grag'' (a sort of dwarven preacher and lorekeeper, a "deep-down" dwarf fundamentalist) who vehemently speaks out against trolls, is found murdered beside a troll club. Vimes visits the scene, butting heads with Hamcrusher's right-hand man dwarf Ardent and a nervous servant named Helmclever, and finding an expansive tunnel system filled with doorways stretching underneath the streets of Ankh-Morpork. While there, he catches his hand on one of the sealed doorways, and it begins to itch...
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