History Discworld / InterestingTimes

9th Sep '17 10:27:30 AM Odacon_Spy
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* AerithAndBob: The noble families of the Agatean Empire: Hong, Sun, Fang, Tang, and [=McSweeney=]. ([[RunningGag Very old-established family]].)

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* AerithAndBob: The noble families of the Agatean Empire: Hong, Sun, Sung, Fang, Tang, and [=McSweeney=]. ([[RunningGag Very old-established family]].)
8th Sep '17 12:16:43 PM GrammarNavi
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** This is likely a ShoutOut to TheMikado:

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** This is likely a ShoutOut to TheMikado:''Theatre/TheMikado'':
15th Jul '17 10:52:51 AM AgProv
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* Imperialchina: mercilessly parodied and taken UpToEleven.
1st Jul '17 7:31:02 PM Bissek
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** Of course, in this story the Empire isn't just testing for civil servants this way, they're also giving similar tests for craftsmen positions, such as selecting gunmakers because of their ability to write poems about iron rather than their ability to work it, resulting in a lot of defective cannons.

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** Of course, in this story the Empire isn't just testing for civil servants this way, they're also giving similar tests for craftsmen positions, such as selecting gunmakers because of their ability to write poems about iron rather than their ability to work it, resulting in a lot of defective cannons. It even extends to laborer positions: The civil service exam that Rincewind walks into is for a job centering around the disposal of manure, and nowhere in the exam is the applicant asked about whether they own a shovel or know what to do with one.
15th Jun '17 5:58:05 PM Anddrix
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** There's also the soothsayer who predicts the enemy will be defeated, but neglects to mention ''whose'' enemy. [[GenreSavvy Then he gets right the hell out of town in case Lord Hong figures it out]]. (A reference to the Delphic Oracle telling King Croesus of Lydia that 'a great empire would fall' after an upcoming battle, but neglecting to specify ''which'' empire - the answer being, of course, the one that Croesus was ruling).

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** There's also the soothsayer who predicts the enemy will be defeated, but neglects to mention ''whose'' enemy. [[GenreSavvy Then he gets right the hell out of town in case Lord Hong figures it out]].out. (A reference to the Delphic Oracle telling King Croesus of Lydia that 'a great empire would fall' after an upcoming battle, but neglecting to specify ''which'' empire - the answer being, of course, the one that Croesus was ruling).



* GenreSavvy:
** It's ''Discworld''. The most notable example of Genre Savvy, though, has got to be Cohen picking Twoflower to be Grand Vizier on the grounds that he ''didn't know how to be a grand vizier''. Anyone who did know would be [[VillainByDefault evil]]. Because it's Discworld.
** Pretty Butterfly not only sees straight through Rincewind the second he arrives, but even through Twoflower's rather inaccurate descriptions of him in his diary she realised that Rincewind was probably a lucky idiot rather than a Great Wizard.



* TrickedIntoEscaping: When Rincewind and the Red Army are imprisoned, they soon find that their cells have been unlocked, the guards have been killed, and weapons have been provided. There's even a map to the Emperor's chambers. Rincewind [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well]] that this is TooGoodToBeTrue, and that the Red Army is being set up.

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* TrickedIntoEscaping: When Rincewind and the Red Army are imprisoned, they soon find that their cells have been unlocked, the guards have been killed, and weapons have been provided. There's even a map to the Emperor's chambers. Rincewind [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well]] well that this is TooGoodToBeTrue, and that the Red Army is being set up.
20th Mar '17 3:19:41 AM nighttrainfm
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* BrickJoke: When Twoflower starts telling Rincewind how Cohen intends to reward him for his help, Rincewind denies it's possible that he'll ever seen such benefits: as soon as his back's turned, his usual bad luck will sneak up behind him and ''bang!'' Sure enough, on the very last page, [[BoomerangComeback something comes up behind him...]].

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* BrickJoke: BrickJoke:
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When Twoflower starts telling Rincewind how Cohen intends to reward him for his help, Rincewind denies it's possible that he'll ever seen such benefits: as soon as his back's turned, his usual bad luck will sneak up behind him and ''bang!'' Sure enough, on the very last page, [[BoomerangComeback something comes up behind him...]].



* OnlyYouCanRepopulateMyRace: At the beginning, Rincewind is stuck on a tropical island and is found by a tribe of lovely Amazons (a regional curiosity for their white skins and blonde hair) who have lost all their men to a highly specific plague and require him to repopulate their tribe. Sadly, Rincewind is magically "rescued" before he can obtain his greatest fantasy... although, because Rincewind is a graduate of Unseen University (making him more or less a CelibateHero) and is currently daydreaming about potatoes due to not having eaten them for ages, he gets... rather confused by the offer. From that incident onwards, Rincewind has basically confused pretty women and/or sex with potatoes.

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* OnlyYouCanRepopulateMyRace: OnlyYouCanRepopulateMyRace:
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At the beginning, Rincewind is stuck on a tropical island and is found by a tribe of lovely Amazons (a regional curiosity for their white skins and blonde hair) who have lost all their men to a highly specific plague and require him to repopulate their tribe. Sadly, Rincewind is magically "rescued" before he can obtain his greatest fantasy... although, because Rincewind is a graduate of Unseen University (making him more or less a CelibateHero) and is currently daydreaming about potatoes due to not having eaten them for ages, he gets... rather confused by the offer. From that incident onwards, Rincewind has basically confused pretty women and/or sex with potatoes.



* RealityIsUnrealistic: Chinese Civil Service exams ''did'' involve writing complex poetic essays about irrelevant subjects. Much like British Civil Service exams focusing on Classical languages, they were looking for the ability to learn something technical and apply it extremely precisely. Both countries ended up having small bureaucracies governing vast stretches of the world with a reasonable level of skill, so they can't have been all that wrong.

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* RealityIsUnrealistic: RealityIsUnrealistic:
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Chinese Civil Service exams ''did'' involve writing complex poetic essays about irrelevant subjects. Much like British Civil Service exams focusing on Classical languages, they were looking for the ability to learn something technical and apply it extremely precisely. Both countries ended up having small bureaucracies governing vast stretches of the world with a reasonable level of skill, so they can't have been all that wrong.



%%* ShroudedInMyth

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%%* ShroudedInMyth* ShroudedInMyth: The ''original'' Red Army.



* SplitHair: The split-a-piece-of-silk variant appears, when a samurai attempts to intimidate Cohen the Barbarian.

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* SplitHair: SplitHair:
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The split-a-piece-of-silk variant appears, when a samurai attempts to intimidate Cohen the Barbarian.



* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: "There are ''not'' 2,300,009 invisible vampire ghosts."

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* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: SuspiciouslySpecificDenial:
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"There are ''not'' 2,300,009 invisible vampire ghosts."



* ThisIsReality: Rincewind tries to convince Twoflower and his family that heroes don't automatically win against greater numbers, and that his own survival thus far has just been coincidence (a ''lot'' of coincidences). It doesn't take.
** Lord Hong believes [[RealityEnsues reality will ensue]] when [[spoiler: the totally untrained Twoflower challenges him to a duel]]. To be fair, there is every indication he would have been absolutely right if something totally unforeseeable hadn't happened at precisely the right moment.

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* ThisIsReality: ThisIsReality:
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Rincewind tries to convince Twoflower and his family that heroes don't automatically win against greater numbers, and that his own survival thus far has just been coincidence (a ''lot'' of coincidences). It doesn't take.
** Lord Hong believes [[RealityEnsues reality will ensue]] when [[spoiler: the totally untrained Twoflower challenges him to a duel]]. duel.]] To be fair, there is every indication he would have been absolutely right if something totally unforeseeable hadn't happened at precisely the right moment.
20th Mar '17 3:15:48 AM nighttrainfm
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-->'''Rincewind''': Grand Viziers are always --

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-->'''Rincewind''': Grand Viziers are always ----\\
20th Mar '17 3:14:40 AM nighttrainfm
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* BerserkButton: It turns out that self-professed cynical coward Rincewind really, really doesn't like the idea of matyrdom for a cause, going on a fairly vitriolic rant about how pointless it is to sacrifice yourself for a cause.

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* BerserkButton: BerserkButton:
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It turns out that self-professed cynical coward Rincewind really, really doesn't like the idea of matyrdom for a cause, going on a fairly vitriolic rant about how pointless it is to sacrifice yourself for a cause.



* EvilChancellor: Lord Hong is the Grand Vizier. This being Discworld, Rincewind and Cohen lampshade the hell out of him.

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* EvilChancellor: EvilChancellor:
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Lord Hong is the Grand Vizier. This being Discworld, Rincewind and Cohen lampshade the hell out of him.



-->'''Cohen''': -- complete and utter bastards. Give 'em a turban with a point in the middle and it just erodes their moral wossname. I cut their heads off soon as I meet 'em, saves trouble later.

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-->'''Cohen''': '''Cohen''': -- complete and utter bastards. Dunno why. Give 'em a turban with a point in the middle and it just erodes their moral wossname. wossname just gets eaten away. I cut their heads off always kill 'em soon as I meet 'em, saves trouble later.'em. Saves time later on.



** Later more successfully defied by [[spoiler:Cohen, when he appoints Twoflower as his Grand Vizier]].

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** Later more successfully defied by [[spoiler:Cohen, when he appoints Twoflower as his Grand Vizier]].Vizier.]]



* ExactWords: Lord Hong promises an informant that he will [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness never write or speak an order for his execution]]. He then folds an origami figure of the man... but doesn't have quite enough paper for a head.

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* ExactWords: ExactWords:
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Lord Hong promises an informant that he will [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness never write or speak an order for his execution]]. He then folds an origami figure of the man... but doesn't have quite enough paper for a head.



* GenreSavvy: It's ''Discworld''. The most notable example of Genre Savvy, though, has got to be Cohen picking Twoflower to be Grand Vizier on the grounds that he ''didn't know how to be a grand vizier''. Anyone who did know would be [[VillainByDefault evil]]. Because it's Discworld.

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* GenreSavvy: GenreSavvy:
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It's ''Discworld''. The most notable example of Genre Savvy, though, has got to be Cohen picking Twoflower to be Grand Vizier on the grounds that he ''didn't know how to be a grand vizier''. Anyone who did know would be [[VillainByDefault evil]]. Because it's Discworld.
13th Feb '17 9:10:56 AM LadyJafaria
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** Even the reason they send Rincewind in the first place is Exact Words, or rather Exact [[RougeAnglesOfSatin Spelling of Words]]. They ask for the Great ''Wizzard'', they're going to get someone who spells "wizard" with two Z's, namely Rincewind. Another suggestion that falls into this before they decide to send Rincewind is that they send the Dean because he's "great" in the sense of [[LargeAndInCharge being big]].
9th Feb '17 5:12:43 AM daveryan3
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* OhCrap: Lord Hong, after a moment of DidntThinkThisThrough, when he realises that he shouldn't have told his own soldiers that the ghosts of the people were rising up to fight the Silver Horde and their vampire ghosts. Those solders are heavily implied to have engaged in a lot of internal repression, creating many of those ghosts in the first place, and promptly desert.
** And he probably wasn't too happy in the few milliseconds between the Barking Dog cannon appearing and it firing at him.
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