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7th Jul '16 3:50:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* RealMenTakeItBlack: Vimes takes his coffee black. He tries to order it "black as a moonless night", but the owner picks apart the metaphor until Vimes finally settles for "a moonless night as black as that coffee."
21st Jun '16 4:25:14 PM Chytus
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** How the collective belief of the Watch eventually ''creates'' an entity to look out for Watchmen is the theme of Lunik's Discworld fanfic [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/244534 Mister Vimes'd Go Spare!]].
5th May '16 11:28:48 AM morenohijazo
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* SpoilerCover: On the Harper-Torch edition, the cover art depicts [[spoiler:the dragon wearing a crown]], which is a surprise plot development occurring late in the book.
29th Apr '16 9:50:56 AM NineTailedCat
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* MillionToOneChance: A [[InvokedTrope hilarious attempt at invocation.]]

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* MillionToOneChance: A [[InvokedTrope hilarious attempt at invocation.]]invocation]], where the GenreSavvy Watch try to make the odds of [[AttackItsWeakPoint shooting a Dragon in its "voolnerables"]] exactly a million to one through various means such as blindfolding the archer, putting soot in his face and making him stand facing the wrong way on one leg while singing the Hedgehog Song -- but end up with some other, non-specified, incredibly low odds instead, which isn't improbable enough and thus predictably fails. Then played straight (and lampshaded by the narration) immediately after when the annoyed dragon retaliates: Their chances of surviving that turns out to be ''exactly'' a million to one.
20th Apr '16 5:13:55 PM LentilSandEater
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** It turns out in the sequel that he is spending most of his pay on women... specifically, charity to the widows and orphans of watchmen killed in the line of duty. [[FromACertainPointOfView Worrying about their welfare might have helped drive him to drink.]]
20th Apr '16 5:12:26 PM LentilSandEater
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* SquareCubeLaw: Lampshaded. Sybil specifically points out that you can't just scale things up and have them work the same way. Justified by the dragon [[AWizardDidIt using magic to support itself]].
** Real dragons are the size of dogs... and so [[RealityEnsues chemically combustible]] that they tend to blow themselves up rather than burn villages down.
* StandardHeroReward: Subverted. All the dragon slaying heroes insist on this for slaying the dragon, but Vetinari makes it clear there is no princess and this is not a kingdom. He does have an aunt, though. And a dog.
** Double Subverted, though, if you [[FridgeBrilliance think hard about]] what ''Vimes'' eventually gets as a result of this book. Namely, the hand of a duchess (if not a princess), and becoming one of the wealthiest men in the city, if not actually owning half of it.
** This trope got double subverted earlier, if you consider what the fellow ([[spoiler:Errol]]) who ''really'' defeated the Ankh-Morpork dragon got out of the deal. [[spoiler: Granted, they didn't bother to take half the kingdom or any treasure with them when they flew away, but he ''did'' get to marry royalty.]]

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* SquareCubeLaw: Lampshaded. Sybil specifically points out that you can't just scale things up and have them work the same way. Justified by the dragon [[AWizardDidIt using magic to support itself]].
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itself]]. Real dragons are the size of dogs... and so [[RealityEnsues chemically combustible]] that they tend to blow themselves up rather than burn villages down.
* StandardHeroReward: Subverted.Defied. All the dragon slaying heroes insist on this for slaying the dragon, but Vetinari makes it clear there is no princess and this is not a kingdom. He does have an aunt, though. And a dog.
** Double Subverted, though, if you [[FridgeBrilliance think hard about]] what ''Vimes'' eventually gets as a result of this book. Namely, the hand of a duchess (if not a princess), and becoming one of the wealthiest men in the city, if not actually owning half of it.
** This trope got double subverted earlier, if you consider what the fellow ([[spoiler:Errol]]) who ''really'' defeated the Ankh-Morpork dragon got out of the deal. [[spoiler: Granted, they didn't bother to take half the kingdom or any treasure with them when they flew away, but he ''did'' get to marry royalty.]]
dog.
20th Apr '16 5:06:02 PM LentilSandEater
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** HarsherInHindsight once you've read ''Discworld/NightWatch'', and realize [[spoiler: Wonse's memory of living in terror of the Cable Street Particulars is probably what the dragon found so horrifying, not just unspecified historical atrocities.]]
20th Apr '16 5:05:22 PM LentilSandEater
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** [[HilariousinHindsight As later books show]], if he was in the right mood (i.e. pissed off) he ''could'' have taken them all on and won.
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20th Apr '16 5:01:52 PM LentilSandEater
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** Then again, Vimes' reaction to this worldview (namely pointing out that, even with such a dark view, Vetinari still chooses to get up in the morning), the loyalty and bravery of the Watch (particularly Carrot) and the scene near the end where [[spoiler:the watch subverts the Patrician's expectations of them by asking for a dartboard instead of ego-boosting honours]] seems to hint that Vetinari's worldview might not actually be correct. And Vetinari's comment as Vimes walks away, "There's a good man", might seem like just a comforting statement, but given Vetinari's tendency to never say things accidentally might mean Vetinari himself doesn't entirely believe his philosophy, or that Vetinari has reconsidered his previous views. Then again, he's probably just answering Vimes' question of why he gets up each morning. (It might even be that he doesn't believe it at all, and was saying that [[ReversePsychology to wind Vimes up]], as he does in later books.)
15th Apr '16 2:55:54 AM Geoduck
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* CoversAlwaysLie: One American paperback edition features passable depictions of Vimes, Carrot, Lady Sybil, the dragon.. and very prominently, a wizard. The only wizard who gets a speaking part in the novel is the unnamed Archchancellor of Unseen University, and he appears in exactly one scene.
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