History Discworld / GuardsGuards

15th Sep '17 10:12:04 PM Scorpio3002
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** In fact, Vimes appears to be unaware that Ankh-Morpork ever even ''had'' a king. Later books would establish that he would know better than most, since his ancestor infamously killed the king, and his family's reputation has suffered ever since.
7th Sep '17 7:16:56 AM nighttrainfm
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** Vimes was originally going to be Carrot's Imshael, but ended up taking a much bigger role.

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** Vimes was originally going to be Carrot's Imshael, Ishmael, but ended up taking a much bigger role.
31st Aug '17 3:35:08 PM nighttrainfm
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* FirstPersonPeripheralNarrator:
** Vimes was originally going to be Carrot's Imshael, but ended up taking a much bigger role.
** In the long run, this is perhaps the only book where we get ''any'' time from Carrot's perspective. Once he outgrows his FishOutOfWater status, half the point of his character is how ''no-one'' knows if his DorkKnight tendencies are sincere or an elaborate joke.



* GiantFlyer: The dragon, a walking (flying) in-universe flagrant violation of the SquareCubeLaw.
** It's flagrant enough that several characters call it out as physically impossible, finally [[AWizardDidIt attributing it to magic]].

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* GiantFlyer: The dragon, a walking (flying) in-universe flagrant violation of the SquareCubeLaw.
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SquareCubeLaw. It's flagrant enough that several characters call it out as physically impossible, finally [[AWizardDidIt attributing it to magic]].



* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: When the dragon examines the memories of one of its new servants, it's appalled.

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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: HumansAreTheRealMonsters:
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When the dragon examines the memories of one of its new servants, it's appalled.



* {{Mooks}}: The dedication makes it clear that this book was intended to subvert the idea. But Terry liked the Watch too much to let them go after one book, and the rest is history.

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* {{Mooks}}: {{Mooks}}:
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The dedication makes it clear that this book was intended to subvert the idea. But Terry liked the Watch too much to let them go after one book, and the rest is history.
25th Aug '17 12:37:19 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* Considering that it's said by [[MagnificentBastard Havelock]] [[AntiNihilist Vetinari]], it may very well be wrong... or at least half-truth.
19th Jun '17 9:11:24 PM PaulA
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* ImperfectRitual: The Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night are trying to summon a dragon, and the cult leader orders the brethren to find magical objects to sacrifice. They come up with really low grade magical junk, like a still-fizzing letter from a bar and an amulet the SnakeOilSalesman swore was magical. It doesn't seem to cause any problems except that they can only summon the dragon for a few seconds at a time before the magic runs out.
19th Jun '17 7:25:07 PM PaulA
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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: After saving a woman, Carrot is invited to stay with her at Mrs. Palms'. "She kept waking me up and asking me if I wanted anything but she didn't have any apples." Dwarfs in general are extremely literal minded.
28th Apr '17 12:26:20 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ConservationOfNinjutsu: the GenreSavvy [[{{Mooks}} Palace Guards]] believe that being asked to take out a single man means certain defeat for them, as he might even [[ChandelierSwing swing from the chandelier]]. Fortunately for them, Vimes isn't feeling heroic. And there's no chandelier.

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* ConservationOfNinjutsu: the GenreSavvy [[{{Mooks}} Palace Guards]] believe that being asked to take out a single man means certain defeat for them, as he might even [[ChandelierSwing swing from the chandelier]]. Fortunately for them, Vimes isn't feeling heroic. And there's no chandelier.



* GenreSavvy:
** The Palace Guards are absolutely terrified of Vimes because he is alone, unarmed, and smiling - the most dangerous kind of enemy to a henchman army. Subverted in that he actually is as little of a threat as such a person should be.
** Also, the members of the Watch believe that a MillionToOneChance will be practially guaranteed to succeed - more likely than a Thousand to One or even Hundred to One Chance - and [[InvokedTrope intentionally manipulate the situation to make it more unlikely]], until it is as close to Million to One as possible. [[spoiler:It still fails--but fortunately, their chances of surviving the failure were ''exactly'' a million to one.]]



* MillionToOneChance: A [[InvokedTrope hilarious attempt at invocation]], where the GenreSavvy Watch try to make the odds of [[AttackItsWeakPoint shooting a Dragon in its "voolnerables"]] exactly a million to one through various means such as blindfolding the archer, putting soot in his face and making him stand facing the wrong way on one leg while singing the Hedgehog Song -- but end up with some other, non-specified, incredibly low odds instead, which isn't improbable enough and thus predictably fails. Then played straight (and lampshaded by the narration) immediately after when the annoyed dragon retaliates: Their chances of surviving that turns out to be ''exactly'' a million to one.

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* MillionToOneChance: A [[InvokedTrope hilarious attempt at invocation]], where the GenreSavvy Watch try to make the odds of [[AttackItsWeakPoint shooting a Dragon in its "voolnerables"]] exactly a million to one through various means such as blindfolding the archer, putting soot in his face and making him stand facing the wrong way on one leg while singing the Hedgehog Song -- but end up with some other, non-specified, incredibly low odds instead, which isn't improbable enough and thus predictably fails. Then played straight (and lampshaded by the narration) immediately after when the annoyed dragon retaliates: Their chances of surviving that turns out to be ''exactly'' a million to one.



* ThrownFromTheZeppelin: Spoofed. The civic leaders all plan to just murmer a quiet agreement with whomever is stupid enough to loudly protest against having to give the Dragon a monthly VirginSacrifice. But since all of them are GenreSavvy enough not to talk back to the Dragon, [[WhoWillBellTheCat no one ends up protesting]]. And they all curse the others for their cowardice.

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* ThrownFromTheZeppelin: Spoofed. The civic leaders all plan to just murmer a quiet agreement with whomever is stupid enough to loudly protest against having to give the Dragon a monthly VirginSacrifice. But since all of them are GenreSavvy savvy enough not to talk back to the Dragon, [[WhoWillBellTheCat no one ends up protesting]]. And they all curse the others for their cowardice.
17th Apr '17 11:00:23 PM Gregzilla
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** A relatively rare example from a Watch novel where the monster is ''not'' [[{{Werewolf}} Angua]]. The first two times the dragon appeared, it was in the Shades. People tried to mug it the first time and the second time it accidentally saved the Watch from getting mugged, scaring the crap out of them in the process.

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** A relatively rare example from a Watch novel where the monster is ''not'' [[{{Werewolf}} [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Angua]]. The first two times the dragon appeared, it was in the Shades. People tried to mug it the first time and the second time it accidentally saved the Watch from getting mugged, scaring the crap out of them in the process.
17th Apr '17 11:00:11 PM Gregzilla
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--> Vimes stared at the door until his eyebrows ached. And then, just as random patterns in cloud suddenly, without changing in any way, become a horse's head or a sailing ship, he saw what he'd been looking at all along. A sense of terrifying admiration overcame him. He wondered what it was like in the Patrician's mind. All cold and shiny, he thought, all blued steel and icicles and little wheels clicking along like a huge clock. The kind of mind that would [[XanatosGambit carefully consider its own downfall and turn it to advantage.]]
--> It was a perfectly normal dungeon door, but it all depended on your sense of perspective.
--> In this dungeon the Patrician could hold off the world.
--> All that was on the outside was the lock.
--> '''All the bolts and bars were on the inside.'''

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--> Vimes stared at the door until his eyebrows ached. And then, just as random patterns in cloud suddenly, without changing in any way, become a horse's head or a sailing ship, he saw what he'd been looking at all along. A sense of terrifying admiration overcame him. He wondered what it was like in the Patrician's mind. All cold and shiny, he thought, all blued steel and icicles and little wheels clicking along like a huge clock. The kind of mind that would [[XanatosGambit carefully consider its own downfall and turn it to advantage.]]
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It was a perfectly normal dungeon door, but it all depended on your sense of perspective.
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perspective.\\
In this dungeon the Patrician could hold off the world.
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world.\\
All that was on the outside was the lock.
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lock.\\
'''All the bolts and bars were on the inside.'''
1st Mar '17 10:21:26 AM FoolsEditAccount
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** At the beginning of the book, the Supreme Grand Master explains that the dragon-summoning ritual requires magical items as fuel, and instructs the Brethren to bring him some. They return with obviously useless knicknacks: little pieces of wood with holes in them. At the very end of the book, the Supreme Grand Master tries to summon another dragon after the first is defeated, hysterically waving around a bag of magic items and insisting he has the power... but when the heroes open the bag, they see it's just full of the same knicknacks. Since they don't know the history behind it, they're just completely baffled.
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