History Discworld / CarpeJugulum

22nd Jun '17 1:05:45 AM PaulA
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* MuggingTheMonster:
** A highwayman makes the mistake of holding up the Magpyrs' coach, and winds up as lunch.
** Invoked at Mightily Oats when he tries to rally the people of Lancre to go rescue Granny Weatherwax. He tells them she's out there with monsters. Bestiality Carter asks "What do we care what happens to monsters?"
19th Jun '17 8:22:20 PM PaulA
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* ExpositionOfImmortality: The Old Count recognises the names of several of the peasants in the mob at his castle and reminisces about his encounters with their grandparents.
18th Jun '17 8:07:53 PM PaulA
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* CannotCrossRunningWater: Subverted by the de Magpyrs at the start, and lampshaded by the Count when he lectures his kids about it.
1st May '17 10:08:58 AM Exxolon
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->''Mightily Oats has not picked a good time to be a priest. He thought he'd come to the mountain kingdom of Lancre for a simple little religious ceremony. Now he's caught up in a war between vampires and witches, and he's not sure there is a right side. There're the witches young Agnes, who is really in two minds about everything, Magrat, who is trying to combine witchcraft and nappies, Nanny Ogg, who is far too knowing... and Granny Weatherwax, who is big trouble. And the vampires are intelligent not easily got rid of with a garlic enema or by going to the window, grasping the curtains and saying, "I don't know about you, but isn't it a bit stuffy in here?" They've got style and fancy waistcoats. They're out of the casket and want a bite of the future. Mightily Oats knows he has a prayer, but wishes he had an axe.''
27th Apr '17 2:04:34 PM kefkakrazy
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* BalancingDeathsBooks: When she's called to see to the young Mrs. Slack, a heavily-pregnant young woman who had been kicked by a cow. Death himself seems unsure of who will be going with him when he shows up, and it's hinted that the choice of whether mother or child lived fell to Granny.
20th Mar '17 11:46:11 PM PaulA
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The Feegle clan from this book never shows up again, even in later stories set in Lancre featuring Feegles. A few individuals joined the Chalk clan when that clan's Kelda died, but that's it.
20th Mar '17 11:31:26 PM PaulA
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** Oats is something of an update to ''Discworld/SmallGods''. He laments that his faith's new direction, spending their time arguing points of dogma and comparative religion studies, lacks the passion they had in earlier times. This proves Brutha's reforms worked well; when they ''had'' that fire, they were a terrible force that focused more on the monolithic church than on Om, resulting in only a single true believer, the last in an enormous institution believing only in itself that committed horrifying deeds and declared bloody holy wars in its own name, and had every neighbouring country setting aside their differences to attack Omnia exclusively. Now the church is less militant, it has spread peacefully across the continent. Ultimately Oats ends up striking a balance between pre-Brutha Omnianism and post-Brutha Omnianism that eliminates the worst aspects of both. [[Discworld/UnseenAcademicals It seems to be working pretty well]].
** Oats is later referenced in ''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' as having become an inspiration to other preachers of the church of Om who have taken up his teachings and in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' as having cut the shackles on Mr Nutt with his [[ICallHerVera double headed battle axe Forgiveness]] while spreading the good word in Uberwald

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** Oats is something of an update to ''Discworld/SmallGods''. He laments that his faith's new direction, spending their time arguing points of dogma and comparative religion studies, lacks the passion they had in earlier times. This proves Brutha's reforms worked well; when they ''had'' that fire, they were a terrible force that focused more on the monolithic church than on Om, resulting in only a single true believer, the last in an enormous institution believing only in itself that committed horrifying deeds and declared bloody holy wars in its own name, and had every neighbouring country setting aside their differences to attack Omnia exclusively. Now the church is less militant, it has spread peacefully across the continent. Ultimately Oats ends up striking a balance between pre-Brutha Omnianism and post-Brutha Omnianism that eliminates the worst aspects of both. [[Discworld/UnseenAcademicals It seems to be working pretty well]].\n** Oats is later referenced in ''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' as having become an inspiration to other preachers of the church of Om who have taken up his teachings and in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' as having cut the shackles on Mr Nutt with his [[ICallHerVera double headed battle axe Forgiveness]] while spreading the good word in Uberwald
16th Feb '17 7:16:50 AM PaulA
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* EitherWorldDominationOrSomethingAboutBananas: Mightily Oats notes that although the Old Book of Om is very clear about what should be done to witches, there's a school of thought which believes the passage in question has been mistranslated and was originally referring to cockroaches, and the bit about them bringing lavicious dreams might just as easily be read in context as being about boiled lobsters.
9th Feb '17 3:14:16 AM NanoMoose
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** Importantly, the whole book Oats had tried to gain faith by reading random passages from the Book of Om. When he meets Granny she stresses that he has the ability to make his own faith...and in the end, he does.

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** Importantly, the whole book Oats had tried to gain faith by reading random passages from the Book of Om. When he meets Granny she stresses that he has the ability to make his own faith... and in the end, he does.



* BurnTheWitch: When Oats mentions the records of Omnians doing this, Granny suggests that the victims were more likely ordinary old women who looked like easy targets. In her opinion, witches are more likely to be the ones ''doing'' the burning ("We ain't all nice.")

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* BurnTheWitch: When Oats mentions the records of Omnians doing this, Granny suggests that the victims were more likely ordinary old women who looked like easy targets. In her opinion, witches are more likely to be the ones ''doing'' the burning burning. ("We ain't all nice.")



* DeconReconSwitch: Of the ClassicalMovieVampire, especially Dracula himself. The Magpyrs are the deconstruction, having overcome their various weaknesses and dropped the VillainBall so that they can be effective monsters and rule over humanity. Granny presents the reconstruction, and this is demonstrated by the Old Count, who is a good sport about the traditional cycle - just enough of a threat that his victims get to have a fun adventure without anybody getting seriously hurt, including him.

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* DeconReconSwitch: Of the ClassicalMovieVampire, especially Dracula himself. The Magpyrs are the deconstruction, having overcome their various weaknesses and dropped the VillainBall so that they can be effective monsters and rule over humanity. Granny presents the reconstruction, and this is demonstrated by the Old Count, who is a good sport about the traditional cycle - -- just enough of a threat that his victims get to have a fun adventure without anybody getting seriously hurt, including him.



** Once Count von Magpyr takes baby Esmerelda hostage, Igor decides that enough's enough and revives the old Count. ([[KickTheDog Killing his dog]] probably factored into it, too.)
*** Though this is more a case of Igor's personal GodzillaThreshold being crossed. A more classic example is him being confronted with the prospect of the Magpyrs using the mist trick to get through the vault door that Magrat and baby Esmerelda are behind, simply because it's so unsporting.

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** Once Count von Magpyr takes baby Esmerelda hostage, Igor decides that enough's enough and revives the old Count. ([[KickTheDog Killing his dog]] probably factored into it, too.)
*** Though this is
Count, that that may more be a case of Igor's personal GodzillaThreshold being crossed. ([[KickTheDog Killing his dog]] probably factored into it as well.) A more classic example is him being confronted with the prospect of the Magpyrs using the mist trick to get through the vault door that Magrat and baby Esmerelda are behind, simply because it's so unsporting.



* FightingFromTheInside: King Verence is shown noticeably attempting to resist the vampires' mind control.

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* FightingFromTheInside: King Verence is shown noticeably attempting to resist the vampires' mind control. [[spoiler:Agnes also shrugs off being turned by Vlad, though it helped that she was more "Weatherwaxed" than "vampired".]]



** The vampyres try to portray themselves this way, but completely fail due to their IndustrializedEvil being worse than popping up every few decades to terrorize the populace.
** The Old Count, due to his FairPlayVillain status, ends up as this. Yes, he's a monster who feeds on the living, but he never pretended to be anything else, he's a FriendlyEnemy who's free with the VillainRespect, nobody ever got ''too'' seriously hurt, and fighting him is good sport for the local lads and the occasional lass every generation or so.

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** The vampyres try to portray themselves this way, but completely fail due to their IndustrializedEvil being worse than popping up every few decades to terrorize the populace.
populace and get put down.
** The Old Count, due to his FairPlayVillain status, ends up as this. Yes, he's a monster who feeds on the living, but he never pretended to be anything else, he's a FriendlyEnemy who's free with the VillainRespect, nobody ever got ''too'' seriously hurt, and fighting him is good sport for the local lads and the occasional lass (if adventurous and over the age of nineteen) every generation or so.



** With a little unconscious help from Granny, [[spoiler:Agnes also avoids being turned, though Vlad tried]].



--> '''Count''': "An axe isn't even a holy symbol!" \\
'''Oats''': "Oh... Then let's make it so."

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--> '''Count''': "An An axe isn't even a holy symbol!" \\
symbol!\\
'''Oats''': "Oh...Oh. Then let's make it so."



* SoulJar: The heart in a hidden jar variation is mentioned to be used by magicians in Howondaland so they can't be killed.

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* SoulJar: The heart in a hidden jar heart-in-a-hidden-jar variation is mentioned to be used by magicians in Howondaland so they can't be killed.



* TookALevelInBadass: With a little coaching from Granny, Mightily Oats goes from a wishy-washy priest wracked with doubt and inner turmoil to [[spoiler:chopping off the head of the evil Count Magpyr with a single axe blow.]]

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* TookALevelInBadass: With a little coaching from Granny, Mightily Oats goes from a wishy-washy priest wracked with doubt and inner turmoil to [[spoiler:chopping off the head of the evil Count Magpyr with a single axe blow.]]blow]].



---> '''Nanny:''' "It's Granny's thoughts that are shaping this place. But she wouldn't raise a hand to a child. Couldn't do it. Hasn't got it in her."

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---> '''Nanny:''' "It's It's Granny's thoughts that are shaping this place. But she wouldn't raise a hand to a child. Couldn't do it. Hasn't got it in her."
9th Feb '17 1:12:41 AM NanoMoose
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* ParanoiaFuel: For the Magpyrs, Granny's Borrowing trick goes from mildly amusing delaying tactic to this once [[spoiler: they start succumbing to her attack from within]] and they start turning on each other, arguing about where she might be.

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* ParanoiaFuel: ParanoiaGambit: For the Magpyrs, Granny's Borrowing trick goes from mildly amusing delaying tactic to this alarming once [[spoiler: they start succumbing to her attack from within]] and they start turning on each other, arguing about where she might be.
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