History Discontinuity / LiveActionTV

16th Feb '18 6:53:19 AM Piterpicher
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*** ''[[Series/PowerRangersDinoThunder Dino Thunder]]'' (final season before Bruce Kalish took over, bringing with him [[DorkAge a slew of mediocre, if not poor seasons with poor characterization.]]) Alternatively the Kalish series are ignored but the much praised PowerRangersRPM that followed the Kalish era is kept in.

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*** ''[[Series/PowerRangersDinoThunder Dino Thunder]]'' (final season before Bruce Kalish took over, bringing with him [[DorkAge a slew of mediocre, if not poor seasons with poor characterization.]]) Alternatively the Kalish series are ignored but the much praised PowerRangersRPM Series/PowerRangersRPM that followed the Kalish era is kept in.
2nd Feb '18 4:19:28 PM nombretomado
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** In a related instance, after [[spoiler:Angel was revealed to be Twilight,]] many fans concluded that any of IDW's Angel comics after ''After The Fall'' (which was outlined, but not written, by Whedon) were non-canon. IDW says it considers them canon cause they are approved by MutantEnemy and Fox, despite being inconsistent even blatantly contradictory with the Buffy series.

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** In a related instance, after [[spoiler:Angel was revealed to be Twilight,]] many fans concluded that any of IDW's Angel comics after ''After The Fall'' (which was outlined, but not written, by Whedon) were non-canon. IDW says it considers them canon cause they are approved by MutantEnemy Creator/MutantEnemy and Fox, despite being inconsistent even blatantly contradictory with the Buffy series.
23rd Jan '18 6:40:12 PM DoctorJoeCool
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**When said episode actually did air, some fans refused to accept the episode as canon, feeling [[spoiler:the First Doctor]] was acting out of character throughout the episode.
1st Jan '18 3:06:01 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/{{Sliders}}'': Some fans ignore everything after season two because there was a new head writer in Season 3, and he dumbed things (including Quinn Mallory) down. Some ignore the [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci Fi Channel]] episodes: the last {{FOX}} episode does have the feel of a reasonable ending (two of the party get home, and those still sliding chose to and are planning to have fun); the first Sci Fi episode, if included, lends ShootTheShaggyDog to the proceedings. Some discontinue starting from the beginning of the Kromag arc, because that is when the focus of the series started to shift from AlternateHistory to horror; without that arc, the writer change at the third season wouldn't be as serious, and Sci Fi wouldn't have been able to shift the mood of the show so drastically.

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* ''Series/{{Sliders}}'': Some fans ignore everything after season two because there was a new head writer in Season 3, and he dumbed things (including Quinn Mallory) down. Some ignore the [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci Fi Channel]] episodes: the last {{FOX}} {{Creator/FOX}} episode does have the feel of a reasonable ending (two of the party get home, and those still sliding chose to and are planning to have fun); the first Sci Fi episode, if included, lends ShootTheShaggyDog to the proceedings. Some discontinue starting from the beginning of the Kromag arc, because that is when the focus of the series started to shift from AlternateHistory to horror; without that arc, the writer change at the third season wouldn't be as serious, and Sci Fi wouldn't have been able to shift the mood of the show so drastically.
26th Dec '17 11:12:56 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Many fans of the rebooted ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' Do Not Talk about "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S02E14BlackMarket}} Black Market]]". (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S03E14TheWomanKing}} The Woman King]]". Ever. [[CanonDiscontinuity The writers seem to agree]].

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* Many fans of the rebooted ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' Do Not Talk about "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S02E14BlackMarket}} Black Market]]". (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S03E14TheWomanKing}} The Woman King]]". Ever. [[CanonDiscontinuity The writers seem to agree]].
26th Dec '17 11:04:02 AM themisterfree
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* Many game-show fans ignore the infamous 2001 revival of ''Series/CardSharks'', because it wasn't good at all-- altered gameplay, NoBudget was clearly a factor, and Pat Bullard's hosting sucked. What's worse is that the format had been changed from the 2000 pilot (which was far superior, from the scattered info on it) to add elements of an ''even worse'' pilot from 1996, and they had taped at least five episodes (with the 2000 pilot format and a different set) that production company Pearson Television found to be "un-airable" (the reasons are unknown, but either the director did a really crappy job, or the contestants won too much money for Pearson's comfort).



* Most fans will tell you that Peter Marshall was the only host ''Series/TheHollywoodSquares'' ever had, and that Creator/PaulLynde was the only occupant of the middle square. You might be able to get away with saying the series continued after Charley Weaver's death in 1974, with George Gobel taking Weaver's seat in the lower left square.

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* Most Some fans will tell you that Peter Marshall was the only host ''Series/TheHollywoodSquares'' ever had, and that Creator/PaulLynde was the only occupant of the middle square. You might be able to get away with saying the series continued after Charley Weaver's death in 1974, with George Gobel taking Weaver's seat in the lower left square.square.
** Some people don't like the 1986-89 John Davidson run for various reasons, including its' self-contained gameplay format, among others; even ''Squares'' creator Creator/MerrillHeatter was quoted as saying "It's a circus".



** Similarly, most Series/LawAndOrderUK fans disavow anything after the episode "Deal", in which series regular Matt Devlin was shot and killed and insist that he recovered from his wounds and that he and Alesha Philips are living happily ever after as well.

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** Similarly, most Series/LawAndOrderUK ''Series/LawAndOrderUK'' fans disavow anything after the episode "Deal", in which series regular Matt Devlin was shot and killed and insist that he recovered from his wounds and that he and Alesha Philips are living happily ever after as well.



** The 1990-91 revival was the first incarnation not hosted by longtime host Monty Hall. Taking his place was Bob Hilton, who was far more experienced as an announcer than a host. Reception to his hosting was so poor that Monty was brought back out of retirement to helm the last few weeks until a replacement was sought, but the show got the axe instead.

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** The 1990-91 revival was the first incarnation not hosted by longtime host Monty Hall. Taking his place was Bob Hilton, who was far more experienced as an announcer than a host. Reception to his hosting (which, admittedly, was still passable) was so poor that Monty was brought back out of retirement to helm the last few weeks until a replacement was sought, but the show got the axe instead.instead.
** ''Big Deal'' was produced for Creator/{{Fox}}, in their first attempt at having a game show on their schedule, so naturally, the focus was changed from dealing, boxes and curtains to ''Series/TruthOrConsequences''-style stunts that were obviously after the LowestCommonDenominator. It also suffered from pre-emptions and halfway broadcasts due to Fox's NFL coverage, so it's no surprise that it expired quickly.


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** Then there's the trainwreck that was ''Series/TheMatchGameHollywoodSquaresHour''-- it was an ''awesome'' idea on paper, but thanks to [[ExecutiveMeddling bungling on the part of Orion and Mark Goodson]], ''MG-HS'' became something everybody wants to forget. The only thing that lasted past its' 39 weeks was its' [[AwesomeMusic excellent]] Edd Kalehoff theme, which would be reused for years after on ''Series/ThePriceIsRight''.
20th Dec '17 3:27:57 AM ClintEastwood
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** Also, don't ask about the TNT TV movies, or worse ''Legend of the Rangers''.

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** Also, don't ask about the TNT TV movies, or worse ''Legend ''[[{{Recap/LegendOfTheRangersS01E00}} The Legend of the Rangers''.Rangers: To Live and Die in Starlight]]''.



* Many fans of the rebooted ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' Do Not Talk about "Black Market." (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[PossessionSue The Woman King]]." Ever. [[CanonDiscontinuity The writers seem to agree]].
** The consensus among some fans is that the show ended with "Revelations," the last episode of the first half of Season 4. This means no [[spoiler:mutiny, no revelation of who the fifth Cylon is, what Starbuck is, what the Head characters are, the backstory of the Final Five and the humanoid Cylons, that the Earth they find is not "our" Earth, the defeat of the Cylons, the resolution of Cally's murder, and the finding of Earth.]] That is a ''lot'' to toss out.

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* Many fans of the rebooted ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' Do Not Talk about "Black Market." "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S02E14BlackMarket}} Black Market]]". (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[PossessionSue "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S03E14TheWomanKing}} The Woman King]]." King]]". Ever. [[CanonDiscontinuity The writers seem to agree]].
** The consensus among some fans is that the show ended with "Revelations," "[[{{Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S04E10Revelations}} Revelations]]", the last episode of the first half of Season 4. This means no [[spoiler:mutiny, no revelation of who the fifth Cylon is, what Starbuck is, what the Head characters are, the backstory of the Final Five and the humanoid Cylons, that the Earth they find is not "our" Earth, the defeat of the Cylons, the resolution of Cally's murder, and the finding of Earth.]] That is a ''lot'' to toss out.



** While not as bad as most of the other examples here, there are a few fans who were disappointed with the final two episodes of the series after the critically acclaimed third-to-last episode "Ozymandias", and some prefer to think of that as the real final episode.
** As far as many fans are concerned, "Fly," where Walt spent the whole episode trying to kill a fly that had gotten into the meth lab, never existed.

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** While not as bad as most of the other examples here, there are a few fans who were disappointed with the final two episodes of the series after the critically acclaimed third-to-last episode "Ozymandias", "[[Recap/BreakingBadS5E14Ozymandias Ozymandias]]", and some prefer to think of that as the real final episode.
** As far as many fans are concerned, "Fly," "[[Recap/BreakingBadS3E10Fly Fly]]", where Walt spent the whole episode trying to kill a fly that had gotten into the meth lab, never existed.



** A segment of fans also prefer to ignore the majority of the events of Season 4. Which featured the [[TheScrappy highly loathed Initiative,]] [[ReplacementScrappy a new boyfriend for Buffy, ill received by fans]] [[InvincibleVillain and the equally loathed Frankenstein Monster, Adam]], even though it means losing out on "Hush", one of the series' best episodes. Even those who don't ignore the events of Season 4 tend to ignore the episode "Beer Bad", which is easy, since it has no bearing on the overarching plot, and is generaly regarded as the worst episode in the series.
** Some viewers dismiss [[SeasonalRot all of seasons 6 and 7]], except for a few outstanding episodes. Debate rages as to whether it's worth junking stuff like the "Smashed"/"Wrecked"/"Gone" trilogy, "Hell's Bells", "Empty Places", "Doublemeat Palace", and the ridiculously polarizing "Lies My Parents Told Me" if it means losing "Tabula Rasa", "Conversations With Dead People", and the legendary "Once More With Feeling". This particular break in continuity is particularly easy to rationalize because the show switched networks between the fifth and sixth seasons [[spoiler:and, in-universe, Buffy died in the season 5 finale.]]

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** A segment of fans also prefer to ignore the majority of the events of Season 4. Which featured the [[TheScrappy highly loathed Initiative,]] [[ReplacementScrappy a new boyfriend for Buffy, ill received by fans]] [[InvincibleVillain and the equally loathed Frankenstein Monster, Adam]], even though it means losing out on "Hush", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush}} Hush]]", one of the series' best episodes. Even those who don't ignore the events of Season 4 tend to ignore the episode "Beer Bad", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E5BeerBad}} Beer Bad]]", which is easy, since it has no bearing on the overarching plot, and is generaly regarded as the worst episode in the series.
** Some viewers dismiss [[SeasonalRot all of seasons 6 and 7]], except for a few outstanding episodes. Debate rages as to whether it's worth junking stuff like the "Smashed"/"Wrecked"/"Gone" "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E9Smashed}} Smashed]]"/"[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E10Wrecked}} Wrecked]]"/"[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E11Gone}} Gone]]" trilogy, "Hell's Bells", "Empty Places", "Doublemeat Palace", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E16HellsBells}} Hell's Bells]]", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E19EmptyPlaces}} Empty Places]]", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E12DoublemeatPalace}} Doublemeat Palace]]", and the ridiculously polarizing "Lies "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E17LiesMyParentsToldMe}} Lies My Parents Told Me" Me]]" if it means losing "Tabula Rasa", "Conversations "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E8TabulaRasa}} Tabula Rasa]]", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E7ConversationsWithDeadPeople}} Conversations With Dead People", People]]", and the legendary "Once More "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E7OnceMoreWithFeeling}} Once More, With Feeling".Feeling]]". This particular break in continuity is particularly easy to rationalize because the show switched networks between the fifth and sixth seasons [[spoiler:and, in-universe, Buffy died in the season 5 finale.]]



* ''Series/{{Community}}'': The most notable case for this is several fans only go up to the first three seasons and ignore the fourth one, due to the dramatic shift in tone resulting from the firing of its creator, Dan Harmon, from his showrunner position. But it's not like this is anything new; even before that several fans went so far as to only acknowledge everything up to the end of season 2 or even 1 and pretend everything after never existed.

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* ''Series/{{Community}}'': The most notable case for this is several fans only go up to the first three seasons and ignore the fourth one, due to the dramatic shift in tone resulting from the firing of its creator, Dan Harmon, Creator/DanHarmon, from his showrunner position. But it's not like this is anything new; even before that several fans went so far as to only acknowledge everything up to the end of season 2 or even 1 and pretend everything after never existed.



** Some fans ignore everything after the classic series (the first 26 seasons). "Recap/DeathComesToTime" is sometimes used to justify this, [[spoiler:as the 7th Doctor dies here]], though nearly everybody thinks of "Death Comes to Time" as [[CanonDiscontinuity non-canon]]. Others are fine with the 1996 MadeForTVMovie, but not the revival series. There are probably a few who insist the movie never happened and Christopher Eccleston is the Eighth Doctor as well, but more common is keeping the whole movie, except that Paul [=McGann=] never uttered the words "I'm half-human." These words are blasphemy, as the Emperor of the Daleks pointed out. And as the Series 4 finale appears to confirm -- there had never been half-human half-Time Lords before. An IDW comic explains away the whole "half-human" thing as being a trick he played on the Master with mind games and a half-working chameleon arch. "The Apocalypse Element" also gives an explanation for why Time Lord technology responds to human eyes. Series 9's finale [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent "Hell Bent"]] broached the possibility that Eight was telling the truth for the first time in almost 20 years, but nothing is confirmed ''or'' denied -- the Twelfth Doctor just asks [[spoiler: Ashildr/Me]] if it actually ''matters'' what he is.

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** Some fans ignore everything after the classic series (the first 26 seasons). "Recap/DeathComesToTime" is sometimes used to justify this, [[spoiler:as the 7th Doctor dies here]], though nearly everybody thinks of "Death Comes to Time" as [[CanonDiscontinuity non-canon]]. Others are fine with the 1996 MadeForTVMovie, with [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]], but not the revival series. There are probably a few who insist the movie never happened and Christopher Eccleston Creator/ChristopherEccleston is the Eighth Doctor as well, but more common is keeping the whole movie, except that Paul [=McGann=] Creator/PaulMcGann never uttered the words "I'm half-human." These words are blasphemy, as the Emperor of the Daleks pointed out. And as the Series 4 finale appears to confirm -- there had never been half-human half-Time Lords before. An IDW comic explains away the whole "half-human" thing as being a trick he played on the Master with mind games and a half-working chameleon arch. "The Apocalypse Element" also gives an explanation for why Time Lord technology responds to human eyes. Series 9's finale [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent "Hell Bent"]] broached the possibility that Eight was telling the truth for the first time in almost 20 years, but nothing is confirmed ''or'' denied -- the Twelfth Doctor just asks [[spoiler: Ashildr/Me]] if it actually ''matters'' what he is.



** Most of fandom does not view the 30th anniversary special "Dimensions In Time" as canon because the plot... well, it would be more accurate to say, "What plot?" An ExpandedUniverse novel also more-or-less wrote the adventure off as being a nightmare of the Doctor's. The fact an article in the magazine "Doctor Who Adventures" about The Brigadier did not mention him meeting the Sixth Doctor (when mentioning the other Doctors he had met) suggests the BBC has [[CanonDiscontinuity struck it from canon]] as well. Fans of ''Series/EastEnders'' do not consider the special canon either due to the fact some characters who have died were depicted being alive in a future version of Albert Square, and the fact ''Series/DoctorWho'' is portrayed as a fictional television program within the show (and vice versa). WordOfGod was desperate, almost pleading, for it to be canon, because, to his thinking, bad canon was better than no canon.
** "In A Fix With Sontarans", an episode produced for children's programme ''Jim'll Fix It'' is not regarded as canon either, possibly due to the fact it was produced for another programme, and at the end of it, a breaking of the fourth wall occurs with Jimmy Savile (the presenter) walking into the TARDIS and declaring Gareth Jenkins (who wrote in saying he wanted to appear in a ''Doctor Who'' episode) "fixed". Many ''Who'' fans also prefer to push it into discontinuity to avoid any discomforting conversation following [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal the 2012 allegations that Savile was a predatory pedophile]].

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** Most of fandom does not view the 30th anniversary special "Dimensions In Time" "[[Recap/DoctorWho30thASDimensionsInTime Dimensions in Time]]" as canon because the plot... well, it would be more accurate to say, "What plot?" An ExpandedUniverse novel also more-or-less wrote the adventure off as being a nightmare of the Doctor's. The fact an article in the magazine "Doctor Who Adventures" about The Brigadier did not mention him meeting the Sixth Doctor (when mentioning the other Doctors he had met) suggests the BBC has [[CanonDiscontinuity struck it from canon]] as well. Fans of ''Series/EastEnders'' do not consider the special canon either due to the fact some characters who have died were depicted being alive in a future version of Albert Square, and the fact ''Series/DoctorWho'' is portrayed as a fictional television program within the show (and vice versa). WordOfGod was desperate, almost pleading, for it to be canon, because, to his thinking, bad canon was better than no canon.
** "In "[[Recap/DoctorWho1985JFIGSAFixWithSontarans A Fix With Sontarans", Sontarans]]", an episode produced for children's programme ''Jim'll Fix It'' is not regarded as canon either, possibly due to the fact it was produced for another programme, and at the end of it, a breaking of the fourth wall occurs with Jimmy Savile Creator/JimmySavile (the presenter) walking into the TARDIS and declaring Gareth Jenkins (who wrote in saying he wanted to appear in a ''Doctor Who'' episode) "fixed". Many ''Who'' fans also prefer to push it into discontinuity to avoid any discomforting conversation following [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal the 2012 allegations that Savile was a predatory pedophile]].



** The Brigadier being turned into a Cybermen is also something some fans wish had never happened, though others who saw it as a touching tribute.
** Then there's the ''Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse''. Some fans will try the impossible task of trying to tie them to a single continuity. Others will reject entire ranges, like the Virgin New Adventures due to TheReveal about the Doctor in "Lungbarrow" which contradicts events from New Who. Others will only discontinue certain specific events, like "The World Shapers" from the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics (controversial for its very unpopular version of the Cybermen's origin, and the sad post-TV fate it gives Jamie). The line taken by ''AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho'' story "Zagreus" and TV Tropes is that they take place in alternate continuities. As "The Night of the Doctor" has the Doctor reference Big Finish, the other ranges have been thought of as non-canon by some fans. There's even the theory that stories that don't fit into continuity take place in the [[WebAnimation/ScreamOfTheShalka Shalkaverse]], which was but now isn't canon. And there's a lot of specific hostility for the notorious novel ''[[Literature/EighthDoctorAdventures War of the Daleks]]'', which makes a mess of the continuity of Post-Genesis Dalek Stories, claiming they were part of an elaborate TrickedOutTime gambit by the Daleks to stop Skaro getting destroyed, which is seen as a key defining moment for the Seventh Doctor.

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** The Brigadier being turned into a Cybermen Cyberman in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E12DeathInHeaven Death in Heaven]]" is also something some fans wish had never happened, though others who saw it as a touching tribute.
** Then there's the ''Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse''. Some fans will try the impossible task of trying to tie them to a single continuity. Others will reject entire ranges, like the Virgin New Adventures due to TheReveal about the Doctor in "Lungbarrow" which contradicts events from New Who. Others will only discontinue certain specific events, like "The World Shapers" from the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics (controversial for its very unpopular version of the Cybermen's origin, and the sad post-TV fate it gives Jamie). The line taken by ''AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho'' story "Zagreus" and TV Tropes is that they take place in alternate continuities. As "The "[[Recap/DoctorWho50thPrequelTheNightOfTheDoctor The Night of the Doctor" Doctor]]" has the Doctor reference Big Finish, the other ranges have been thought of as non-canon by some fans. There's even the theory that stories that don't fit into continuity take place in the [[WebAnimation/ScreamOfTheShalka Shalkaverse]], which was but now isn't canon. And there's a lot of specific hostility for the notorious novel ''[[Literature/EighthDoctorAdventures War of the Daleks]]'', which makes a mess of the continuity of Post-Genesis Dalek Stories, claiming they were part of an elaborate TrickedOutTime gambit by the Daleks to stop Skaro getting destroyed, which is seen as a key defining moment for the Seventh Doctor.



* Many fans choose to completely ignore the third season of the original ''Series/LandOfTheLost'' where Rick Marshall was PutOnABus, Uncle Jack was substituted and the series essentially dropped in quality. The serious, thought provoking sci-fi was replaced by ''[[Series/GilligansIsland Gilligan's Island]]'' antics. Some fans prefer to consider the end of season one to be the real ending, while others pretend that the final season one episode occurred at the end of season two.

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* Many fans choose to completely ignore the third season of the original ''Series/LandOfTheLost'' where Rick Marshall was PutOnABus, Uncle Jack was substituted and the series essentially dropped in quality. The serious, thought provoking sci-fi was replaced by ''[[Series/GilligansIsland Gilligan's Island]]'' ''Series/GilligansIsland'' antics. Some fans prefer to consider the end of season one to be the real ending, while others pretend that the final season one episode occurred at the end of season two.



* Many fans of the E4 series ''Series/{{Misfits}}'' disavow the later seasons. How many seasons of “Misfits” there really were depends on who you ask. Some fans maintain that the series ended with [[spoiler:the [[PutOnABus departure]] of series regular Nathan Young, the death of recurring character Nikki, and the remaining cast members trading in their original powers for new ones]] at the end of series 2, while others will claim that the series ended halfway through series 4, [[spoiler:when Curtis Donovan’s [[HeroicSuicide committing suicide in order to avoid spreading the "zombie infection"]] marked the departure of the last original cast member from the series.]] Either way, most agree that Series 5, the last series of the show, never happened--between [[spoiler:the fact that all of the original Misfits had been either killed off or PutOnTheBus]] and the general deterioration of the plot and the cohesiveness and consistency of the storyline and characters, most would rather not acknowledge that Series 5 ever happened.

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* Many fans of the E4 series ''Series/{{Misfits}}'' disavow the later seasons. How many seasons of “Misfits” there really were depends on who you ask. Some fans maintain that the series ended with [[spoiler:the [[PutOnABus departure]] of series regular Nathan Young, the death of recurring character Nikki, and the remaining cast members trading in their original powers for new ones]] at the end of series 2, while others will claim that the series ended halfway through series 4, [[spoiler:when Curtis Donovan’s [[HeroicSuicide committing suicide in order to avoid spreading the "zombie infection"]] marked the departure of the last original cast member from the series.]] Either way, most agree that Series 5, the last series of the show, never happened--between [[spoiler:the fact that all of the original Misfits had been either killed off or PutOnTheBus]] and the general deterioration of the plot and the cohesiveness and consistency of the storyline and characters, most would rather not acknowledge that Series 5 ever happened.



* ''Series/NewsRadio'': The death of Phil Hartman, whose character Bill [=McNeal=] was an integral part of the show, and the perceived deficiencies of the SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute character played by Jon Lovitz (and the eventual DownerEnding of the 5th season) causes a great number of fans of the show to acknowledge only the first four seasons, ending with the wacky Titanic parody (or, if they prefer a BittersweetEnding, the first episode of the 5th season, which serves as a tribute to Hartman.)

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* ''Series/NewsRadio'': The death of Phil Hartman, Creator/PhilHartman, whose character Bill [=McNeal=] was an integral part of the show, and the perceived deficiencies of the SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute character played by Jon Lovitz Creator/JonLovitz (and the eventual DownerEnding of the 5th season) causes a great number of fans of the show to acknowledge only the first four seasons, ending with the wacky Titanic parody (or, if they prefer a BittersweetEnding, the first episode of the 5th season, which serves as a tribute to Hartman.)



* ''Series/OneFootInTheGrave'': Some fans discount the first season as the show hadn't quite found its feet, but it's far more common to dismiss the final season. Writer David Renwick would probably sympathise with the latter as he only gave in to the BBC's demands for another series on condition that he could TorchTheFranchiseAndRun.
* ''Series/OnlyFoolsAndHorses'': Although the standard of humor has held up quite well, many fans ignore the [[PostScriptSeason 2001-03 Christmas trilogy]] because it completely ruined the perfect ending of the original finale; the 1996 Christmas trilogy, where the Trotters at last achieve their dream of becoming millionaires... apparently only for Del to lose it all on the Far East stock market. (Though they did gain a sizeable portion of it back through Uncle Albert's will in the final, final episode.)

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* ''Series/OneFootInTheGrave'': Some fans discount the first season as the show hadn't quite found its feet, but it's far more common to dismiss the final season. Writer David Renwick would probably sympathise with the latter as he only gave in to the BBC's Creator/TheBBC's demands for another series on condition that he could TorchTheFranchiseAndRun.
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Although the standard of humor has held up quite well, many fans ignore the [[PostScriptSeason 2001-03 Christmas trilogy]] because it completely ruined the perfect ending of the original finale; the 1996 Christmas trilogy, where the Trotters at last achieve their dream of becoming millionaires... apparently only for Del to lose it all on the Far East stock market. (Though they did gain a sizeable portion of it back through Uncle Albert's will in the final, final episode.)



*** It's notable that the reason "Forever Red" is such a taboo subject is not due to a lack of quality (some consider it to be a fan's wet-dream come true), but due to numerous continuity issues raised. How did Jason and T.J. get their powers back? How was the Wild Force Rider able to destroy the previously invincible Serpentera all by itself? Why in the ten levels of Hell would the AscendedFanboy writer throw the episode to the wolves by directly acknowledging the events of his old fanfiction? Does that mean the fanfiction is canon now, despite not being an official product? Quite simply, "Forever Red" raised way so many questions and caused so many debates that it's best just not to think about it.

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*** It's notable that the reason "Forever Red" "[[Recap/PowerRangersWildForceForeverRed Forever Red]]" is such a taboo subject is not due to a lack of quality (some consider it to be a fan's wet-dream come true), but due to numerous continuity issues raised. How did Jason and T.J. get their powers back? How was the Wild Force Rider able to destroy the previously invincible Serpentera all by itself? Why in the ten levels of Hell would the AscendedFanboy writer throw the episode to the wolves by directly acknowledging the events of his old fanfiction? Does that mean the fanfiction is canon now, despite not being an official product? Quite simply, "Forever Red" raised way so many questions and caused so many debates that it's best just not to think about it.



*** Fans ignore everything after the first thirteen episodes of season 2, the later episodes being plagued by [[FakeShemp Fake Shemps]] and StockFootageFailure
*** When Jason, Zack, and Trini's actors left the show (after the first 80 episodes) followed by [[FakeShemp Fake Shemping]] and [[ReplacementScrappy Replacement Scrappies]]

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*** Fans ignore everything after the first thirteen episodes of season 2, the later episodes being plagued by [[FakeShemp Fake Shemps]] fake shemps]] and StockFootageFailure
*** When Jason, Zack, and Trini's actors left the show (after the first 80 episodes) followed by [[FakeShemp Fake Shemping]] fake shemping]] and [[ReplacementScrappy Replacement Scrappies]]



** Some fans refuse to acknowledge anything after the fifth season. They're willing to discard "Gunmen of the Apocalypse," almost universally loved, as the unfortunate cost of abandoning the last three seasons.
** Dwarfers are a variable lot. Some die-hards make "Back To Reality" the line of demarcation. Others moderate a little and give Season Six a break (mostly due to "Gunmen Of The Apocalypse" and the ending to "Out Of Time", which works as a somewhat fitting finale for the whole show, even with the To Be Continued tag). More casual fans and a small portion of die-hards are willing to bear the weaker elements of the post-Grant-Naylor-split episodes for moments like The Rimmer Experience and Cassandra.
** The seventh season, the first one written entirely without the influence of Rob Grant. For instance, ''Ouroboros'' reintroduced [[spoiler:a Kochanski from a parallel universe, who has a baby by Lister, who then convinces her to leave it in a box under the pool table where he was abandoned, as per his {{backstory}}, making Lister into his own father]]. Worst of all, it wasn't ''funny''.
** Almost nobody counts series 8 as canon, either, because the tone of the series was so completely different from series 1-5/6. The first five series balanced comedy with moments of genuine pathos--the crew being lost and alone in deep space, developing as characters, and learning to cope with their lives in the face of their plight. Series 8 dropped all of this: it brought the crew of the ship back in an AssPull moment and became focused on slapstick, thus losing much of its dry humour from the earlier series. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Dwarfer who really liked series 8.
** Barely any die-hard fans (and not that many casual fans) accept ''Back to Earth''.
** An extreme minority even consider that the show finished after season 2. Following which, the makers were given more creative freedom. This lead to a balancing out of the ratio of sci-fi elements against the previous focus on each character's solitude in a vast and seemingly empty universe.
** On the other hand, quite a few fans, while rejecting several previous seasons, are quite willing to accept series 10.

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** Some fans refuse to acknowledge anything after the fifth season.Series V. They're willing to discard "Gunmen of the Apocalypse," almost universally loved, as the unfortunate cost of abandoning the last three seasons.
** Dwarfers are a variable lot. Some die-hards make "Back "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVBackToReality Back To Reality" Reality]]" the line of demarcation. Others moderate a little and give Season Six a break (mostly due to "Gunmen Of The Apocalypse" and the ending to "Out "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIOutOfTime Out Of Time", Time]]", which works as a somewhat fitting finale for the whole show, even with the To Be Continued tag). More casual fans and a small portion of die-hards are willing to bear the weaker elements of the post-Grant-Naylor-split episodes for moments like [[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIITheRimmerExperience The Rimmer Experience Experience]] and Cassandra.
[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIICassandra Cassandra]].
** The seventh season, Series VII, the first one written entirely without the influence of Rob Grant. For instance, ''Ouroboros'' "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIOurobos Ouroboros]]" reintroduced [[spoiler:a Kochanski from a parallel universe, who has a baby by Lister, who then convinces her to leave it in a box under the pool table where he was abandoned, as per his {{backstory}}, making Lister into his own father]]. Worst of all, it wasn't ''funny''.
** Almost nobody counts series 8 Series VIII as canon, either, because the tone of the series was so completely different from series 1-5/6.I-V/VI. The first five series balanced comedy with moments of genuine pathos--the crew being lost and alone in deep space, developing as characters, and learning to cope with their lives in the face of their plight. Series 8 VIII dropped all of this: it brought the crew of the ship back in an AssPull moment and became focused on slapstick, thus losing much of its dry humour from the earlier series. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Dwarfer who really liked series 8.
** Barely any die-hard fans (and not that many casual fans) accept ''Back ''[[Recap/RedDwarfBackToEarth Back to Earth''.
Earth]]''.
** An extreme minority even consider that the show finished after season 2.Series II. Following which, the makers were given more creative freedom. This lead to a balancing out of the ratio of sci-fi elements against the previous focus on each character's solitude in a vast and seemingly empty universe.
** On the other hand, quite a few fans, while rejecting several previous seasons, are quite willing to accept series 10.Series X.



* Some ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' fans discredit the Season 2 episode 'The Jacket', in which Elaine's father appears. This is because the actor playing him was abusive to the cast members and stole a butcher's knife from the set which they took as a threat, especially as he returned to the set late at night a week after the episode had been finished. Thanks to the lack of story arcs in the series, avoiding this episode has no impact on continuity.
** Also some discredit the original version of 'The Handicap Spot', as Frank Costanza is played by John Randolph, not Jerry Stiller. Stiller plays him in the syndicated version of the episode and the rest of the show's run, so watching the syndicated version avoids the continuity error. The DVD features both versions.

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* Some ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' fans discredit the Season 2 episode 'The Jacket', "The Jacket", in which Elaine's father appears. This is because the actor playing him was abusive to the cast members and stole a butcher's knife from the set which they took as a threat, especially as he returned to the set late at night a week after the episode had been finished. Thanks to the lack of story arcs in the series, avoiding this episode has no impact on continuity.
** Also some discredit the original version of 'The "The Handicap Spot', Spot", as Frank Costanza is played by John Randolph, not Jerry Stiller. Stiller plays him in the syndicated version of the episode and the rest of the show's run, so watching the syndicated version avoids the continuity error. The DVD features both versions.



** Many (if not all) fans of ''Voyager'' throw out the episode "Threshold." Even the writer admits it was bad. More important, the ship could have returned to Earth right after the credits with the technology introduced. (Sure, it [[EvolutionaryLevels turns you into a newt]], but you'll get better!)[[note]] Since the Doctor figured out how to reverse the change.[[/note]]
** Most ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' fans, particularly those fond of Trip, dismiss the events of the last episode, a decision made easier by the fact it was presented as a holodeck reconstruction many centuries later. The novel ''The Good That Men Do'' is [[AuthorsSavingThrow devoted to doing just that]] by claiming the events we saw were a revisionist history. It's not just the fans, however. Even ''actors'' (primarily Connor "Trip" Trinneer) from the series prefer to pretend that episode never happened. But then, it ''was'' their own hard work over the last four years that was being insulted by such a terrible finale, so it's no wonder they'd hate it. Even many of those who didn't particularly like Trip consider the two-parter "Terra Prime" (arguably the series' best episodes) the series' true final episodes. (Except ''possibly'' for Archer's speech and the narration that combines Archer's, Kirk's, and Picard's versions of the famous "Space... the final frontier" opening. Maybe. If they are feeling particularly generous.)

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** Many (if not all) fans of ''Voyager'' throw out the episode "Threshold." "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E15Threshold}} Threshold]]". Even the writer admits it was bad. More important, the ship could have returned to Earth right after the credits with the technology introduced. (Sure, it [[EvolutionaryLevels turns you into a newt]], but you'll get better!)[[note]] Since the Doctor figured out how to reverse the change.[[/note]]
** Most ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' fans, particularly those fond of Trip, dismiss the events of [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E22TheseAreTheVoyages the last episode, episode]], a decision made easier by the fact it was presented as a holodeck reconstruction many centuries later. The novel ''The Good That Men Do'' is [[AuthorsSavingThrow devoted to doing just that]] by claiming the events we saw were a revisionist history. It's not just the fans, however. Even ''actors'' (primarily Connor "Trip" Trinneer) from the series prefer to pretend that episode never happened. But then, it ''was'' their own hard work over the last four years that was being insulted by such a terrible finale, so it's no wonder they'd hate it. Even many of those who didn't particularly like Trip consider the two-parter "Terra Prime" (arguably the series' best episodes) the series' true final episodes. (Except ''possibly'' for Archer's speech and the narration that combines Archer's, Kirk's, and Picard's versions of the famous "Space... the final frontier" opening. Maybe. If they are feeling particularly generous.)



** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' fans sometimes throw out Season Seven, as so much of what happens (magic books? Dukat posing as a Bajoran to get in Winn's robes?) is considered [[SeasonalRot significantly lower in quality]] than the previous six seasons. Other fans might be okay with most of season 7, but would like to pretend that pretty much every Ferengi episode in the series besides ''The Magnificent Ferengi'' never happened. ''Let He Who Is Without Sin...'' is another episode that many would rather forget.
** There are those who dismiss anything after the third season of ''TNG'', since Gene Roddenberry's 1989 stroke and 1991 death meant that he was not involved in the creative process for the show anymore, and therefore it wasn't true canon without him. These fans are presumably not aware that Roddenberry was rarely directly involved with his creation, with most of the creative input for the original series being the work of Gene L. Coon or Fred Frieberger, the movies mostly being shepherded by Harve Bennett, and Rick Berman, Michael Piller and other writers mostly handling the creative input on ''TNG'' from pretty much the second season onward.

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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' fans sometimes throw out Season Seven, as so much of what happens (magic books? Dukat posing as a Bajoran to get in Winn's robes?) is considered [[SeasonalRot significantly lower in quality]] than the previous six seasons. Other fans might be okay with most of season 7, but would like to pretend that pretty much every Ferengi episode in the series besides ''The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E10TheMagnificentFerengi}} The Magnificent Ferengi'' Ferengi]]" never happened. ''Let "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS05E07LetHeWhoIsWithoutSin}} Let He Who Is Without Sin...'' ]]" is another episode that many would rather forget.
** There are those who dismiss anything after the third season of ''TNG'', since Gene Roddenberry's Creator/GeneRoddenberry's 1989 stroke and 1991 death meant that he was not involved in the creative process for the show anymore, and therefore it wasn't true canon without him. These fans are presumably not aware that Roddenberry was rarely directly involved with his creation, with most of the creative input for the original series being the work of Gene L. Coon or Fred Frieberger, the movies mostly being shepherded by Harve Bennett, and Rick Berman, Michael Piller and other writers mostly handling the creative input on ''TNG'' from pretty much the second season onward.



** Many fans who otherwise consider all the shows canon consider ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' to be entirely non-canon a la Star Wars fans with the Prequels, due to perceived massive dips in writing quality and deviations from established canon even within the show on several occasions. Interestingly, these same people tend to accept the later made ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' despite its also muddling with the canon and timeline (in [[TimeTravel more ways than one]]), for at least being watchable.
** The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episodes "Lonely among us" (which [[spoiler:showed that you could resurrect people from transporter buffers]]) and "The Chase" (which [[spoiler:explained away all humanoid life in the galaxy as deliberately seeded by an alien race]]) are widely disregarded by fans. The former because it doesn't fit the rest of the show and the latter because it's a silly idea which makes no biological sense.

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** Many fans who otherwise consider all the shows canon consider ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' to be entirely non-canon a la Star Wars ''Franchise/StarWars'' fans with the Prequels, due to perceived massive dips in writing quality and deviations from established canon even within the show on several occasions. Interestingly, these same people tend to accept the later made ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' despite its also muddling with the canon and timeline (in [[TimeTravel more ways than one]]), for at least being watchable.
** The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episodes "Lonely among us" "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS1E6LonelyAmongUs}} Lonely Among Us]]" (which [[spoiler:showed that you could resurrect people from transporter buffers]]) and "The Chase" "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E18TheChase}} The Chase]]" (which [[spoiler:explained away all humanoid life in the galaxy as deliberately seeded by an alien race]]) are widely disregarded by fans. The former because it doesn't fit the rest of the show and the latter because it's a silly idea which makes no biological sense.



** Minor examples include "Season 7, Time For a Wedding", "Route 666" (racist truck), "Man's Best Friend with Benefits" (zoophilia), "Bloodlines" (a PoorlyDisguisedPilot for a spinoff that wasn't picked up by the network due to negative reception) and the spelling of Castiel's nickname (canon: Cass; fanon: Cas).
*** Also a minor example, but some refuse to acknowledge that "Death's Door" in season 7 also happened, not because it was a bad episode (it was in fact one of the best of the season), but because it killed off [[spoiler: Bobby]], who was very popular and also regarded as one of the few voices of reason in Sam and Dean's life.

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** Minor examples include "Season 7, "[[Recap/SupernaturalS07E08SeasonSevenTimeForAWedding Season Seven, Time For for a Wedding", "Route 666" Wedding!]]", "[[Recap/SupernaturalS01E13RouteSixSixSix Route 666]]" (racist truck), "Man's "[[Recap/SupernaturalS08E15MansBestFriendWithBenefits Man's Best Friend with Benefits" With Benefits]]" (zoophilia), "Bloodlines" "[[Recap/SupernaturalS09E20Bloodlines Bloodlines]]" (a PoorlyDisguisedPilot for a spinoff that wasn't picked up by the network due to negative reception) and the spelling of Castiel's nickname (canon: Cass; fanon: Cas).
*** Also a minor example, but some refuse to acknowledge that "Death's Door" "[[Recap/SupernaturalS07E10DeathsDoor Death's Door]]" in season 7 also happened, not because it was a bad episode (it was in fact one of the best of the season), but because it killed off [[spoiler: Bobby]], who was very popular and also regarded as one of the few voices of reason in Sam and Dean's life.



** A fair number of fans refuse to accept the last episode of series 2, "Exit Wounds", which ended with [[spoiler:Tosh and Owen dead]]; others reject the series 3 miniseries ''Children of Earth'', or at least the two episodes in which [[spoiler:Ianto dies]] and Jack Harkness [[spoiler:kills his own grandson]] to save the children who would otherwise be given to the 456.
** Some fans just refuse to accept the end of Day Five because it seemed so out of character for Jack to do what he did.[[note]]These fans may not be remembering the Season 1 episode "Small Worlds" amongst others which show Jack has always been willing to make the hard calls. A recurring theme of Torchwood is that victories come at a much higher price when [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] isn't around to save the day.[[/note]]

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** A fair number of fans refuse to accept the last episode of series 2, "Exit Wounds", "[[Recap/TorchwoodS2E13ExitWounds Exit Wounds]]", which ended with [[spoiler:Tosh and Owen dead]]; others reject the series 3 miniseries ''Children of Earth'', ''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth'', or at least the two episodes in which [[spoiler:Ianto dies]] and Jack Harkness [[spoiler:kills his own grandson]] to save the children who would otherwise be given to the 456.
** Some fans just refuse to accept the end of "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS3E5DayFive}} Day Five Five]]" because it seemed so out of character for Jack to do what he did.[[note]]These fans may not be remembering the Season 1 episode "Small Worlds" "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS1E5SmallWorlds}} Small Worlds]]" amongst others which show Jack has always been willing to make the hard calls. A recurring theme of Torchwood is that victories come at a much higher price when [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] isn't around to save the day.[[/note]]



** Alternately, some fans will argue that the movie prequel ''Fire Walk With Me'' never happened and prefer to keep Laura's last days ambiguous. TheMovie also allows [[spoiler:the personality of BOB and that of Leland to bleed in and out much more freely and quickly than in the show, and muddies the question of Leland's level of awareness of his actions and whether he can be said to bear culpability for them. He is certainly a far more consciously tormented character in the film, suggesting a greater awareness of the terrible things that are transpiring. That said, the film does not back away entirely from Leland as BOB's unwilling conduit, though the original script is biased more towards that idea than what made it into the final cut. But it does obscure the matter and raises disturbing questions.]] Overall, the film can be taken less as a prequel than as a variation on certain themes of the show, and some fans prefer to view it that way.

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** Alternately, some fans will argue that the movie prequel ''Fire Walk With Me'' ''Film/TwinPeaks/FireWalkWithMe'' never happened and prefer to keep Laura's last days ambiguous. TheMovie also allows [[spoiler:the personality of BOB and that of Leland to bleed in and out much more freely and quickly than in the show, and muddies the question of Leland's level of awareness of his actions and whether he can be said to bear culpability for them. He is certainly a far more consciously tormented character in the film, suggesting a greater awareness of the terrible things that are transpiring. That said, the film does not back away entirely from Leland as BOB's unwilling conduit, though the original script is biased more towards that idea than what made it into the final cut. But it does obscure the matter and raises disturbing questions.]] Overall, the film can be taken less as a prequel than as a variation on certain themes of the show, and some fans prefer to view it that way.



** Many fans of ignore everything after Season 8 after Charlie Sheen left the show. Even Angus T. Jones (who plays Jake) called out the show. It should not be a surprise that his character was written out at the end of the season.

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** Many fans of ignore everything after Season 8 after Charlie Sheen Creator/CharlieSheen left the show. Even Angus T. Jones (who plays Jake) called out the show. It should not be a surprise that his character was written out at the end of the season.



** Fans will frequently ignore anything that happened after the season four finale, when Aaron Sorkin, the show's creator and the man who wrote most of the episodes, left. This means "ending" the show on a cliffhanger, but it's either that or a major shift in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. ''Series/TheWestWing'''s discontinuity break between seasons 4 and 5 has such broad consensus that fanfics taking place after season 4 are much more likely to be AU than canon, and frequently written in the same style as fanfics set in the future of ''uncompleted'' shows, suggesting that in the minds of many fans, the post-Sorkin era was no more authoritative than fanfic.

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** Fans will frequently ignore anything that happened after the season four finale, when Aaron Sorkin, Creator/AaronSorkin, the show's creator and the man who wrote most of the episodes, left. This means "ending" the show on a cliffhanger, but it's either that or a major shift in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. ''Series/TheWestWing'''s discontinuity break between seasons 4 and 5 has such broad consensus that fanfics taking place after season 4 are much more likely to be AU than canon, and frequently written in the same style as fanfics set in the future of ''uncompleted'' shows, suggesting that in the minds of many fans, the post-Sorkin era was no more authoritative than fanfic.



* ZNation: 'Die Zombie Die... Again'. An episode fans pretty universally hate. It's a BizarroEpisode that turns out be be AllJustADream. It features only two of the main characters, and develops only one, and both of the featured characters are written out of the show two episodes later anyway.

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* ZNation: 'Die ''Series/ZNation'': "Die Zombie Die... Again'.Again". An episode fans pretty universally hate. It's a BizarroEpisode that turns out be be AllJustADream. It features only two of the main characters, and develops only one, and both of the featured characters are written out of the show two episodes later anyway.
4th Nov '17 9:54:02 AM TheSaddleman
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** ShipToShipCombat has resulted in large number of fans who subscribe to certain character romances rejecting or discounting other character romances, even if they are confirmed in the show itself. The most recent example is the shipping war between those who subscribe to the Twelfth Doctor-River Song romance (which in the show is also a marriage), and the Twelfth Doctor-Clara Oswald romance, with many fan fiction stories by both sides attempting to discount the other.
** By the fall of 2017, prior to the actual broadcast of the event, large numbers of fans were already refusing to accept the announced GenderSwap between the Twelfth and Thirteenth Doctors, with many female and gay male fans in particular, who fell in love with the Doctor as a male character, indicating on fan forums and elsewhere that the show, for them, ends with the Twelfth Doctor's regeneration into a woman.
2nd Nov '17 10:50:38 AM ShireNomad
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* A lot of fans of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' are considering the Season 7 finale the last episode, especially since it's the first in quite a few seasons that doesn't end in a cliffhanger, and the early events of season 8 (where [[spoiler:Castle and Beckett separate due to Beckett not wanting to put him in danger again.]]).

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* A lot of fans of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' are considering the Season 7 finale the last episode, especially since it's the first in quite a few seasons that doesn't end in a cliffhanger, ends with no cliffhanger and the early first ever to end with no open plot arcs, and Season 8 contains events of such as [[spoiler:half a season 8 (where [[spoiler:Castle and of Beckett separate due breaking Castle's heart to Beckett not wanting to put him in danger again.]])."protect him," the forced reopening of two arcs that had been satisfactorily closed, and a final cliffhanger that required clumsy patching when it was learned that Season 9 wasn't happening.]].
31st Oct '17 8:48:47 PM beyondthesea
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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': Season 4. With increased Disney intervention with the Frozen plot line, ignored previous character developments and a continuing theme of villains being unable to achieve a 'happy ending'. Needless to say, fans are growing increasingly vocal in the idea that season 3 was the last great season of Once Upon A Time.
** Some fans refused to acknowledge the second half of Season 3 after the SeriesFauxnale for how much [[BaseBreakingCharacter controversial]] [[VillainSue Ze]][[BadassDecay lena]] is.

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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': Season 4. With 4, with its increased tendency to throw in big-name Disney intervention with the Frozen plot line, ignored characters, suddenly drop story arcs mid-season, [[CharacterDerailment ignore or undo]] previous character developments development, and a continuing theme of villains being unable to achieve a 'happy ending'. Needless to say, fans are growing increasingly vocal in the idea that season 3 was the last great season of Once Upon A Time.
** Some fans refused to acknowledge the second half of Season 3 after the SeriesFauxnale for how much [[BaseBreakingCharacter controversial]] [[VillainSue Ze]][[BadassDecay lena]] is.
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