History Discontinuity / ComicBooks

23rd Apr '18 8:45:00 PM Pichu-kun
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* Typically, you can break the ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' comics into three distinct eras: the Ken Penders era, the Karl Bollers era, and the Ian Flynn era. Fans of the first pretend the latter two don't exist; fans of the last pretend the former two don't exist; there are no fans of the middle era.
** Then there are the fans that ignore the comic all together, saying it's a bastardization of [=SatAM=].

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* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'':
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Typically, you can break the ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' ''Sonic The Hedgehog'' comics into three distinct eras: the Ken Penders era, the Karl Bollers era, and the Ian Flynn era. Fans of the first pretend the latter two don't exist; fans of the last pretend the former two don't exist; there are no fans of the middle era.
** Then there are the fans that ignore the comic all together, saying it's a bastardization of [=SatAM=].''[=SatAM=]''.



*** Spanning from this are some of the redesigns of the Freedom Fighters. Some are happy that the [=SatAm=] characters finally have designs to better fit the SEGA style after so long, others are decrying them. Sally's especially has a few diehard fans raging that she was given ''shorts'' of all things.

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*** Spanning from this are some of the redesigns of the Freedom Fighters. Some are happy that the [=SatAm=] ''[=SatAm=]'' characters finally have designs to better fit the SEGA style after so long, others are decrying them. Sally's especially has a few diehard fans raging that she was given ''shorts'' of all things.
23rd Apr '18 8:42:48 PM Pichu-kun
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* The events in ''ComicBook/TeenTitansGo'' may or may not be in the same continuity as [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans the show]], depending on who you ask.
** Fans typically ignore the confirmation that Terra is a [[spoiler:princess and the implication that she has her memories, but just doesn't want to be a super hero.]] Shippers often ignore Sara and Cyborg too.

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* ''ComicBook/TeenTitansGo'':
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The events in ''ComicBook/TeenTitansGo'' of ''Teen Titans Go'' may or may not be in the same continuity as [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans the show]], depending on who you ask.
** Fans typically ignore the confirmation that Terra is a [[spoiler:princess [[spoiler:princess]] and the implication that she [[spoiler:she has her memories, but just doesn't want to be a super hero.]] Shippers ]]
** Many shippers
often ignore Sara and Cyborg too.Cyborg's romance because [[FanPreferredCouple Cyborg/Bumblebee]] is more popular.


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* When it comes to Donna Troy's [[MultipleChoicePast infamously convoluted backstory]], few fans accept anything after ''ComicBook/WhoIsDonnaTroy''. It's generally seen as the best backstory, with the other {{retcon}}s being seen as unneeded.
23rd Apr '18 3:43:19 PM MagBas
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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titular BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.
*** "Cap Wolf" might be an in-universe DethroningMomentOfSuck, too. When writer Nick Spencer manipulated Sam Wilson into becoming "the All-New, All-Different Cap Wolf", Misty Knight was ''delighted.'' Her only fear was that Sam would find a cure before she had a chance to work through her gigantic stock of insulting jokes about the situation.

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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titular BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.
*** "Cap Wolf" might be an in-universe DethroningMomentOfSuck, too. When writer Nick Spencer manipulated Sam Wilson into becoming "the All-New, All-Different Cap Wolf", Misty Knight was ''delighted.'' Her only fear was that Sam would find a cure before she had a chance to work through her gigantic stock of insulting jokes about the situation.
20th Apr '18 6:53:28 PM nombretomado
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* [[Series/TheTwilightZone Submitted for your consideration]]: ComicBook/TheCrossing, [[Comicbook/TheAvengers The Avengers]] crossover where ComicBook/IronMan is revealed to be a sleeper agent working for Kang, commits cold blooded murder and attacks his fellow Avengers. The Avengers desperate to stop their rampaging teammate recruit a teenage Tony Stark from an alternate universe to help them defeat his older, more experienced counterpart. This teenager then takes over the role of Iron Man and fights crime as the new Iron Man. Creator/KurtBusiek tried applying CanonDiscontinuity in Avengers Forever to wipe away this stain on The Avengers mythos, but it was totally unnecessary. Nobody at Marvel will ever admit to remembering [[SpinoffBabies teen Tony]].

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* [[Series/TheTwilightZone [[Series/TheTwilightZone1959 Submitted for your consideration]]: ComicBook/TheCrossing, [[Comicbook/TheAvengers The Avengers]] ComicBook/TheAvengers crossover where ComicBook/IronMan is revealed to be a sleeper agent working for Kang, commits cold blooded murder and attacks his fellow Avengers. The Avengers desperate to stop their rampaging teammate recruit a teenage Tony Stark from an alternate universe to help them defeat his older, more experienced counterpart. This teenager then takes over the role of Iron Man and fights crime as the new Iron Man. Creator/KurtBusiek tried applying CanonDiscontinuity in Avengers Forever to wipe away this stain on The Avengers mythos, but it was totally unnecessary. Nobody at Marvel will ever admit to remembering [[SpinoffBabies teen Tony]].
18th Mar '18 4:36:23 PM priestessofdan
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* Yet more Bat-wank. A lot of fans - especially female fans - really hated Frank Miller's new origin (accepted by many later writers) for the post-Crisis Catwoman in ''Batman: Year One'', which had her being a sex worker who saw Batman in action and decided that becoming a costumed criminal equivalent of him would be more fun and less degrading. The best FanFic resulting from this is Chris Dee's ''Fanfic/CatTales'', which [[RetCon retconned]] the whole thing as bad publicity from tabloid newspapers, which Catwoman deals with in her own inimitable style. However, at least the same number of fans and, by now, probably more, actually like this backstory as portraying her overcoming a difficult early life.

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* Yet more Bat-wank. A lot of fans - especially female fans - really hated Frank Miller's new origin (accepted by many later writers) for the post-Crisis Catwoman in ''Batman: Year One'', which had her being as a sex worker who saw Batman in action and decided that becoming a costumed criminal equivalent of him would be more fun and less degrading. The best FanFic resulting from this is Chris Dee's ''Fanfic/CatTales'', which [[RetCon retconned]] the whole thing as bad publicity from tabloid newspapers, which Catwoman deals with in her own inimitable style.degrading. However, at least the same number of fans and, by now, probably more, actually like this backstory as portraying her overcoming a difficult early life.
13th Mar '18 11:18:23 AM fighwitt
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* There is a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] story of ComicBook/TheFlash that may be one of the earliest examples of FanonDiscontinuity according to Mr. Silver Age. It retconned in an origin for the Flash involving some kind of tiny genie named Mopee causing that fateful lightning bolt to strike the Flash. It was not labeled as an imaginary story or dream sequence. It was not CanonDiscontinuity until ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''.

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* There is a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] story of ComicBook/TheFlash that may be one of the earliest examples of FanonDiscontinuity according to Mr. Silver Age.FanonDiscontinuity. It retconned in an origin for the Flash involving some kind of tiny genie named Mopee causing that fateful lightning bolt to strike the Flash. It was not labeled as an imaginary story or dream sequence. It was not CanonDiscontinuity until ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''.



* Many fans tend to ignore the ComicBook/New52 (which thankfully for them has been replaced by the 2016 relaunch ComicBook/DCRebirth, which was not a ContinuityReboot and incorporated elements of the pre-New 52 era[[note]]Most notably the HappilyMarried pre-New 52 Superman and Lois Lane returning with their son Jon being the new Superboy, Wally West (the red-haired one, not his African American New 52 counterpart) returning with the original Titans reforming, Amanda Waller redesigned back as a fat woman, Ted Kord BackFromTheDead, though Barbara Gordon is still Batgirl etc.[[/note]] and becoming more LighterAndSofter than the New 52) for its DarkerAndEdgier tone and Whichever Characters Our Writers Like Best How the Writers Want Them by declaring that:

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* Many fans tend to ignore the ComicBook/New52 (which thankfully for them has been replaced by the 2016 relaunch ComicBook/DCRebirth, which was not a ContinuityReboot and incorporated elements of the pre-New 52 era[[note]]Most notably the HappilyMarried pre-New 52 Superman and Lois Lane returning with their son Jon being the new Superboy, Wally West (the red-haired one, not his African American New 52 counterpart) returning with the original Titans reforming, Amanda Waller redesigned back as a fat woman, Ted Kord BackFromTheDead, though Barbara Gordon is still Batgirl ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} etc.[[/note]] and becoming more LighterAndSofter than the New 52) for its DarkerAndEdgier tone and Whichever Characters Our Writers Like Best How the Writers Want Them by declaring that:
18th Feb '18 10:31:04 AM nombretomado
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* Some ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans have had this reaction to ReginaldHudlin's work on the ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' comics, including the retconning of the nation of Wakanda into a [[MarySuetopia Straw Utopia]] that is intentionally keeping high technology (including ''the cure for cancer!'') from non-natives, and Storm stepping down as one of the leaders of the X-Men to marry T'Challa in the sake of a TokenRomance. This relationship is sunk with a single line of dialogue in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.

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* Some ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans have had this reaction to ReginaldHudlin's Creator/ReginaldHudlin's work on the ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' comics, including the retconning of the nation of Wakanda into a [[MarySuetopia Straw Utopia]] that is intentionally keeping high technology (including ''the cure for cancer!'') from non-natives, and Storm stepping down as one of the leaders of the X-Men to marry T'Challa in the sake of a TokenRomance. This relationship is sunk with a single line of dialogue in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
18th Feb '18 12:12:34 AM Scistorm
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*** An issue of ''Dark Avengers'' several years later retconned parts of the story. Doom was heavily wounded by the sharks, but saved by the Dark Avengers, who were going through unrelated time travel problems. He hijacked their time machine to get back to the present and plot from there, establishing that most of the above story was a lie.
8th Feb '18 10:45:04 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Even its sequel story ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' fell into this for being a unwanted tie-in to the BetterThanCanon ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being a rehash to the already divisive original]], being published during the Black Lives Matter movement, Carol Danvers [[TookALevelInJerkass becoming more of a jerk]] [[note]]Though Carol was already a {{Jerkass}} prior to becoming Captain Marvel, which toned down her attitude as the author of ''Fanfic/OriginStory'' made [[TakeThat a jab]] at her current identity.[[/note]] and for the deaths of [[spoiler:War Machine]], [[spoiler:She-Hulk]] and [[spoiler:Bruce Banner]], though for the middle, [[spoiler:she turned out to be NotQuiteDead]]. It doesn't help that it ended the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' branding and beginning the [[ComicBook/MarvelNow2016 2016]] version of ''ComicBook/MarvelNow''. Hawkeye fans were very pissed at the scene in [[spoiler:which he kills Banner, causing a possible CharacterDerailment or NeverLiveItDown moment for him]]. Not only that, the controversial ending in [[spoiler:Carol puts Tony in a coma]], codified her CharacterDerailment.

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** Even its sequel story ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' fell into this for being a unwanted tie-in to the BetterThanCanon ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being a rehash to the already divisive original]], being published during the Black Lives Matter movement, Carol Danvers [[TookALevelInJerkass becoming more of a jerk]] [[note]]Though Carol was already a {{Jerkass}} prior to becoming Captain Marvel, which toned down her attitude as the author of ''Fanfic/OriginStory'' made [[TakeThat a jab]] at her current identity.[[/note]] jerk]] and for the deaths of [[spoiler:War Machine]], [[spoiler:She-Hulk]] and [[spoiler:Bruce Banner]], though for the middle, [[spoiler:she turned out to be NotQuiteDead]]. It doesn't help that it ended the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' branding and beginning the [[ComicBook/MarvelNow2016 2016]] version of ''ComicBook/MarvelNow''. Hawkeye fans were very pissed at the scene in [[spoiler:which he kills Banner, causing a possible CharacterDerailment or NeverLiveItDown moment for him]]. Not only that, the controversial ending in [[spoiler:Carol puts Tony in a coma]], codified her CharacterDerailment.



** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.

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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual titular BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.



* ''[[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Spider-Woman: Origin]]'': The revised origin by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis is considered non-canon due to significantly altering details established in earlier stories, and for presenting Bova and the High Evolutionary as ordinary humans, when several stories depend on their established likeness being present.

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* ''[[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Spider-Woman: Origin]]'': The revised origin by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis is considered non-canon due to significantly altering details established in earlier stories, and for presenting Bova and the High Evolutionary as ordinary humans, when several stories depend on their established likeness being present.present (though the latter was somewhat ambiguous, and hinted to be Jessica's altered memories at work).



** Another one is the story of Doom serving the Marquis of Death, being sent back in time by the Marquis for not being evil enough, torn apart by prehistoric sharks, surviving by pure hate, and somehow recreating his body, growing stronger in dark magic, and living for millions of years only to show up to kill the Marquis after the FF have defeated him. Since Doom would rather die than call anyone else master along with the general ridiculousness of the storyline the next one and all other ones have conveniently ignored it.
* There was a Usenet meme: "[[Comicbook/XMen Jean Grey is dead on the moon]]." The theory was that Jean Grey being resurrected for ''ComicBook/XFactor'', the {{retcon}}'s effect on the original "Dark Phoenix Saga", and the CharacterDerailment inflicted on Cyclops and his marriage was where the ''X-Men'' franchise [[JumpTheShark Jumped the Shark]]. Yet two wrongs don't make a right, and the Emma Frost thing doesn't sit too well with some fans either. Then again, Jean even dating Scott is FanonDiscontinuity for the Jean/Logan fans, so there seems to be a line where this goes too far and just makes for messy fanon.

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** Another one is the story of Doom serving the Marquis of Death, being sent back in time by the Marquis for not being evil enough, torn apart by prehistoric sharks, surviving by pure hate, and somehow recreating his body, growing stronger in dark magic, and living for millions of years only to show up to kill the Marquis after the FF have defeated him. Since While the depiction of Doom's determination is fitting, since Doom would rather die than call anyone else master master, along with the general ridiculousness of the storyline storyline, the next one and all other ones have conveniently ignored it.
* There was a Usenet meme: "[[Comicbook/XMen Jean Grey is dead on the moon]]." The theory was that Jean Grey being resurrected for ''ComicBook/XFactor'', the {{retcon}}'s effect on the original "Dark Phoenix Saga", and the CharacterDerailment inflicted on Cyclops and his marriage was where the ''X-Men'' franchise [[JumpTheShark Jumped the Shark]]. Yet two wrongs don't make a right, and the Emma Frost thing doesn't sit too well with some fans either. Then again, Jean even dating Scott Scott, letting alone marrying him, is FanonDiscontinuity for the Jean/Logan fans, so there seems to be a line where this goes too far and just makes for messy fanon.
3rd Feb '18 11:31:08 AM nombretomado
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* Even more Bat-wanking... for decades there has never been an official origin for TheJoker, which fits in with his chaotic nature as he himself says he remembers the past differently each time. So you can imagine the fan outcry when in 2006 DC announced they were giving The Joker an official canonical origin story. You can imagine the further outcry when said story turned out to be terrible, reducing The Joker to a generic mafia hitman named Jack whose war with Batman is sparked when he injures Bruce Wayne's girlfriend, and Batman retaliates by disfiguring his face with a Batarang. Fans loathed it, and many refuse to acknowledge the story's existence. While DC has never officially retracted the story, all subsequent Joker tales have completely ignored it, and Joker's official profile on DC's website currently gives him no definitive origin.

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* Even more Bat-wanking... for decades there has never been an official origin for TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, which fits in with his chaotic nature as he himself says he remembers the past differently each time. So you can imagine the fan outcry when in 2006 DC announced they were giving The Joker an official canonical origin story. You can imagine the further outcry when said story turned out to be terrible, reducing The Joker to a generic mafia hitman named Jack whose war with Batman is sparked when he injures Bruce Wayne's girlfriend, and Batman retaliates by disfiguring his face with a Batarang. Fans loathed it, and many refuse to acknowledge the story's existence. While DC has never officially retracted the story, all subsequent Joker tales have completely ignored it, and Joker's official profile on DC's website currently gives him no definitive origin.
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