History DisContinuity / ComicBooks

18th Feb '18 10:31:04 AM nombretomado
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* Some ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans have had this reaction to ReginaldHudlin's work on the ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' comics, including the retconning of the nation of Wakanda into a [[MarySuetopia Straw Utopia]] that is intentionally keeping high technology (including ''the cure for cancer!'') from non-natives, and Storm stepping down as one of the leaders of the X-Men to marry T'Challa in the sake of a TokenRomance. This relationship is sunk with a single line of dialogue in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.

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* Some ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans have had this reaction to ReginaldHudlin's Creator/ReginaldHudlin's work on the ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' comics, including the retconning of the nation of Wakanda into a [[MarySuetopia Straw Utopia]] that is intentionally keeping high technology (including ''the cure for cancer!'') from non-natives, and Storm stepping down as one of the leaders of the X-Men to marry T'Challa in the sake of a TokenRomance. This relationship is sunk with a single line of dialogue in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
18th Feb '18 12:12:34 AM Scistorm
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*** An issue of ''Dark Avengers'' several years later retconned parts of the story. Doom was heavily wounded by the sharks, but saved by the Dark Avengers, who were going through unrelated time travel problems. He hijacked their time machine to get back to the present and plot from there, establishing that most of the above story was a lie.
8th Feb '18 10:45:04 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Even its sequel story ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' fell into this for being a unwanted tie-in to the BetterThanCanon ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being a rehash to the already divisive original]], being published during the Black Lives Matter movement, Carol Danvers [[TookALevelInJerkass becoming more of a jerk]] [[note]]Though Carol was already a {{Jerkass}} prior to becoming Captain Marvel, which toned down her attitude as the author of ''Fanfic/OriginStory'' made [[TakeThat a jab]] at her current identity.[[/note]] and for the deaths of [[spoiler:War Machine]], [[spoiler:She-Hulk]] and [[spoiler:Bruce Banner]], though for the middle, [[spoiler:she turned out to be NotQuiteDead]]. It doesn't help that it ended the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' branding and beginning the [[ComicBook/MarvelNow2016 2016]] version of ''ComicBook/MarvelNow''. Hawkeye fans were very pissed at the scene in [[spoiler:which he kills Banner, causing a possible CharacterDerailment or NeverLiveItDown moment for him]]. Not only that, the controversial ending in [[spoiler:Carol puts Tony in a coma]], codified her CharacterDerailment.

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** Even its sequel story ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' fell into this for being a unwanted tie-in to the BetterThanCanon ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being a rehash to the already divisive original]], being published during the Black Lives Matter movement, Carol Danvers [[TookALevelInJerkass becoming more of a jerk]] [[note]]Though Carol was already a {{Jerkass}} prior to becoming Captain Marvel, which toned down her attitude as the author of ''Fanfic/OriginStory'' made [[TakeThat a jab]] at her current identity.[[/note]] jerk]] and for the deaths of [[spoiler:War Machine]], [[spoiler:She-Hulk]] and [[spoiler:Bruce Banner]], though for the middle, [[spoiler:she turned out to be NotQuiteDead]]. It doesn't help that it ended the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' branding and beginning the [[ComicBook/MarvelNow2016 2016]] version of ''ComicBook/MarvelNow''. Hawkeye fans were very pissed at the scene in [[spoiler:which he kills Banner, causing a possible CharacterDerailment or NeverLiveItDown moment for him]]. Not only that, the controversial ending in [[spoiler:Carol puts Tony in a coma]], codified her CharacterDerailment.



** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.

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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual titular BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.



* ''[[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Spider-Woman: Origin]]'': The revised origin by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis is considered non-canon due to significantly altering details established in earlier stories, and for presenting Bova and the High Evolutionary as ordinary humans, when several stories depend on their established likeness being present.

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* ''[[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Spider-Woman: Origin]]'': The revised origin by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis is considered non-canon due to significantly altering details established in earlier stories, and for presenting Bova and the High Evolutionary as ordinary humans, when several stories depend on their established likeness being present.present (though the latter was somewhat ambiguous, and hinted to be Jessica's altered memories at work).



** Another one is the story of Doom serving the Marquis of Death, being sent back in time by the Marquis for not being evil enough, torn apart by prehistoric sharks, surviving by pure hate, and somehow recreating his body, growing stronger in dark magic, and living for millions of years only to show up to kill the Marquis after the FF have defeated him. Since Doom would rather die than call anyone else master along with the general ridiculousness of the storyline the next one and all other ones have conveniently ignored it.
* There was a Usenet meme: "[[Comicbook/XMen Jean Grey is dead on the moon]]." The theory was that Jean Grey being resurrected for ''ComicBook/XFactor'', the {{retcon}}'s effect on the original "Dark Phoenix Saga", and the CharacterDerailment inflicted on Cyclops and his marriage was where the ''X-Men'' franchise [[JumpTheShark Jumped the Shark]]. Yet two wrongs don't make a right, and the Emma Frost thing doesn't sit too well with some fans either. Then again, Jean even dating Scott is FanonDiscontinuity for the Jean/Logan fans, so there seems to be a line where this goes too far and just makes for messy fanon.

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** Another one is the story of Doom serving the Marquis of Death, being sent back in time by the Marquis for not being evil enough, torn apart by prehistoric sharks, surviving by pure hate, and somehow recreating his body, growing stronger in dark magic, and living for millions of years only to show up to kill the Marquis after the FF have defeated him. Since While the depiction of Doom's determination is fitting, since Doom would rather die than call anyone else master master, along with the general ridiculousness of the storyline storyline, the next one and all other ones have conveniently ignored it.
* There was a Usenet meme: "[[Comicbook/XMen Jean Grey is dead on the moon]]." The theory was that Jean Grey being resurrected for ''ComicBook/XFactor'', the {{retcon}}'s effect on the original "Dark Phoenix Saga", and the CharacterDerailment inflicted on Cyclops and his marriage was where the ''X-Men'' franchise [[JumpTheShark Jumped the Shark]]. Yet two wrongs don't make a right, and the Emma Frost thing doesn't sit too well with some fans either. Then again, Jean even dating Scott Scott, letting alone marrying him, is FanonDiscontinuity for the Jean/Logan fans, so there seems to be a line where this goes too far and just makes for messy fanon.
3rd Feb '18 11:31:08 AM nombretomado
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* Even more Bat-wanking... for decades there has never been an official origin for TheJoker, which fits in with his chaotic nature as he himself says he remembers the past differently each time. So you can imagine the fan outcry when in 2006 DC announced they were giving The Joker an official canonical origin story. You can imagine the further outcry when said story turned out to be terrible, reducing The Joker to a generic mafia hitman named Jack whose war with Batman is sparked when he injures Bruce Wayne's girlfriend, and Batman retaliates by disfiguring his face with a Batarang. Fans loathed it, and many refuse to acknowledge the story's existence. While DC has never officially retracted the story, all subsequent Joker tales have completely ignored it, and Joker's official profile on DC's website currently gives him no definitive origin.

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* Even more Bat-wanking... for decades there has never been an official origin for TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, which fits in with his chaotic nature as he himself says he remembers the past differently each time. So you can imagine the fan outcry when in 2006 DC announced they were giving The Joker an official canonical origin story. You can imagine the further outcry when said story turned out to be terrible, reducing The Joker to a generic mafia hitman named Jack whose war with Batman is sparked when he injures Bruce Wayne's girlfriend, and Batman retaliates by disfiguring his face with a Batarang. Fans loathed it, and many refuse to acknowledge the story's existence. While DC has never officially retracted the story, all subsequent Joker tales have completely ignored it, and Joker's official profile on DC's website currently gives him no definitive origin.
17th Jan '18 8:16:38 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* What do you mean ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' was secretly a [[ThoseWackyNazis Hydra agent]] the whole time? Captain America, created by Creator/JoeSimon and Creator/JackKirby, both of whom were Jewish? Who had his [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes best friend]] kidnapped, tortured, and brainwashed by them? Who witnessed the atrocities of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII firsthand? Who witnessed the atrocities committed by Hydra post-iceberg? Oh, certainly you jest. Also, his [[UsefulNotes/TheIrishDiaspora Irish immigrant father]] was not an abusive drunk, nor was his nurse mother ever a Hydra supporter. What nonsense. This is a relatively recent development, but the backlash from fans is already staggering. The hashtag "Say No to HYDRA Cap" is currently trending on Twitter, and things look to only grow from here.
** Of course, the writer followed this up pretty rapidly by revealing that it's all an in-universe retcon happening thanks to the Red Skull getting access to Cosmic Cube powers. Considering that this is exactly the sort of thing the Cube was created for back in the Silver Age, long-time Cap fans are rather anti-surprised. The final verdict on whether this story arc is dumb or brilliant remains up in the air.
6th Jan '18 10:42:57 AM nombretomado
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* What do you mean ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' was secretly a [[ThoseWackyNazis Hydra agent]] the whole time? Captain America, created by Creator/JoeSimon and Creator/JackKirby, both of whom were Jewish? Who had his [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes best friend]] kidnapped, tortured, and brainwashed by them? Who witnessed the atrocities of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII firsthand? Who witnessed the atrocities committed by Hydra post-iceberg? Oh, certainly you jest. Also, his [[TheIrishDiaspora Irish immigrant father]] was not an abusive drunk, nor was his nurse mother ever a Hydra supporter. What nonsense. This is a relatively recent development, but the backlash from fans is already staggering. The hashtag "Say No to HYDRA Cap" is currently trending on Twitter, and things look to only grow from here.

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* What do you mean ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' was secretly a [[ThoseWackyNazis Hydra agent]] the whole time? Captain America, created by Creator/JoeSimon and Creator/JackKirby, both of whom were Jewish? Who had his [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes best friend]] kidnapped, tortured, and brainwashed by them? Who witnessed the atrocities of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII firsthand? Who witnessed the atrocities committed by Hydra post-iceberg? Oh, certainly you jest. Also, his [[TheIrishDiaspora [[UsefulNotes/TheIrishDiaspora Irish immigrant father]] was not an abusive drunk, nor was his nurse mother ever a Hydra supporter. What nonsense. This is a relatively recent development, but the backlash from fans is already staggering. The hashtag "Say No to HYDRA Cap" is currently trending on Twitter, and things look to only grow from here.
29th Dec '17 3:56:35 PM nombretomado
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** ''JSA'' writer GeoffJohns, in an effort to MustMakeAmends, started trying to undo the above mess, though the results are still mixed. Captain Marvel was BroughtDownToNormal by Black Adam and his resurrected wife Isis, leaving him in his mortal form of 16 year old Billy Batson. Billy went to the JSA for help, and when a big fight erupted, was forced to accept Black Adam's power by way of Mary Marvel and joined TheDarkSide against his will. Shazam (the wizard, not Captain Marvel Jr.) [[UnexplainedRecovery got better]] and promptly depowers EVERYONE, leaving Billy and Mary normal teenagers, but thankfully no longer evil (Mary having a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment) and turning Adam and Isis into stone statues. Shazam then leaves in a huff, ticked that Billy had failed in his position as the new Wizard, that Mary had become evil and that Captain Marvel Jr. was now going around using Shazam's name and using different powers. So to sum up, Captain Marvel Jr. is the only active Marvel Family member at the moment and he's barely shown anywhere at the moment. Is it any wonder fans like to pretend the last several years never happened?

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** ''JSA'' writer GeoffJohns, Creator/GeoffJohns, in an effort to MustMakeAmends, started trying to undo the above mess, though the results are still mixed. Captain Marvel was BroughtDownToNormal by Black Adam and his resurrected wife Isis, leaving him in his mortal form of 16 year old Billy Batson. Billy went to the JSA for help, and when a big fight erupted, was forced to accept Black Adam's power by way of Mary Marvel and joined TheDarkSide against his will. Shazam (the wizard, not Captain Marvel Jr.) [[UnexplainedRecovery got better]] and promptly depowers EVERYONE, leaving Billy and Mary normal teenagers, but thankfully no longer evil (Mary having a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment) and turning Adam and Isis into stone statues. Shazam then leaves in a huff, ticked that Billy had failed in his position as the new Wizard, that Mary had become evil and that Captain Marvel Jr. was now going around using Shazam's name and using different powers. So to sum up, Captain Marvel Jr. is the only active Marvel Family member at the moment and he's barely shown anywhere at the moment. Is it any wonder fans like to pretend the last several years never happened?
27th Oct '17 10:50:00 AM lillolillo
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* Yet more Bat-wank. A lot of fans - especially female fans - really hated Frank Miller's new origin (accepted by many later writers) for the post-Crisis Catwoman in ''Batman: Year One'', which had her being a sex worker who saw Batman in action and decided that becoming a costumed criminal equivalent of him would be more fun and less degrading. The best FanFic resulting from this is Chris Dee's [[http://catwoman-cattales.com/ Cat Tales]], which [[RetCon retconned]] the whole thing as bad publicity from tabloid newspapers, which Catwoman deals with in her own inimitable style. However, at least the same number of fans and, by now, probably more, actually like this backstory as portraying her overcoming a difficult early life.

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* Yet more Bat-wank. A lot of fans - especially female fans - really hated Frank Miller's new origin (accepted by many later writers) for the post-Crisis Catwoman in ''Batman: Year One'', which had her being a sex worker who saw Batman in action and decided that becoming a costumed criminal equivalent of him would be more fun and less degrading. The best FanFic resulting from this is Chris Dee's [[http://catwoman-cattales.com/ Cat Tales]], ''Fanfic/CatTales'', which [[RetCon retconned]] the whole thing as bad publicity from tabloid newspapers, which Catwoman deals with in her own inimitable style. However, at least the same number of fans and, by now, probably more, actually like this backstory as portraying her overcoming a difficult early life.



* ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' is often considered one big example of FanonDiscontinuity, but it gets a special notice for the ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' and ''ComicBook/WonderGirl'' [[ComicBook/Supergirl2005]] plotline, which involved them siding with the genocidal Amazon invaders and being tricked into taking down Air Force One and leading the President into an ambush. As they never faced any consequences for what certainly amounts to high treason (beyond some mild public displeasure), it seems even DC probably considers this CanonDiscontinuity.

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* ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' is often considered one big example of FanonDiscontinuity, but it gets a special notice for the ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' and ''ComicBook/WonderGirl'' [[ComicBook/Supergirl2005]] plotline, [[ComicBook/Supergirl2005 plotline]], which involved them siding with the genocidal Amazon invaders and being tricked into taking down Air Force One and leading the President into an ambush. As they never faced any consequences for what certainly amounts to high treason (beyond some mild public displeasure), it seems even DC probably considers this CanonDiscontinuity.



** ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'''s costume faced loud backlash for the odd design choices, notably the cut-out knees on the high boots, the strange red patch on the crotch that almost evokes the image of panties but just looks off, and the general armoured look that, like Superman's costume, doesn't really make much sense. [[ComicBook/Supergirl2011 Kara wore that costume for five years]], but before ''ComicBook/SupergirlRebirth'''s first issue she had replaced it with a version of her classic costume, and everyone acted as she always wore her current outfit. Oh, and she definitely was NOT duped by an obvious villain into furthering his goals.

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** ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'''s ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'s costume faced loud backlash for the odd design choices, notably the cut-out knees on the high boots, the strange red patch on the crotch that almost evokes the image of panties but just looks off, and the general armoured look that, like Superman's costume, doesn't really make much sense. [[ComicBook/Supergirl2011 Kara wore that costume for five years]], but before ''ComicBook/SupergirlRebirth'''s first issue she had replaced it with a version of her classic costume, and everyone acted as she always wore her current outfit. Oh, and she definitely was NOT duped by an obvious villain into furthering his goals.



** Wonder Woman was still crafted from clay by her mother Hippolyta and is not the daughter of Zeus. The only thing Zeus did was strike her clay form with lightning to give it life, if that.

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** Wonder Woman Franchise/WonderWoman was still crafted from clay by her mother Hippolyta and is not the daughter of Zeus. The only thing Zeus did was strike her clay form with lightning to give it life, if that.
27th Oct '17 10:42:52 AM lillolillo
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* ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' is often considered one big example of FanonDiscontinuity, but it gets a special notice for the ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' and Wonder Girl plotline, which involved them siding with the genocidal Amazon invaders, taking down Air Force One, and leading the President into an ambush. As they never faced any consequences for what certainly amounts to high treason (beyond some mild public displeasure), it seems even DC probably considers this CanonDiscontinuity.

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* ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' is often considered one big example of FanonDiscontinuity, but it gets a special notice for the ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' and Wonder Girl ''ComicBook/WonderGirl'' [[ComicBook/Supergirl2005]] plotline, which involved them siding with the genocidal Amazon invaders, invaders and being tricked into taking down Air Force One, One and leading the President into an ambush. As they never faced any consequences for what certainly amounts to high treason (beyond some mild public displeasure), it seems even DC probably considers this CanonDiscontinuity.



** Barbara Gordon is still in the wheelchair/Stephanie Brown is still Batgirl.



** Wally West is still the Flash, not the dead-for-20-years-real-time Barry Allen. And he's '''definitely not''' a teenage half-black punk with a criminal record.

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** Wally West is still the Flash, not the dead-for-20-years-real-time Barry Allen. And he's '''definitely not''' a teenage half-black punk with a criminal record.



** Harley's {{Stripperific}} costume had an extreme backlash. It seems no one likes it, saying that they completely missed the point of her persona and that it doesn't work realistically for an acrobat like her.
** The costume was just the first and most general one. More specifically, Harley is NOT just the latest in a line of "Harley Quinns" that the Joker creates and kills whenever he gets fed up with them. Also, Harley did NOT kill hundreds of people in cold blood, and ForTheEvulz, with exploding hand-held video game machines.

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** Harley's {{Stripperific}} costume had an extreme backlash. It seems no one likes it, saying that they completely missed the point of her persona and that it doesn't work realistically for an acrobat like her. \n** The costume was just the first and most general one. More specifically, Harley is NOT just the latest in a line of "Harley Quinns" that the Joker creates and kills whenever he gets fed up with them. Also, Harley did NOT kill hundreds of people in cold blood, and ForTheEvulz, with exploding hand-held video game machines.machines.
** ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'''s costume faced loud backlash for the odd design choices, notably the cut-out knees on the high boots, the strange red patch on the crotch that almost evokes the image of panties but just looks off, and the general armoured look that, like Superman's costume, doesn't really make much sense. [[ComicBook/Supergirl2011 Kara wore that costume for five years]], but before ''ComicBook/SupergirlRebirth'''s first issue she had replaced it with a version of her classic costume, and everyone acted as she always wore her current outfit. Oh, and she definitely was NOT duped by an obvious villain into furthering his goals.



*** There is slight hope since a recent hinting suggested that there is a new Ted Kord, but whether he becomes (a) Blue Beetle or even a superhero is unclear.



* Many fans of the [[ComicBook/NewGods New Gods mythos]] like to think ''Death of the New Gods'' by Jim Starlin did not happen. Starlin pretty much ignores all but the basics of the New Gods except for what he himself wrote. He destroyed Mr. Miracle's personality from what it has always been. He turned The Source into an [[ImmortalImmaturity childish disco ball]] who lacks the wisdom one would expect and is outsmarted by Darkseid and never behind the Source Wall. And to top it off the final battle between Orion and Darkseid, the two most important New Gods, occurred in another comic.

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* Many fans of the [[ComicBook/NewGods New Gods mythos]] ''ComicBook/NewGods'' mythos like to think ''Death of the New Gods'' by Jim Starlin did not happen. Starlin pretty much ignores all but the basics of the New Gods except for what he himself wrote. He destroyed Mr. Miracle's personality from what it has always been. He turned The Source into an [[ImmortalImmaturity childish disco ball]] who lacks the wisdom one would expect and is outsmarted by Darkseid and never behind the Source Wall. And to top it off the final battle between Orion and Darkseid, the two most important New Gods, occurred in another comic.
24th Sep '17 6:32:00 AM Freezer
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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Cable shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and Iron Cap (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging for his life. "Wolf Cap" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.
*** CapWolf might be an in-universe DethroningMomentOfSuck, too. When writer Nick Spencer manipulated Sam Wilson into becoming the All-New, All-Different CapWolf, Misty Knight was ''delighted.'' Her only fear was that Sam would find a cure before she had a chance to work through her gigantic stock of insulting jokes about the situation.

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** The latter part of Mark Gruenwald's run as writer, from around 1992, until 1995 when Mark Waid took over, post Comics/HeroesReborn, is considered a giant Dork Age. Lowlights include "The Superia Strategem" (Where Cap and his male allies get transformed into women by the titual BigBad), "Cap Wolf" (Cap gets transformed into a werewolf by a mad scientist. Cable Comicbook/{{Cable}} shows up, because he was the [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of the time) and Iron Cap "Iron Cap" (The Super Soldier Serum turns toxic, and Cap dons a ridiculous suit of PoweredArmor to keep fighting). The latter of which contains what is considered the DethroningMomentOfSuck for Cap: His lying in the Iron Cap armor, his body on the verge of shutting down completely, begging God for his life. "Wolf Cap" Meanwhile, "Cap Wolf" has become the standard by which bad Captain America stories are judged.
*** CapWolf "Cap Wolf" might be an in-universe DethroningMomentOfSuck, too. When writer Nick Spencer manipulated Sam Wilson into becoming the "the All-New, All-Different CapWolf, Cap Wolf", Misty Knight was ''delighted.'' Her only fear was that Sam would find a cure before she had a chance to work through her gigantic stock of insulting jokes about the situation.
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