History DieForOurShip / AnimeAndManga

11th Aug '16 11:03:55 PM Anddrix
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** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreaker to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has suffered enough in-series.]]

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** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has suffered enough in-series.]]



** Jellal is something of a BaseBreaker to begin with, but he gets a lot of crap from some Natsu/Erza fans, who like to ignore the tiny little detail that all the horrible stuff he did in the beginning was while he was under the influence of brainwashing and possession by an evil spirit after being horrifically tortured.

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** Jellal is something of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with, but he gets a lot of crap from some Natsu/Erza fans, who like to ignore the tiny little detail that all the horrible stuff he did in the beginning was while he was under the influence of brainwashing and possession by an evil spirit after being horrifically tortured.
10th Aug '16 6:02:39 PM sorako
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** Ren Kougyoku, in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere and a Yandere (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well. Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.

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** Ren Kougyoku, in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere {{Tsundere}} and a Yandere {{Yandere}} (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well. Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.
10th Aug '16 6:01:11 PM sorako
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* Being a harem series, ''{{Sekirei}}'' is not immune to this even with strong themes of TrueCompanions and the stated desire of the MarryThemAll solution. Musubi gets this for being the primary heroine, an IdiotHero, and supposedly in the way of whichever member of Minato's harem is preferred. It isn't unusual to find fanfiction where she is killed off, written out of the harem, or completely ignored. The other primary target is Mikogami Hayato, because he is a very real stumbling block to the FanPreferredCouple of [[FoeYayShipping Minato and Akitsu]]. Discussion of his impending death and Akitsu running off to join Minato's harem occurs literally every single time a new chapter is released.

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* Being a harem series, ''{{Sekirei}}'' ''Manga/{{Sekirei}}'' is not immune to this even with strong themes of TrueCompanions and the stated desire of the MarryThemAll solution. Musubi gets this for being the primary heroine, an IdiotHero, and supposedly in the way of whichever member of Minato's harem is preferred. It isn't unusual to find fanfiction where she is killed off, written out of the harem, or completely ignored. The other primary target is Mikogami Hayato, because he is a very real stumbling block to the FanPreferredCouple of [[FoeYayShipping Minato and Akitsu]]. Discussion of his impending death and Akitsu running off to join Minato's harem occurs literally every single time a new chapter is released.
10th Aug '16 5:58:58 PM sorako
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* Ren Kougyoku of ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'', in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere and a Yandere (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well.
** Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.
** The fandom '''[[ShipToShipCombat exploded]]''' after chapter 314, which showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] [[RelationshipUpgrade becoming a couple]]. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]] ([[{{irony}} ironically]])]], and others insisted that [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] ]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]

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* ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'':
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Ren Kougyoku of ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'', Kougyoku, in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere and a Yandere (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well.
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well. Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.
** The fandom '''[[ShipToShipCombat exploded]]''' after chapter 314, which showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] [[RelationshipUpgrade becoming a couple]]. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]] ([[{{irony}} ironically]])]], and others insisted that [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] ]] [[spoiler:[[AntiHero Hakuryuu]]]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]] Morgiana]].



* ''Manga/{{Magi}}'':
** The Magi fandom is becoming this way after chapter 314 showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] becoming a couple. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]], and others insisting [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]
** Princess Kougyouku was hotly, ''hotly'' bashed for crushing on [[GuileHero Sinbad]]...
8th Aug '16 11:48:15 AM StFan
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** Ignoring the non-shippers who [[TheScrappy dislike]] male lead character Yuuichi Tate for being [[NonActionGuy largely useless]] (and [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight in the manga]], to the point that some fans have [[Discontinuity/{{Anime}} sworn off the manga adaptation entirely]] simply because he's in it), those who write him in fanfic at all keep [[TheHero Mai Tokiha]] the hell away from him [[FanPreferredCouple in favor of hooking her up with]] [[CuteBruiser Mikoto Minagi]]. This is complicated even further because of the constant [[HoYay Les Yay]] Mai and Mikoto share on-screen, and because [[spoiler:even though Mai feels like she'd be better as Mikoto's CoolBigSis, she actually tells ''Mikoto'' "I love you" ''before'' saying the same about Tate, even in the final episode's {{omake}}.]]

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** Ignoring the non-shippers who [[TheScrappy dislike]] male lead character Yuuichi Tate for being [[NonActionGuy largely useless]] (and [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight in the manga]], to the point that some fans have [[Discontinuity/{{Anime}} [[Discontinuity/AnimeAndManga sworn off the manga adaptation entirely]] simply because he's in it), those who write him in fanfic at all keep [[TheHero Mai Tokiha]] the hell away from him [[FanPreferredCouple in favor of hooking her up with]] [[CuteBruiser Mikoto Minagi]]. This is complicated even further because of the constant [[HoYay Les Yay]] Mai and Mikoto share on-screen, and because [[spoiler:even though Mai feels like she'd be better as Mikoto's CoolBigSis, she actually tells ''Mikoto'' "I love you" ''before'' saying the same about Tate, even in the final episode's {{omake}}.]]
2nd Aug '16 2:14:46 PM Willbyr
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* Tensions were beginning to peak in the fandom's hate of Haruna in ''ToLoveRu'' for getting in the way of other ships, notably Rito/Lala and Rito/Yui. The manga was cut short before the hate could truly begin to show, but it was most definitely bubbling under the surface and getting worse. Doesn't help that Haruna was ostensibly based on illustrator Kentarou Yabuki's wife before he found out she was cheating on him and the subsequent messy divorce which cut the manga short in the first place, even when that's not '''Haruna's''' fault.

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* Tensions were beginning to peak in the fandom's hate of Haruna in ''ToLoveRu'' ''Manga/ToLoveRu'' for getting in the way of other ships, notably Rito/Lala and Rito/Yui. The manga was cut short before the hate could truly begin to show, but it was most definitely bubbling under the surface and getting worse. Doesn't help that Haruna was ostensibly based on illustrator Kentarou Yabuki's wife before he found out she was cheating on him and the subsequent messy divorce which cut the manga short in the first place, even when that's not '''Haruna's''' fault.
1st Aug '16 11:14:02 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** The fandom '''[[ShipToShipCombat exploded]]''' after chapter 314, which showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] [[RelationshipUpgrade becoming a couple]]. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]] ([[{{irony}} ironically]]), and others insisted that [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] ]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]

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** The fandom '''[[ShipToShipCombat exploded]]''' after chapter 314, which showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] [[RelationshipUpgrade becoming a couple]]. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]] ([[{{irony}} ironically]]), ironically]])]], and others insisted that [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] ]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]
1st Aug '16 11:13:25 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** The fandom '''[[ShipToShipCombat exploded]]''' after chapter 314, which showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana]] [[RelationshipUpgrade becoming a couple]]. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing the latter over his other love interest, [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]] ([[{{irony}} ironically]]), and others insisted that [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] ]] would have been better off with [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]



** ''Manga/Magi'': The Magi fandom is becoming this way after Magi 314 showed Alibaba and Morgiana becoming a couple, with some claiming Alibaba is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing Morgiana over his other love interest, [[ Royalswhoactuallydosomething Kougyoku]]-and others insisting [[ Anti-Hero Hakuryuu]] would have been better off with Morgiana.

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* ''Manga/{{Magi}}'':
** ''Manga/Magi'': The Magi fandom is becoming this way after Magi chapter 314 showed [[spoiler: Alibaba and Morgiana Morgiana]] becoming a couple, with some claiming Alibaba couple. Some claimed the first is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing Morgiana the latter over his other love interest, [[ Royalswhoactuallydosomething Kougyoku]]-and [[spoiler: [[BadassPrincess Kougyoku]], and others insisting [[ Anti-Hero [[AntiHero Hakuryuu]] would have been better off with Morgiana. [[spoiler: Morgiana.]]
** Princess Kougyouku was hotly, ''hotly'' bashed for crushing on [[GuileHero Sinbad]]...
31st Jul '16 8:24:41 PM Higurashiblood98
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** ''Manga/Magi'': The Magi fandom is becoming this way after Magi 314 showed Alibaba and Morgiana becoming a couple, with some claiming Alibaba is "possessed," "mistaken" and "wrong" for choosing Morgiana over his other love interest, [[ Royalswhoactuallydosomething Kougyoku]]-and others insisting [[ Anti-Hero Hakuryuu]] would have been better off with Morgiana.
26th Jul '16 12:31:11 PM ecuvulle6267
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* ''Manga/SgtFrog'': What with all the AllLoveIsUnrequited going on, the more militant shippers take out their frustrations on any character they see as getting the the way of their favored ship.
** Very often in fanfictions with "Natsumi x anyone".
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