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19th Nov '16 6:27:05 PM Apocrypha
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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'': While Chiaki Nanami and her pairing with Hajime are well-liked by the fanbase overall, a section of Komahina fans bash her with every excuse under the sun, from MarySue to SatelliteLoveInterest, ignoring how she fits neither of those criteria. Some of them even claim [[spoiler:to have ''rejoiced'' at her CruelAndUnusualDeath, since she was now "out of the way"]]. All for being the recipient of Hajime's affections instead of Nagito.
** Chiaki gets off easy compared to Munakata, Chisa and Juzo. Whichever one isn't shipped with the other two will more often than not have every single flaw played up, to the point one would think Munakata is a selfish and power-hungry dictator instead of a WellIntentionedExtremist, Chisa a harpy and a {{Yandere}} who exists solely for Munakata instead of TheHeart, and Juzo a bloodthirsty brute who (guess what) only lusts after Chisa [[AmbiguouslyGay and/or]] Munakata instead of a hot-headed and gruff but loyal man. This is despite the three of them canonically being very close and Juzo [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy putting Munakata and Chisa's happiness before his own]].
13th Oct '16 10:41:48 AM Psyga315
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** ''Anime/DigimonAdventureTri'' restarted the ship wars as soon as it was released. The newest addition to the Digidestined, [[{{Meganekko}} Meiko]] [[ShrinkingViolet Mochizuki]], not only got MarySue accusations flung at her but she was also bashed for getting along with Taichi, which immediately sent the Taichi/Yamato and Taichi/Sora fans into screaming fits.

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** ''Anime/DigimonAdventureTri'' restarted the ship wars as soon as it was released. The newest addition to the Digidestined, [[{{Meganekko}} Meiko]] [[ShrinkingViolet Mochizuki]], not only got MarySue accusations flung at her but she was also bashed for getting along with Taichi, which immediately sent the Taichi/Yamato and Taichi/Sora fans into screaming fits. As for Davis/Kari/TK? Well, the writers simply cut the middleman and [[TheWorfEffect killed Davis off]] and [[ForgottenFallenFriend made TK and Kari pretend he didn't exist]].
21st Sep '16 10:42:20 PM AnneOfCleves
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* While the Ship Wars have calmed down considerably, the ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' fandom spent some time being a major headache:

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* While the Ship Wars have calmed down considerably, the ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' fandom spent some time being a major headache:



** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has suffered enough in-series.]]

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** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), continuity]], but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has [[BreakTheCutie suffered enough in-series.enough]] in that series.]]
21st Sep '16 10:35:50 PM AnneOfCleves
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** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime anime]] also had Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noa), with Ed/Roy vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al in a side war. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noa (who is already TheScrappy).

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** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime anime]] also had Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noa), with Ed/Roy vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al in a side war. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noa (who is already TheScrappy).
21st Sep '16 10:34:47 PM AnneOfCleves
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** ** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime anime]] also had Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noa). Ed/Noah), with Ed/Roy vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al in a side war. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noa Noah (who is already TheScrappy). It doesn't help that Winry has an IdenticalGrandchild, and Ed is wearing automail, in an OVA; and a vaguely canon OVA that takes place in modern times.

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** ** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime anime]] also had Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noa). Ed/Noah), Ed/Noa), with Ed/Roy vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al in a side war. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noa Noah (who is already TheScrappy). It doesn't help that Winry has an IdenticalGrandchild, and Ed is wearing automail, in an OVA; and a vaguely canon OVA that takes place in modern times.
21st Sep '16 10:32:24 PM AnneOfCleves
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** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] had bigger wars then the manga. There was Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noah), Ed/Roy vs Ed/Alfons vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al vs Ed/Winry. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noah (who is already TheScrappy). It doesn't help that Winry has an IdenticalGrandchild, and Ed is wearing automail, in a vaguely canon OVA that takes place in modern times which stumps fans. [[spoiler:Did Ed or Al marry Winry's counterpart? Did Winry somehow make it past the Gate and pair up with either brother?]] To make matters worse [[spoiler:Winry and Roy most likely have {{i dentical stranger}}s in the AlternateUniverse (and in fact official art confirms Roy has one).]] In contrast to Alfons and Alphonse, [[spoiler:they're portrayed as a [[ReplacementScrappy negative]], inferior ReplacementGoldfish to Edward]] which creates an absurdity where fans are essentially going against their own ship.

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** ** The [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime anime]] also had bigger wars then the manga. There was Ed/Winry vs Ed/Rose (and slight Ed/Noa). Ed/Noah), with Ed/Roy vs Ed/Alfons vs Ed/Envy vs Ed/Al vs Ed/Winry. in a side war. Ed/Win and Ed/Rose fans don't have much of a liking toward the rival character - and frequently bashed her or killed her off in their fanfiction - but both seem to dislike Noa Noah (who is already TheScrappy). It doesn't help that Winry has an IdenticalGrandchild, and Ed is wearing automail, in an OVA; and a vaguely canon OVA that takes place in modern times which stumps fans. [[spoiler:Did Ed or Al marry Winry's counterpart? Did Winry somehow make it past the Gate and pair up with either brother?]] To make matters worse [[spoiler:Winry and Roy most likely have {{i dentical stranger}}s in the AlternateUniverse (and in fact official art confirms Roy has one).]] In contrast to Alfons and Alphonse, [[spoiler:they're portrayed as a [[ReplacementScrappy negative]], inferior ReplacementGoldfish to Edward]] which creates an absurdity where fans are essentially going against their own ship.times.
15th Sep '16 12:41:33 PM Jake18
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** Several Shinji/Rei shippers love to [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] Asuka from a {{Tsundere}} [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex with deep-seated psychological issues]] to an outright [[{{Yandere}} psycho]]. There are also Shinji/Asuka fics in which Rei is either a soulless zombie, creepier than Kaworu, or [[Fanfic/NobodyDies just too crazy awesome]] (albeit is rare seeing Rei bashed in a S/A fic, whereas Asuka bashing often happens in S/R fics).

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** Several Shinji/Rei shippers love to [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] Asuka from a {{Tsundere}} [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex with deep-seated psychological issues]] to an outright [[{{Yandere}} psycho]]. There are also Shinji/Asuka fics in which Rei is either a soulless zombie, creepier than Kaworu, or [[Fanfic/NobodyDies just too crazy awesome]] (albeit is it's rare seeing Rei bashed in a S/A fic, whereas Asuka bashing often happens in S/R fics).
11th Aug '16 11:03:55 PM Anddrix
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** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreaker to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has suffered enough in-series.]]

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** Winry and Riza are likely spared because they are generally popular characters even for those who aren't into shipping them. Rose is a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with - especially in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]], the canon where she's important enough to be a "threat" to the other two main Ed ships - which is likely why she's the most popular candidate for DieForOurShip. She's simply less mentioned now because she had such a smaller role in [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga and second anime continuity]] (which also has less BreakTheCutie in store for her), but when the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist first anime]] was still the most well-known work, she was a frequent whipping girl in Roy/Ed and (especially) Ed/Win fics. Rose hate was really popular [[spoiler:nevermind that the poor girl has suffered enough in-series.]]



** Jellal is something of a BaseBreaker to begin with, but he gets a lot of crap from some Natsu/Erza fans, who like to ignore the tiny little detail that all the horrible stuff he did in the beginning was while he was under the influence of brainwashing and possession by an evil spirit after being horrifically tortured.

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** Jellal is something of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with, but he gets a lot of crap from some Natsu/Erza fans, who like to ignore the tiny little detail that all the horrible stuff he did in the beginning was while he was under the influence of brainwashing and possession by an evil spirit after being horrifically tortured.
10th Aug '16 6:02:39 PM sorako
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** Ren Kougyoku, in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere and a Yandere (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well. Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.

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** Ren Kougyoku, in addition to getting flack and hate for [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being girly and/or for not being (supposedly) as badass/strong as Morgiana or other girls]], [[KickTheDog separating Ugo from Aladdin]], and being a Type A Tsundere {{Tsundere}} and a Yandere {{Yandere}} (temporarily for comic relief), is also bashed (usually by [[HoYay Sinbad x Jafar]] and [[FoeYay Sinbad x Judal]] shippers) for having a crush on/falling in love with [[MrFanservice Sinbad]] and is seen as pathetic by the very same shippers for being obsessed with/in love with someone who isn't interested in her. This ignores the fact that [[spoiler: [[UnrequitedTragicMaiden she knows and admits]] that Sinbad doesn't return her feelings and she likely doesn't have a chance with him]] ''and'' how she has [[LonelyRichKid severe]] [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and genuine]] [[NoSocialSkills issues]] as well. Not to mention this can be seen as a DoubleStandard as Kougyoku is despised for, supposedly, being obsessed with Sinbad, meanwhile Judal, the {{Bishounen}} ''male'' villain, who is actually, [[InLoveWithYourCarnage psychotically, and completely obsessed with the handsome king]] not only is adored for his fixation (in spite of it being canonically murderous), he's frequently shipped with him.
10th Aug '16 6:01:11 PM sorako
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* Being a harem series, ''{{Sekirei}}'' is not immune to this even with strong themes of TrueCompanions and the stated desire of the MarryThemAll solution. Musubi gets this for being the primary heroine, an IdiotHero, and supposedly in the way of whichever member of Minato's harem is preferred. It isn't unusual to find fanfiction where she is killed off, written out of the harem, or completely ignored. The other primary target is Mikogami Hayato, because he is a very real stumbling block to the FanPreferredCouple of [[FoeYayShipping Minato and Akitsu]]. Discussion of his impending death and Akitsu running off to join Minato's harem occurs literally every single time a new chapter is released.

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* Being a harem series, ''{{Sekirei}}'' ''Manga/{{Sekirei}}'' is not immune to this even with strong themes of TrueCompanions and the stated desire of the MarryThemAll solution. Musubi gets this for being the primary heroine, an IdiotHero, and supposedly in the way of whichever member of Minato's harem is preferred. It isn't unusual to find fanfiction where she is killed off, written out of the harem, or completely ignored. The other primary target is Mikogami Hayato, because he is a very real stumbling block to the FanPreferredCouple of [[FoeYayShipping Minato and Akitsu]]. Discussion of his impending death and Akitsu running off to join Minato's harem occurs literally every single time a new chapter is released.
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