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15th Jun '16 7:51:49 AM Berrenta
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2nd May '16 6:30:36 AM Ciel12
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* Tropers/{{Ciel12}}: Same moment, but for a slightly different reason. Not only is the AesopAmnesia, but it's out of character and character derailment. When Yami was going to want to go through with potentially killing Kaiba, he was doing it because he felt under pressure to save Yugi's grandfather - in other words, most of his freakouts about losing tend to happen because he takes responsibility and has to fight for something or to protect someone. But that isn't the case here - in fact, by playing the Seal he's putting his friends in danger, since whoever's soul is taken will powerup the Leviathan. This just doesn't make sense as something he would do, and while the English dub has him saying that he must do it, because otherwise 'two worlds will be in peril', there's no clarification of why and no clearly established stakes. What could have been great character development for an invincible character dealing with losing is squandered as his reason for playing the Seal is never clarified, and unlike the moment in Battle City where he spared Bakura there's no definitive growth/resolution/progression. It's filler cheating its characters (as it does with Mai) for the sake of melodrama pathos.

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* Tropers/{{Ciel12}}: Same moment, but for a slightly different reason. Not only is the AesopAmnesia, but it's out of character and character derailment. When Yami was going to want to go through with potentially killing Kaiba, he was doing it because he felt under pressure to save Yugi's grandfather - in other words, most of his freakouts about losing tend to happen because he takes responsibility and has to fight for something or to protect someone. This also happens way after he grew out of his more gung-ho/illogical tendencies towards winning. But that isn't the case here - in fact, by playing the Seal he's putting his friends in danger, since whoever's soul is taken will powerup the Leviathan. This just doesn't make sense as something he would do, and while the English dub has him saying that he must do it, because otherwise 'two worlds will be in peril', there's no clarification of why and no clearly established stakes. What could have been great character development for an invincible character dealing with losing is squandered as his reason for playing the Seal is never clarified, and unlike the moment in Battle City where he spared Bakura there's no definitive growth/resolution/progression. The Japanese implies he does it to prove that he doesn't have darkness in his heart and wasn't an evil Pharaoh, but this goes against earlier characterisation since he hasn't denied the possibility that he could have been a bad person in the past in previous episodes. When Marik confronts him about his family, he immediately assumes it's his fault and he did something bad to Marik's family in the past based on little evidence. A lot of my problem here is the Japanese making out like Yami is on the edge of being a villain because of his arrogance, when it's blatantly obvious that he is, at heart, an anti-''hero''. He has taken responsibility for things he didn't have to previously, and while he can be overconfident and push his beliefs on others, he doesn't have Kaiba levels of arrogance or refuse to admit wrongdoing on his part. It's filler cheating its characters (as it does with Mai) for the sake of melodrama pathos.
24th Apr '16 6:49:45 AM Loekman3
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\n* Loekman3: For me it's how the narrative treats Yami's decision to tribute his monsters for Catapult Turtle's effect damage against Rafael. It's somehow treated as an evil move when he does it but the thing is, no matter how much the series tries to treat it, Duel Monsters is still just a card game and in real life, it's a legitimate tactic if you want to inflict the last amount of life points to your opponent. Furthermore, what could Yami do during the three turns of no attacking aside from the method in the duel? Sit down and do nothing while his opponent has three free turns of doing anything he wants? Chances are by the time those turns passed Rafael would potentially drew a winning card that would have caused the Pharaoh to lose his soul. He only lost because of a lucky draw that somehow manages to turn the Pharaoh's strategy against him. There may be other moments of ProtagonistCenteredMorality but none are as blatant as this one.
22nd Mar '16 2:25:31 PM MagBas
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* Tropers/LilyNadesico: The ending of Season 3, where [[StalkerWithACrush Yubel]] pulls a complete KarmaHoudini and gets to be reunited with Judai, and Judai promises to only love him/her for all time - [[TheBadGuyWins which is exactly what Yubel wanted]]. Well, isn't this the greatest EsotericHappyEnding I've ever seen? Screw the FreudianExcuse, in my mind Yubel is an unsympathetic villain and Judai should have rejected him/her with no question asked, perhaps even throwing a ShutUpHannibal at him/her. Season 3 was already not doing well in my book with the girls' {{Chickification}}, the debut of [[CreatorsPet Johan]] and Hell Kaiser's own KarmaHoudini, and that was the absolute nadir.


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* Tropers/LilyNadesico: The ending of Season 3, where [[StalkerWithACrush Yubel]] pulls a complete KarmaHoudini and gets to be reunited with Judai, and Judai promises to only love him/her for all time - [[TheBadGuyWins which is exactly what Yubel wanted]]. Well, isn't this the greatest EsotericHappyEnding I've ever seen? Screw the FreudianExcuse, in my mind Yubel is an unsympathetic villain and Judai should have rejected him/her with no question asked, perhaps even throwing a ShutUpHannibal at him/her. Season 3 was already not doing well in my book with the girls' {{Chickification}}, the debut of [[CreatorsPet Johan]] and Hell Kaiser's own KarmaHoudini, and that was the absolute nadir.

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4th Mar '16 6:41:48 PM Retloclive
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* Retloclive: Yusei vs. Kalin (Kiryu)'s first duel ending because Yusei's D-Wheel falls apart before Kalin's winning attack was as lame as it gets to make sure that the hero can't lose a duel involved with the main story. This should have easily been Yusei's first legitimate loss, but ends up counting as an unfinished duel...PlotArmor at its worst.
2nd Feb '16 6:15:57 AM bubblesishot46853
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* Tropers/{{bubblesishot46853}}: The Arc League Championship is about to begin, and the kid trio are participating in their own division! Surely, we can expect lots of character development from them and see what cards they run. Oh look, Frederick won his duel easily, and now it's Ally's turn, and she's going up against a new character we know nothing about...what? She lost? Well, ain't that dandy. Not only did another favorite character of mine lose right when a tournament begins again, but she lost to a character with no buildup other than a mention that he's Declan's younger brother. To make matters worse, he ends up winning the Youth Division, being selected for the Lancers, and continues to floor every duelist who comes his way. It's like Riley is a bad fanfiction's Mary Sue Self-Insert come to life, and is the reason why he is my most hated character in Arc-V. I hope that he suffers a crushing defeat, and maybe get turned into a card, because that's what he deserves. The only plus side is that at least this pitiful first duel brought Ally's cards to the real game. Besides that, I just wanna comfort poor Ally and tell her she'll win next time.
12th Jan '16 8:56:11 AM Ciel12
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* Tropers/{{Ciel12}}: Same moment, but for a slightly different reason. Not only is the AesopAmnesia, but it's entirely out of character and character derailment. When Yami was going to want to go through with potentially killing Kaiba, he was doing it because he felt under pressure to save Yugi's grandfather - in other words, most of his freakouts about losing tend to happen because he takes responsibility and has to fight for something or to protect someone. But that isn't the case here - in fact, by playing the Seal he's putting his friends in danger, since whoever's soul is taken will powerup the Leviathan. This just doesn't make sense as something he would do, and while the English dub has him saying that he must do it, because otherwise 'two worlds will be in peril', there's no clarification of why. Even if he beats Raphael once, it isn't like the biker will just magically stop doing Dartz's bidding. Worse still, the rest of the arc is never handled that we can understand this moment, as various characters accuse him of being power-hungry or full of rage, but there's no definitive growth, no satisfying resolution, and no proportionate retribution to any of it. Unlike Battle City, there's no sign of progression from this point.

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* Tropers/{{Ciel12}}: Same moment, but for a slightly different reason. Not only is the AesopAmnesia, but it's entirely out of character and character derailment. When Yami was going to want to go through with potentially killing Kaiba, he was doing it because he felt under pressure to save Yugi's grandfather - in other words, most of his freakouts about losing tend to happen because he takes responsibility and has to fight for something or to protect someone. But that isn't the case here - in fact, by playing the Seal he's putting his friends in danger, since whoever's soul is taken will powerup the Leviathan. This just doesn't make sense as something he would do, and while the English dub has him saying that he must do it, because otherwise 'two worlds will be in peril', there's no clarification of why. Even if he beats Raphael once, it isn't like why and no clearly established stakes. What could have been great character development for an invincible character dealing with losing is squandered as his reason for playing the biker will just magically stop doing Dartz's bidding. Worse still, the rest of the arc Seal is never handled that we can understand this moment, as various characters accuse him of being power-hungry or full of rage, but clarified, and unlike the moment in Battle City where he spared Bakura there's no definitive growth, no satisfying resolution, and no proportionate retribution to any growth/resolution/progression. It's filler cheating its characters (as it does with Mai) for the sake of it. Unlike Battle City, there's no sign of progression from this point. melodrama pathos.
6th Jan '16 7:12:09 AM Willbyr
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* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: Speaking of Joey, the [[{{Filler}} KaibaCorp Grand Prix]] treats him even worse as he becomes the butt of a joke based on a card in Yugi's deck (which even [[WithFriendsLikeThese his friends]] laugh about). Even worse, in the tournament, his [[CantCatchUp decline]] continues as he loses within the second round (I know it was to the BigBad of this arc, but still, Joey was supposed to have become incredibly strong post Battle City, and the arc's BigBad wasn't the kind of person who should be flooring him that easily) of the tournament (he won the first round against Yugi's Grandpa, which may bring up a debate whether he let him win or not). It's bad enough he was already made into [[OvershadowedByAwesome the]] [[DragonBall Krillin]] of ''Yu-Gi-Oh'', but now the [[ButtMonkey Ya]][[FailureHero mc]][[TheWorfEffect ha]] as well? Make you wonder if Joey's treatment is to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to Kaiba's fanbase]]. Protip, writers: When you make a character into the second-most important person in the series, you must treat him accordingly. You don't give him second chair to fucking Seto.

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* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: Speaking of Joey, the [[{{Filler}} KaibaCorp Grand Prix]] treats him even worse as he becomes the butt of a joke based on a card in Yugi's deck (which even [[WithFriendsLikeThese his friends]] laugh about). Even worse, in the tournament, his [[CantCatchUp decline]] continues as he loses within the second round (I know it was to the BigBad of this arc, but still, Joey was supposed to have become incredibly strong post Battle City, and the arc's BigBad wasn't the kind of person who should be flooring him that easily) of the tournament (he won the first round against Yugi's Grandpa, which may bring up a debate whether he let him win or not). It's bad enough he was already made into [[OvershadowedByAwesome the]] [[DragonBall [[Franchise/DragonBall Krillin]] of ''Yu-Gi-Oh'', but now the [[ButtMonkey Ya]][[FailureHero mc]][[TheWorfEffect ha]] as well? Make you wonder if Joey's treatment is to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to Kaiba's fanbase]]. Protip, writers: When you make a character into the second-most important person in the series, you must treat him accordingly. You don't give him second chair to fucking Seto.
7th Jul '15 10:49:29 PM Awesomekid42
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* Tropers/{{Awesomekid42}}: In episode 45, Sora and Kurosaki begin their rematch duel. This was something to be hyped for, being an opportunity to see new cards from both of them, and have a good follow up duel. What happens in it? They skip to the final turn in episode 47 with Sora winning. This is a major disappointment. We did get to see some new cards from both of them, but this not only came off as incredibly lazy, but a duel that many have been looking forward to was completely denied. To rub more salt in the wound, both Sora and Shun are panting in exhaustion before the final turn telling us that it must have been much more difficult for Shun than the last duel was.

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* Tropers/{{Awesomekid42}}: In episode 45, Sora and Kurosaki begin their rematch duel. This was something to be hyped for, being an opportunity to see new cards from both of them, and have a good follow up duel. What happens in it? They After the two turns shown in episode 45, the writers skip to the final turn in episode 47 with Sora winning.winning, with no other parts of the duel being shown. This is a major disappointment. We did get to see some new cards from both of them, but this not only came off as incredibly lazy, but a duel that many have been looking forward to was completely denied. To rub more salt in the wound, both Sora and Shun are panting in exhaustion before the final turn telling us that it must have been much more difficult for Shun than the last duel was.
7th Jul '15 10:46:17 PM Awesomekid42
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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: In episode 45, Sora and Kurosaki begin their rematch duel. This was something to be hyped for, being an opportunity to see new cards from both of them, and have a good follow up duel. What happens in it? They skip to the final turn in episode 47 with Sora winning. This is a major disappointment. We did get to see some new cards from both of them, but this not only came off as incredibly lazy, but a duel that many have been looking forward to was completely denied. To rub more salt in the wound, both Sora and Shun are panting in exhaustion before the final turn telling us that it must have been much more difficult for Shun than the last duel was.

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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: Tropers/{{Awesomekid42}}: In episode 45, Sora and Kurosaki begin their rematch duel. This was something to be hyped for, being an opportunity to see new cards from both of them, and have a good follow up duel. What happens in it? They skip to the final turn in episode 47 with Sora winning. This is a major disappointment. We did get to see some new cards from both of them, but this not only came off as incredibly lazy, but a duel that many have been looking forward to was completely denied. To rub more salt in the wound, both Sora and Shun are panting in exhaustion before the final turn telling us that it must have been much more difficult for Shun than the last duel was.
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