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11th Apr '17 10:23:58 AM dannylightninglightner
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** Tropers/{{dannylightninglightner}}: This episode has a dethroning moment for me, as well. Lisa sees Homer and Bart on all fours eating chocolate off of the floor. Lisa has an ImagineSpot of being an overweight, unintelligent adult with many children, and his horrified. She says, "I don't want to turn out that way!" Homer looks up at her and (very sweetly) says, "What way, Angel Pie?" Lisa yells, "Like '''YOU!'''" Yeah, Homer's an overweight slob and not the brightest guy around, but it's been made very clear, since the first season, that he loves his family more than anything and he'd do just about anything to make his daughter happy. This is the same dad who took a demeaning job as a mall santa to give his family a nice holiday when he wasn't given his Christmas bonus, the same dad who once worked his fingers to the bone to let Lisa have a pony, the same dad who '''once attempted suicide''' when he believed that he was a failure to them, the same dad who lovingly comforted his crying daughter when the substitute teacher she'd grown attached to left town, the same dad who constantly encourages Lisa and tells her ''all the time'' that she's beautiful and intelligent. Because Homer affectionately called Lisa "Angel Pie" just before Lisa snapped at him, it made her "like you!" comment seem like a ''major'' KickTheDog moment.
10th Apr '17 11:42:14 AM WildeOscar
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** WildeOscar: The conversation between Marge and the judge at the hearing in that episode makes it look as if all women who choose not to have kids are cold-blooded and bitchy. Not appreciated, guys.
14th Mar '17 11:48:08 AM TheLuckyCat
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* TheLuckyCat: I used to be a big fan of The Simpsons back in the 90's, when I was growing up with it and it was actually, y'know, funny. Over the years I've grown increasingly kind of tired of the Simpsons because they seem more interested in being known for the longest-running TV series ever than producing stuff of quality anymore. A lot of TV shows go through slumps and while I get that, what pissed me off was when the Simpsons started trying to make overt political commentary, like Family Guy and South Park. What finally broke me? When they decided they'd start posting about the UK Referendum that happened back in 2014. That was in incredibly stressful time for me and others that year, the last place I wanted reminded of it was in a fucking beloved cartoon from my childhood. Firstly, it was hypocritical as hell - they had Groundskeeper Willie as their spokesperson! You know, that guy who was written as a OneshotCharacter for one joke, as the stereotypical ViolentGlaswegian? The one who numerously complains about how shit his birth country is, who has been deported as a joke several times and is generally a backwards hick? Yeah, he might be an EnsembleDarkhorse now, but it's still a little goddamn rich. Not to mention afterwards, they had the nerve to release a "sad" drawing, because apparently the majority voters who ''didn't'' want to leave can go fuck themselves? They couldn't have just respected the choice people made? Fuck you, the Simpsons. You haven't been [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant]] in your own country for years, so why did you think your opinion on a subject you know nothing about was wanted or needed? It shows they had absolutely no concern for the feelings of people actually going through said event. They just threw in their opinion on a topic that had nothing to do with them and wouldn't impact them for no reason, sulked at the result and proved they clearly did not care about how anyone else felt. It made me RageQuit a show that had already long ago JumpedTheShark for good.

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7th Mar '17 4:53:27 AM SorPepita
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* Tropers/{{Kaitroper}}: There's plenty of episodes that are cringeworthy, but the one that takes the cake for me is "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS27E9Barthood Barthood]]", I like Bart, any insight into his character is welcome, and there is a lot of good on the episode. It has some heartwarming if not gutwrenching moments, but the episode has Marge at her lowest, Homer at his shallowest, and Lisa in her full Mary Sue glory -not to mention Frink being the worst teacher ever-. The ending was the specific time when I finally gave up. Instead of this being the one possible time when Lisa could start to redeem herself and not have things go her way for once, nooooo we get just more character shilling. She could have been humbled right there and have her realize how utterly arrogant and selfish she's been and apologize for a lifetime of being an unsufferable spotlight hogging prick, but it seems Bart has to be the bigger man and spare her fragile psyche even when he is in the right. I mean he has been some kind of woobie for a while, but now he has crossed over into masochist love martyr; as much as he resents Lisa, he still feels the need to protect her and spare her any pain. Really, this was the right wake up call for Lisa, to have her realize she is an hypocritical manipulative shrew, but no, Bart had to go out and rescue her yet again.

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* Tropers/{{Kaitroper}}: There's plenty of episodes that are cringeworthy, but the one that takes the cake for me is "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS27E9Barthood Barthood]]", Barthood]]". I like Bart, any insight into his character is welcome, and there is a lot of good on the episode. It has some heartwarming if not gutwrenching moments, but the episode has Marge at her lowest, Homer at his shallowest, and Lisa in her full Mary Sue glory -not to mention Frink being the worst teacher ever-. The ending was the specific time when I finally gave up. Instead of this being the one possible time when Lisa could start to redeem herself and not have things go her way for once, nooooo we get just more character shilling. She could have been humbled right there and have her realize how utterly arrogant and selfish she's been and apologize for a lifetime of being an unsufferable spotlight hogging prick, but it seems Bart has to be the bigger man and spare her fragile psyche even when he is in the right. I mean he has been some kind of woobie for a while, but now he has crossed over into masochist love martyr; as much as he resents Lisa, he still feels the need to protect her and spare her any pain. Really, this was the right wake up call for Lisa, to have her realize she is an hypocritical manipulative shrew, but no, Bart had to go out and rescue her yet again.
28th Feb '17 8:23:30 AM SorPepita
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* Tropers/{{Yellow-Spider-Kitty}}: "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS22E15TheScorpionsTale The Scorpion's Tale]]" is mostly a mediocre and dull Grandpa episode. What makes the episode out right bad for me is the twist where [[spoiler: The Silvertongue flower used to make the seniors calm down makes their eyes pop out the sockets!]] pure NightmareFuel.

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* Tropers/{{Yellow-Spider-Kitty}}: "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS22E15TheScorpionsTale The Scorpion's Tale]]" is mostly a mediocre and dull Grandpa episode. What makes the episode out right bad for me is the twist where [[spoiler: The Silvertongue flower used to make the seniors calm down makes their eyes pop out the sockets!]] pure Pure NightmareFuel.



* Tropers/{{Kaitroper}}: There's plenty of episodes that are cringeworthy,but the one that takes the cake for me is "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS27E9Barthood Barthood]]", I like Bart, any insight into his character is welcome, and there is a lot of good on the episode. It has some heartwarming if not gutwrenching moments, but the episode has Marge at her lowest, Homer at his shallowest, and Lisa in her full Mary Sue glory -not to mention Frink being the worst teacher ever-. The ending was the specific time when I finally gave up. Instead of this being the one possible time when Lisa could start to redeem herself and not have things go her way for once, nooooo we get just more character shilling. She could have been humbled right there and have her realize how utterly arrogant and selfish she's been and apologize for a lifetime of being an unsufferable spotlight hogging prick, but it seems Barth has to be the bigger man and spare her fragile psyche even when he is in the right. I mean he has been some kind of woobie for a while, but now he has crossed over into masochist love martyr, as much as he resents Lisa, he still feels the need to protect her and spare her any pain. Really, this was the right wake up call for Lisa, to have her realize she is an hypocritical manipulative shrew, but no, Bart had to go out and rescue her yet again.

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* Tropers/{{Kaitroper}}: There's plenty of episodes that are cringeworthy,but cringeworthy, but the one that takes the cake for me is "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS27E9Barthood Barthood]]", I like Bart, any insight into his character is welcome, and there is a lot of good on the episode. It has some heartwarming if not gutwrenching moments, but the episode has Marge at her lowest, Homer at his shallowest, and Lisa in her full Mary Sue glory -not to mention Frink being the worst teacher ever-. The ending was the specific time when I finally gave up. Instead of this being the one possible time when Lisa could start to redeem herself and not have things go her way for once, nooooo we get just more character shilling. She could have been humbled right there and have her realize how utterly arrogant and selfish she's been and apologize for a lifetime of being an unsufferable spotlight hogging prick, but it seems Barth Bart has to be the bigger man and spare her fragile psyche even when he is in the right. I mean he has been some kind of woobie for a while, but now he has crossed over into masochist love martyr, martyr; as much as he resents Lisa, he still feels the need to protect her and spare her any pain. Really, this was the right wake up call for Lisa, to have her realize she is an hypocritical manipulative shrew, but no, Bart had to go out and rescue her yet again.
28th Feb '17 8:19:00 AM SorPepita
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* Tropers/{{Yellow-Spider-Kitty}}: "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS22E15TheScorpionsTale The Scorpion's Tale]]" is mostly a medicore and dull Grandpa episode. What makes the episode out right bad for me is the twist where [[spoiler: The Silvertongue flower used to make the seniors calm down makes their eyes pop out the sockets!]] pure NightmareFuel.

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* Tropers/{{Yellow-Spider-Kitty}}: "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS22E15TheScorpionsTale The Scorpion's Tale]]" is mostly a medicore mediocre and dull Grandpa episode. What makes the episode out right bad for me is the twist where [[spoiler: The Silvertongue flower used to make the seniors calm down makes their eyes pop out the sockets!]] pure NightmareFuel.
28th Feb '17 8:06:23 AM SorPepita
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** thetoonamirose: Really, just the very fact that all those people would drive a little boy to suicide like that over [[EvilIsPetty missing a single ball]]. A. single. ball. That was the moment that made me realize that 99% of the characters lost all their likability and would go down in history as some of the most heinous animated characters of all time, possibly just as bad as [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Sho Tucker]] or even freaking [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Judge Claud Frollo]].

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** thetoonamirose: Really, just the very fact that all those people would drive a little boy to suicide like that over [[EvilIsPetty missing a single ball]]. A. single. ball. That was the moment that made me realize that 99% of the characters lost all their likability and would go down in history as some of the most heinous animated characters of all time, possibly just as bad as [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Sho Tucker]] or even freaking [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Judge Claud Claude Frollo]].
28th Feb '17 8:02:38 AM SorPepita
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* Diego Salvati: I'm surprised nobody pointed out "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS15E6TodayIAmAClown Today I Am a Clown]]" earlier. Again, the source is Lisa, and for me, this episode was one of the two that cemented her as an insufferable self-righteous pain in the ass. To sum it up, Homer becomes famous and successfull as a talk show host after Krusty hires him as a replacement while he goes through his Bar Mitzvah. He doesn't do anything wrong in any way, just focusing his show on trivial stuff average people can relate to, and hiring his friends (Moe, Lenny and Carl to co-host the show with him. Then Lisa shows up, tells him that now that he's a famous TV personality he HAS to talk about important stuff (for her) and guilt-trips him with puppy eyes. And Homer complies. To nobody's surprise, the show fails miserably after that, and Bart accurately points out that Homer shouldn't have listened to Lisa. Does Lisa feel guilty about ruining his father's brief TV career (and the family's better future, since Homer would get richer)? No. She feels good that Homer ruined everything he enjoyed just to do what she said. At this point I think the creators are actually using Lisa to screw with the audience, knowing the viewers hate her, and thus adding more of her interventions just to piss them off.

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* Diego Salvati: I'm surprised nobody pointed out "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS15E6TodayIAmAClown Today I Am a Clown]]" earlier. Again, the source is Lisa, and for me, this episode was one of the two that cemented her as an insufferable self-righteous pain in the ass. To sum it up, Homer becomes famous and successfull successful as a talk show host after Krusty hires him as a replacement while he goes through his Bar Mitzvah. He doesn't do anything wrong in any way, just focusing his show on trivial stuff average people can relate to, and hiring his friends (Moe, Lenny and Carl Carl) to co-host the show with him. Then Lisa shows up, tells him that now that he's a famous TV personality he HAS to talk about important stuff (for her) stuff and guilt-trips him with puppy eyes. And Homer complies. To nobody's surprise, the show fails miserably after that, and Bart accurately points out that Homer shouldn't have listened to Lisa. Does Lisa feel guilty about ruining his father's brief TV career (and the family's better future, since Homer would get richer)? No. She feels good that Homer ruined everything he enjoyed just to do what she said. At this point I think the creators are actually using Lisa to screw with the audience, knowing the viewers hate her, and thus adding more of her interventions just to piss them off.
28th Feb '17 7:50:08 AM SorPepita
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* [=MissConduct=]: What about the despicable "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS15E9IAnnoyedGruntBot I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot]]"? That episode was traumatic for me to watch as a young child! Did they really need to put the most violent sub-plot (Homer getting mangled by robots in the robot-fighting arena) and the most morbid subplot (Lisa's cats dying in quick succession) in the same episode? The Lisa sub-plot was horrible on so many levels - as a cat person, I'm used to the Simpsons being anti-cat, what with all the Itchy & Scratchy and whatnot, but this just made me feel horrible. And it felt insulting to poor Lisa too - one of the cats kills itself to get away from her music - as much as Lisa's become less tolerable over the years, she still deserves better. And the A-Plot has to be one of the worst Homer/Bart stories ever too - Homer gets himself maimed repeatedly for Bart's silly competition? Bart even points out in the episode the Homer is the sole breadwinner for the Simpson family, putting himself in serious danger for something so trivial? And the audience boos him when he wins for his son! This episode is just soul-crushing and the bottom of the dark age of the series. This easily could have been a ''Family Guy'' episode, and I watch the Simpsons to not have it be ''Family Guy''!

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* [=MissConduct=]: What about the despicable "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS15E9IAnnoyedGruntBot I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot]]"? That episode was traumatic for me to watch as a young child! Did they really need to put the most violent sub-plot (Homer getting mangled by robots in the robot-fighting arena) and the most morbid subplot (Lisa's cats dying in quick succession) in the same episode? The Lisa sub-plot was horrible on so many levels - as a cat person, I'm used to the Simpsons being anti-cat, what with all the Itchy & Scratchy and whatnot, but this just made me feel horrible. And it felt insulting to poor Lisa too - one of the cats kills itself to get away from her music - as much as Lisa's become less tolerable over the years, she still deserves better. And the A-Plot has to be one of the worst Homer/Bart stories ever too - Homer gets himself maimed repeatedly for Bart's silly competition? Bart even points out in the episode the that Homer is the sole breadwinner for the Simpson family, putting himself in serious danger for something so trivial? And the audience boos him when he wins for his son! This episode is just soul-crushing and the bottom of the dark age of the series. This easily could have been a ''Family Guy'' episode, and I watch the Simpsons to not have it be ''Family Guy''!
28th Feb '17 7:33:20 AM SorPepita
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* Tropers/LunaVeg87: I'm surprised that "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS12E16ByeByeNerdie Bye Bye Nerdie]]" hasn't gotten an entry yet (I suppose it's because Lisa gets beaten up in this episode, and she happens to be the fandom's favorite whipping post... go figure). But yes, this episode by far marks the Dethroning moment for me. The episode starts with a new girl, Francine, coming to Springfield Elementary. Since she seems shy, Lisa tries to befriend her, and Francine promptly punches her out. Throughout the episode, Lisa and other smart kids are targets of [[TheBully Francine's]] abuse, and Lisa tries to figure out why. Fair enough, but the truly disgusting moment occurs at the end, with Lisa's discover: apparently, [[ArtisticLicenseBiology nerds and other brainy people emit a pheromone that entices bullies to attack them]]. [[VictimBlaming In other words,]] [[UnfortunateImplications nerds are biologically programmed to bullied and abused through their mere existence]]. [[DudeNotFunny And the episode just ends with Francine whaling on a bunch of scientists.]] Pardon me if I can't excuse this because of RuleOfFunny, but it's not funny to me, as a person who was bullied throughout most of school, [[NotGoodWithPeople and]] [[BrokenBird developed psychological]] [[BrokenAce issues from it]] [[HarsherInHindsight (it's even worse now, since there are kids who have been literally]] DrivenToSuicide [[DudeNotFunny because of bullying]]. Yeah... not a good episode.

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* Tropers/LunaVeg87: I'm surprised that "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS12E16ByeByeNerdie Bye Bye Nerdie]]" hasn't gotten an entry yet (I suppose it's because Lisa gets beaten up in this episode, and she happens to be the fandom's favorite whipping post... go figure). But yes, this episode by far marks the Dethroning moment for me. The episode starts with a new girl, Francine, coming to Springfield Elementary. Since she seems shy, Lisa tries to befriend her, and Francine promptly punches her out. Throughout the episode, Lisa and other smart kids are targets of [[TheBully Francine's]] abuse, and Lisa tries to figure out why. Fair enough, but the truly disgusting moment occurs at the end, with Lisa's discover: discovery: apparently, [[ArtisticLicenseBiology nerds and other brainy people emit a pheromone that entices bullies to attack them]]. [[VictimBlaming In other words,]] [[UnfortunateImplications nerds are biologically programmed to bullied and abused through their mere existence]]. [[DudeNotFunny And the episode just ends with Francine whaling on a bunch of scientists.]] Pardon me if I can't excuse this because of RuleOfFunny, but it's not funny to me, as a person who was bullied throughout most of school, [[NotGoodWithPeople and]] [[BrokenBird developed psychological]] [[BrokenAce issues from it]] [[HarsherInHindsight (it's even worse now, since there are kids who have been literally]] DrivenToSuicide [[DudeNotFunny because of bullying]].bullying]]). Yeah... not a good episode.
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