History DethroningMoment / PokemonAnime

21st Feb '17 5:16:58 PM CerotechOmega
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* Tropers/TheFarmboy: An episode that rubbed me the wrong way was the episode "Pokemon Scent-sation", where they were in Celedon City. When Ash started to say some slanderous things about perfume, Erika comes in to give Ash a verbal chewing. Fair enough, but then we learned that [[DisproportionateRetribution she banned Ash from entering the gym.]] Really now? An adult woman barring a ten year old because he insulted her perfume. That just makes her sound like a twelve year old on Website/{{Deviantart}}. Plus I [[CharacterDerailment do no think Erika would act that way in the game]]. Shame that is the same episode that gives us [[FunnyMoments a cross-dressing Ash.]]

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* Tropers/TheFarmboy: An episode that rubbed me the wrong way was the episode "Pokemon Scent-sation", where they were in Celedon City. When Ash started to say some slanderous things about perfume, Erika comes in to give Ash a verbal chewing. Fair enough, but then we learned that [[DisproportionateRetribution she banned Ash from entering the gym.]] Really now? An adult woman barring a ten year old because he insulted her perfume. That just makes her sound like a twelve year old on Website/{{Deviantart}}. Plus I [[CharacterDerailment do no not think Erika would act that way in the game]]. Shame that is the same episode that gives us [[FunnyMoments a cross-dressing Ash.]]



* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in pseudo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Well, Mr. Stuck-Up Reporter, who do you think trained that [[PrecisionFStrike GODDAMN]] Pikachu?! The pathetic novice, that's who! Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.

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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' really bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' are related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''.him, and loudly at that.. You even see him wind up in pseudo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' still cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Well, Mr. Stuck-Up Reporter, who do you think trained that [[PrecisionFStrike GODDAMN]] goddamn]] Pikachu?! The pathetic novice, that's who! Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.



*** {{@/Psyga315}}: I have to agree with ''everything'' mentioned above. The battle with Tobias is so blatant and contrived of a DiabolusExMachina that it made the battle with Ritchie and even ''Cameron'' look naturally written. It's convinced me that there'll be at least ''some'' MarySue ready to deny Ash his victory at the league. Also, I wanna point out how ironic that this took place in a season called "Sinnoh League Victors". Like the writing staff were well aware that they were cheating Ash out of his moment and by extension, the viewers.

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*** {{@/Psyga315}}: I have to agree with ''everything'' everything mentioned above. The battle with Tobias is so blatant and contrived of a DiabolusExMachina that it made the battle battles with Ritchie and even ''Cameron'' Cameron look naturally written. It's convinced me that there'll be at least ''some'' some MarySue ready to deny Ash his victory at the league. Also, I wanna point out how ironic that this took place in a season called "Sinnoh League Victors". Like the writing staff were well aware that they were cheating Ash out of his moment and by extension, the viewers.



*** Darkrage6: It's getting tiresome seeing Ash repeatedly losing the league every single generation (barring Orange League and Battle Frontier) but having him lose to a complete moron like Cameron in only the top 8 without even getting to see his whole team was a new low for the franchise. It's a small consolation that Virgil beat Cameron, I know some people consider Virgil TheScrappy, but at least he's actually a competent trainer whose wins felt legitimate rather then caused by sheer dumb luck in the case of Cameron, it would've been a lot ''less'' painful had Ash made it to the final two and lost against him rather than Cameron.

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*** Darkrage6: It's getting tiresome seeing Ash repeatedly losing the league every single generation (barring Orange League and Battle Frontier) but having him lose to a complete moron like Cameron in only the top 8 without even getting to see his whole team was a new low for the franchise. It's a small consolation that Virgil beat Cameron, I know some people consider Virgil TheScrappy, but at least he's actually a competent trainer whose wins felt legitimate rather then caused by sheer dumb luck in the case of Cameron, it would've been a lot ''less'' less painful had Ash made it to the final two and lost against him rather than Cameron.



* Tropers/{{Pgj1997}}: I love the Pikachu shorts. They're like the WesternAnimation/PixarShorts of anime. They're really fun to watch, and something to look forward to every time a new Pokémon movie comes out. That is except for "Pikachu's Island Adventure". You see, most Pikachu shorts have a NoDialogueEpisode sort of format, where the Pokémon are characterized to the point where there's a nice flowing narrative. Here however, they felt the need to have the narrator translate ''everything'', giving the short no charm whatsoever. Plus, Roger Parson's voice gets grating after a while, added to the fact that he puts little to no variation on the voices he gives the Pokémon. Luckily, this style didn't stick around, but it still took away everything that made the other Pikachu shorts enjoyable in the first place.

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* Tropers/{{Pgj1997}}: I love the Pikachu shorts. They're like the WesternAnimation/PixarShorts of anime. They're really fun to watch, and something to look forward to every time a new Pokémon movie comes out. That is except for "Pikachu's Island Adventure". You see, most Pikachu shorts have a NoDialogueEpisode sort of format, where the Pokémon are characterized to the point where there's a nice flowing narrative. Here however, they felt the need to have the narrator translate ''everything'', everything, giving the short no charm whatsoever. Plus, Roger Parson's voice gets grating after a while, added to the fact that he puts little to no variation on the voices he gives the Pokémon. Luckily, this style didn't stick around, but it still took away everything that made the other Pikachu shorts enjoyable in the first place.
13th Feb '17 4:48:48 AM ShadowAbyss
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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in psuedo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Well, Mr. Stuck-Up Reporter, who do you think trained that [[PrecisionFStrike GODDAMN]] Pikachu?! The pathetic novice, that's who! Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.

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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in psuedo-fetal pseudo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Well, Mr. Stuck-Up Reporter, who do you think trained that [[PrecisionFStrike GODDAMN]] Pikachu?! The pathetic novice, that's who! Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.
10th Feb '17 6:14:01 PM akaun6899
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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in psuedo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.

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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in psuedo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Well, Mr. Stuck-Up Reporter, who do you think trained that [[PrecisionFStrike GODDAMN]] Pikachu?! The pathetic novice, that's who! Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.
10th Feb '17 6:10:46 PM akaun6899
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* akaun6899: The episode "A Double Dilemma", which I recently watched for the first time, left a ''really'' bad taste in my mouth regarding its treatment of Ash. May and Max are recognized by the citizens of Petalburg as Norman's kids, so they get littered with fans. Ash tries to impress them by showing off his badges, but they dismiss him. Okay, fair enough, May and Max ''are'' related to a famous (?) Gym Leader, and Ash is just some kid. Next, two kids challenge Ash to a battle, saying that only those worthy of Norman can battle him. He defeats both of them, as well as tons of challengers coming off those kids. When the two lead citizens (a reporter and a shopowner) take note of this, they make May battle Ash. During this battle, whenever Ash's Taillow succeeds in attacking Torchic, the crowd boos him. '''LOUDLY'''. You even see him wind up in psuedo-fetal position because of the crowd's bias. And then, when Team Rocket is exposed (they were posing as May and her family) and blasted off, the crowd falls in love with Pikachu, while ''still'' cruelly snubbing Ash. The reporter even calls him a pathetic novice. Remarkably, Ash takes it rather well ("At least they like one of us"), but that doesn't excuse how disgusting these characters-of-the-day are. I don't plan on watching this episode again anytime soon.
12th Jan '17 5:21:56 PM MagBas
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* Catalyst375: The absence of AZ from the anime entirety. Normally, unless it is unavoidable, the anime is generally faithful in regards to including characters from the main games into the anime. But for some inexplicable reason, AZ has been left out of the XY anime entirely. Some may argue that it is because AZ's back-story was "too dark" for the Pokemon anime...But seeing AZ in Anime/PokemonGenerations made me realize the true reason why AZ is absent: he would have taken away from the PuritySue brigade of Ash throughout the XY series, as well as Bonnie. One of the most heart-wrenching characters in the original games was removed from the anime because he would have detracted from CharacterShilling and the PuritySue.
23rd Dec '16 1:47:32 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Catalyst375: The absence of AZ from the anime entirety. Normally, unless it is unavoidable, the anime is generally faithful in regards to including characters from the main games into the anime. But for some inexplicable reason, AZ has been left out of the XY anime entirely. Some may argue that it is because AZ's back-story was "too dark" for the Pokemon anime...But seeing AZ in PokemonGenerations made me realize the true reason why AZ is absent: he would have taken away from the PuritySue brigade of Ash throughout the XY series, as well as Bonnie. One of the most heart-wrenching characters in the original games was removed from the anime '''because he would have detracted from CharacterShilling and the PuritySue.'''

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* Catalyst375: The absence of AZ from the anime entirety. Normally, unless it is unavoidable, the anime is generally faithful in regards to including characters from the main games into the anime. But for some inexplicable reason, AZ has been left out of the XY anime entirely. Some may argue that it is because AZ's back-story was "too dark" for the Pokemon anime...But seeing AZ in PokemonGenerations Anime/PokemonGenerations made me realize the true reason why AZ is absent: he would have taken away from the PuritySue brigade of Ash throughout the XY series, as well as Bonnie. One of the most heart-wrenching characters in the original games was removed from the anime '''because because he would have detracted from CharacterShilling and the PuritySue.'''
23rd Dec '16 1:43:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Shadow200: Writers, either have Ash finally win something or get rid of him and give us a new damn character already. A new protagonist each generation with their own character would be far more enjoyable to watch than seeing Ash lose as usual.
23rd Dec '16 1:37:27 PM Catalyst375
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* Catalyst375: The absence of AZ from the anime entirety. Normally, unless it is unavoidable, the anime is generally faithful in regards to including characters from the main games into the anime. But for some inexplicable reason, AZ has been left out of the XY anime entirely. Some may argue that it is because AZ's back-story was "too dark" for the Pokemon anime...But seeing AZ in PokemonGenerations made me realize the true reason why AZ is absent: he would have taken away from the PuritySue brigade of Ash throughout the XY series, as well as Bonnie. One of the most heart-wrenching characters in the original games was removed from the anime '''because he would have detracted from CharacterShilling and the PuritySue.'''
29th Nov '16 12:08:10 PM Dr.XXX
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26th Oct '16 12:37:14 AM SenorCornholio
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* SenorCornholio: What, you thought the gym battles against Sabrina, Erika, and Team Rocket were a disappointment? Then allow me the (dis)honor of reintroducing you to the gym battle against Elesa. In the games, she's known for being not only a respectable character with quite the appealing design, but also for having quite the annoying team with moves like Volt Switch. In other words, she's quite the capable battler. Now let's see how the anime portrays her gym battle with Ash. The first red flag that this gym battle is going to be underwhelming is that she starts off with her [[SignatureMove signature mon]] Zebstrika, which is easily dispatched by Ash's trump card Palpitoad. Then Elesa's Emolga comes out and beats Palpitoad, and we see how bad this really gets; [[WhatAnIdiot Ash literally thought he could breeze through Elesa with just one Pokémon, and only brought Palpitoad!]] So he rushes out of the battlefield to get one more Pokémon, which happens to be Snivy. And Ash, being [[IdiotHero Ash]], forgot that Emolga's also part flying type, not to mention Attract only works on the opposite gender. Needless to say, Ash is now down 2-1, and Pikachu finally steps up to fight, beating the Emolga. At this point, Elesa sends out her last Pokémon...a Tynamo. Not even evolved into an Eelektross or even an Eelektrik, just...an unevolved Tynamo, whose only move is Tackle. I don't care if it was a powerful Tackle; Tackle is the most basic of moves, and it didn't even get its Gen VI power buff yet. It's such a huge disrespect, because Elesa is quite the fan favorite, and beating her in the games requires you to throw a monkey wrench into her own strategy. In the anime, Ash only nearly lost because he was even stupider than usual, and her team tried to look threatening while having one of the most underwhelming lineups in the anime's long history.

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* SenorCornholio: What, you thought the gym battles against Sabrina, Erika, and Team Rocket were a disappointment? Then allow me the (dis)honor of reintroducing you to the gym battle against Elesa. In the games, she's known for being not only a respectable character with quite the appealing design, but also for having quite the annoying team with moves like Volt Switch. In other words, she's quite the capable battler. Now let's see how the anime portrays her gym battle with Ash. The first red flag that this gym battle is going to be underwhelming is that she starts off with her [[SignatureMove signature mon]] Zebstrika, which is easily dispatched by Ash's trump card Palpitoad. Then Elesa's Emolga comes out and beats Palpitoad, and we see how bad this really gets; [[WhatAnIdiot Ash literally thought he could breeze through Elesa with just one Pokémon, and only brought Palpitoad!]] So he rushes out of the battlefield to get one more Pokémon, which happens to be Snivy. And Ash, being [[IdiotHero Ash]], forgot that Emolga's also part flying type, not to mention Attract only works on the opposite gender. Needless to say, Ash is now down 2-1, and Pikachu finally steps up to fight, beating the Emolga. At this point, Elesa sends out her last Pokémon...[[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer a Tynamo. Tynamo]]. Not even evolved into an Eelektross [[MightyGlacier Eelektross]] or even an Eelektrik, just...an unevolved Tynamo, whose only move is Tackle. I don't care if it was a powerful Tackle; Tackle is the most basic of moves, and it didn't even get its Gen VI power buff yet. It's such a huge disrespect, because Elesa is quite the fan favorite, and beating her in the games requires you to throw a monkey wrench into her own strategy. In the anime, Ash only nearly lost because he was even stupider than usual, and her team tried to look threatening while having one of the most underwhelming lineups in the anime's long history.
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