History DethroningMoment / Moviebob

2nd Nov '17 5:07:12 PM HubPie
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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still plenty bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?

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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still plenty bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?ranting?
* Hub Pie: I've grown to despise Bob as a person, but that's not why I'm putting this entry on here. As I was watching his Really That Bad: Batman v Superman Part 1 video, he eventually said this gem: "If you think Spider-Man: Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie, you are out of your goddamn mind!" Ugh... we're doing THIS again? Look, I think it's pretty clear that Bob has some bias in favor for the Sam Raimi interpretation of Spider-Man. I love that version of the character too, but it is totally out of line to say that someone is out of their mind for thinking Homecoming is the best Spidey movie. It's not fair to those who love Homecoming (which I do love), and it's basically saying "If you don't think Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2 are the best Spidey movies, you're an idiot." I mean, he already made a video called "You're Wrong About Spider-Man 3," so why not continue to show just how incapable he is to judge a Spider-Man movie without some petty Sam Raimi bias thrown in there. It's fine if you don't think Homecoming's the best Spider-Man movie, Bob (which I agree with), but you can't just alienate people like that. Then again, what do you expect from a One More Day apologist?
3rd Oct '17 5:06:46 PM BrianK
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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?

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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still really plenty bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?
3rd Oct '17 5:05:00 PM BrianK
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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?

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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. I'm all for criticizing the film, but what's the point if you're not willing to actually discuss tangible problems with the film and offer no insight other than "it has no redeeming qualities" and other aspects you've ranted at length a million times before? It seems less like him wanting to make an argument and more like him working out his personal anger yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, and not give it any attention, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?
3rd Oct '17 4:58:08 PM BrianK
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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?

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** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as he made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?
3rd Oct '17 4:56:57 PM BrianK
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* hank412: Everything regarding his "Really that Bad: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First he makes a preview video, talking about how Batman V Superman as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? Batman V Superman is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. Batman V Superman, despite having its flaws, comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you," type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.

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* hank412: Everything regarding his "Really that Bad: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First he makes a preview video, talking about how Batman V Superman as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? Batman V Superman is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. Batman V Superman, despite having its flaws, comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you," type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.sucks.
** BrianK: I was getting sick of Bob already, but this video made me fed up with him completely. And I'm speaking as someone who thought the movie was terrible! (Not as bad as made it out, but still really bad.) So my dislike of this video has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him, but more with the fact that it seems like it exists only as an excuse for him to rant about it yet again. To be honest, it even gets me to question the authenticity for his love of film at all- if a film bothers you that much, wouldn't you want to forget about it completely, instead of ranting with no rhyme or reason, just for the sake of ranting?
2nd Oct '17 8:59:07 PM hank412
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* hank412: Everything regarding his "Really that Bad: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First he makes a preview video, talking about how BvS as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? BvS is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. BvS, despite having its flaws, comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you," type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.

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* hank412: Everything regarding his "Really that Bad: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First he makes a preview video, talking about how BvS Batman V Superman as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? BvS Batman V Superman is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. BvS, Batman V Superman, despite having its flaws, comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you," type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.
2nd Oct '17 8:57:49 PM hank412
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* BrainlessOyster: His political rant series "American Bob" had one installment where he got angry at people saying that they hate politicians that "flip-flop". His argument was that people have a right to change their minds once new evidence comes to light. Okay, fair enough (although this troper thinks the anger comes more from politicians saying anything they can to get elected, but whatevs). But in the next breath he asks why, if we hate flip-floppers, we also like politicians that are married, since being married is (to him) all about lying your ass off to make your spouse happy. This rubbed me the wrong way because while, yes, occasionally spouses apologize when they don't mean it just to avoid a fight, no successful marriage is based solely on lies and appeasement. Good marriages are built on trust and honesty, not on a Machiavellian battle of wits between a henpecked husband and a battle-axe wife

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* BrainlessOyster: His political rant series "American Bob" had one installment where he got angry at people saying that they hate politicians that "flip-flop". His argument was that people have a right to change their minds once new evidence comes to light. Okay, fair enough (although this troper thinks the anger comes more from politicians saying anything they can to get elected, but whatevs). But in the next breath he asks why, if we hate flip-floppers, we also like politicians that are married, since being married is (to him) all about lying your ass off to make your spouse happy. This rubbed me the wrong way because while, yes, occasionally spouses apologize when they don't mean it just to avoid a fight, no successful marriage is based solely on lies and appeasement. Good marriages are built on trust and honesty, not on a Machiavellian battle of wits between a henpecked husband and a battle-axe wifewife
*hank412: Everything regarding his "Really that Bad: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" video. First he makes a preview video, talking about how BvS as a film has no redeeming qualities. Really, Bob? None? BvS is no masterpiece, but it is leagues better than other movies out there. BvS, despite having its flaws, comes no where near earning the sheer amount of scathing hatred it gets and the idea that he thinks it deserves every bit of it is laughable! However, what cemented this as a dethroning moment is Bob's analysis on twitter and the fact that he clearly doesn't get the film and I don't mean that in some pretentious "It's too deep for you," type of way, but in a way where he fails to understand the basic plot points right in front of him. This isn't analysis or criticism, this is stubbing your toe against a table and then making a video essay on why that table sucks.
14th Sep '17 1:27:11 PM ImpudentInfidel
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BrainlessOyster: His political rant series "American Bob" had one installment where he got angry at people saying that they hate politicians that "flip-flop". His argument was that people have a right to change their minds once new evidence comes to light. Okay, fair enough (although this troper thinks the anger comes more from politicians saying anything they can to get elected, but whatevs). But in the next breath he asks why, if we hate flip-floppers, we also like politicians that are married, since being married is (to him) all about lying your ass off to make your spouse happy. This rubbed me the wrong way because while, yes, occasionally spouses apologize when they don't mean it just to avoid a fight, no successful marriage is based solely on lies and appeasement. Good marriages are built on trust and honesty, not on a Machiavellian battle of wits between a henpecked husband and a battle-axe wife

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* BrainlessOyster: His political rant series "American Bob" had one installment where he got angry at people saying that they hate politicians that "flip-flop". His argument was that people have a right to change their minds once new evidence comes to light. Okay, fair enough (although this troper thinks the anger comes more from politicians saying anything they can to get elected, but whatevs). But in the next breath he asks why, if we hate flip-floppers, we also like politicians that are married, since being married is (to him) all about lying your ass off to make your spouse happy. This rubbed me the wrong way because while, yes, occasionally spouses apologize when they don't mean it just to avoid a fight, no successful marriage is based solely on lies and appeasement. Good marriages are built on trust and honesty, not on a Machiavellian battle of wits between a henpecked husband and a battle-axe wife
10th Sep '17 1:19:43 PM BrainlessOyster
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* Bartzv: While ''Heavens To Metroid'' isn't what made me turn away from him as a fan, it perfectly illustrates how deficient he is at arguing for a dissenting viewpoint. In order to justify his dissenting views he will typically: 1. Resort to using straw man arguments that slander the other side. 2. Provide counterarguments that don't actually address the core arguments of the other side. 3. Ignore any inconvenient facts that weaken his arguments. 4. Display some blatant hypocrisy in the process. In ''Heavens to Metroid'' he argues that ''[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other M's]]'' detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated what fans assumed she was like this whole time, as Samus didn't have any characterization until now. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with the game's portrayal of Samus as a character, namely that Samus was written as weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In other words, it's not so much that her characterization differed from Fanon like Bob claims, it's that said characterization was bad. Not only that, his claim that Samus didn't have any characterization before ''Other M'' [[CriticalResearchFailure ignores]] the huge elephant in the room that is ''[[VideoGame/MetroidFusion Metroid Fusion]]'' and how it gave her inner monologues that provided some insight into her character. [[note]]While it's possible that Bob hadn't played Fusion at the time, there's no excuse for not at least researching it before making a claim like that.[[/note]] Then in his revisited video he argues that the game tried to use an old school narrative mechanic with the weapon authorization that didn't mesh well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that resulted in unintended narrative oddities that are being interpreted as UnfortunateImplications. While the narrative and game mechanics not gelling well is a valid point, he acts like this alone is what's causing all the problems and writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads. Once again he fails to address the actual issue of how Samus was written as a character, choosing instead to blame it entirely on the authorization mechanic. Bob then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto for being sexist (a reasonable conclusion considering Sakamoto was completely in charge of the story) of being racist towards Japanese society as a whole. This is hypocritical because he's unfairly generalizing all of ''Other M's'' detractors as bad people- which is exactly what he claims said detractors are doing to the Japanese. There's more hypocrisy when you take into account that he's a very vocal feminist (especially when it comes to video games) and yet gave a pass to this game- a game that portrays its female protagonist in a way that many consider to be sexist. Considering he made no secret that he liked the game, it comes off like he's purposely going easy on it because he likes it. All of this indicates that Bob can be very ignorant and intellectually dishonest when it comes to defending stuff that he likes.

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* Bartzv: While ''Heavens To Metroid'' isn't what made me turn away from him as a fan, it perfectly illustrates how deficient he is at arguing for a dissenting viewpoint. In order to justify his dissenting views he will typically: 1. Resort to using straw man arguments that slander the other side. 2. Provide counterarguments that don't actually address the core arguments of the other side. 3. Ignore any inconvenient facts that weaken his arguments. 4. Display some blatant hypocrisy in the process. In ''Heavens to Metroid'' he argues that ''[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other M's]]'' detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated what fans assumed she was like this whole time, as Samus didn't have any characterization until now. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with the game's portrayal of Samus as a character, namely that Samus was written as weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In other words, it's not so much that her characterization differed from Fanon like Bob claims, it's that said characterization was bad. Not only that, his claim that Samus didn't have any characterization before ''Other M'' [[CriticalResearchFailure ignores]] the huge elephant in the room that is ''[[VideoGame/MetroidFusion Metroid Fusion]]'' and how it gave her inner monologues that provided some insight into her character. [[note]]While it's possible that Bob hadn't played Fusion at the time, there's no excuse for not at least researching it before making a claim like that.[[/note]] Then in his revisited video he argues that the game tried to use an old school narrative mechanic with the weapon authorization that didn't mesh well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that resulted in unintended narrative oddities that are being interpreted as UnfortunateImplications. While the narrative and game mechanics not gelling well is a valid point, he acts like this alone is what's causing all the problems and writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads. Once again he fails to address the actual issue of how Samus was written as a character, choosing instead to blame it entirely on the authorization mechanic. Bob then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto for being sexist (a reasonable conclusion considering Sakamoto was completely in charge of the story) of being racist towards Japanese society as a whole. This is hypocritical because he's unfairly generalizing all of ''Other M's'' detractors as bad people- which is exactly what he claims said detractors are doing to the Japanese. There's more hypocrisy when you take into account that he's a very vocal feminist (especially when it comes to video games) and yet gave a pass to this game- a game that portrays its female protagonist in a way that many consider to be sexist. Considering he made no secret that he liked the game, it comes off like he's purposely going easy on it because he likes it. All of this indicates that Bob can be very ignorant and intellectually dishonest when it comes to defending stuff that he likes.likes.
BrainlessOyster: His political rant series "American Bob" had one installment where he got angry at people saying that they hate politicians that "flip-flop". His argument was that people have a right to change their minds once new evidence comes to light. Okay, fair enough (although this troper thinks the anger comes more from politicians saying anything they can to get elected, but whatevs). But in the next breath he asks why, if we hate flip-floppers, we also like politicians that are married, since being married is (to him) all about lying your ass off to make your spouse happy. This rubbed me the wrong way because while, yes, occasionally spouses apologize when they don't mean it just to avoid a fight, no successful marriage is based solely on lies and appeasement. Good marriages are built on trust and honesty, not on a Machiavellian battle of wits between a henpecked husband and a battle-axe wife
2nd Sep '17 9:05:25 AM HalcyonDayz
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* Vexer: I still like Moviebob in spite of me strongly disagreeing with a number of his reviews(I.E. ''Batman Vs Superman'', ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2, ''Film/{{Pixels}}'', ''Film/TheExpendables'', ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' 1-3, ''Film/GreenLantern'', etc) and opinions(I.E. his statements regarding the retake ME3 movement). But by far his worst moment is his Big Picture video on 90s comics where he pretty does nothing but whine and bitch about Creator/RobLiefeld the entire time. Look I know the guy's a controversial figure and has his flaws, but that video crossed the line from distaste for his material into outright personal hatred to a rather disturbing degree. He also insults people that actually *gasp* like Liefeld and the other Image guys, which just makes him sound like a condescending jerk, hopefully he's learned since then.

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* Vexer: I still like Moviebob in spite of me strongly disagreeing with a number of his reviews(I.E. ''Batman Vs Superman'', ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2, ''Film/{{Pixels}}'', ''Film/TheExpendables'', ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' 1-3, ''Film/GreenLantern'', etc) and opinions(I.E. his statements regarding the retake ME3 [=ME3=] movement). But by far his worst moment is his Big Picture video on 90s comics where he pretty does nothing but whine and bitch about Creator/RobLiefeld the entire time. Look I know the guy's a controversial figure and has his flaws, but that video crossed the line from distaste for his material into outright personal hatred to a rather disturbing degree. He also insults people that actually *gasp* like Liefeld and the other Image guys, which just makes him sound like a condescending jerk, hopefully he's learned since then.
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