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5th Aug '16 9:43:33 AM CoCage
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* CoCage: The review of ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014''. Bob does the same thing he did in his reviews of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan 1 & 2'', [[BlatantLies saying that he never held any]] [[BiasSteamroller bias]] towards the new movie. This is his bullshit at its finest, because of all his disdain for the movie is in Bobís previous blog posts; long before the film came out. The whole ninja turtles are aliensí rumors being the start. He then goes on to say itís worse than ''Turtles III'' and the ''The Next Mutation'' (big YMMV). There is some huge contradiction, because once again, in a previous blog post/Big Picture episode he said that the third movie should never be mentioned considering how lazy and bad it turned out. The worst part is him adding or making up flaws that werenít in the movie. He goes on to say April got too much focus and was horribly played by Megan Fox. The former is not true, as she and the turtles get nearly an equal amount of screen time, and the latter is once again, YMMV. The movie does start a little slow and I would have preferred someone else, but Fox does a decent job. The other is an exaggerated flaw of Michelangelo always being ďhorny for AprilĒ. It is true Mikey is always the jokester, but the only time he usually puts the moves on April is when itís not a serious scene. Even then the other turtles tell him to knock it off, just like in most other continuities. When things get serious he gets his act together. This is hypocritical considering Donatello is guilty of doing the same thing in ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012''. Always trying to impress April and hugely crushing on her. Something a lot of fans got tired of by end of the first and second season. For the record, I don't care much for the new Spider-Man Films and am neutral about Michael Bay at best (''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' being the exception), but Bob, if you are not going to bother giving a movie you don't like from the start a chance, donít lie and make shit up. Seriously, his review comes up as a Bay hating checklist and ends with him saying that heís done with being nice to the director. Not to mention acting like a whiny little prick for the film not being like the previous movies. Seeing this video, he is no longer a serious movie reviewer or a video game commentator in my eyes (even back then I had my doubts). This video is just a testament to everything wrong with him.

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* CoCage: The review of ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014''. Bob does the same thing he did in his reviews of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan 1 & 2'', [[BlatantLies saying that he never held any]] [[BiasSteamroller bias]] towards the new movie. This is his bullshit at its finest, because of all his disdain for the movie is in Bobís previous blog posts; long before the film came out. The whole ninja turtles are aliensí rumors being the start. He then goes on to say itís worse than ''Turtles III'' and the ''The Next Mutation'' (big YMMV). There is some huge contradiction, because once again, in a previous blog post/Big Picture episode he said that the third movie should never be mentioned considering how lazy and bad it turned out. The worst part is him adding or making up flaws that werenít in the movie. He goes on to say April got too much focus and was horribly played by Megan Fox. The former is not true, as she and the turtles get nearly an equal amount of screen time, and the latter is once again, YMMV. The movie does start a little slow and I would have preferred someone else, but Fox does a decent job. The other is an exaggerated flaw of Michelangelo always being ďhorny for AprilĒ. It is true Mikey is always the jokester, but the only time he usually puts the moves on April is when itís not a serious scene. Even then the other turtles tell him to knock it off, just like in most other continuities. When things get serious he gets his act together. This is hypocritical considering Donatello is guilty of doing the same thing in ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012''. Always trying to impress April and hugely crushing on her. Something a lot of fans got tired of by end of the first and second season. For the record, I don't care much for the new Spider-Man Films and I am neutral about Michael Bay at best (''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' being the exception), but Bob, if you are not going to bother giving a movie you don't like from the start a chance, donít lie and make shit up. Seriously, his review comes up as a Bay hating checklist (even though he didn't direct the movie, Jonathan Liebesman did) and ends with him saying that heís done with being nice to the director. Not to mention acting like a whiny little prick for the film not being like the previous movies. Seeing this video, he is no longer a serious movie reviewer or a video game commentator in my eyes (even back then I had my doubts). This video is just a testament to everything wrong with him.
15th Jun '16 9:13:24 AM Berrenta
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13th Jun '16 10:55:11 AM SuperLuigu
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* Vexer-I still like Moviebob in spite of me strongly disagreeing with a number of his reviews(I.E. Batman Vs Superman, Man of Steel, Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2, Pixels, Expendables, Transformers 1-3, Green Lantern, etc) and opinions(I.E. his statements regarding the retake ME3 movement). But by far his worst moment is his Big Picture video on 90s comics where he pretty does nothing but whine and bitch about RobLiefeld the entire time. Look I know the guy's a controversial figure and has his flaws, but that video crossed the line from distaste for his material into outright personal hatred to a rather disturbing degree. He also insults people that actually *gasp* like Liefeld and the other Image guys, which just makes him sound like a condescending jerk, hopefully he's learned since then.

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* Vexer-I still like Moviebob in spite of me strongly disagreeing with a number of his reviews(I.E. Batman Vs Superman, Man of Steel, Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2, Pixels, Expendables, Transformers 1-3, Green Lantern, etc) and opinions(I.E. his statements regarding the retake ME3 movement). But by far his worst moment is his Big Picture video on 90s comics where he pretty does nothing but whine and bitch about RobLiefeld the entire time. Look I know the guy's a controversial figure and has his flaws, but that video crossed the line from distaste for his material into outright personal hatred to a rather disturbing degree. He also insults people that actually *gasp* like Liefeld and the other Image guys, which just makes him sound like a condescending jerk, hopefully he's learned since then.then.
* SuperLuigu : This goes back a ways, but Bob having his followers join the ScrewAttack forum to vote in the "My Vids Don't Suck" contest in 2008 or so, ensuring that The Game Overthinker was the winner, regardless of what the actual ScrewAttack g1 audience would have voted for (this was years before DeathBattle , when SA content was confined to the site and GameTrailers ).
8th Jun '16 8:37:18 PM vexer
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* {{Kingbacon}}: I used to be one of the few people who had no qualms with MovieBob. I like his snarky and in depth analysis of pop culture and nerd behavior. However, I will never forgive him for saying what he did in his episode ''JUNK DRAWER: GAME ON'', where he suggested that the only difference between console, handheld, and PC video games and the interactive bile that is App gaming are buttons. As if to say Apps COULD ever, SHOULD ever, or WOULD ever replace actual video games! Other than that, I really have no beef with the guy other than the fact that he liked ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''.

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* {{Kingbacon}}: I used to be one of the few people who had no qualms with MovieBob. I like his snarky and in depth analysis of pop culture and nerd behavior. However, I will never forgive him for saying what he did in his episode ''JUNK DRAWER: GAME ON'', where he suggested that the only difference between console, handheld, and PC video games and the interactive bile that is App gaming are buttons. As if to say Apps COULD ever, SHOULD ever, or WOULD ever replace actual video games! Other than that, I really have no beef with the guy other than the fact that he liked ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''.



** StormKensho: Bob's "Heavens to Metroid" video, which was the video he made defending the notorious ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' from its critics, had great potential to be a polarizing but fair video, going over the game's merits while also acknowledging known criticisms of the work while giving his own take on them. What did it turn out to be? Well, to paraphrase Bob's arguments: "If you don't like Metroid Other M, it's because you're a xenophobic feminazi who can't stomach Samus taking orders from a MAN!" That summation could qualify as a DMOS by itself, but the absolute and most disgusting nadir of the video, the moment where I could no longer count myself as a MovieBob fan, was when he attacked the superb MetroidPrime series[[note]]the most critically ''and'' commercially acclaimed games in the Metroid series[[/note]] because they were First-Person Shooters, which are "everything that's wrong with the gaming industry." While he's not entirely ''wrong'' in that regard, the MetroidPrime series is an example of FPS done well[[note]]with excellent and minimalistic writing and gameplay that pushed the series forward while retaining the feel of exploration and discovery that made the 2D Metroids so popular[[/note]]. And to lump those superb games in with the likes of VideoGame/CallOfDuty, VideoGame/{{Battlefield}}, and other shallow FPS games simply because they share a genre is not only ridiculous and disingenuous, it's also ''downright prejudicial and moronic''. Bob, I get it: You're being intentionally provocative with your content as a means of drawing attention to yourself and making money while also expressing your opinion; But when you're actively slandering a series of games that are widely considered to be ''among the best games ever made'' in the Sixth Generation if not overall[[note]]Games that are among the many reasons why the Nintendo Gamecube was able to hold its own and are fondly remembered by even the most caustic of internet critics such as ''[[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]'', one of your own colleagues at Website/TheEscapist who was ''relentless'' in his takedown of Other M[[/note]] because the game you like doesn't stack up, you're just going to make yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

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** StormKensho: Bob's "Heavens to Metroid" video, which was the video he made defending the notorious ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' from its critics, had great potential to be a polarizing but fair video, going over the game's merits while also acknowledging known criticisms of the work while giving his own take on them. What did it turn out to be? Well, to paraphrase Bob's arguments: "If you don't like Metroid Other M, it's because you're a xenophobic feminazi who can't stomach Samus taking orders from a MAN!" That summation could qualify as a DMOS by itself, but the absolute and most disgusting nadir of the video, the moment where I could no longer count myself as a MovieBob fan, was when he attacked the superb MetroidPrime series[[note]]the most critically ''and'' commercially acclaimed games in the Metroid series[[/note]] because they were First-Person Shooters, which are "everything that's wrong with the gaming industry." While he's not entirely ''wrong'' in that regard, the MetroidPrime series is an example of FPS done well[[note]]with excellent and minimalistic writing and gameplay that pushed the series forward while retaining the feel of exploration and discovery that made the 2D Metroids so popular[[/note]]. And to lump those superb games in with the likes of VideoGame/CallOfDuty, VideoGame/{{Battlefield}}, and other shallow FPS games simply because they share a genre is not only ridiculous and disingenuous, it's also ''downright prejudicial and moronic''. Bob, I get it: You're being intentionally provocative with your content as a means of drawing attention to yourself and making money while also expressing your opinion; But when you're actively slandering a series of games that are widely considered to be ''among the best games ever made'' in the Sixth Generation if not overall[[note]]Games that are among the many reasons why the Nintendo Gamecube was able to hold its own and are fondly remembered by even the most caustic of internet critics such as ''[[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]'', one of your own colleagues at Website/TheEscapist who was ''relentless'' in his takedown of Other M[[/note]] because the game you like doesn't stack up, you're just going to make yourself look like a complete and utter fool.



* jai137: Recently that n his X-Men apocalypse review, he states that all previous X-Men movies were bad(except First class). While he is entitled to his opinion, it completely contradicts his earlier review of X-Men:Days Of Future Past, where he said it's a good movie. Just another place where he keeps contradicting his own reviews. It's like he hated the previous ones, but couldn't bring it out to say it until a crap sequel comes out, then he lets out his hate. Be prepared for a Star Wars review where the movie is bad, but he'll just say "it's JJ Abrams, it was always bad."

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* jai137: Recently that n his X-Men apocalypse review, he states that all previous X-Men movies were bad(except First class). While he is entitled to his opinion, it completely contradicts his earlier review of X-Men:Days Of Future Past, where he said it's a good movie. Just another place where he keeps contradicting his own reviews. It's like he hated the previous ones, but couldn't bring it out to say it until a crap sequel comes out, then he lets out his hate. Be prepared for a Star Wars review where the movie is bad, but he'll just say "it's JJ Abrams, it was always bad.""
* Vexer-I still like Moviebob in spite of me strongly disagreeing with a number of his reviews(I.E. Batman Vs Superman, Man of Steel, Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2, Pixels, Expendables, Transformers 1-3, Green Lantern, etc) and opinions(I.E. his statements regarding the retake ME3 movement). But by far his worst moment is his Big Picture video on 90s comics where he pretty does nothing but whine and bitch about RobLiefeld the entire time. Look I know the guy's a controversial figure and has his flaws, but that video crossed the line from distaste for his material into outright personal hatred to a rather disturbing degree. He also insults people that actually *gasp* like Liefeld and the other Image guys, which just makes him sound like a condescending jerk, hopefully he's learned since then.
8th Jun '16 8:27:10 PM vexer
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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address the actual criticisms of how Samus was written as a character; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that someone as smart and analytically skilled as him can miss the point of people's arguments so thoroughly.
4th Jun '16 8:52:47 PM Bartzv
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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that someone as smart and analytically skilled as him can miss the point of people's arguments so thoroughly.

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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address the actual criticisms of how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; character; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that someone as smart and analytically skilled as him can miss the point of people's arguments so thoroughly.
4th Jun '16 7:27:52 AM Bartzv
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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that someone as smart as him, who typically displays rhetorical and analytical prowess can miss the point of people's arguments so thoroughly.

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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that someone as smart as him, who typically displays rhetorical and analytical prowess analytically skilled as him can miss the point of people's arguments so thoroughly.
4th Jun '16 7:25:18 AM Bartzv
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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that a person who typically displays rhetorical and analytical prowess can miss the point of people's arguments like this.

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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that a person someone as smart as him, who typically displays rhetorical and analytical prowess can miss the point of people's arguments like this.so thoroughly.
4th Jun '16 7:14:09 AM Bartzv
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*** Bartzv: As someone that generally still likes Moviebob, I have noticed that he does this from time to time when he presents a dissenting opinion. In order to justify it he'll : 1. Resort to using straw man arguments. 2. Provide counterpoints that don't actually address the arguments of the other side. Both of his Other M videos and his Big Picture videos on the Simpsons illustrate this. In Heavens to Metroid he argues that Other M's detractors are just pissed off because Samus is taking orders from a man and because what the game revealed about Samus' personality negated with what fans assumed she was like this whole time. The problem with these arguments is that they don't address the actual issue many people have with Samus' portrayal as a character, namely that the way Samus was written makes her look weak and submissive with very little agency in the events of the story. In his revisited video, he argues that the game tried to use an old school game narrative mechanic in the weapon authorization and that didn't work well with the modern storytelling techniques the game also used and that's where the UnfortunateImplications are coming from. Once again this doesn't address how Samus was written as a character, which is where many of the criticisms are coming from; he just blames it entirely on the authorization mechanic, writes off the UnfortunateImplications as just being in people's heads, then accuses anyone criticizing Sakamoto of being xenophobic towards the Japanese. In his Big Picture two-parter on The Simpsons, he argues that the Simpsons is still a good show and that the show itself hasn't changed so much as the world around it has changed. While this is an interesting theory, it doesn't address the various problems people have with the show's writing in the later seasons, which is where most of the criticisms stem from. It's baffling that a person who typically displays rhetorical and analytical prowess can miss the point of people's arguments like this.
24th May '16 3:18:16 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** ImpudentInfidel: It also revealed an almost complete ignorance of how video games, and RPGs in particular, are written. His argument was based on a film-specific variant of auteur theory and completely ignored the main complaint: that the ending was clearly written without the input of the main writing team, introduced massive changes to the mythology in the final minutes, and revealed a complete failure to grasp both the themes of the story and the mechanics of the setting.
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