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9th Aug '16 1:30:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Tropers/IndirectActiveTransport: The flashback explaining the origin of Adam's catchphrase. It can be argued there are worse scenes, individually, but the grand scope is more important. It directly contradicts Fusion, where Samus states anyone else saying "lady" would sound sarcastic but Adam made it sound respectful. Yet Other M shows him saying it with sarcasm and disdain. More, it shows Samus in the military under Adam's command even though the manga already showed this could never have happened the way Other M tells it. Samus was a police officer engaged in {{inter service rivalry}} with the military and one of the few people who was not glad-handing Adam every time he showed up, unafraid to tell him off. Then Samus needlessly beats herself up, it is not her fault her commanding officer is unprofessional. It should not be overlooked that Samus is portrayed as a twerp when she's supposed to be huge and {{shrouded in myth}} either. This scene is the preview for most of Other M's plotting. First, it contradicts what was already established with reckless abandon. While [[BagOfSpilling the very concept]] of Metroid sequels lend themselves to {{plot hole}}s, this is the first time a game [[TheyJustDidntCare so blindly dug such holes]] in ways so hard to [[{{Handwave}} wave over]]. Secondly it starts an annoying trend of Samus beating herself up for small slights, which makes even Fusion and Zero Mission's monologs harder to read afterwards. Self deprecation was forgettable before, now it's a wonder if this folk hero has any self esteem at all. Not that you would know Samus is a living legend if you only played Other M. Which brings us to strike three, Samus is puny and easily bullied when she has been consistently shown to be tall and awe inspiring up until now, even in the manga. This is the bounty hunter widely believed to be a male cyborg? She spends so much time unarmored, has such a faint frame and a visor that exposes her face down to the mouth! That could never happen. This is the warrior people thought could destroy planets? Yet now that she has actually done so she gets less respect than when it was an unfounded rumor? Metroid has other narrative flaws, Other M in particular, but this is where they all became highlighted, where it became impossible to look at the same way again.

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* Tropers/IndirectActiveTransport: The flashback explaining the origin of Adam's catchphrase. It can be argued there are worse scenes, individually, but the grand scope is more important. It directly contradicts Fusion, where Samus states anyone else saying "lady" would sound sarcastic but Adam made it sound respectful. Yet Other M shows him saying it with sarcasm and disdain. More, it shows Samus in the military under Adam's command even though the manga already showed this could never have happened the way Other M tells it. Samus was a police officer engaged in {{inter service rivalry}} with the military and one of the few people who was not glad-handing Adam every time he showed up, unafraid to tell him off. Then Samus needlessly beats herself up, it is not her fault her commanding officer is unprofessional. It should not be overlooked that Samus is portrayed as a twerp when she's supposed to be huge and {{shrouded in myth}} either. This scene is the preview for most of Other M's plotting. First, it contradicts what was already established with reckless abandon. While [[BagOfSpilling the very concept]] of Metroid sequels lend themselves to {{plot hole}}s, this is the first time a game [[TheyJustDidntCare so blindly dug such holes]] holes in ways so hard to [[{{Handwave}} wave over]]. Secondly it starts an annoying trend of Samus beating herself up for small slights, which makes even Fusion and Zero Mission's monologs harder to read afterwards. Self deprecation was forgettable before, now it's a wonder if this folk hero has any self esteem at all. Not that you would know Samus is a living legend if you only played Other M. Which brings us to strike three, Samus is puny and easily bullied when she has been consistently shown to be tall and awe inspiring up until now, even in the manga. This is the bounty hunter widely believed to be a male cyborg? She spends so much time unarmored, has such a faint frame and a visor that exposes her face down to the mouth! That could never happen. This is the warrior people thought could destroy planets? Yet now that she has actually done so she gets less respect than when it was an unfounded rumor? Metroid has other narrative flaws, Other M in particular, but this is where they all became highlighted, where it became impossible to look at the same way again.
15th Jun '16 8:32:08 AM Berrenta
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9th Jun '16 9:16:24 PM Josef5678
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11th Feb '16 8:28:03 PM CerotechOmega
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Despite the raw catharsis gunning down hordes of SpacePirates can provide, Samus has been through enough shit to [[INeedAFreakingDrink warrant a drink or two]]. [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck These]] are the moments you can hardly blame her.
25th Apr '15 5:11:43 AM rjd1922
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*** {{Tropers/Mightymoose101}} The absolute worse part of the scene? From a storytelling and overall narrative standpoint, it's completely pointless. The incident itself is never referred to again, Samus doesn't grow as a character from it and Adam doesn't seem even slightly upset that she got one of his men killed, Ridley is killed offscreen, denying Samus both the chance at avenging Anthony or facing her demons, the most Samus seems to think of Anthony afterwards is a brief musing on whether or not he was awake as he horribly burned alive in lava, and Anthony himself comes back to life through a sequence of events so contrived they had to have added it only to make Samus seem less incompetent. In short, Sakamoto reintroduced a character flaw Samus already overcame in a prior story for the sole purpose of overcoming it again, and then doesn't bother seeing it through.

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*** {{Tropers/Mightymoose101}} The absolute worse worst part of the scene? From a storytelling and overall narrative standpoint, it's completely pointless. The incident itself is never referred to again, Samus doesn't grow as a character from it and Adam doesn't seem even slightly upset that she got one of his men killed, Ridley is killed offscreen, denying Samus both the chance at avenging Anthony or facing her demons, the most Samus seems to think of Anthony afterwards is a brief musing on whether or not he was awake as he horribly burned alive in lava, and Anthony himself comes back to life through a sequence of events so contrived they had to have added it only to make Samus seem less incompetent. In short, Sakamoto reintroduced a character flaw Samus already overcame in a prior story for the sole purpose of overcoming it again, and then doesn't bother seeing it through.



* Tropers/{{SenorCornholio}}: My personal DMoS is the deal with the Baby Metroid's transport to the Galactic Federation. It was set up in Metroid II, and made into the catalyst for Super Metroid's events; on top of that, the scientists there were thankful for Samus, and made some discoveries that could help out the galaxy. Other M's take on this is that it was "a clear and blatant violation of protocol." Okay, what? I'd merely facepalm if it weren't for the ending, where The Colonel (who doesn't have a name, by the way) [[UngratefulBastard uses said event as an excuse for Samus to leave.]] You know, it's one thing to [[BadassDecay make a badass character look like a scared little girl,]] but it's quite another to take a large, steaming dump all over the events of Super Metroid for the sake of your story, especially if it involves victimizing Samus for basically doing her job!

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* Tropers/{{SenorCornholio}}: My personal DMoS is the deal with the Baby Metroid's transport to the Galactic Federation. It was set up in Metroid II, and made into the catalyst for Super Metroid's ''Super Metroid'''s events; on top of that, the scientists there were thankful for Samus, and made some discoveries that could help out the galaxy. Other M's take on this is that it was "a clear and blatant violation of protocol." Okay, what? I'd merely facepalm if it weren't for the ending, where The Colonel (who doesn't have a name, by the way) [[UngratefulBastard uses said event as an excuse for Samus to leave.]] You know, it's one thing to [[BadassDecay make a badass character look like a scared little girl,]] but it's quite another to take a large, steaming dump all over the events of Super Metroid ''Super Metroid'' for the sake of your story, especially if it involves victimizing Samus for basically doing her job!



* {{Tropers/Tuckerscreator}}: The Metroid Manga is full of plenty of mind-boggling moments that make me glad it was never imported to the US. Samus gets a cute sidekick pet that inexplicably grows ginormous, the alien designs look like Star Trek ripoffs, unneeded annoying characters from the Super Metroid comic are reintroduced, and there are {{narm}}y scenes like the Space Pirates equipping [[MixAndMatchCritters teddy bear-butterflies]] with laser blasters. But the biggest one has to be the manga's explanation for why the Chozo don't appear in the games: they were suicidally pacifistic, not only completely lacking planetary defense weapons (minus one easily evaporated energy shield) but [[TooDumbToLive genetically rewiring themselves to be unable to perform violence]]. As such, the Space Pirates invade Zebes once and completely slaughter them.\\

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* {{Tropers/Tuckerscreator}}: The Metroid Manga is full of plenty of mind-boggling moments that make me glad it was never imported to the US. Samus gets a cute sidekick pet that inexplicably grows ginormous, the alien designs look like Star Trek ripoffs, unneeded annoying characters from the Super Metroid ''Super Metroid'' comic are reintroduced, and there are {{narm}}y scenes like the Space Pirates equipping [[MixAndMatchCritters teddy bear-butterflies]] with laser blasters. But the biggest one has to be the manga's explanation for why the Chozo don't appear in the games: they were suicidally pacifistic, not only completely lacking planetary defense weapons (minus one easily evaporated energy shield) but [[TooDumbToLive genetically rewiring themselves to be unable to perform violence]]. As such, the Space Pirates invade Zebes once and completely slaughter them.\\
29th Mar '15 7:43:12 PM SenorCornholio
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* Tropers/{{SenorCornholio}}: My personal DMoS is the deal with the Baby Metroid's transport to the Galactic Federation. It was set up in Metroid II, and made into the catalyst for Super Metroid's events; on top of that, the scientists there were thankful for Samus, and made some discoveries that could help out the galaxy. Other M's take on this is that it was "a clear and blatant violation of protocol." Okay, what? I'd merely facepalm if it weren't for the ending, where The Colonel (who doesn't have a name, by the way) [[UngratefulBastard uses said event as an excuse for Samus to leave.]] You know, it's one thing to [[BadassDecay make a badass character look like a scared little girl,]] but it's quite another to take a large, steaming dump all over the events of Super Metroid for the sake of your story, especially if it involves victimizing Samus for basically doing her job!
16th Dec '14 5:33:15 PM Tuckerscreator
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* {{Tropers/Tuckerscreator}}: The Metroid Manga is full of plenty of mind-boggling moments that make me glad it was never imported to the US. Samus gets a cute sidekick pet that inexplicably grows ginormous, the alien designs look like Star Trek ripoffs, unneeded annoying characters from the Super Metroid comic are reintroduced, and there are {{narm}}y scenes like the Space Pirates equipping [[MixAndMatchCritters teddy bear-butterflies]] with laser blasters. But the biggest one has to be the manga's explanation for why the Chozo don't appear in the games: they were suicidally pacifistic, not only completely lacking planetary defense weapons (minus one easily evaporated energy shield) but [[TooDumbToLive genetically rewiring themselves to be unable to perform violence]]. As such, the Space Pirates invade once and completely slaughter them.\\

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* {{Tropers/Tuckerscreator}}: The Metroid Manga is full of plenty of mind-boggling moments that make me glad it was never imported to the US. Samus gets a cute sidekick pet that inexplicably grows ginormous, the alien designs look like Star Trek ripoffs, unneeded annoying characters from the Super Metroid comic are reintroduced, and there are {{narm}}y scenes like the Space Pirates equipping [[MixAndMatchCritters teddy bear-butterflies]] with laser blasters. But the biggest one has to be the manga's explanation for why the Chozo don't appear in the games: they were suicidally pacifistic, not only completely lacking planetary defense weapons (minus one easily evaporated energy shield) but [[TooDumbToLive genetically rewiring themselves to be unable to perform violence]]. As such, the Space Pirates invade Zebes once and completely slaughter them.\\
13th Jul '14 8:24:07 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Tropers/IndirectActiveTransport: The flashback explaining the origin of Adam's catchphrase. It can be argued there are worse scenes, individually, but the grand scope is more important. It directly contradicts Fusion, where Samus states anyone else saying "lady" would sound sarcastic but Adam made it sound respectful. Yet Other M shows him saying it with sarcasm and disdain. More, it shows Samus in the military under Adam's command even though the manga already showed this could never have happened the way Other M tells it. Samus was a police officer engaged in {{inter service rivalry}} with the army and one of the few people who was not glad-handing Adam every time he showed up, unafraid to tell him off. Then Samus needlessly beats herself up, it is not her fault her commanding officer is unprofessional. It should not be overlooked that Samus is portrayed as a twerp when she's supposed to be huge and {{shrouded in myth}} either. This scene is the preview for most of Other M's plotting. First, it contradicts what was already established with reckless abandon. While [[BagOfSpilling the very concept]] of Metroid sequels lend themselves to {{plot hole}}s, this is the first time a game [[TheyJustDidntCare so blindly dug such holes]] in ways so hard to [[{{Handwave}} wave over]]. Secondly it starts an annoying trend of Samus beating herself up for small slights, which makes even Fusion and Zero Mission's monologs harder to read afterwards. Self deprecation was forgettable before, now it's a wonder if this folk hero has any self esteem at all. Not that you would know Samus is a living legend if you only played Other M. Which brings us to strike three, Samus is puny and easily bullied when she has been consistently shown to be tall and awe inspiring up until now, even in the manga. This is the bounty hunter widely believed to be a male cyborg? She spends so much time unarmored, has such a faint frame and a visor that exposes her face down to the mouth! That could never happen. This is the warrior people thought could destroy planets? Yet now that she has actually done so she gets less respect than when it was an unfounded rumor? Metroid has other narrative flaws, Other M in particular, but this is where they all became highlighted, where it became impossible to look at the same way again.

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* Tropers/IndirectActiveTransport: The flashback explaining the origin of Adam's catchphrase. It can be argued there are worse scenes, individually, but the grand scope is more important. It directly contradicts Fusion, where Samus states anyone else saying "lady" would sound sarcastic but Adam made it sound respectful. Yet Other M shows him saying it with sarcasm and disdain. More, it shows Samus in the military under Adam's command even though the manga already showed this could never have happened the way Other M tells it. Samus was a police officer engaged in {{inter service rivalry}} with the army military and one of the few people who was not glad-handing Adam every time he showed up, unafraid to tell him off. Then Samus needlessly beats herself up, it is not her fault her commanding officer is unprofessional. It should not be overlooked that Samus is portrayed as a twerp when she's supposed to be huge and {{shrouded in myth}} either. This scene is the preview for most of Other M's plotting. First, it contradicts what was already established with reckless abandon. While [[BagOfSpilling the very concept]] of Metroid sequels lend themselves to {{plot hole}}s, this is the first time a game [[TheyJustDidntCare so blindly dug such holes]] in ways so hard to [[{{Handwave}} wave over]]. Secondly it starts an annoying trend of Samus beating herself up for small slights, which makes even Fusion and Zero Mission's monologs harder to read afterwards. Self deprecation was forgettable before, now it's a wonder if this folk hero has any self esteem at all. Not that you would know Samus is a living legend if you only played Other M. Which brings us to strike three, Samus is puny and easily bullied when she has been consistently shown to be tall and awe inspiring up until now, even in the manga. This is the bounty hunter widely believed to be a male cyborg? She spends so much time unarmored, has such a faint frame and a visor that exposes her face down to the mouth! That could never happen. This is the warrior people thought could destroy planets? Yet now that she has actually done so she gets less respect than when it was an unfounded rumor? Metroid has other narrative flaws, Other M in particular, but this is where they all became highlighted, where it became impossible to look at the same way again.
4th Apr '14 12:35:25 AM Tuckerscreator
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** {{Tropers/Crazyrabbits}}: Agreed, but this example needs some elaboration. ''Other M'' more or less legitimizes the ''Metroid'' manga series that was produced in the late 90's. In that story, Samus is the sole survivor of a massacre on her home colony by the Space Pirates and Ridley (who eats her parents), just like in the game. However, in the manga, Samus at one point experiences post-traumatic stress disorder during a battle with Ridley, where he goads her by mentioning how he murdered her parents. Samus shuts down for a period of time (and even contemplates suicide) before overcoming her demons and facing Ridley in an [[CurbStompBattle epic confrontation]], monologuing that she's not afraid of him anymore. Why is this relevant, you ask? It's because by the time she encounters Ridley on the Bottle Ship, she's already fought him several times in several different forms. She should be at a point where the appearance of Ridley shouldn't even phase her (and has left several different versions of him in circumstances that shouldn't have been normally possible to [[UnexplainedRecovery come back from]]). In short, Sakamoto reintroduced a character flaw Samus already overcame in a prior story for the sole purpose of overcoming it again.

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** {{Tropers/Crazyrabbits}}: Agreed, but this example needs some elaboration. ''Other M'' more or less legitimizes the ''Metroid'' manga series that was produced in the late 90's. In that story, Samus is the sole survivor of a massacre on her home colony by the Space Pirates and Ridley (who eats her parents), just like in the game. However, in the manga, Samus at one point experiences post-traumatic stress disorder during a battle with Ridley, where he goads her by mentioning how he murdered her parents. Samus shuts down for a period of time (and even contemplates suicide) before overcoming her demons and facing Ridley in an [[CurbStompBattle epic confrontation]], monologuing that she's not afraid of him anymore. \\
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Why is this relevant, you ask? It's because by the time she encounters Ridley on the Bottle Ship, she's already fought him several times in several different forms. She should be at a point where the appearance of Ridley shouldn't even phase her (and has left several different versions of him in circumstances that shouldn't have been normally possible to [[UnexplainedRecovery come back from]]). In short, Sakamoto reintroduced a character flaw Samus already overcame in a prior story for the sole purpose of overcoming it again.
1st Apr '14 2:13:30 PM Tuckerscreator
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