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20th Aug '17 10:10:12 PM GrammarNavi
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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout: I faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.

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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout: I faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy ''[[Literature/JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.
4th Jul '17 7:57:47 AM cricri3007
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** cricri3007: The "No man can beat me" "I'm a woman" scene. A moment of awesome for Eowyn? Yes. But ever since I read it for the first time, I've always felt it was... weak, an AssPull or something. In my mind, it'd have make much more sense if the one to kill him was a drawf, an alf or even a Hobbit.
28th Jun '17 12:02:59 PM MsCC93
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* Tropers/MsCC93: My moment would be from the 4th book of ''Literature/CaptainUnderpants'' involving Professor Poopypants. The moment that enraged me was a few hours after George and Harold are punished and aren't able to go on the field trip to the pizza palace. I understand that they brought it upon themselves for misbehaving and they deserved punishment, but the real kicker was when the teachers gathered around the circle and started picking on George and Harold. Regardless of how bratty kids can be, this is NOT how you treat misbehaving students. George and Harold were already punished, so why pick on them for missing the trip? It also makes George & Harold's "teacher's lounge" prank well satisfying to read (had the teachers not picked on the two, I would have taken their side when they became victims of George & Harold's prank). I can relate because I used to always misbehave when I was around their age, and adults would berate me for it, and it does mess people up mentally.

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* Tropers/MsCC93: My moment would be from the 4th book of ''Literature/CaptainUnderpants'' involving Professor Poopypants. The A moment that enraged infuriated me from the 6th book of ''{{Literature}}/CaptainUnderpants'' (Captain Underpants and the Big Bad Battle of the Bionic Booger Boy Part 1) was when George & Harold started a few hours after "Squishy Fad" which involved putting ketchup packs under the toilet seats and it would mess up the clothing of people who sat on the toilet. Because it became so popular, Ms. Ribble decided to prank Mr. Krupp. Mr. Krupp then proceeded to blame George & Harold (It's understandable as to why Mr. Krupp would think they did it, considering the pranks the two boys always pull). The kicker, however was that Ms. Ribble and the other fourth graders all said that George and Harold are punished and aren't able to go on weren't responsible for the field trip to the pizza palace. I understand prank that they brought it upon themselves for misbehaving and they deserved punishment, but resulted in the real kicker was when students' (save the 4th graders) clothes. You would think that Mr. Krupp would believe them, considering how the teachers gathered around the circle and started picking on George and Harold. Regardless of how bratty kids can be, this is NOT how you treat misbehaving students. George and Harold were already punished, so why pick on them for missing the trip? It also makes usually never come to George & Harold's "teacher's lounge" prank well satisfying to read (had the teachers not picked on the two, I would have taken their side when they became victims of defense. Bot no, he stubbornly believes that it's George & Harold's prank). I can relate because I used to always misbehave Harold even when I was around the evidence is in his face! Then the bratty snitch Melvin Sneedly tattles on them for coming up with the fad, landing the two boys in detention. True George & Harold came up with the fad, but they weren't responsible for everybody messing up their age, and adults would berate clothes after the pranks. My god this makes me for it, and it does mess people up mentally.hate Melvin & Mr. Krupp even more.
5th Jun '17 5:52:52 AM MsCC93
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* Tropers/MsCC93: My moment would be from the 4th book of ''Literature/CaptainUnderpants'' involving Professor Poopypants. The moment that enraged me was a few hours after George and Harold are punished and aren't able to go on the field trip to the pizza palace. I understand that they brought it down upon themselves for misbehaving, but the real kicker was when the teachers gathered around the circle and started picking on George and Harold. Regardless of how bratty kids can be, this is NOT how you treat misbehaving students. George and Harold were already punished, so why pick on them for missing the trip? I can relate because I used to always misbehave when I was around their age, and adults would berate me for it, and it does mess people up mentally.

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* Tropers/MsCC93: My moment would be from the 4th book of ''Literature/CaptainUnderpants'' involving Professor Poopypants. The moment that enraged me was a few hours after George and Harold are punished and aren't able to go on the field trip to the pizza palace. I understand that they brought it down upon themselves for misbehaving, misbehaving and they deserved punishment, but the real kicker was when the teachers gathered around the circle and started picking on George and Harold. Regardless of how bratty kids can be, this is NOT how you treat misbehaving students. George and Harold were already punished, so why pick on them for missing the trip? It also makes George & Harold's "teacher's lounge" prank well satisfying to read (had the teachers not picked on the two, I would have taken their side when they became victims of George & Harold's prank). I can relate because I used to always misbehave when I was around their age, and adults would berate me for it, and it does mess people up mentally.
23rd May '17 12:12:45 AM Midna
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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.

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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout Tropers/KilgoreTrout: I faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.



* {{Tropers/esq263}}: Literature/LeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty. This portion of the book appears to have been put in solely to add some conflict to the story. It is completely lacking in verisimilitude, as this troper can't imagine anyone with any sense, who really knows and loves someone, jumping to such a conclusion with such flimsy evidence.

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* {{Tropers/esq263}}: Literature/LeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty. This portion of the book appears to have been put in solely to add some conflict to the story. It is completely lacking in verisimilitude, as this troper I can't imagine anyone with any sense, who really knows and loves someone, jumping to such a conclusion with such flimsy evidence.
16th May '17 7:33:50 PM Wildstar93
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** Tropes/{{Wildstar93}}: To me, the bonus scene in ''Shattered Sky'', in Dovewing's point of view once more. Basically, Purdy dies from age-related heart problems, and the Clan mourns for him. That's pretty heartbreaking. But then Bumblestripe comes up and tells Dovewing right up that he wants to get with her, and she can have kits in the near future. This part reeks of three big reasons. First, I thought the whole Dovewing/Tigerheart/Bumblestripe relationship was put to rest in ''Bramblestar's Storm''? Why bring it back up? And second, they bring it back up at a time like this? During a funeral? And third, they try to keep Bumblestripe as this NiceGuy who's getting over the breakup, but having Bumblestripe say this during Purdy's funeral is far from InnocentlyInsensitive. The rest of ''A Vision Of Shadows'' is pretty good, but this bonus scene in an otherwise good book left a rather sour taste in my mouth.
16th Apr '17 4:34:37 AM esq263
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* {{Tropers/esq263}}: LiteratureLeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty. This portion of the book appears to have been put in solely to add some conflict to the story. It is lacking in verisimilitude, as this troper can't imagine anyone with any sense, who really knows and loves someone, jumping to such a conclusion with such flimsy evidence.

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* {{Tropers/esq263}}: LiteratureLeftBehind.Literature/LeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty. This portion of the book appears to have been put in solely to add some conflict to the story. It is completely lacking in verisimilitude, as this troper can't imagine anyone with any sense, who really knows and loves someone, jumping to such a conclusion with such flimsy evidence.
14th Apr '17 12:29:22 PM KrazyTVWatcher
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* {{Tropers/KrazyTVWatcher}}: Don't get me wrong. ''Literature/DiaryOfAWimpyKid'' is my favorite book series, [[DethroningMomentOfSuck but there are some moments that even fans can't stomach.]] One moment from this book series that really bugged me in particular was from the second book ''Rodrick Rules''. On page 104, Greg told his readers about the time he told on his brother Rodrick for swearing at him, [[DisproportionateRetribution which ended with Greg getting a bar of soap to his mouth]]. Rodrick [[KarmaHoudini should've been punished as well]], [[BigBrotherBully because he knew better than to spout foul language in front of his little brother]].
8th Apr '17 3:53:25 PM nombretomado
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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.

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* Tropers/KilgoreTrout faithfully bought and read just about every StarWars Expanded Universe novel published that was set after ''ReturnOfTheJedi''.''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Did I read ''ComicBook/DarkEmpire''? Yes. ''[[JediAcademyTrilogy The Jedi Academy Trilogy?]]'' Indeed, I bought that. ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]''? I didn't like it, but I still bought and read it. The only one I think I didn't read was ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'' and the ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' series. I bought all those books, from mediocre to good to awesome to terrible, because no matter how much I disliked any of them nothing was enough to make me give up on the EU entirely. (''Darksaber'' was enough to make me give up on Anderson, though.) So what finally made me swear off the EU for the foreseeable future? ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce''. One of my favourite characters, Jacen Solo, turns pure evil for the flimsiest of reasons and begins acting [[CharacterDerailment wildly out of character]]--and this wasn't just a single author getting him wrong, this was everybody. Then, he kills off another of my favourite characters, Mara Jade, which I felt was a MoralEventHorizon. You can blow up a Death Star, you can destroy Carida, but if you kill one of the EU's greatest characters how the hell are you supposed to atone for that even if you want to? Kyp Durron at least came to regret his actions and tried to atone for them. Jacen didn't. I stopped reading the books after the seventh one and read what happened next on Wookieepedia. Turns out that Jacen converted Tahiri into a Sith, so that she proceeded to become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] and does all sorts of horrible, evil shit. They kill off two of the biggest heroes in the story and top it off with a {{Retcon}}. They took Vergere, who made great points about how fucked up the Jedi philosophy was, and {{Retcon}}ed her into being a Sith because I guess Creator/GeorgeLucas got his panties in a knot over the idea of some moral ambiguity in his universe.
3rd Apr '17 5:19:35 PM esq263
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* {{Tropers/esq263}}: LiteratureLeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty.

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* {{Tropers/esq263}}: LiteratureLeftBehind. One DMOS was in ''Kingdom Come'', when Kenny Bruce's entire family and girlfriend conclude that he has turned traitor and joined The Other Light. The problem: It was known beforehand that Kenny Bruce intended to infiltrate The Other Light to spy on them, and the person who revealed his so-called "defection" was a known liar and traitor. This would be like if your son, brother, or significant other was a cop and you knew he did undercover work; then a guy who conned you out of a sum of money approached you with a transcript of a web chat or text in which said cop is soliciting someone for drugs or child porn; and, despite your knowing the cop for years and being in a familial or romantic relationship with him, you immediately believe the con man and conclude that the cop really is dirty.
dirty. This portion of the book appears to have been put in solely to add some conflict to the story. It is lacking in verisimilitude, as this troper can't imagine anyone with any sense, who really knows and loves someone, jumping to such a conclusion with such flimsy evidence.
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