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25th May '17 2:12:08 PM h31r-of-l1f3
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*@h31r-of-l1f3: I hated both [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E12DeathInHeaven Death in Heaven]] and DarkWaters for their utter destruction of my favorite enemies: The Cybermen. I love the Cybermen. I also like IronMan. They are two incredibly distinct characters. Cybermen cannot fly. The current models run on hydraulics, so they have too much weight and no space for fuel. In addition, why are they working with the Master(I refuse to say missy)? to what end is this plot? would it not conflict with ever other plot they have hatched on Earth? Also, you cannot make Cybermen from dead bodies. If you could, then they would just kill people rather than capturing them. Even if that were possible, corpses are too deteriorated to work. The Cybermen need the nerves intact. This raises another piece of nonsense: the Cyberseeds or whatever they were called. The water drops that made Cybermen. You may as well say that humans need only bleed on dogs to make more humans. There is less that an ounce of Cyberjuice on each dead body, I'm assuming, so construction of a half a ton of machinery is impossible. Even more, why are they keeping the people's personality alive? We know that the personality of the person is repressed, and only incredibly strong individuals, or incomplete/broken Cybermen remember who they were. Moreover, not only are the brains intact, but their bodies are as well! It is as if Cybermen are Iron Man, just a suit you don, not a fully integrated body with only a brain and some nerves. I loved Doctor who for many years. I watched it(in the US) since I was in Kindergarten. I walked around like a Cyberman as a kid. I only watch classic episodes occasionally now, this so totally turned me off of it.
15th May '17 3:31:47 PM SorPepita
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* @/{{bazer63}}: [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]] . "I'm half human, on my mother's side." THAT LINE. It makes me cry, and wonder if the writers actually watched Doctor Who beforehand. It makes me cringe so badly, it is the reason for the otherwise ok TV movie to be near-universally loathed by the fandom. Why you do this, America?

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* @/{{bazer63}}: [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]] .Movie]]. "I'm half human, on my mother's side." THAT LINE. It makes me cry, and wonder if the writers actually watched Doctor Who beforehand. It makes me cringe so badly, it is the reason for the otherwise ok TV movie to be near-universally loathed by the fandom. Why you do this, America?
15th May '17 3:31:20 PM SorPepita
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* {{Sinister_Sandwich}}: "Knock Knock" is one of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. It starts strongly, with Bill moving into a creepy house run by a creepy landlord with her student friends, and had great potential to be chilling. This all falls apart when the secret of the tower is revealed, resulting in one totally nonsensical plot twist after another. Why did the bugs turn the landlord's mother into a wood-nymph? Why doesn't she recognise her own son? When she does realise it's him, why does his plan fall apart? How do the bugs bring the students back to life after ''eating them alive?!'' Why does the Doctor not give a shit that a horde of alien woodlice, capable of devouring a very large house in minutes, are now loose in a major city? What did the bugs eat before they came to the house? Where did they come from? Literally none of this is explained, it's like the writers threw a load of ideas at the wall to see what stuck, and this mess is the result. In addition, the story is going for a heart-wrenching TragicMonster (which we've had three times in a row already this series, can we have something nasty for a change please?) and it's just a sappy, saccharine 'everybody lives' ending, yet again. David Suchet's talents are wasted on this pathetic excuse for an episode. Doctor Who needs to do better if I am to make it through this season with my TV intact.

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* {{Sinister_Sandwich}}: "Knock Knock" is one of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. It starts strongly, with Bill moving into a creepy house run by a creepy landlord with her student friends, and had great potential to be chilling. This all falls apart when the secret of the tower is revealed, resulting in one totally nonsensical plot twist after another. Why did the bugs turn the landlord's mother into a wood-nymph? Why doesn't she recognise her own son? When she does realise it's him, why does his plan fall apart? How do the bugs bring the students back to life after ''eating them alive?!'' Why does the Doctor not give a shit that a horde of alien woodlice, capable of devouring a very large house in minutes, are now loose in a major city? What did the bugs eat before they came to the house? Where did they come from? Literally none of this is explained, explained; it's like the writers threw a load of ideas at the wall to see what stuck, and this mess is the result. In addition, the story is going for a heart-wrenching TragicMonster (which we've had three times in a row already in this series, can we have something nasty for a change please?) and it's just a sappy, saccharine 'everybody lives' ending, yet again. David Suchet's talents are wasted on this pathetic excuse for an episode. Doctor Who needs to do better if I am to make it through this season with my TV intact.
15th May '17 3:28:29 PM SorPepita
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* [=SorPepita=]: "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E7KillTheMoon Kill the Moon]]". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.

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* [=SorPepita=]: "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E7KillTheMoon Kill "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E2DayOfTheMoon Day of the Moon]]". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.
8th May '17 2:44:14 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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* Tropers/SinisterSandwich: I am in agreement with the author of Fanfic/TheLastGreatTimeWar when I say that the Time War shown in "[[Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor The Day of the Doctor]]" massively failed to live up to expectations. No {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, no time paradoxes crashing into each other, no endlessly respawning and regenerating combatants, just Star Wars-esque laser fights. And the War Doctor, the ruthless pragmatist so brutal the other Doctors disowned him? Shoots some words into a wall and rams some Daleks with the TARDIS, something any other Doctor would have done. The worst part of all this is how the Time Lords are shown as helpless victims of the Daleks, when "The End of Time" and "Night of The Doctor" showed them to be just as bad if not worse, and the ''real'' reason the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey: to stop them from destroying reality. Creator/StevenMoffat has blatantly disregarded established canon in order to shoe-horn in 'Time War Lite,' and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.



** @/{{ApeAccount}}: For me, this episode just helped cement the idea (that I'd long suspected) that nothing that happens in the series mattered at all. Clara had seriously messed up and she died. It really did seem at the time like the writers had given her some sort of character arc, with the character having gotten progressively more cocky and thinking she could do what the Doctor could do but inevitably taking on more than she could do and facing the consequences. The consequence was death. There was a time when a character dying actually meant something (Adric may not have been the most popular character, but his death did have meaning). She'd died. She was mourned. Then she was just brought back. In fact, she was effectively made immortal and given her own TARDIS to share with another character who they brought back from the dead and made immortal a few episodes earlier. So the writers really were confirming that dying is meaningless. Characters don't die in Doctor Who because of anything that happens, they die because the writers decide to let them stay dead. I know that it's not the first time something like this has happened in the revived series (other characters have come back from the dead) but this time it seemed worse than usual. The way the death was written and then the way she was brought back, her death felt like it should be final and her coming back felt less like it fit within the series and more like some fan fiction by someone not happy with the way the character was killed off (and two Mary Sue like characters getting to fly off in their own TARDIS is EXACTLY the start of a bad fan fiction story).

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** @/{{ApeAccount}}: For me, this episode just helped cement the idea (that I'd long suspected) that nothing that happens in the series mattered at all. Clara had seriously messed up and she died. It really did seem at the time like the writers had given her some sort of character arc, with the character having gotten progressively more cocky and thinking she could do what the Doctor could do but inevitably taking on more than she could do and facing the consequences. The consequence was death. There was a time when a character dying actually meant something (Adric may not have been the most popular character, but his death did have meaning). She'd died. She was mourned. Then she was just brought back. In fact, she was effectively made immortal and given her own TARDIS to share with another character who they brought back from the dead and made immortal a few episodes earlier. So the writers really were confirming that dying is meaningless. Characters don't die in Doctor Who because of anything that happens, they die because the writers decide to let them stay dead. I know that it's not the first time something like this has happened in the revived series (other characters have come back from the dead) but this time it seemed worse than usual. The way the death was written and then the way she was brought back, her death felt like it should be final and her coming back felt less like it fit within the series and more like some fan fiction by someone not happy with the way the character was killed off (and two Mary Sue like characters getting to fly off in their own TARDIS is EXACTLY the start of a bad fan fiction story).story).
* {{Sinister_Sandwich}}: "Knock Knock" is one of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. It starts strongly, with Bill moving into a creepy house run by a creepy landlord with her student friends, and had great potential to be chilling. This all falls apart when the secret of the tower is revealed, resulting in one totally nonsensical plot twist after another. Why did the bugs turn the landlord's mother into a wood-nymph? Why doesn't she recognise her own son? When she does realise it's him, why does his plan fall apart? How do the bugs bring the students back to life after ''eating them alive?!'' Why does the Doctor not give a shit that a horde of alien woodlice, capable of devouring a very large house in minutes, are now loose in a major city? What did the bugs eat before they came to the house? Where did they come from? Literally none of this is explained, it's like the writers threw a load of ideas at the wall to see what stuck, and this mess is the result. In addition, the story is going for a heart-wrenching TragicMonster (which we've had three times in a row already this series, can we have something nasty for a change please?) and it's just a sappy, saccharine 'everybody lives' ending, yet again. David Suchet's talents are wasted on this pathetic excuse for an episode. Doctor Who needs to do better if I am to make it through this season with my TV intact.
3rd May '17 9:08:11 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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** @/{{Deadpan29}}: Concurring with this one. I could not get my suspension of disbelief over the many physics-failures regarding the moon and eggs in general. Then Clara makes a decision that the writers degree to be virtuous, but looks to me like the morally wrong choice based solely on what information was available to her. And then the Doctor turns out to have been playing a sick mind-game based off of some warped misunderstanding of human interaction. For that matter, the whole season was kind of rough as the writers all seemed off balance and ham-fisted with the new Doctor.

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** @/{{Deadpan29}}: Concurring with this one. I could not get my suspension of disbelief over the many physics-failures regarding the moon and eggs in general. Then Clara makes a decision that the writers degree to be virtuous, but looks to me like the morally wrong choice based solely on what information was available to her. And then the Doctor turns out to have been playing a sick mind-game based off of some warped misunderstanding of human interaction. For that matter, the whole season was kind of rough as the writers all seemed off balance and ham-fisted with the new Doctor.
10th Apr '17 3:39:13 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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*** @/{{cavenglok}}: Well, it's not really a blow-up button... The Doctor says he's maximizing Dalekanium power feeds, which probably means that the power feeds were meant to be useful, like to provide more energy for their armor or something. Still pretty stupid that they'd keep it in the same room as the Doctor, though...
2nd Mar '17 11:58:33 AM SorPepita
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* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E6TheCaretaker The Caretaker]]"
when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages both his intelligence and him as a person. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and taught maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military -- unless they deserve his scorn.)
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]" . All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.

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* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E6TheCaretaker The Caretaker]]"
Caretaker]]", when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages both his intelligence and him as a person. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and taught maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military -- unless they deserve his scorn.)
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]" .Bent]]". All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.
18th Feb '17 12:31:43 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* @/{{Metz77}}: Peri in general is a dethroning character, but her absolute worst moment is in her debut episode, "Planet of Fire", when Nicola Bryant, struggling to make her American accent sound even slightly convincing, attempts to be defiant at the Master with the line "I'm Perpugilliam Brown and I can shout just as loud as you can." Instead of sounding defiant and confident, it comes out shakier than a bobblehead in an earthquake.
* @/{{Sceptre}}: "The Twin Dilemma". Strangling the companion is not the best way to present a new Doctor to the world. It pretty much killed the show for twenty years. And the plot is so bad the novelization is a thousand times better, in a world where the reverse tends to happen.
* @/{{bazer63}}: The TV Movie. "I'm half human, on my mother's side." THAT LINE. It makes me cry, and wonder if the writers actually watched Doctor Who beforehand. It makes me cringe so badly, it is the reason for the otherwise ok TV movie to be near-universally loathed by the fandom. Why you do this, America?

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* @/{{Metz77}}: Peri in general is a dethroning character, but her absolute worst moment is in her debut episode, "Planet "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS21E5PlanetOfFire Planet of Fire", Fire]]", when Nicola Bryant, struggling to make her American accent sound even slightly convincing, attempts to be defiant at the Master with the line "I'm Perpugilliam Brown and I can shout just as loud as you can." Instead of sounding defiant and confident, it comes out shakier than a bobblehead in an earthquake.
* @/{{Sceptre}}: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS21E7TheTwinDilemma The Twin Dilemma".Dilemma]]". Strangling the companion is not the best way to present a new Doctor to the world. It pretty much killed the show for twenty years. And the plot is so bad the novelization is a thousand times better, in a world where the reverse tends to happen.
* @/{{bazer63}}: [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie.Movie]] . "I'm half human, on my mother's side." THAT LINE. It makes me cry, and wonder if the writers actually watched Doctor Who beforehand. It makes me cringe so badly, it is the reason for the otherwise ok TV movie to be near-universally loathed by the fandom. Why you do this, America?



* @/{{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: I sometimes tolerate New Series episodes that other fans have negative views on (specifically “Love and Monsters” and “Fear Her”, those two episodes that I don’t really find that bad). But if I can think of one episode that nearly stopped me from watching the New Series, it would be “Father’s Day”. I know what the episode writer, Paul Cornell (his written two-parter, “Human Nature” and “The Family of Blood”, were actually great), was trying to expand the rules of the space-time continuum (i.e. Reapers), but still, [[CanonDiscontinuity none of the established rules ever came back after that episode.]] What even pissed me the most was the [[JerkAss Ninth Doctor calling Rose a 'stupid ape' for saving her father from the accident,]] [[FreudianExcuse even though she did it because she wanted to get to know her father]]. I'm sorry, but as a victim of emotional abuse, that nearly made me lost my sympathy for the Ninth Doctor when [[spoiler: he regenerated]]!
* @/GentlemensDame883: At the risk of earning the ire of Nine fans, I found his chickening out of destroying both the Daleks and Earth in "Parting of the Ways", given his previously established Badassitude in taking Van Statten's gun to use against the Dalek and not flinching from Margaret Blaine's attempted shaming of Team TARDIS in "Boom Town", to be one of these.
* @/{{Rushi}}: "The Christmas Invasion". If Harriet Jones is supposed to bring a Golden Age to Britain, I believe that Ten should have let her do it. Or the Reapers should have shown up and screw him and Rose over for messing up the timeline or something.
* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: I was doing "Journey To The Center Of The Tardis" and hope someone will put it back but I am now going to add "Tooth and Claw". The behaviour of Rose, the [[DesignatedHero "perfect companion"]]. People are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf. And what does Rose do? She keeps trying to win a stupid bet with the Doctor that she can get Victoria to say she isn't amused. [[FlatWhat What]]. This isn't the time Rose! Her and 10 come across as unbearable here, seeming to [[NightmareFetishist enjoy the horrible stuff]] that's going on, when if they had any decency they would be appreciating this is not the time to be light-hearted. It's not surprising Victoria banishes, from her perspective, these terrible people who can't act serious even at the most horrific moments. Rose and 10 are thought by many as the best TARDIS team but this episode demonstrates what jerks they are when together, and I certainly feel 10's era became better when Rose left.
* [=InTheGallbladder=]: I think I'll step up to the plate and add "Love And Monsters" to the list. Lazy writing, lots of padding, shoddy humor and a mountain of stupidity all steadily accumulated over the course of the episode, to the point where they were practically unignorable. But the fun doesn't truly begin until the villain is revealed to be a complete ripoff of [[Film/AustinPowers Fat Bastard]], to the point of even having a similar-sounding accent. It's at this point that Ursula is reduced to a disembodied face that protrudes out of things. She's then robbed of her dignity, leading into the reveal that she will spend eternity a talking paving slab. [[EsotericHappyEnding This is considered a happy ending.]]

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* @/{{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: I sometimes tolerate New Series episodes that other fans have negative views on (specifically “Love and Monsters” and “Fear Her”, those two episodes that I don’t really find that bad). But if I can think of one episode that nearly stopped me from watching the New Series, it would be “Father’s Day”. “[[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E8FathersDay Father's Day]]”. I know what the episode writer, Paul Cornell (his written two-parter, “Human Nature” “[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E8HumanNature Human Nature]]” and “The “[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E9TheFamilyOfBlood The Family of Blood”, Blood]]”, were actually great), was trying to expand the rules of the space-time continuum (i.e. Reapers), but still, [[CanonDiscontinuity none of the established rules ever came back after that episode.]] What even pissed me the most was the [[JerkAss Ninth Doctor calling Rose a 'stupid ape' for saving her father from the accident,]] [[FreudianExcuse even though she did it because she wanted to get to know her father]]. I'm sorry, but as a victim of emotional abuse, that nearly made me lost my sympathy for the Ninth Doctor when [[spoiler: he regenerated]]!
* @/GentlemensDame883: At the risk of earning the ire of Nine fans, I found his chickening out of destroying both the Daleks and Earth in "Parting "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E13ThePartingOfTheWays The Parting of the Ways", Ways]]", given his previously established Badassitude in taking Van Statten's gun to use against the Dalek and not flinching from Margaret Blaine's attempted shaming of Team TARDIS in "Boom Town", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E11BoomTown Boom Town]]", to be one of these.
* @/{{Rushi}}: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWho2005CSTheChristmasInvasion The Christmas Invasion".Invasion]]". If Harriet Jones is supposed to bring a Golden Age to Britain, I believe that Ten should have let her do it. Or the Reapers should have shown up and screw him and Rose over for messing up the timeline or something.
* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: I was doing "Journey To The Center Of The Tardis" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E10JourneyToTheCentreOfTheTardis Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS]]" and hope someone will put it back but I am now going to add "Tooth "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E2ToothAndClaw Tooth and Claw".Claw]]". The behaviour of Rose, the [[DesignatedHero "perfect companion"]]. People are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf. And what does Rose do? She keeps trying to win a stupid bet with the Doctor that she can get Victoria to say she isn't amused. [[FlatWhat What]]. This isn't the time Rose! Her and 10 come across as unbearable here, seeming to [[NightmareFetishist enjoy the horrible stuff]] that's going on, when if they had any decency they would be appreciating this is not the time to be light-hearted. It's not surprising Victoria banishes, from her perspective, these terrible people who can't act serious even at the most horrific moments. Rose and 10 are thought by many as the best TARDIS team but this episode demonstrates what jerks they are when together, and I certainly feel 10's era became better when Rose left.
* [=InTheGallbladder=]: I think I'll step up to the plate and add "Love And Monsters" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E10LoveAndMonsters Love & Monsters]]" to the list. Lazy writing, lots of padding, shoddy humor and a mountain of stupidity all steadily accumulated over the course of the episode, to the point where they were practically unignorable. But the fun doesn't truly begin until the villain is revealed to be a complete ripoff of [[Film/AustinPowers Fat Bastard]], to the point of even having a similar-sounding accent. It's at this point that Ursula is reduced to a disembodied face that protrudes out of things. She's then robbed of her dignity, leading into the reveal that she will spend eternity a talking paving slab. [[EsotericHappyEnding This is considered a happy ending.]]



* @/romanatorX: Almost everything about "Fear Her" was an embarrassment to the series, from the bad acting to the idiot balls. I would nominate the childish aesop about "Love conquers all" to be the episode's nadir, but no. The ultimate low point for the entire franchise is the drawing of Chloe's abusive dad being turned back to life. So how do they defeat him? Chloe and her mother... sing him away. Yes, you heard that right. They sing a living being away. That is so childish that it is actually insulting to the millions of fans who practically begged the BBC to bring back ''Series/DoctorWho'' for so many years. And even if it wasn't prodding to the youngest demographic, you could tell that the writers, when coming up for an ending to this episode, threw their hands up in the air and said "We don't give a damn!" Give me the charm (mediocre special effects, SoBadItsGood acting) of the old series over this childish excuse of a ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode any day.
* NCZ: "Last of the Time Lords". When all hope is lost and the heroes (and writer) have been backed into an inescapable corner, [[TastesLikeDiabetes Martha gets everyone in the world to say the word, "Doctor" at the exact same time,]] which transforms The Doctor into Jesus and allows him to defeat The Master. It's ludicrously cheesy and a DeusExMachina at its finest. And to top it all off, we get a ResetButton ending, and The Master comes back anyway.

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* @/romanatorX: Almost everything about "Fear Her" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E11FearHer Fear Her]]" was an embarrassment to the series, from the bad acting to the idiot balls. I would nominate the childish aesop about "Love conquers all" to be the episode's nadir, but no. The ultimate low point for the entire franchise is the drawing of Chloe's abusive dad being turned back to life. So how do they defeat him? Chloe and her mother... sing him away. Yes, you heard that right. They sing a living being away. That is so childish that it is actually insulting to the millions of fans who practically begged the BBC to bring back ''Series/DoctorWho'' for so many years. And even if it wasn't prodding to the youngest demographic, you could tell that the writers, when coming up for an ending to this episode, threw their hands up in the air and said "We don't give a damn!" Give me the charm (mediocre special effects, SoBadItsGood acting) of the old series over this childish excuse of a ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode any day.
* NCZ: "Last "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords Last of the Time Lords".Lords]]". When all hope is lost and the heroes (and writer) have been backed into an inescapable corner, [[TastesLikeDiabetes Martha gets everyone in the world to say the word, "Doctor" at the exact same time,]] which transforms The Doctor into Jesus and allows him to defeat The Master. It's ludicrously cheesy and a DeusExMachina at its finest. And to top it all off, we get a ResetButton ending, and The Master comes back anyway.



* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: As much as I disliked Donna (... which is a lot, by the way) the titular girl in "The Doctor's Daughter". Now, not only do I take issue with introducing an item that can single-handedly allow the Doctor to recreate the Time Lord race (granted he has gone back and forth on whether or not that would be a good thing or not, but it's still worrisome), but then functions as a massive CanonSue, being birthed fully formed with Time Lord intelligence and ActionGirl abilities. But the absolute dethroning moment was the end. Despite being, you know, dead, she regenerated... but for some reason, she kept her body and instantly went on an AndTheAdventureContinues.
* @/{{Renita}}: "Journey's End". So, many reasons, including the regeneration tease, the Clone Doctor, the Doctor's reaction to the Clone Doctor's rational decision to kill the Daleks when they were clearly beyond redemption, the Doctor fobbing Rose off with the Clone Doctor, Donna defeating the Daleks with Time Lord leet haxxor skillz, Donna being given a psychic lobotomy, the Earth being towed back whilst that "you should feel moved now" music plays in the background like a cue card and Davros being downgraded from MagnificentBastard to a Dalek pet just to sate the wrath of the FanDumb that objected to him ever overshadowing his creations despite being far more interesting than they are.

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* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: As much as I disliked Donna (... which is a lot, by the way) the titular girl in "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E6TheDoctorsDaughter The Doctor's Daughter".Daughter]]". Now, not only do I take issue with introducing an item that can single-handedly allow the Doctor to recreate the Time Lord race (granted he has gone back and forth on whether or not that would be a good thing or not, but it's still worrisome), but then functions as a massive CanonSue, being birthed fully formed with Time Lord intelligence and ActionGirl abilities. But the absolute dethroning moment was the end. Despite being, you know, dead, she regenerated... but for some reason, she kept her body and instantly went on an AndTheAdventureContinues.
* @/{{Renita}}: "Journey's End"."[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd Journey's End]]". So, many reasons, including the regeneration tease, the Clone Doctor, the Doctor's reaction to the Clone Doctor's rational decision to kill the Daleks when they were clearly beyond redemption, the Doctor fobbing Rose off with the Clone Doctor, Donna defeating the Daleks with Time Lord leet haxxor skillz, Donna being given a psychic lobotomy, the Earth being towed back whilst that "you should feel moved now" music plays in the background like a cue card and Davros being downgraded from MagnificentBastard to a Dalek pet just to sate the wrath of the FanDumb that objected to him ever overshadowing his creations despite being far more interesting than they are.



* @/{{Crazyrabbits}}: The "dramatic" gun scene in "The End Of Time, Pt 2". Was there really any doubt that The Doctor was going to shoot the computer maintaining the link? Not to mention that [[spoiler: the other supposed targets in question could both regenerate and shoot lightning bolts from their hands]]. It even underscores the power of the next scene, where [[spoiler:a pissed-off Master unloads all the electricity he has into Rassilon, driving him back into the gateway]].

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* @/{{Crazyrabbits}}: The "dramatic" gun scene in "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18TheEndOfTime The End Of Time, Pt 2".of Time]]". Was there really any doubt that The Doctor was going to shoot the computer maintaining the link? Not to mention that [[spoiler: the other supposed targets in question could both regenerate and shoot lightning bolts from their hands]]. It even underscores the power of the next scene, where [[spoiler:a pissed-off Master unloads all the electricity he has into Rassilon, driving him back into the gateway]].



** {{Tropers/FezJez}}: After going to great lengths to establish in Journey's End and reassert in The End Of Time Part 1 that if Donna remembers her time with the Doctor then "her mind will burn and she will die", Russell T. Davies completely ignores it and instead has her unleash a Master-blasting booby trap and then wake up later perfectly alright with no other explanation than the Doctor's line "Do you really think I'd leave my best friend without a defence mechanism". Lame doesn't even begin to describe it.
* [=SorPepita=]: "Day of the Moon". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.
* @/{{nostalgicfan}}: "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe". The underlying Christmas message quoted: "Men are weak". I have forgiven almost everything in Doctor Who, but I cannot forgive this episode. The plot holes are just huge and would take an entire page to fill, but I'll take one: The Doctor, a neigh immortal Time Lord, with memories of over ten lifetimes (which, when the Flesh tried to emulate, it was completely overwhelmed by without the Doctor keeping it together), was an unsuitable carrier for the [[OurSoulsAreDifferent Tree Lights]] because of his male organs. Fortunately, there was a woman around, so she could fly the tree-ship through the Time Vortex. No kudos was given to the young boy who had led them there (and come on, would any kid 'really' do that if they found a magic portal?). The message was vindicated as much as possible by the plot by having all the male characters act like gung-ho idiots, with only the women being the sensible ones. I just want to forget this episode ever existed, and I genuinely feel sorry for any young boy who watched this one.
* James Picard: "Asylum of the Daleks". The entire episode relied on viewers eating up incredibly dumb stuff. The Daleks characterization is completely ignored, the much-hyped "Classic Daleks" only get cameos; the Amy and Rory divorce was stupid, offensive, and to finally twist the knife in the wound, it was filler! [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It never came up again!]] Then there was the fact that even Oswin's voice was inconsistent, and really, it was just a horrible episode that needed either major rewrites, or just plain trashing. This was Moffat's lowest point for me.

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** {{Tropers/FezJez}}: After going to great lengths to establish in Journey's End and reassert in The End Of Time Part 1 that if Donna remembers her time with the Doctor then "her mind will burn and she will die", Russell T. Davies Creator/RussellTDavies completely ignores it and instead has her unleash a Master-blasting booby trap and then wake up later perfectly alright with no other explanation than the Doctor's line "Do you really think I'd leave my best friend without a defence mechanism". Lame doesn't even begin to describe it.
* [=SorPepita=]: "Day of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E7KillTheMoon Kill the Moon".Moon]]". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.
* @/{{nostalgicfan}}: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWho2011CSTheDoctorTheWidowAndTheWardrobe The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe".Wardrobe]]". The underlying Christmas message quoted: "Men are weak". I have forgiven almost everything in Doctor Who, ''Doctor Who'', but I cannot forgive this episode. The plot holes are just huge and would take an entire page to fill, but I'll take one: The Doctor, a neigh immortal Time Lord, with memories of over ten lifetimes (which, when the Flesh tried to emulate, it was completely overwhelmed by without the Doctor keeping it together), was an unsuitable carrier for the [[OurSoulsAreDifferent Tree Lights]] because of his male organs. Fortunately, there was a woman around, so she could fly the tree-ship through the Time Vortex. No kudos was given to the young boy who had led them there (and come on, would any kid 'really' do that if they found a magic portal?). The message was vindicated as much as possible by the plot by having all the male characters act like gung-ho idiots, with only the women being the sensible ones. I just want to forget this episode ever existed, and I genuinely feel sorry for any young boy who watched this one.
* James Picard: "Asylum "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E1AsylumOfTheDaleks Asylum of the Daleks".Daleks]]". The entire episode relied on viewers eating up incredibly dumb stuff. The Daleks characterization is completely ignored, the much-hyped "Classic Daleks" only get cameos; the Amy and Rory divorce was stupid, offensive, and to finally twist the knife in the wound, it was filler! [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It never came up again!]] Then there was the fact that even Oswin's voice was inconsistent, and really, it was just a horrible episode that needed either major rewrites, or just plain trashing. This was Moffat's lowest point for me.



* Kellor: "The Power of Three". As others have summed it up, it's like the writer came up with an interesting idea, wrote himself into a corner, and came up with a nonsense ending just to be done with it. We've got an alien race that the Time Lords apparently believed were just a myth (which seems like a phrase we've heard so much that's it's become cliche). They want to stop humanity from colonizing space. This is a cool motivation that is just wasted on this episode- there's no sympathetic or even relatable face put on the Shakri, they're just another race of jerks. We don't even meet a real one, just a soapboxing hologram. They're advanced enough that they can time travel, build indestructible and scientifically inscrutable devices, and can hide in parallel dimensions. Yet the best plan they could come up with took a year to execute and only killed a third of humanity. Only the aliens from ''Plan 9'' were less competent. Had the cubes used biological, chemical, or even conventional weapons, Earth would have been screwed. One of the cubes sprouted a gun and flew around shooting- why didn't they all do that? And why did they need to study humanity for 47 minutes if they came from a future that was overrun by humans? Why did one of the cubes play the Chicken Dance? Why was the robot girl with the weird eyes sitting in that hospital all year? Why were the aliens (androids?) with the weird mouths kidnapping people from the hospital? Nothing made sense. Added to that, we've got Brian sitting in the Tardis watching a cube for two days straight without moving or anyone noticing (remember when Mickey was justifiably miffed about holding a lever in the Tardis for an hour?), we've got the Doctor being a real pain in the ass about sitting still for a few minutes, and we've got all of humanity bringing unknown alien things into their homes and businesses because humanity is just quirky like that. This didn't have characters playing with an IdiotBall, it had everyone playing in an Idiot Ball pit.

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* Kellor: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E4ThePowerOfThree The Power of Three".Three]]". As others have summed it up, it's like the writer came up with an interesting idea, wrote himself into a corner, and came up with a nonsense ending just to be done with it. We've got an alien race that the Time Lords apparently believed were just a myth (which seems like a phrase we've heard so much that's it's become cliche). They want to stop humanity from colonizing space. This is a cool motivation that is just wasted on this episode- there's no sympathetic or even relatable face put on the Shakri, they're just another race of jerks. We don't even meet a real one, just a soapboxing hologram. They're advanced enough that they can time travel, build indestructible and scientifically inscrutable devices, and can hide in parallel dimensions. Yet the best plan they could come up with took a year to execute and only killed a third of humanity. Only the aliens from ''Plan 9'' were less competent. Had the cubes used biological, chemical, or even conventional weapons, Earth would have been screwed. One of the cubes sprouted a gun and flew around shooting- why didn't they all do that? And why did they need to study humanity for 47 minutes if they came from a future that was overrun by humans? Why did one of the cubes play the Chicken Dance? Why was the robot girl with the weird eyes sitting in that hospital all year? Why were the aliens (androids?) with the weird mouths kidnapping people from the hospital? Nothing made sense. Added to that, we've got Brian sitting in the Tardis watching a cube for two days straight without moving or anyone noticing (remember when Mickey was justifiably miffed about holding a lever in the Tardis for an hour?), we've got the Doctor being a real pain in the ass about sitting still for a few minutes, and we've got all of humanity bringing unknown alien things into their homes and businesses because humanity is just quirky like that. This didn't have characters playing with an IdiotBall, it had everyone playing in an Idiot Ball pit.



* @/DarkHero9: "The Angels Take Manhattan", just all of it. But if you want a more specific reason for why this episode is the lowest point in the Moffat era, we'll begin with the ridiculousness of the plot that relies on a paradox that makes absolutely no sense after you think about it. A new rule that comes right out of nowhere that subverts the "Time can be rewritten" message that had existed throughout. Not only that, but Amy and Rory's departure is the worst companion departure ever on this show, simply because of how mean-spirited it is, as well as rendering the bulk of the plot of the episode completely pointless. It's the worst case of TheBadGuyWins that I have ever seen in any media. Especially since, in all honesty, their stories ended just fine in Series 6; there was absolutely no reason to do this episode other than because Moffat apparently disagreed. Not only that, but it doesn't match the tone of the rest of Series 7, especially where Amy and Rory's story was going. This episode sucks and deserves to be forgotten, it's such an absolute waste of two awesome characters in the worst way imaginable.

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* @/DarkHero9: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E5TheAngelsTakeManhattan The Angels Take Manhattan", Manhattan]]", just all of it. But if you want a more specific reason for why this episode is the lowest point in the Moffat era, we'll begin with the ridiculousness of the plot that relies on a paradox that makes absolutely no sense after you think about it. A new rule that comes right out of nowhere that subverts the "Time can be rewritten" message that had existed throughout. Not only that, but Amy and Rory's departure is the worst companion departure ever on this show, simply because of how mean-spirited it is, as well as rendering the bulk of the plot of the episode completely pointless. It's the worst case of TheBadGuyWins that I have ever seen in any media. Especially since, in all honesty, their stories ended just fine in Series 6; there was absolutely no reason to do this episode other than because Moffat apparently disagreed. Not only that, but it doesn't match the tone of the rest of Series 7, especially where Amy and Rory's story was going. This episode sucks and deserves to be forgotten, it's such an absolute waste of two awesome characters in the worst way imaginable.



* @/{{SbenLives}}: "The Rings of Akhaten" contained a lot of stupid decisions, like the dreadful singing element, but my breaking point was how the planet-eating planet creature was destroyed. Seriously, that single leaf (one that led, somehow, to Clara being born) contained more stories for the thing to feed on than what the Doctor himself offered up?! One could argue the issue with what Clara ended up doing in "The Name of the Doctor," but it still grated. That whole resolution reeked of Clara becoming Moffat's CreatorsPet.
** @/{{zoop}}: I never even made it to the end of the episode. First, I have a pet peeve about the Time Lords' "universal translation" sometimes working and sometimes not. It's all right if there's an explanation for it failing, like in The Satan Pit, but here it just... randomly fails. Second, the Doctor runs off, abandoning Clara on an alien planet for no reason whatsoever. But the final blow was when the Doctor was discussing the planet's religious beliefs. Clara asks him if it's true and he brushes it off with a very dismissive "Well, it's a nice story." Thank-you, Doctor, for dismissing every major religion in the world. Yeah, it's a nice story... which happens to be true for the people who believe in it. If you don't understand why I'm upset then imagine this: Suppose Neil Degrasse Tyson were to tell the Pope about the big bang. When he's done, the Pope just chuckles and says, "Well, that's a nice story." I think you can see where I'm coming from. I turned it off at that point.
* @/NovusWulf: "Nightmare in Silver". The episode shows signs of running out of ideas when the whole Imperium is unashamedly ripped straight from Warhammer 40,000 - "Punisment Platoon" being a nice rewording of Penal Squad, the soldiers clearly dressed like classic Cadians and armed with Lasguns, and they even have a goddamned Emperor (who mercifully is NOT a corpse on a Golden Throne, thank god)! However, where I really take umbridge with this episode is what it did to the Cybermen. It's something Moffat and team have been doing for a while now - first the Daleks being changed from a Nazi Allegory to "they take love and replace it with hate" or some other BS, but now they've turned the Cybermen into a carbon copy of the Borg! Weren't the Borg Cybermen ripoffs? At any rate, the sheer amount of Plagiarism going on and the absolutely awful re-imaging of the Cybermen makes this episode my new low point. Oh, and those insufferable, terribly acting kids (who were to some credit at least out of the way for most of the running time). Good god, Moffat and friends, was this awful.
* fluffything: I'll just flat-out say it. I did not like "The Name Of The Doctor". I felt it was overhyped, had an uninteresting villain (sorry, but The Great Intelligence does not deserve to be among the likes of The Master and/or Davros as an arch-nemesis for The Doctor), and ended on a predictable cliffhanger (Though, I will admit I do like the idea of Creator/JohnHurt as an alternate Doctor). But, my biggest problem is the reveal of who or what Clara is. How she is able to exist in many different timelines at once. The reveal? [[spoiler: It is due to her entering The Doctor's time-stream (IE: his life) in order to save him from the GI causing her life to split into over a million different versions]]. That's right, the whole thing was one big [[BecauseDestinySaysSo "Clara is destined to save The Doctor!"]] reveal. Or, to put it bluntly, they turned Clara into one big MarySue. What should've been a huge reveal for The Doctor is turned yet into another "Clara-centered" episode as she once again steals the spotlight. They could've had River, Strax, Jenny, and Vastra all joining Clara as she [[spoiler: enters The Doctor's time-stream to save him from the GI]] in a big epic moment of "Let's save The Doctor". But, nope, instead, we have to have Clara be miss PuritySue and sacrifice herself to save The Doctor all by herself because otherwise we couldn't reveal that this is how she exists in multiple time streams. What a load of bull. Give me back [[FanNickname "Dalek Oswin".]] At least she was more interesting and compelling of a character than little miss MarySue here.
* @/{{ThatRandomGuy42}}: I'm not angry over "The Time of the Doctor", but it was rather disappointing in many aspects. The massive war on Trenzalore didn't look like much of a war until near the end, there were one too many things to keep track off (especially with the TimeSkip mechanic thrown in) and the solution to the Doctor's regeneration cycle was... too simple. Call me weird for thinking that, but [[spoiler: Clara begging the Time Lords to give him a new cycle and having it work seemed a bit too... easy. I was expecting a more complex method from Moffat.]] It's probably because that I wasn't the biggest fan of [[spoiler: Amy]] but her cameo right at the end did nothing for me other than remind me that she was his companion. Finally, the Doctor's regeneration happening in the blink of an eye felt a little off compared to the spectacular regenerations of the 8th, War, 9th and 10th Doctors. Some things worked in the episode, but it was far from perfect.
* Tropers/SinisterSandwich: I am in agreement with the author of Fanfic/TheLastGreatTimeWar when I say that the Time War shown in "The Day of The Doctor" massively failed to live up to expectations. No {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, no time paradoxes crashing into each other, no endlessly respawning and regenerating combatants, just Star Wars-esque laser fights. And the War Doctor, the ruthless pragmatist so brutal the other Doctors disowned him? Shoots some words into a wall and rams some Daleks with the TARDIS, something any other Doctor would have done. The worst part of all this is how the Time Lords are shown as helpless victims of the Daleks, when "The End of Time" and "Night of The Doctor" showed them to be just as bad if not worse, and the ''real'' reason the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey: to stop them from destroying reality. Steven Moffat has blatantly disregarded established canon in order to shoe-horn in 'Time War Lite,' and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
* Tropers/CumbersomeTurcel: "Into the Dalek" had the moment that killed any and all likeability Clara had. Not only does she hit the Doctor and get away with it, but she cracks a stupid, tasteless joke to Danny ("You shoot people and have a little cry about it?"). She patronised and insulted a war veteran to his face and got away with it. Why Danny would have anything more to do with her after that, I have no idea. She went from an uninteresting plot device, to smug, condescending, narcissistic bitch in the space of two Doctors. That raven couldn't come fast enough for me.
* @/{{bazer63}} Listen. It started out as a decent episode with a couple of problems (like copying off other episodes, and a pointless subplot) but that last scene kicked it to where it deserved a place on this list. First off, we don't want a scene of the Doctor's childhood. That's what we have fanfic for. It ruins the mystery of him. Second of all, that thing was obviously an alien and EVERYTHING up until that point was telling us this: the special effects, the sound, the script, the acting, EVERYTHING. And finally, Clara influenced The Doctor's entire life and exists only for The Doctor. This was stupid the first time around for undermining The Doctor's ability to problem solve and being a stupid end to yet another stupid subplot, but doing it again reduced the Doctor to absolutely nothing. It's a bit like Love and Monsters: ok, even good until the final 5 minutes where the writer goes out of its way to reduce the episode to a pile of ***.

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* @/{{SbenLives}}: "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E7TheRingsOfAkhaten The Rings of Akhaten" Akhaten]]" contained a lot of stupid decisions, like the dreadful singing element, but my breaking point was how the planet-eating planet creature was destroyed. Seriously, that single leaf (one that led, somehow, to Clara being born) contained more stories for the thing to feed on than what the Doctor himself offered up?! One could argue the issue with what Clara ended up doing in "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor The Name of the Doctor," Doctor]]", but it still grated. That whole resolution reeked of Clara becoming Moffat's CreatorsPet.
** @/{{zoop}}: I never even made it to the end of the episode. First, I have a pet peeve about the Time Lords' "universal translation" sometimes working and sometimes not. It's all right if there's an explanation for it failing, like in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit The Satan Pit, Pit]]", but here it just... randomly fails. Second, the Doctor runs off, abandoning Clara on an alien planet for no reason whatsoever. But the final blow was when the Doctor was discussing the planet's religious beliefs. Clara asks him if it's true and he brushes it off with a very dismissive "Well, it's a nice story." Thank-you, Doctor, for dismissing every major religion in the world. Yeah, it's a nice story... which happens to be true for the people who believe in it. If you don't understand why I'm upset then imagine this: Suppose Neil Degrasse Tyson were to tell the Pope about the big bang. When he's done, the Pope just chuckles and says, "Well, that's a nice story." I think you can see where I'm coming from. I turned it off at that point.
* @/NovusWulf: "Nightmare "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver Nightmare in Silver".Silver]]". The episode shows signs of running out of ideas when the whole Imperium is unashamedly ripped straight from Warhammer 40,000 - "Punisment Platoon" being a nice rewording of Penal Squad, the soldiers clearly dressed like classic Cadians and armed with Lasguns, and they even have a goddamned Emperor (who mercifully is NOT a corpse on a Golden Throne, thank god)! However, where I really take umbridge with this episode is what it did to the Cybermen. It's something Moffat and team have been doing for a while now - first the Daleks being changed from a Nazi Allegory to "they take love and replace it with hate" or some other BS, but now they've turned the Cybermen into a carbon copy of the Borg! Weren't the Borg Cybermen ripoffs? At any rate, the sheer amount of Plagiarism going on and the absolutely awful re-imaging of the Cybermen makes this episode my new low point. Oh, and those insufferable, terribly acting kids (who were to some credit at least out of the way for most of the running time). Good god, Moffat and friends, was this awful.
* fluffything: I'll just flat-out say it. I did not like "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor The Name Of The Doctor".of the Doctor]]". I felt it was overhyped, had an uninteresting villain (sorry, but The Great Intelligence does not deserve to be among the likes of The Master and/or Davros as an arch-nemesis for The Doctor), and ended on a predictable cliffhanger (Though, I will admit I do like the idea of Creator/JohnHurt as an alternate Doctor). But, my biggest problem is the reveal of who or what Clara is. How she is able to exist in many different timelines at once. The reveal? [[spoiler: It is due to her entering The Doctor's time-stream (IE: his life) in order to save him from the GI causing her life to split into over a million different versions]]. That's right, the whole thing was one big [[BecauseDestinySaysSo "Clara is destined to save The Doctor!"]] reveal. Or, to put it bluntly, they turned Clara into one big MarySue. What should've been a huge reveal for The Doctor is turned yet into another "Clara-centered" episode as she once again steals the spotlight. They could've had River, Strax, Jenny, and Vastra all joining Clara as she [[spoiler: enters The Doctor's time-stream to save him from the GI]] in a big epic moment of "Let's save The Doctor". But, nope, instead, we have to have Clara be miss PuritySue and sacrifice herself to save The Doctor all by herself because otherwise we couldn't reveal that this is how she exists in multiple time streams. What a load of bull. Give me back [[FanNickname "Dalek Oswin".]] At least she was more interesting and compelling of a character than little miss MarySue here.
* @/{{ThatRandomGuy42}}: I'm not angry over "The "[[Recap/DoctorWho2013CSTheTimeOfTheDoctor The Time of the Doctor", Doctor]]", but it was rather disappointing in many aspects. The massive war on Trenzalore didn't look like much of a war until near the end, there were one too many things to keep track off (especially with the TimeSkip mechanic thrown in) and the solution to the Doctor's regeneration cycle was... too simple. Call me weird for thinking that, but [[spoiler: Clara begging the Time Lords to give him a new cycle and having it work seemed a bit too... easy. I was expecting a more complex method from Moffat.]] It's probably because that I wasn't the biggest fan of [[spoiler: Amy]] but her cameo right at the end did nothing for me other than remind me that she was his companion. Finally, the Doctor's regeneration happening in the blink of an eye felt a little off compared to the spectacular regenerations of the 8th, War, 9th and 10th Doctors. Some things worked in the episode, but it was far from perfect.
* Tropers/SinisterSandwich: I am in agreement with the author of Fanfic/TheLastGreatTimeWar when I say that the Time War shown in "The "[[Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor The Day of The Doctor" the Doctor]]" massively failed to live up to expectations. No {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, no time paradoxes crashing into each other, no endlessly respawning and regenerating combatants, just Star Wars-esque laser fights. And the War Doctor, the ruthless pragmatist so brutal the other Doctors disowned him? Shoots some words into a wall and rams some Daleks with the TARDIS, something any other Doctor would have done. The worst part of all this is how the Time Lords are shown as helpless victims of the Daleks, when "The End of Time" and "Night of The Doctor" showed them to be just as bad if not worse, and the ''real'' reason the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey: to stop them from destroying reality. Steven Moffat Creator/StevenMoffat has blatantly disregarded established canon in order to shoe-horn in 'Time War Lite,' and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
* Tropers/CumbersomeTurcel: "Into "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek" Dalek]]" had the moment that killed any and all likeability Clara had. Not only does she hit the Doctor and get away with it, but she cracks a stupid, tasteless joke to Danny ("You shoot people and have a little cry about it?"). She patronised and insulted a war veteran to his face and got away with it. Why Danny would have anything more to do with her after that, I have no idea. She went from an uninteresting plot device, to smug, condescending, narcissistic bitch in the space of two Doctors. That raven couldn't come fast enough for me.
* @/{{bazer63}} Listen."[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E4Listen Listen]]". It started out as a decent episode with a couple of problems (like copying off other episodes, and a pointless subplot) but that last scene kicked it to where it deserved a place on this list. First off, we don't want a scene of the Doctor's childhood. That's what we have fanfic for. It ruins the mystery of him. Second of all, that thing was obviously an alien and EVERYTHING up until that point was telling us this: the special effects, the sound, the script, the acting, EVERYTHING. And finally, Clara influenced The Doctor's entire life and exists only for The Doctor. This was stupid the first time around for undermining The Doctor's ability to problem solve and being a stupid end to yet another stupid subplot, but doing it again reduced the Doctor to absolutely nothing. It's a bit like Love and Monsters: ok, even good until the final 5 minutes where the writer goes out of its way to reduce the episode to a pile of ***.



* @/{{Silverblade2}}: "In The Forest Of The Night" was as a whole lackluster but there's the moment that defies all logic. The Doctor and Clara find out that there's an upcoming solar flare that will burn the earth and it's too late to save the day. So Clara proposes the Doctor to "Save what you can". When they all go back to the TARDIS, Clara confesses that it was a trick and in fact wants him to go alone. She states that the children wouldn't want to be separated from their parents, Danny wouldn't want to be separated from the children and for herself, she doesn't want to be the last human. What The Hell Clara? Why do you think you are entitled to refuse the chance for humanity to survive? Losing one's parent is, of course, a huge traumatism but it doesn't mean that the children don't want to live without them. Said children don't even know that the earth is going to burn! In short, Clara uncharacteristically decides to let the children die horribly without bothering to ask their opinion on the matter. The Doctor doesn't try to argue as if she was right. Even thought, I'm sure, the parents would beg the Doctor to save their children. It also negated the "I don't want to be the last of my kind" speech because she could have chosen to save herself, Danny and the children.
* @/{{Asger}}: I had tolerated Clara for the most part. She was grating since Twelve's debut and has steadily became less tolerable and more obnoxious (In tandem with the growth of how much she stole the spotlight from, you know the character the show is fucking named for) but the absolute nadir for me came in 'Dark Water.' Danny dies, literally didn't care at all, and in a dream sequence brought about by the Doctor she showed that she was willing to drug her 'friend', steal all his TARDIS keys and destroy them if he refused to bring Danny back to life, an event that the Doctor said would likely destroy all of spacetime. After this, the Doctor is a-okay with her and doesn't tell her to fuck off and never return for what must be one of the most vile acts of betrayal ever shown by a companion, fantasy or not. He doesn't even really scold her, he just turns into a goddamn doormat so she can have her way. What the actual fuck?

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* @/{{Silverblade2}}: "In The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E10InTheForestOfTheNight In the Forest Of The Night" of the Night]]" was as a whole lackluster but there's the moment that defies all logic. The Doctor and Clara find out that there's an upcoming solar flare that will burn the earth and it's too late to save the day. So Clara proposes the Doctor to "Save what you can". When they all go back to the TARDIS, Clara confesses that it was a trick and in fact wants him to go alone. She states that the children wouldn't want to be separated from their parents, Danny wouldn't want to be separated from the children and for herself, she doesn't want to be the last human. What The Hell Clara? Why do you think you are entitled to refuse the chance for humanity to survive? Losing one's parent is, of course, a huge traumatism but it doesn't mean that the children don't want to live without them. Said children don't even know that the earth is going to burn! In short, Clara uncharacteristically decides to let the children die horribly without bothering to ask their opinion on the matter. The Doctor doesn't try to argue as if she was right. Even thought, I'm sure, the parents would beg the Doctor to save their children. It also negated the "I don't want to be the last of my kind" speech because she could have chosen to save herself, Danny and the children.
* @/{{Asger}}: I had tolerated Clara for the most part. She was grating since Twelve's debut and has steadily became less tolerable and more obnoxious (In tandem with the growth of how much she stole the spotlight from, you know the character the show is fucking named for) but the absolute nadir for me came in 'Dark Water.' "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E11DarkWater Dark Water]]". Danny dies, literally didn't care at all, and in a dream sequence brought about by the Doctor she showed that she was willing to drug her 'friend', steal all his TARDIS keys and destroy them if he refused to bring Danny back to life, an event that the Doctor said would likely destroy all of spacetime. After this, the Doctor is a-okay with her and doesn't tell her to fuck off and never return for what must be one of the most vile acts of betrayal ever shown by a companion, fantasy or not. He doesn't even really scold her, he just turns into a goddamn doormat so she can have her way. What the actual fuck?



* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death in Heaven" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler: upon finding out that Gallifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.
* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in 'The Caretaker' when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages both his intelligence and him as a person. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and taught maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military -- unless they deserve his scorn.)
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.

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* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E12DeathInHeaven Death in Heaven" Heaven]]" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler: upon finding out that Gallifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.
* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in 'The Caretaker' in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E6TheCaretaker The Caretaker]]"
when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages both his intelligence and him as a person. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and taught maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military -- unless they deserve his scorn.)
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'."[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]" . All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.
3rd Feb '17 2:10:59 AM Doug86
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* Tropers/SinisterSandwich: I am in agreement with the author of Fanfic/TheLastGreatTimeWar when I say that the Time War shown in "The Day of The Doctor" massively failed to live up to expectations. No EldritchAbominations, no time paradoxes crashing into each other, no endlessly respawning and regenerating combatants, just Star Wars-esque laser fights. And the War Doctor, the ruthless pragmatist so brutal the other Doctors disowned him? Shoots some words into a wall and rams some Daleks with the TARDIS, something any other Doctor would have done. The worst part of all this is how the Time Lords are shown as helpless victims of the Daleks, when "The End of Time" and "Night of The Doctor" showed them to be just as bad if not worse, and the ''real'' reason the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey: to stop them from destroying reality. Steven Moffat has blatantly disregarded established canon in order to shoe-horn in 'Time War Lite,' and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

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* Tropers/SinisterSandwich: I am in agreement with the author of Fanfic/TheLastGreatTimeWar when I say that the Time War shown in "The Day of The Doctor" massively failed to live up to expectations. No EldritchAbominations, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, no time paradoxes crashing into each other, no endlessly respawning and regenerating combatants, just Star Wars-esque laser fights. And the War Doctor, the ruthless pragmatist so brutal the other Doctors disowned him? Shoots some words into a wall and rams some Daleks with the TARDIS, something any other Doctor would have done. The worst part of all this is how the Time Lords are shown as helpless victims of the Daleks, when "The End of Time" and "Night of The Doctor" showed them to be just as bad if not worse, and the ''real'' reason the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey: to stop them from destroying reality. Steven Moffat has blatantly disregarded established canon in order to shoe-horn in 'Time War Lite,' and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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