History DethroningMoment / DoctorWho

23rd May '16 9:33:38 AM SorPepita
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* @/{{LahmacunKebab}}: "Day of the Moon". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity since prehistory just because they wanted space suits? Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it.

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* @/{{LahmacunKebab}}: [=SorPepita=]: "Day of the Moon". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity since from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it.it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.
21st Mar '16 8:59:16 AM timotaka
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** @/{{timotaka}}: Most people might consider this a trivially small thing, but it managed to piss me the right off: A (white) male Time Lord regenerates into a (black) female. This itself is not so bad, but then the first thing she says is she's "back to normal" and how bad it was to be a man. Imagine the situation reversed: A female Time Lord regenerates into a male and his first words are, "Ooh, being a man is much better. Now I can keep my emotions in check and think clearly for a change!" Way to be stupid ''and'' insult half of everybody!
19th Feb '16 1:11:47 PM Deadpan29
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**@/{{Deadpan29}}: Concurring with this one. I could not get my suspension of disbelief over the many physics-failures regarding the moon and eggs in general. Then Clara makes a decision that the writers degree to be virtuous, but looks to me like the morally wrong choice based solely on what information was available to her. And then the Doctor turns out to have been playing a sick mind-game based off of some warped misunderstanding of human interaction. For that matter, the whole season was kind of rough as the writers all seemed off balance and ham-fisted with the new Doctor.
9th Feb '16 7:46:50 AM MrThorfan64
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* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: I was doing "Journey To The Center Of The Tardis" and hope someone will put it back but I am now going to add "Tooth and Claw". The behaviour of Rose, the [[DesignatedHero "perfect companion"]]. People are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf. And what does Rose do? She keeps trying to win a stupid bet with the Doctor that she can get Victoria to say she isn't amused. [[FlatWhat What]]. This isn't the time Rose! Her and 10 come across as unbearable here, seeming to [[NightmareFetishist enjoy the horrible stuff]] that's going on. It's not surprising Victoria banishes, from her perspective, these terrible people. Rose and 10 are thought by many as the best TARDIS team but this episode demonstrates what jerks they are. Thank Eru and Dionysus Rose left at the end of the Series. That was when 10's era became better.

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* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: I was doing "Journey To The Center Of The Tardis" and hope someone will put it back but I am now going to add "Tooth and Claw". The behaviour of Rose, the [[DesignatedHero "perfect companion"]]. People are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf. And what does Rose do? She keeps trying to win a stupid bet with the Doctor that she can get Victoria to say she isn't amused. [[FlatWhat What]]. This isn't the time Rose! Her and 10 come across as unbearable here, seeming to [[NightmareFetishist enjoy the horrible stuff]] that's going on. on, when if they had any decency they would be appreciating this is not the time to be light-hearted. It's not surprising Victoria banishes, from her perspective, these terrible people. people who can't act serious even at the most horrific moments. Rose and 10 are thought by many as the best TARDIS team but this episode demonstrates what jerks they are. Thank Eru and Dionysus Rose left at the end of the Series. That was are when together, and I certainly feel 10's era became better.better when Rose left.
12th Jan '16 2:28:57 PM KennethMorgan
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** @/{{KennethMorgan}}: The biggest problem with "Hell Bent" is that it's not a resolution to the mystery of the Hybrid. It's not the Doctor's long-awaited return to Gallifrey. It's not the Doctor confronting those who helped cause Clara's death, and then tormented him for billions of years. In the end, the episode turns out to actually be nothing more than a BackdoorPilot for a potential SpinOff, "The Adventures of Clara and Me". A tremendous buildup, followed by a lousy payoff.
6th Jan '16 4:43:55 AM Tiggerific
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** @/{{Tiggerific}}: The episode had so much potential to be awesome, and it was simply wasted. Gallifrey, Rassilon, an angry Doctor, the Hybrid mystery, Ashildr's return, the sisterhood... How could you go wrong with that? Instead they made everything about Clara again, spat in the face of her genuinely tearful death scene and trampled on the moral she was supposed to learn (don't take risks) by sending her off in her own TARDIS, thus turning her into a Doctor pretender. Not to mention they wiped the Doctor's memory of her, taking away his right to grieve. Added to that, Rassilon was sent away in the first ten minutes, Ashildr was given practically nothing to do and they hinted that the Doctor might indeed be a HalfHumanHybrid.
5th Jan '16 5:09:56 AM JulietF2
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* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in 'The Caretaker' when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages him as a soldier. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and did teach maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military.)

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* @/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in 'The Caretaker' when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages both his intelligence and him as a soldier. person. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and did teach taught maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military.military -- unless they deserve his scorn.)
4th Jan '16 4:55:15 PM JulietF2
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* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death in Heaven" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler:upon finding out that Galifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.

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* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death in Heaven" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler:upon [[spoiler: upon finding out that Galifrey Gallifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.
* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how, despite it being the season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go anywhere.anywhere.
*@/{{JulietF2}}: The Doctor's attitude towards Danny Pink in general, shown in 'The Caretaker' when he learns that Clara's interested in an ex-soldier: he insists that Danny must be the Physical Education teacher rather than the maths teacher, and generally disparages him as a soldier. This is really out of character when you consider that a soldier, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of his best friends and did teach maths after his retirement. (The Doctor's problems with the military tend to be with the entire concept, not with individuals in the military.)
18th Dec '15 10:35:02 AM Hbot
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* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how the Doctor gets to go back to Gallifrey, yet all he's concerned about once he gets there is bringing Clara back to life.

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* {{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how how, despite it being the Doctor gets season finale, there was no real danger, Rassilon was reduced to a raving jackass, and how, in general, the entire episode didn't seem to go back to Gallifrey, yet all he's concerned about once he gets there is bringing Clara back to life.anywhere.
18th Dec '15 10:30:13 AM Hbot
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* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death in Heaven" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler:upon finding out that Galifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.

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* @/{{wererat}}: I usually have an absurd level of tolerance for out of character moments, but the final scene of "Death in Heaven" nearly ruined the 12 doctor's character for me when [[spoiler:upon finding out that Galifrey wasn't where Missy/theMaster said it was, the Doctor began beating on a TARDIS panel hard enough to cause sparks to fly out of it. Let me repeat that: the Doctor, a man who has been shown to attempt peaceful solutions when going up against the most omnicidal foes, is now beating a character that has been equated to a wife.]] I get that 12 is meant to be angrier than the previous few incarnations, but when your protagonist essentially commits [[spoiler: domestic abuse]] a moral event horizon has been crossed.crossed.
*{{Hbot}}: For me, it was 'Hell Bent'. All the episode does is bring Clara, one of the show's biggest [[MarySue Mary Sues]] back to life, team her up with Ashildr, the show's other biggest Mary Sue, and give them a bloody Tardis. Not to mention how the Doctor gets to go back to Gallifrey, yet all he's concerned about once he gets there is bringing Clara back to life.
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