History DethroningMoment / DoctorWho

24th Nov '16 11:05:02 AM nombretomado
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* [=InTheGallbladder=]: I think I'll step up to the plate and add "Love And Monsters" to the list. Lazy writing, lots of padding, shoddy humor and a mountain of stupidity all steadily accumulated over the course of the episode, to the point where they were practically unignorable. But the fun doesn't truly begin until the villain is revealed to be a complete ripoff of [[AustinPowers Fat Bastard]], to the point of even having a similar-sounding accent. It's at this point that Ursula is reduced to a disembodied face that protrudes out of things. She's then robbed of her dignity, leading into the reveal that she will spend eternity a talking paving slab. [[EsotericHappyEnding This is considered a happy ending.]]

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* [=InTheGallbladder=]: I think I'll step up to the plate and add "Love And Monsters" to the list. Lazy writing, lots of padding, shoddy humor and a mountain of stupidity all steadily accumulated over the course of the episode, to the point where they were practically unignorable. But the fun doesn't truly begin until the villain is revealed to be a complete ripoff of [[AustinPowers [[Film/AustinPowers Fat Bastard]], to the point of even having a similar-sounding accent. It's at this point that Ursula is reduced to a disembodied face that protrudes out of things. She's then robbed of her dignity, leading into the reveal that she will spend eternity a talking paving slab. [[EsotericHappyEnding This is considered a happy ending.]]
25th Oct '16 5:38:08 AM ApeAccount
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** @/{{ApeAccount}}: For me, this episode just helped cement the idea (that I'd long suspected) that nothing that happens in the series mattered at all. Clara had seriously messed up and she died. It really did seem at the time like the writers had given her some sort of character arc, with the character having gotten progressively more cocky and thinking she could do what the Doctor could do but inevitably taking on more than she could do and facing the consequences. The consequence was death. There was a time when a character dying actually meant something (Adric may not have been the most popular character, but his death did have meaning). She'd died. She was mourned. Then she was just brought back. In fact, she was effectively made immortal and given her own TARDIS to share with another character who they brought back from the dead and made immortal a few episodes earlier. So the writers really were confirming that dying is meaningless. Characters don't die in Doctor Who because of anything that happens, they die because the writers decide to let them stay dead. I know that it's not the first time something like this has happened in the revived series (other characters have come back from the dead) but this time it seemed worse than usual. The way the death was written and then the way she was brought back, her death felt like it should be final and her coming back felt less like it fit within the series and more like some fan fiction by someone not happy with the way the character was killed off (and two Mary Sue like characters getting to fly off in their own TARDIS is EXACTLY the start of a bad fan fiction story).
25th Oct '16 5:38:08 AM ApeAccount
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30th Aug '16 7:26:22 PM PaulA
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While the Doctor has gone through many adventures in time and space, being [[LongRunner the longest running Science-Fiction show ever created]] means that there's bound to be [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck some moments]] that people want erased from history.

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While the Doctor has gone through many adventures in time and space, being [[LongRunner the longest running Science-Fiction show ever created]] created means that there's bound to be [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck some moments]] that people want erased from history.
18th Aug '16 1:54:46 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* @/romanatorX: Almost everything about "Fear Her" was an embarrassment to the series, from the bad acting to the idiot balls. I would nominate the childish aesop about "Love conquers all" to be the episode's nadir, but no. The ultimate low point for the entire franchise is the drawing of Chloe's abusive dad being turned back to life. So how do they defeat him? Chloe and her mother... sing him away. Yes, you heard that right. They sing a living being away. That is so childish that it is actually insulting to the millions of fans who practically begged the BBC to bring back ''Series/DoctorWho'' for so many years. And even if it wasn't prodding to the youngest demographic, you could tell that the writers, when coming up for an ending to this episode, [[TheyJustDidntCare threw their hands up in the air and said "We don't give a damn!"]] Give me the charm (mediocre special effects, SoBadItsGood acting) of the old series over this childish excuse of a ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode any day.

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* @/romanatorX: Almost everything about "Fear Her" was an embarrassment to the series, from the bad acting to the idiot balls. I would nominate the childish aesop about "Love conquers all" to be the episode's nadir, but no. The ultimate low point for the entire franchise is the drawing of Chloe's abusive dad being turned back to life. So how do they defeat him? Chloe and her mother... sing him away. Yes, you heard that right. They sing a living being away. That is so childish that it is actually insulting to the millions of fans who practically begged the BBC to bring back ''Series/DoctorWho'' for so many years. And even if it wasn't prodding to the youngest demographic, you could tell that the writers, when coming up for an ending to this episode, [[TheyJustDidntCare threw their hands up in the air and said "We don't give a damn!"]] damn!" Give me the charm (mediocre special effects, SoBadItsGood acting) of the old series over this childish excuse of a ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode any day.
13th Aug '16 10:24:06 PM Midna
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* @/{{Metz77}}: Peri in general is a dethroning character, but her absolute worst moment is in her debut episode, "Planet of Fire", when Nicola Bryant, struggling to make her American accent sound even '' slightly'' convincing, attempts to be defiant at the Master with the line "I'm Perpugilliam Brown and I can shout just as loud as you can." Instead of sounding defiant and confident, it comes out shakier than a bobblehead in an earthquake.

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* @/{{Metz77}}: Peri in general is a dethroning character, but her absolute worst moment is in her debut episode, "Planet of Fire", when Nicola Bryant, struggling to make her American accent sound even '' slightly'' slightly convincing, attempts to be defiant at the Master with the line "I'm Perpugilliam Brown and I can shout just as loud as you can." Instead of sounding defiant and confident, it comes out shakier than a bobblehead in an earthquake.



** @/{{zoop}}: I never even made it to the end of the episode. First, I have a pet peeve about the Time Lords' "universal translation" sometimes working and sometimes not. It's all right if there's an explanation for it failing, like in The Satan Pit, but here it just... randomly fails. Second, the Doctor runs off, abandoning Clara on an alien planet for no reason whatsoever. But the final blow was when the Doctor was discussing the planet's religious beliefs. Clara asks him if it's true and he brushes it off with a ''very'' dismissive "Well, it's a nice story." Thank-you, Doctor, for dismissing every major religion in the world. Yeah, it's a nice story... which happens to be true for the people who believe in it. If you don't understand why I'm upset then imagine this: Suppose Neil Degrasse Tyson were to tell the Pope about the big bang. When he's done, the Pope just chuckles and says, "Well, that's a nice story." I think you can see where I'm coming from. I turned it off at that point.

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** @/{{zoop}}: I never even made it to the end of the episode. First, I have a pet peeve about the Time Lords' "universal translation" sometimes working and sometimes not. It's all right if there's an explanation for it failing, like in The Satan Pit, but here it just... randomly fails. Second, the Doctor runs off, abandoning Clara on an alien planet for no reason whatsoever. But the final blow was when the Doctor was discussing the planet's religious beliefs. Clara asks him if it's true and he brushes it off with a ''very'' very dismissive "Well, it's a nice story." Thank-you, Doctor, for dismissing every major religion in the world. Yeah, it's a nice story... which happens to be true for the people who believe in it. If you don't understand why I'm upset then imagine this: Suppose Neil Degrasse Tyson were to tell the Pope about the big bang. When he's done, the Pope just chuckles and says, "Well, that's a nice story." I think you can see where I'm coming from. I turned it off at that point.



** Noraneko: "Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" Except she was legitimately about to destroy access to his TARDIS (aka, his ''wife'') and after she did so she claimed that she'd do it again in a heartbeat. Some have pointed out that it's something that a father would say to a daughter, but they're not father and child; Clara is supposed to be his best friend. If they actually had a fight rather than a scolding that lasted for thirty seconds, I could have dealt with it, but the whole thing is resolved after a few seconds and then they go on like it didn't happen... And this is ''after'' an entire episode of Clara being wishy-washy on whether or not she wanted to stay with the Doctor after he gave her an equally hard time. I have no idea how Clara became ''more'' selfish as the series went on but this took the cake for me and the betrayal quote just annoyed me, and as mentioned above it's more or less turning a manic and capricious Doctor into a doormat so that we know just how important Clara is.

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** Noraneko: "Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" Except she was legitimately about to destroy access to his TARDIS (aka, his ''wife'') wife) and after she did so she claimed that she'd do it again in a heartbeat. Some have pointed out that it's something that a father would say to a daughter, but they're not father and child; Clara is supposed to be his best friend. If they actually had a fight rather than a scolding that lasted for thirty seconds, I could have dealt with it, but the whole thing is resolved after a few seconds and then they go on like it didn't happen... And this is ''after'' after an entire episode of Clara being wishy-washy on whether or not she wanted to stay with the Doctor after he gave her an equally hard time. I have no idea how Clara became ''more'' more selfish as the series went on but this took the cake for me and the betrayal quote just annoyed me, and as mentioned above it's more or less turning a manic and capricious Doctor into a doormat so that we know just how important Clara is.



** @/{{timotaka}}: Most people might consider this a trivially small thing, but it managed to piss me the right off: A (white) male Time Lord regenerates into a (black) female. This itself is not so bad, but then the first thing she says is she's "back to normal" and how bad it was to be a man. Imagine the situation reversed: A female Time Lord regenerates into a male and his first words are, "Ooh, being a man is much better. Now I can keep my emotions in check and think clearly for a change!" Way to be stupid ''and'' insult half of everybody!

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** @/{{timotaka}}: Most people might consider this a trivially small thing, but it managed to piss me the right off: A (white) male Time Lord regenerates into a (black) female. This itself is not so bad, but then the first thing she says is she's "back to normal" and how bad it was to be a man. Imagine the situation reversed: A female Time Lord regenerates into a male and his first words are, "Ooh, being a man is much better. Now I can keep my emotions in check and think clearly for a change!" Way to be stupid ''and'' and insult half of everybody!
15th Jun '16 8:16:31 AM Berrenta
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23rd May '16 9:33:38 AM SorPepita
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* @/{{LahmacunKebab}}: "Day of the Moon". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity since prehistory just because they wanted space suits? Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it.

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* @/{{LahmacunKebab}}: [=SorPepita=]: "Day of the Moon". Wait, so genetically engineered priests from the future have been secretly controlling humanity since from prehistory to 1969 just because they wanted space suits? (Seriously, that was the only reason they had for doing it). Needlessly complicated doesn't even begin to cover it.it; in fact, I consider it to be one of the most ridiculous [[GambitRoulette Gambit Roulettes]] in the history of fiction.
21st Mar '16 8:59:16 AM timotaka
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** @/{{timotaka}}: Most people might consider this a trivially small thing, but it managed to piss me the right off: A (white) male Time Lord regenerates into a (black) female. This itself is not so bad, but then the first thing she says is she's "back to normal" and how bad it was to be a man. Imagine the situation reversed: A female Time Lord regenerates into a male and his first words are, "Ooh, being a man is much better. Now I can keep my emotions in check and think clearly for a change!" Way to be stupid ''and'' insult half of everybody!
19th Feb '16 1:11:47 PM Deadpan29
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**@/{{Deadpan29}}: Concurring with this one. I could not get my suspension of disbelief over the many physics-failures regarding the moon and eggs in general. Then Clara makes a decision that the writers degree to be virtuous, but looks to me like the morally wrong choice based solely on what information was available to her. And then the Doctor turns out to have been playing a sick mind-game based off of some warped misunderstanding of human interaction. For that matter, the whole season was kind of rough as the writers all seemed off balance and ham-fisted with the new Doctor.
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