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2nd May '13 5:27:48 PM WillBGood

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*** Tropers/SickBritKid: This troper was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for this troper was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of this troper's favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche 90sAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

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*** Tropers/SickBritKid: This troper was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for this troper was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of this troper's favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

6th Apr '13 3:13:17 PM EarlOfSandvich

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* k9feline5: I was a fan of DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was JusticeLeagueInternational, and my favorite character from that series was BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicrum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been, "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's percisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by {{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

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* k9feline5: I was a fan of DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was JusticeLeagueInternational, and my favorite character from that series was BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicrum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been, "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's percisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by {{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

2nd Apr '13 11:17:26 AM InTheGallbladder

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: Speaking of which, Sonic the Hedgehog issue 172. Not so much for what Fiona did to Tails, but actually for Sonic being a KickTheDog target. First, Fiona sets Sonic as her prime example of "not counting on anybody" and when Sonic tries to protest, Scourge takes Sonic into another physical spat along with Fiona telling Sonic to simply "shut up already". Second, and even worse: Scourge says that the only thing separating him and Sonic is a bad day. Sonic responds by telling Scourge that "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency" were all that separated Sonic from hom. Scourge is at a loss for words for a bit, until Fiona abruptly cuts in and kicks Sonic aside claiming that he "had his chance"; she then puts him down by calling him a weakling for "holding back" and that "it's all about survival of the best", and Scourge goes right back to his {{Jerkass}}ery. What could have been Sonic's chance for giving his enemies a new state of mind abruptly, and epically, ended in a KickTheDog scenario at its worst for no explainable reason!

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: Speaking of which, Sonic the Hedgehog issue 172. Not so much for what Fiona did to Tails, but actually for Sonic being a KickTheDog target. First, Fiona sets Sonic as her prime example of "not counting on anybody" and when Sonic tries to protest, Scourge takes Sonic into another physical spat along with Fiona telling Sonic to simply "shut up already". Second, and even worse: Scourge says that the only thing separating him and Sonic is a bad day. Sonic responds by telling Scourge that "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency" were all that separated Sonic from him. Scourge is at a loss for words for a bit, until Fiona abruptly cuts in and kicks Sonic aside claiming that he "had his chance"; she then puts him down by calling him a weakling for "holding back" and that "it's all about survival of the best", and Scourge goes right back to his {{Jerkass}}ery. What could have been Sonic's chance for giving his enemies a new state of mind abruptly, and epically, ended in a KickTheDog scenario at its worst for no explainable reason!

2nd Apr '13 11:17:10 AM InTheGallbladder

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: Speaking of which, Sonic the Hedgehog issue 172. Not so much for what Fiona did to Tails, but actually for Sonic being a KickTheDog target. First, Fiona sets Sonic as her prime example of "not counting on anybody" and when Sonic tries to protest, Scourge takes Sonic into another physical spat along with Fiona telling Sonic to simply "shut up already". Second, and even worse: Scourge says that the only thing separating him and Sonic is a bad day. Sonic responds by telling Scourge that "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency" were all that separated him from Sonic. Scourge is at a loss for words for a bit, until Fiona abruptly cuts in and kicks Sonic aside claiming that he "had his chance"; she then puts him down by calling him a weakling for "holding back" and that "it's all about survival of the best", and Scourge goes right back to his {{Jerkass}}ery. What could have been Sonic's chance for giving his enemies a new state of mind abruptly, and epically, ended in a KickTheDog scenario at its worst for no explainable reason!

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2nd Apr '13 11:16:19 AM InTheGallbladder

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: Speaking of which, Sonic the Hedgehog issue 172. Not so much for what Fiona did to Tails, but actually for Sonic being a KickTheDog target. First, Fiona sets Sonic as her prime example of "not counting on anybody" and when Sonic tries to protest, Scourge takes Sonic into another physical spat along with Fiona telling Sonic to simply "shut up already". Second, and even worse, when Scourge tells Sonic that he (Sonic) would be like him (Scourge) if he (Sonic) had a bad day with Sonic countering that Scourge would be just like him (Sonic) if he (Scourge) showed "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency", Scourge is at a loss for words right now, until Fiona abruptly cuts in and kicks Sonic aside claiming that he "had his chance"; she then puts him down by calling him a weakling for "holding back" and that "it's all about survival of the best", and Scourge goes right back to his {{Jerkass}}ery. What could have been Sonic's chance for giving his enemies a new state of mind abruptly, and epically, ended in a KickTheDog scenario at its worst for no explainable reason!

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: Speaking of which, Sonic the Hedgehog issue 172. Not so much for what Fiona did to Tails, but actually for Sonic being a KickTheDog target. First, Fiona sets Sonic as her prime example of "not counting on anybody" and when Sonic tries to protest, Scourge takes Sonic into another physical spat along with Fiona telling Sonic to simply "shut up already". Second, and even worse: Scourge says that the only thing separating him and Sonic is a bad day. Sonic responds by telling Scourge that "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency" were all that separated him from Sonic. Scourge is at a loss for words for a bit, until Fiona abruptly cuts in and kicks Sonic aside claiming that he "had his chance"; she then puts him down by calling him a weakling for "holding back" and that "it's all about survival of the best", and Scourge goes right back to his {{Jerkass}}ery. What could have been Sonic's chance for giving his enemies a new state of mind abruptly, and epically, ended in a KickTheDog scenario at its worst for no explainable reason!

29th Mar '13 4:04:10 AM Telcontar

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*** Troper/ABlackRaptor: While that does suck, my DMOS for OMIT comes from what happens with Eddie the fat thug so Quesada can make MJ break up with Peter: He beats the shit out of her. Ok, to a lot of people, that's not that bad and it would excuse someone to break up, but its the fact that it happened to Mary Jane. MJ is probably my favourite character in Spider-Man besides Peter himself, and one of the things I love about her is that she doesn't just sit around or run away, she's a fighter. So much so, its CANON that she owns, and knows how to use, a gun, that she has been able to fight off thugs much tougher than this 'Eddie' (she beat the SHIT out of Chameleon for god's sake, and he's a much more competent villain than the villainous FixerSue Quesada made), and that she has recieved combat training from Captain America himself. MJ is, for all intents and purposes, a BadassNormal, Eddie is, for all intents and purposes, a fat guy. MJ not only got beat up by him, but was so traumatized by it she blamed Peter. While OMIT is a character assassination for MJ as a whole, this is for me the moment the bullet hit.
** Tropers/ChrisLang: For me, the Dethroning Moment for the 616 Spider-Man came nearly ten years earlier, with ''The Gathering of Five'' and ''The Final Chapter'' in 1998. In some ways, it paved the way for ''One More Day''. The Green Goblin comes up with a scheme that's [[CharacterDerailment ludicrously out of character for him]] (since WHEN has Norman Osborn wanted to de-evolve humanity into primal clay to reshape in his image?), Spider-Man comes across as a total idiot, and Mary Jane does nothing but act stupid. Oh, and Aunt May, who three years earlier passed away in a beautifully-written TearJerker, is brought BackFromTheDead with a truly outrageous VoodooShark explanation. It was basically the writers and editors screaming at the fans "We [[TheyJustDidntCare don't care]] if our stories make ANY sense, or if the characters are in character or not, as long as we get what we want.". ''One More Day'' more or less had the same mindset.

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*** Troper/ABlackRaptor: While that does suck, my DMOS for OMIT comes from what happens with Eddie the fat thug so Quesada can make MJ break up with Peter: He beats the shit out of her. Ok, to a lot of people, that's not that bad and it would excuse someone to break up, but its the fact that it happened to Mary Jane. MJ is probably my favourite character in Spider-Man besides Peter himself, and one of the things I love about her is that she doesn't just sit around or run away, she's a fighter. So much so, it's canon that she owns, and knows how to use, a gun, that she has been able to fight off thugs much tougher than this 'Eddie' (she beat the shit out of Chameleon for god's sake, and he's a much more competent villain than the villainous FixerSue Quesada made), and that she has recieved combat training from Captain America himself. MJ is, for all intents and purposes, a BadassNormal, Eddie is, for all intents and purposes, a fat guy. MJ not only got beat up by him, but was so traumatized by it she blamed Peter. While OMIT is a character assassination for MJ as a whole, this is for me the moment the bullet hit.
** Tropers/ChrisLang: For me, the Dethroning Moment for the 616 Spider-Man came nearly ten years earlier, with ''The Gathering of Five'' and ''The Final Chapter'' in 1998. In some ways, it paved the way for ''One More Day''. The Green Goblin comes up with a scheme that's [[CharacterDerailment ludicrously out of character for him]] (since when has Norman Osborn wanted to de-evolve humanity into primal clay to reshape in his image?), Spider-Man comes across as a total idiot, and Mary Jane does nothing but act stupid. Oh, and Aunt May, who three years earlier passed away in a beautifully-written TearJerker, is brought BackFromTheDead with a truly outrageous VoodooShark explanation. It was basically the writers and editors screaming at the fans "We [[TheyJustDidntCare don't care]] if our stories make any sense, or if the characters are in character or not, as long as we get what we want.". ''One More Day'' more or less had the same mindset.

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* Tropers/kkhohoho: ComicBook/TheAvengers v1 #200. The most basic concept of the issue isn't exactly Pulitzer-winning material itself to begin with, but the way the entire story is handled really cements the issue as one of the Avenger's less grandeur moments, to say the least. As for the comic itself -- it starts with Ms.Marvel suddenly finding herself pregnant, and at full-term nonetheless. Meanwhile, the other Avengers (Captain America, Thor, ComicBook/Ironman, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonderman, Hawkeye, Jocasta, and Beast, who was not an X-man and was an Avenger at the time,) are focused more on this strange new birth, and fascinated by it, and not actually trying to figure out what's really going on, or helping Carol (Ms.Marvel,) deal with it. They really aren't much when it comes to emotional support. And then the baby itself is born, which grows to an adult in a matter of moments. Various things happen, such as a Timestorm, but the real tour-de-force is the ending, and get ready, because this is a whopper. As it turns out, the 'son', Marcus, was in fact a child of Immortus, a on-again, off-again antagonist/ally to the Avengers. However, Marcus was born in limbo, Immortus's domain, and was trapped there. So, his solution to this was, while Ms.Marvel was on a plane, to essentially take the plane into Limbo, and then immediately remove anyone and everything on the plane, ''off'' of the plane, except for Ms.Marvel. In other words, Marcus, for all intents and purposes, ''kidnapped'' Ms.Marvel. Anyway -- Marcus then brainwashes Carol, and after 'wooing' her, with fancy dresses and classical music, (played by their original composers,) he then ''rapes'' her. That's right -- Ms.Marvel is currently brainwashed, so she could not, in any way, object to having sex with Marcus. He didn't just rape her either; he impregnated her, so that when he booted Ms.Marvel back to the physical plane, she would give birth to Marcus himself in short order. To sum up: Marcus kidnapped Ms.Marvel, brainwashed her, raped her, impregnated her, and then sent her back to the real world with no memory of these events. But, sadly, that's not all. Marcus brainwashes Ms.Marvel again, as she suddenly finds herself wanting to go back to Limbo with Marcus, despite being quite distraught at this strange pregnancy earlier. And the rest of the Avengers may well have been brainwashed too, as they just let her go. It was revealed later that brainwashing was, in fact, used to some extent, but not by the same writers as this issue, so it might have just been bad writing when it was originally published. All in all, not the Avengers' shining moment.
** PuffPuff: Oh, and let's take note of the credits on #200. There were '''SIX''' writers on this mess, including one of the big name editors. It says nothing good that that many people worked on this storyline and not one of them thought anything was skeevy about it until ''after'' it was published and got shit called on it.

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* Tropers/kkhohoho: ComicBook/TheAvengers v1 #200. The most basic concept of the issue isn't exactly Pulitzer-winning material itself to begin with, but the way the entire story is handled really cements the issue as one of the Avenger's less grandeur moments, to say the least. As for the comic itself -- it starts with Ms.Marvel suddenly finding herself pregnant, and at full-term nonetheless. Meanwhile, the other Avengers (Captain America, Thor, ComicBook/Ironman, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonderman, Hawkeye, Jocasta, and Beast, who was not an X-man and was an Avenger at the time,) are focused more on this strange new birth, and fascinated by it, and not actually trying to figure out what's really going on, or helping Carol (Ms.Marvel,) deal with it. They really aren't much when it comes to emotional support. And then the baby itself is born, which grows to an adult in a matter of moments. Various things happen, such as a Timestorm, but the real tour-de-force is the ending, and get ready, because this is a whopper. As it turns out, the 'son', Marcus, was in fact a child of Immortus, a on-again, off-again antagonist/ally to the Avengers. However, Marcus was born in limbo, Immortus's domain, and was trapped there. So, his solution to this was, while Ms.Marvel was on a plane, to essentially take the plane into Limbo, and then immediately remove anyone and everything on the plane, off of the plane, except for Ms.Marvel. In other words, Marcus, for all intents and purposes, kidnapped Ms.Marvel. Anyway -- Marcus then brainwashes Carol, and after 'wooing' her, with fancy dresses and classical music, (played by their original composers,) he then rapes her. That's right -- Ms.Marvel is currently brainwashed, so she could not, in any way, object to having sex with Marcus. He didn't just rape her either; he impregnated her, so that when he booted Ms.Marvel back to the physical plane, she would give birth to Marcus himself in short order. To sum up: Marcus kidnapped Ms.Marvel, brainwashed her, raped her, impregnated her, and then sent her back to the real world with no memory of these events. But, sadly, that's not all. Marcus brainwashes Ms.Marvel again, as she suddenly finds herself wanting to go back to Limbo with Marcus, despite being quite distraught at this strange pregnancy earlier. And the rest of the Avengers may well have been brainwashed too, as they just let her go. It was revealed later that brainwashing was, in fact, used to some extent, but not by the same writers as this issue, so it might have just been bad writing when it was originally published. All in all, not the Avengers' shining moment.
** PuffPuff: Oh, and let's take note of the credits on #200. There were six writers on this mess, including one of the big name editors. It says nothing good that that many people worked on this storyline and not one of them thought anything was skeevy about it until after it was published and got shit called on it.

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* Tropers/SamMax: Time for a really horrifying and a [[TearJerker really sad]] moment in an already [[AdaptationDecay awful]] and horrifying ComicBookAdaptation of ''VideoGame/MegaMan'', which is the Brazilian comic, ''ComicBook/NovasAventurasDeMegaman''. In this version, Roll is a homeless girl that gets kidnapped along with a few others. Oh dear, there's some UnfortunateImplications already...[[FromBadToWorse but that's not all]]! Not too long afterward, we see her mutilated body, with her brain exposed and her head [[OffWithHisHead cut off]]. Roll is my favorite character from the franchise, so for [[ThisIsUnforgivable this to be witnessed]] ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the fact that she's a robot from the beginning in most versions notwithstanding]]), I'm almost speechless, and not in a good way! It would have been worse if not for Dr. Light choosing to save her brain and putting it in a new body. I don't care about the precise details, because [[BrainBleach I want to forget about them]], and while I'm all for a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of the Classic Series charcters, fine folks like [[Manga/MegaManMegamix Hitoshi Ariga]] and [[ComicBook/MegaMan Ian Flynn]] have proven that you can do so without resorting to {{Gorn}} and such. How ''this'' got approved by {{Capcom}}, I'll never know, but I'm glad it [[NoExportForYou never left Brazil]].

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* Tropers/SamMax: Time for a really horrifying and a [[TearJerker really sad]] moment in an already [[AdaptationDecay awful]] and horrifying ComicBookAdaptation of ''VideoGame/MegaMan'', which is the Brazilian comic, ''ComicBook/NovasAventurasDeMegaman''. In this version, Roll is a homeless girl that gets kidnapped along with a few others. Oh dear, there's some UnfortunateImplications already...[[FromBadToWorse but that's not all]]! Not too long afterward, we see her mutilated body, with her brain exposed and her head [[OffWithHisHead cut off]]. Roll is my favorite character from the franchise, so for [[ThisIsUnforgivable this to be witnessed]] ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the fact that she's a robot from the beginning in most versions notwithstanding]]), I'm almost speechless, and not in a good way! It would have been worse if not for Dr. Light choosing to save her brain and putting it in a new body. I don't care about the precise details, because [[BrainBleach I want to forget about them]], and while I'm all for a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of the Classic Series charcters, fine folks like [[Manga/MegaManMegamix Hitoshi Ariga]] and [[ComicBook/MegaMan Ian Flynn]] have proven that you can do so without resorting to {{Gorn}} and such. How this got approved by {{Capcom}}, I'll never know, but I'm glad it [[NoExportForYou never left Brazil]].

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27th Feb '13 9:02:31 PM Doryna

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Removing Nightmare Fuel potholes. NF should be on YMMV only.

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* Tropers/TheChainMan – ''MortadeloYFilemon''’s CrossOver special ''“¡Bajo el bramido del trueno!"'' is basically this for pretty much the entire fandom. Aside from the usual current issues like the jokes being forced, predictable, and repetitive beyond the RunningGag status, there's the whole "crossover" part, with ''El Capitán Trueno'' if the title didn't make it obvious, for two reasons: The first is the NonstandardCharacterDesign of the ''Trueno'' characters caused because, instead of being drawn in Ibañez's own style, they were randomly copy-pasted from ''Trueno'' albums. The results are not pretty and ofen look bizarre, with characters that are dancing being passed as pursuiters and others "wonders" like that. Furthermore, there are instances where Ibañez does keep the original images aside but he draws the hands or the face, which looks somewhere between OffModel and NightmareFuel, depending of the image. The second reason is that, for all this is "passed" as a homage to ''Trueno'' for its 50 anniversary, it's not much of an homage as an HumiliationConga for Trueno himself, as he gets repeatedly hit, transmutated, and put in various ridiculous sitations, the worst part perhaps being Mortadelo himself [[{{Netorare}} NTRing him]] by hooking with his girlfriend Sigurd for no reason. All in all, the whole thing goes from merely boring to outright painful to read.

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* Tropers/TheChainMan – ''MortadeloYFilemon''’s CrossOver special ''“¡Bajo el bramido del trueno!"'' is basically this for pretty much the entire fandom. Aside from the usual current issues like the jokes being forced, predictable, and repetitive beyond the RunningGag status, there's the whole "crossover" part, with ''El Capitán Trueno'' if the title didn't make it obvious, for two reasons: The first is the NonstandardCharacterDesign of the ''Trueno'' characters caused because, instead of being drawn in Ibañez's own style, they were randomly copy-pasted from ''Trueno'' albums. The results are not pretty and ofen look bizarre, with characters that are dancing being passed as pursuiters and others "wonders" like that. Furthermore, there are instances where Ibañez does keep the original images aside but he draws the hands or the face, which looks somewhere between OffModel and terrifying, depending of the image. The second reason is that, for all this is "passed" as a homage to ''Trueno'' for its 50 anniversary, it's not much of an homage as an HumiliationConga for Trueno himself, as he gets repeatedly hit, transmutated, and put in various ridiculous sitations, the worst part perhaps being Mortadelo himself [[{{Netorare}} NTRing him]] by hooking with his girlfriend Sigurd for no reason. All in all, the whole thing goes from merely boring to outright painful to read.

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* Tropers/SamMax: Time for a really [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] and a [[TearJerker really sad]] moment in an already [[AdaptationDecay awful]] and [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] ComicBookAdaptation of ''VideoGame/MegaMan'', which is the Brazilian comic, ''ComicBook/NovasAventurasDeMegaman''. In this version, Roll is a homeless girl that gets kidnapped along with a few others. Oh dear, there's some UnfortunateImplications already...[[FromBadToWorse but that's not all]]! Not too long afterward, we see her mutilated body, with her brain exposed and her head [[OffWithHisHead cut off]]. Roll is my favorite character from the franchise, so for [[ThisIsUnforgivable this to be witnessed]] ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the fact that she's a robot from the beginning in most versions notwithstanding]]), I'm almost speechless, and not in a good way! It would have been worse if not for Dr. Light choosing to save her brain and putting it in a new body. I don't care about the precise details, because [[BrainBleach I want to forget about them]], and while I'm all for a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of the Classic Series charcters, fine folks like [[Manga/MegaManMegamix Hitoshi Ariga]] and [[ComicBook/MegaMan Ian Flynn]] have proven that you can do so without resorting to {{Gorn}} and such. How ''this'' got approved by {{Capcom}}, I'll never know, but I'm glad it [[NoExportForYou never left Brazil]].

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* Tropers/SamMax: Time for a really [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] and a [[TearJerker really sad]] moment in an already [[AdaptationDecay awful]] and [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] ComicBookAdaptation of ''VideoGame/MegaMan'', which is the Brazilian comic, ''ComicBook/NovasAventurasDeMegaman''. In this version, Roll is a homeless girl that gets kidnapped along with a few others. Oh dear, there's some UnfortunateImplications already...[[FromBadToWorse but that's not all]]! Not too long afterward, we see her mutilated body, with her brain exposed and her head[[OffWithHisHead cut off]]. Roll is my favorite character from the franchise, so for [[ThisIsUnforgivable this to be witnessed]] ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the fact that she's a robot from the beginning in most versions notwithstanding]]), I'm almost speechless, and not in a good way! It would have been worse if not for Dr. Light choosing to save her brain and putting it in a new body. I don't care about the precise details, because [[BrainBleach I want to forget about them]], and while I'm all for a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of the Classic Series charcters, fine folks like [[Manga/MegaManMegamix Hitoshi Ariga]] and [[ComicBook/MegaMan Ian Flynn]] have proven that you can do so without resorting to {{Gorn}} and such. How ''this'' got approved by {{Capcom}}, I'll never know, but I'm glad it [[NoExportForYou never left Brazil]].

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