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insufficient context. ship sinking must refer to a specific scene intended to disprove a pairing, and the show must mention the idea of the pairing previously. per TRS https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1640420480098263500


** supernintendo128: "The Red Throne" was a disappointment. Finn did not need to be in this episode; he served no purpose other than to be a nuisance to the protagonists and flirt with Flame Princess, who he should've gotten over ages ago. Cinnamon Bun is suddenly badass, which wouldn't be bad if it didn't come completely out of the blue. At least have some buildup. And now he's suddenly in love with Flame Princess. Why!? Talk about a complete AssPull[[invoked]]! All this episode did was that it hammered in the fact that [[ShipSinking Finn X Flame Princess is still dead for now.]] And why did they have to leave Jake out? He would've made this episode more tolerable. And why didn't Flame Lord force Flame Princess to marry him instead of walking away after being rejected? The writers should at least look like they're trying. They could've left that plot point out all together!
** DadstardlyDemolition: I truly agree with you. The whole episode to me was just to hammer the fact that [[ShipSinking they're through]]. Also, having "Rowdy" Roddy Piper as Flame Lord seemed like a cheap reference in a already weak episode to me. There was only one reason why [[Film/TheyLive they brought him in]].
** EchoingSilence: I agree as well. I like ''Adventure Time''. One of my favorite cartoons. Finn just seems unnecessary indeed in this episode! Especially since they already [[ShipSinking sank the ship in a previous episode]] where FP becomes the Ruler of the Flame Kingdom. Flame Princess tells Finn in no uncertain terms that they can't be a couple again. Finn accepts this, a bit with difficulty at first, but FP tell him they can still hang out and be friends, he just has to be honest with her. Finn happily takes that. And he had accepted that he had fucked up a lot with one of my favorite episodes "Dungeon Train", where Finn goes through some emotional development and realizes that though life is painful, he can't just hide away and he must move on, and he got over his breakup. He's gone through that Arc. He's in a better mood. Why oh why did they set him back to the Finn that wants to get back together with FP. Like I said. The Ship was sank!

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** supernintendo128: "The Red Throne" was a disappointment. Finn did not need to be in this episode; he served no purpose other than to be a nuisance to the protagonists and flirt with Flame Princess, who he should've gotten over ages ago. Cinnamon Bun is suddenly badass, which wouldn't be bad if it didn't come completely out of the blue. At least have some buildup. And now he's suddenly in love with Flame Princess. Why!? Talk about a complete AssPull[[invoked]]! All this episode did was that it hammered in the fact that [[ShipSinking Finn X Flame Princess is still dead for now.]] now. And why did they have to leave Jake out? He would've made this episode more tolerable. And why didn't Flame Lord force Flame Princess to marry him instead of walking away after being rejected? The writers should at least look like they're trying. They could've left that plot point out all together!
** DadstardlyDemolition: I truly agree with you. The whole episode to me was just to hammer the fact that [[ShipSinking they're through]].through. Also, having "Rowdy" Roddy Piper as Flame Lord seemed like a cheap reference in a already weak episode to me. There was only one reason why [[Film/TheyLive they brought him in]].
** EchoingSilence: I agree as well. I like ''Adventure Time''. One of my favorite cartoons. Finn just seems unnecessary indeed in this episode! Especially since they already [[ShipSinking sank the ship in a previous episode]] episode where FP becomes the Ruler of the Flame Kingdom. Flame Princess tells Finn in no uncertain terms that they can't be a couple again. Finn accepts this, a bit with difficulty at first, but FP tell him they can still hang out and be friends, he just has to be honest with her. Finn happily takes that. And he had accepted that he had fucked up a lot with one of my favorite episodes "Dungeon Train", where Finn goes through some emotional development and realizes that though life is painful, he can't just hide away and he must move on, and he got over his breakup. He's gone through that Arc. He's in a better mood. Why oh why did they set him back to the Finn that wants to get back together with FP. Like I said. The Ship was sank!
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[[CatchPhrase What time]] [[MemeticMutation is it]]?!?! [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning]] moment time!

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[[CatchPhrase [[CharacterCatchphrase What time]] [[MemeticMutation is it]]?!?! [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning]] moment time!
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* Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: "Wheels". This episode could've been an excellent episode in which we see how Jake shows his BunnyEarsLawyer side. He has been characterized as being a fun-loving conscience. This is what Kim Kil-Wham was looking for when he wanted his daughter to. Instead Jake gets caught up by his grandkid thinking him not cool, and why ''not'', he acts like an absolute JerkAss to her to prove something to some other peers. This just isn't the Jake I knew. Even Finn thinks the whole thing stupid.

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* Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: "Wheels". This episode could've been an excellent episode in which we see how Jake shows his BunnyEarsLawyer side. He has been characterized as being a fun-loving conscience. This is what Kim Kil-Wham was looking for when he wanted his daughter to. Instead Jake gets caught up by his grandkid thinking him not cool, and why ''not'', he acts like an absolute JerkAss to her to prove something to some other peers. This just isn't the Jake I knew. Even Finn thinks the whole thing stupid.stupid.
* Tropers/{{Eggy0}}: The one episode I can think of that rubs me the wrong way is "Storytelling". The basic premise is that Jake gets sick, and he wants a real story from Finn (as in a story of something that actually happened) in order to get better. Simple enough, right? Well, Jake writes down notes on what Finn needs for his story which is romance, violence, suspense and a happy ending, and Finn decides to follow this list pretty strictly and goes off into the forest. Then the issues start from there; Finn decides that he needs people kissing to achieve romance, so he pesters a few of the sapient animals and forces Boobafina and Mr. Fox to kiss, making them upset, and on the other end of the spectrum the latter two also immediately assume Jake doesn't even exist when Finn brings him up when they could've talked him out of looking for people kissing and perhaps found another way to achieve romance and made both sides happy. Then there's the bear, who willingly headbutts Finn when he's asked if he wants to fight, but his overly protective and dramatic mother accuses Finn of "killing" him even when her son lets her know he's totally fine. Finally, Finn considers crushing a nest of baby birds for the sake of suspense, but luckily changes his mind and is shown being torn over his decisions because he doesn't want to hurt anyone but is also desperate to help Jake. Then, all of the animals attack him and decide that he needs to die! While their retaliation is understandable, the punishment they decided on [[DisproportionateRetribution is not proportionate to what Finn had done]] - all he really did against them was disturb some sleeping squirrels and force a kiss (while the bear happily accepted Finn's request to fight, and Finn left the ants alone and didn't act on the idea of harming baby birds even though he briefly considered it) and that was because he was so desperate to get a story to save his friend, and in return they decide to straight up kill him? Not even ask what his motivations were? Even though the story is quickly resolved, it would've benefited from better thought-out interactions - Finn should've known better, and the forest inhabitants should've had a different punishment or a better justification for the one they used.
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** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of [[Website/Channel Awesome That Guy with the Glasses]] made the memory even more obnoxious due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] This is the beginning of the show's SeasonalRot and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.

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** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] second]], the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of [[Website/Channel Awesome [[Website/ChannelAwesome That Guy with the Glasses]] made the memory even more obnoxious due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] This is the beginning of the show's SeasonalRot and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.
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Removing some misused potholes.


''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' was the show that pulled Creator/CartoonNetwork out of its DorkAge and made the way for a cartoon renaissance that continued for quite a while. Despite this, even the Land of Ooo has some darker secrets hidden within its bright and colorful exterior, several of which include [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these moments]]...

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''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' was the show that pulled Creator/CartoonNetwork out of its DorkAge AudienceAlienatingEra and made the way for a cartoon renaissance that continued for quite a while. Despite this, even the Land of Ooo has some darker secrets hidden within its bright and colorful exterior, several of which include [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these moments]]...



** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses made the memory even more obnoxious due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck This is the beginning of the show's Dork Age]] [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.]]

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** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses [[Website/Channel Awesome That Guy with the Glasses]] made the memory even more obnoxious due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues]] issues and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck This is the beginning of the show's Dork Age]] [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere SeasonalRot and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.]] good.
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** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses made the memory even [[UpToEleven more obnoxious]] due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck This is the beginning of the show's Dork Age]] [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.]]

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** Tropers/K2Misfit: All of the above and then some. First, I was bothered by it being an IdiotPlot with a weak MagicVersusScience argument that reminded me of a poor man's version of that ep of WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons where [[CreatorsPet Lisa]] even at the height of her [[BuffySpeak Soapbox Sadie-est]] was reasonably skeptical about an angel skeleton that might be a sign of the apocalypse, but still human enough that she squeezed Marge's hand in case she was wrong so it wasn't as Anvilicious as it could've been in either direction. Here, it was just PB being a JerkAss and Starchy being a ManChild all the for the sake of [[IdiotPlot plot.]] That was when this show ended up on my Done With List, wasn't going to bother with ever again and looking upon the other entries here felt like a dodged not just a bullet, but BulletHell. However [[HereWeGoAgain Second,]] the ep being [[InNameOnly discussed]] in the comments section of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses made the memory even [[UpToEleven more obnoxious]] obnoxious due to the insane sheer amount of FanWank commentors used to argue in either direction with claims to canon, that only Magic or Science can exist instead of [[TakeAThirdOption both as the show's been pointing out all along,]] PB being a complex character that and worst of all, [[FlatWhat that this ep was allegedly deep for getting an adult audience to question its themes.]] [[NoJustNoReaction No.]] It's a blatant, unsubtle IdiotPlot only worthy of a Chick Tract, [[FakeNationality bugger all]] to continuity, a CreatorsPet acting like a strawman against other strawmen that [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential in not explaining actual possibly issues]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking merely provided fuel for the umpteenth Internet Flame War like anywhere else on the net.]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck This is the beginning of the show's Dork Age]] [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere and I'm washing my hands of this bullshit for good.]]



* Tropers/CharlestonMan: I'd like to point especially to the end of "Rattleballs". It was attempted to pass as CharacterDevelopment for Bubblegum and that she'd learned her lesson. What it really comes off as is yet another in a long list of [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]] for PB, coming right on the heels of similar instances in "James" and "Apple Wedding". This case is particularly aggravating because she was downright genocidal in it and yet still got off scot-free. It's like what happened with Lemongrab in "You Made Me", only taken UpToEleven, and continues to drive home that PB just can't seem to suffer any negative consequences from her terrible actions, nor take full responsibility for them.

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* Tropers/CharlestonMan: I'd like to point especially to the end of "Rattleballs". It was attempted to pass as CharacterDevelopment for Bubblegum and that she'd learned her lesson. What it really comes off as is yet another in a long list of [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]] for PB, coming right on the heels of similar instances in "James" and "Apple Wedding". This case is particularly aggravating because she was downright genocidal in it and yet still got off scot-free. It's like what happened with Lemongrab in "You Made Me", only taken UpToEleven, up to eleven, and continues to drive home that PB just can't seem to suffer any negative consequences from her terrible actions, nor take full responsibility for them.
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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss PB. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss PB. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save PB. As the battle progresses, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss PB after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of PB. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from PB! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}}.

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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss PB. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss PB. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save PB. As the battle progresses, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome [[Awesome/AdventureTime Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss PB after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of PB. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from PB! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}}.
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* Tropers/FlygonRider: My Dethroning Moment of Suck is the episode "Wizards Only, Fools", mostly concerning Bubblegum's characterization. Normally, she comes off as an overall sane, level-headed, kind, sometimes morally ambiguous ruler. However, this episode tosses that characterization out the window and instead turns her into a whiny, pigheaded, stubborn idiot who refuses to admit she's wrong, thus getting her friends thrown in prison and nearly being forced to kill one of them. And the whole "refuses to believe in magic" thing really rubbed me the wrong way. She lives in a world that's filled with magic (and frankly, needs it just to keep running), she's probably seen magic at work before, and she even used magic in "Five Short Graybles" to make the perfect loaf of bread, [[CompressedVice but now suddenly she's dismissing all of that?]] It'd be more understandable if she was the kind of person who wanted people to explore magic and see how it ticked instead of just accepting it at face value, but nope! She now believes that magic can simply be explained away. This wouldn't be so bad (if she considered magic a more advanced form of science), but Peebs goes about it in the most pretentious, stuck-up way possible. In my opinion, this is ''Adventure Time'''s low point. The only thing that made up for some of it was the Princess showing off her parkour.

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* Tropers/FlygonRider: My Dethroning Moment of Suck is the episode "Wizards Only, Fools", mostly concerning Bubblegum's characterization. Normally, she comes off as an overall sane, level-headed, kind, sometimes morally ambiguous ruler. However, this episode tosses that characterization out the window and instead turns her into a whiny, pigheaded, stubborn idiot who refuses to admit she's wrong, thus getting her friends thrown in prison and nearly being forced to kill one of them. And the whole "refuses to believe in magic" thing really rubbed me the wrong way. She lives in a world that's filled with magic (and frankly, needs it just to keep running), she's probably seen magic at work before, and she even used magic in "Five Short Graybles" to make the perfect loaf of bread, [[CompressedVice but now suddenly she's dismissing all of that?]] that? It'd be more understandable if she was the kind of person who wanted people to explore magic and see how it ticked instead of just accepting it at face value, but nope! She now believes that magic can simply be explained away. This wouldn't be so bad (if she considered magic a more advanced form of science), but Peebs goes about it in the most pretentious, stuck-up way possible. In my opinion, this is ''Adventure Time'''s low point. The only thing that made up for some of it was the Princess showing off her parkour.
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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss PB. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss PB. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save PB. As the battle progresses, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss PB after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of PB. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from PB! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}} and started staggering near MarySue territory.

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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss PB. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss PB. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save PB. As the battle progresses, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss PB after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of PB. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from PB! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}} and started staggering near MarySue territory.{{Jerkass}}.
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** Tropers/{{UnionMan}}: While ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' is one of my favorite animated shows, I found the episode "Apple Wedding" to be extremely disappointing: Like in "Wizards Only, Fools", Princess Bubblegum's characterization was awful, making her a petty and unlikeable JerkAss, who acted like an abusive ControlFreak: When Tree Trunks tells PB she does not accept Princess Bubblegum's authority to perform her wedding and insists that she can only be married by the King of Ooo, Princess Bubblegum enrages and later tries to expose the King of Ooo as a fraud... So [[spoiler:she enters into King of Ooo's zeppelin, makes it crash into the wedding, declares the wedding between Tree Trunks and Mr. Pig as a "criminal farce" while showing the King of Ooo's outdated wedding officiant license. But then, The King of Ooo pulls out his up-to-date paperwork and accuses PB of breaking into his blimp.]] Instead of recognizing her mistake, Princess Bubblegum [[spoiler:sends the King of Ooo to jail anyway]]. When the wedding guests protest, Princess Bubblegum [[spoiler:sends all of them to jail]]. Even Finn (who wasn´t even opposing her in those moments). In this episode, PB was shown to be NotSoDifferent to Lemongrab ([[spoiler:The way she threw them all in jail after saying "Nope. Shh. Nope. Nope. Nope. Stop talking, go to jail." is reminiscent of Lemongrab's retort: "All of you. Dungeon. Seven years, no trials."]]) acting in a complete tyrannical manner against her own friends. [[spoiler:So what if she released all of them at the end?]] She shouldn't have put her friends in jail in first place. [[KarmaHoudini She doesn't even receive any sort of minimal comeuppance for her completely unfair behavior]], and just seemed to confirm PB status as a CreatorsPet in the series. I think it would be very hard for viewers to find her likable after this episode.

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** Tropers/{{UnionMan}}: While ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' is one of my favorite animated shows, I found the episode "Apple Wedding" to be extremely disappointing: Like in "Wizards Only, Fools", Princess Bubblegum's characterization was awful, making her a petty and unlikeable JerkAss, who acted like an abusive ControlFreak: When Tree Trunks tells PB she does not accept Princess Bubblegum's authority to perform her wedding and insists that she can only be married by the King of Ooo, Princess Bubblegum enrages and later tries to expose the King of Ooo as a fraud... So [[spoiler:she enters into King of Ooo's zeppelin, makes it crash into the wedding, declares the wedding between Tree Trunks and Mr. Pig as a "criminal farce" while showing the King of Ooo's outdated wedding officiant license. But then, The King of Ooo pulls out his up-to-date paperwork and accuses PB of breaking into his blimp.]] Instead of recognizing her mistake, Princess Bubblegum [[spoiler:sends the King of Ooo to jail anyway]]. When the wedding guests protest, Princess Bubblegum [[spoiler:sends all of them to jail]]. Even Finn (who wasn´t even opposing her in those moments). In this episode, PB was shown to be NotSoDifferent not so different to Lemongrab ([[spoiler:The way she threw them all in jail after saying "Nope. Shh. Nope. Nope. Nope. Stop talking, go to jail." is reminiscent of Lemongrab's retort: "All of you. Dungeon. Seven years, no trials."]]) acting in a complete tyrannical manner against her own friends. [[spoiler:So what if she released all of them at the end?]] She shouldn't have put her friends in jail in first place. [[KarmaHoudini She doesn't even receive any sort of minimal comeuppance for her completely unfair behavior]], and just seemed to confirm PB status as a CreatorsPet in the series. I think it would be very hard for viewers to find her likable after this episode.
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** Well. [[spoiler: She's gay.]] That's all you need to know.
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* Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: "Wheels". This episode could've been an excellent episode in which we see how Jake shows his BunnyEarsLawyer side. He has been characterized as being a fun-loving conscience. This is what Kim Kil-Wham was looking for when he wanted his daughter to. Instead Jake [[CompletelyMissingThePoint gets caught up by his grandkid thinking him not cool]], and why ''not'', he acts like an absolute JerkAss to her to prove something to some other peers. This just isn't the Jake I knew. Even Finn thinks the whole thing stupid.

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* Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: "Wheels". This episode could've been an excellent episode in which we see how Jake shows his BunnyEarsLawyer side. He has been characterized as being a fun-loving conscience. This is what Kim Kil-Wham was looking for when he wanted his daughter to. Instead Jake [[CompletelyMissingThePoint gets caught up by his grandkid thinking him not cool]], cool, and why ''not'', he acts like an absolute JerkAss to her to prove something to some other peers. This just isn't the Jake I knew. Even Finn thinks the whole thing stupid.
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* Tropers/{{TornadoTomato}}: "You Made Me!" would have been a fantastic episode if it hadn't been a completely disgusting KarmaHoudini for Lemongrab. This man acted like a monster for a whole episode, was a spoiled brat, tortured children, tried to electrocute his creator (who was being extremely kind to him...) and yet, he got exactly what he wanted, he was not punished or reprimanded for anything he did wrong. Even Princess Bubblegum justified all of his disgusting, torturous, cruel actions with "Oh, he's [[TheMentallyDisturbed mentally disturbed]], so he gets a free pass on just acting like a downright rotten person." Lemongrab justified all of his horrible behavior with "Princess Bubblegum made me this way, so this is how I'm supposed to act." I was one of the fans who felt sorry for Lemongrab during, and after, Too Young, but "You Made Me" made me lose almost all of the fondness I once had for this character. The moral of this story was this: "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop If you spend your life acting like a monster and hurting your family and those who care about and worry about you, you will get exactly what you want, and you will eventually find true love]]."

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* Tropers/{{TornadoTomato}}: "You Made Me!" would have been a fantastic episode if it hadn't been a completely disgusting KarmaHoudini for Lemongrab. This man acted like a monster for a whole episode, was a spoiled brat, tortured children, tried to electrocute his creator (who was being extremely kind to him...) and yet, he got exactly what he wanted, he was not punished or reprimanded for anything he did wrong. Even Princess Bubblegum justified all of his disgusting, torturous, cruel actions with "Oh, he's [[TheMentallyDisturbed mentally disturbed]], so he gets a free pass on just acting like a downright rotten person." Lemongrab justified all of his horrible behavior with "Princess Bubblegum made me this way, so this is how I'm supposed to act." I was one of the fans who felt sorry for Lemongrab during, and after, Too Young, but "You Made Me" made me lose almost all of the fondness I once had for this character. The moral of this story was this: "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop If "If you spend your life acting like a monster and hurting your family and those who care about and worry about you, you will get exactly what you want, and you will eventually find true love]].love."
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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss Princess Bubblegum. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss Princess Bubblegum. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save Princess Bubblegum. As the battle progresses, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss Princess Bubblegum after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of Princess Bubblegum. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from Princess Bubblegum! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}} and started staggering near MarySue territory.

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** {{@/DeepC}}: The ending to the ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode, "Wizard Battle". Now I absolutely love this series with a passion and the beginning and middle of this episode weren't all that bad. Now why do I loathe the ending so much? Well, allow me to explain the beginning first. The whole episode starts of with Finn and Jake watching a battle amongst wizards. Everything is going great for them until they see the Ice King cheating so he could win the grand prize, which is a kiss on the lips from Princess Bubblegum. This motivates Finn to enter the Wizard Battle disguised as a wizard, stop the Ice King, and kiss Princess Bubblegum. While they fight, they come across a mediocre wizard named Abracadaniel, who wanted to fight, but does not want to kiss Princess Bubblegum. So Finn decides to help him win in order to save Princess Bubblegum. As the battle progresses, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Abracadaniel gets even better with his magic and manages to defeat the Ice King]]. Now this sounds all fine and dandy, correct? Well here comes the Dethroning Moment of Suck; when Abracadaniel and Finn are the only ones left, Finn forfeits immediately, which meant that Abracadaniel won. With his newly developed confidence, Abracadaniel decides that he does want to kiss Princess Bubblegum after all. However, due to the "Power Of Love", Finn goes batshit crazy and screeches at Abracadaniel in a way that can be considered {{OOC}}, immature, and downright mean. This causes [[TheWoobie Abracadaniel]] to fall over, and even though it appears that the announcer is about to call him out for that, Finn still wins! Later, Finn is stressed out about hiding his feelings; now, it's understandable that you're stressed about hiding your feelings, [[DesignatedHero but what about having regrets for the way you screamed at Abracadaniel, pulverized his new-found confidence, and hurt his feelings?!]] Later, Finn reveals who he is in front of Princess Bubblegum. Now does he get any sort of scolding or punishment from this? Well, he does get a slap on the face for cheating, but he still wins the prize of getting a kiss from Princess Bubblegum! Not only did Finn cheat, but he acted like a {{Jerkass}} and started staggering near MarySue territory.



** [=saundersaur=]: Finn getting his arm back was the biggest slap in the face that Pen Ward, the Adventure Time crew, and Cartoon Network, have ever given the fans. As much as I love Adventure Time, I hate how [[StatusQuoIsGod the Status Quo is God]]. The show has a vastly detailed world with an endless supply of [[ContinuityPorn Continuity Porn]]. No episode is ever forgotten. A seemingly silly and pointless episode from 3 seasons ago could come back and reveal itself as a major plot point. Yet despite this, the nature of the show is not allowed to change. Princess Bubblegum turned 13? Nope, she's 18 again one episode later. Finn gets a new girlfriend? Nope, they break up. Jake is a dad? Nope, his kids grew up and moved out in a matter of a few days, so Jake's life doesn't get to change. However, I can forgive these blunders because there was no build up. Lady Rainicorn's pregnancy came out of nowhere and the fact that Princess Bubblegum's age changes based on her body mass doesn't make much sense, even for a show like Adventure Time. So, why am I okay with these examples of chickening out on a possible status quo change, but not with Finn getting his arm back? Is it the implication that Finn can't be happy unless he's "normal", or that a disability could just instantly get fixed like it did for Finn? Or is it the fact that ever since season one, we've been treated to little hints and bits of foreshadowing that Finn would lose his arm? Actually, it's all of those reasons. Every depiction of Finn in a parallel universe shows him with a prosthetic arm. His past life, Shoko, lost her arm. The foreshadowing grew stronger and stronger with each season. Many fans figured out that it's Finn's destiny to lose his arm (since destiny is a running theme in the series). And finally, during the season six premiere, they did it in the most heartwrenching, yet mature way possible. One would expect that Finn the hero would lose his arm in battle, possibly while fighting a monster or something. Nope. [[TearJerker He lost his arm holding onto his biological father, whom he refused to give up on even after he learned that his father is a deadbeat jerk who doesn't care about him.]] Oh, and his supposedly "cursed" grass sword was actually helping him by [[CrowningMomentofAwesome turning into a massive arm to help Finn hold onto his dad, who was riding the equivalent of a spaceship.]] His grass sword was loyal to Finn until the end. Not only did Finn lose his only tie to his human lineage, but he lost an actual part of himself. And to hammer it in even more, Finn never imagined his father to be anything but a really cool guy who must have left him for a darn good reason, so the revelation of who his father actually is just adds to the heartbreak. [[KilledOffForReal Also, Prismo died just so Finn could meet his father.]] So, how do the ensuing episodes play out? We get "The Tower", an episode dedicated to having Finn learn to deal with the fallout of the traumatizing experience he went through. Yeah, it actually felt like the Adventure Time crew was going to go through with it! They were actually developing the issue and taking on some mature themes instead of holding back. In "Breezy", Finn was starting to show signs of Depression, so he started doing some despicable things, like going around kissing several princesses just to make himself feel better. This could have carried on the message of "The Tower" and show that there are unhealthy, morally wrong ways to deal with trauma. But nope. Finn got his arm back, and he doesn't learn anything. The End. So, none of it mattered. The writers literally took six seasons of foreshadowing and build-up and threw it all in the garbage. That is just extremely insulting. And it doesn't matter if Finn loses his arm again in the future, it will never be as emotionally powerful as the first time it happened.

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** [=saundersaur=]: Finn getting his arm back was the biggest slap in the face that Pen Ward, the Adventure Time crew, and Cartoon Network, have ever given the fans. As much as I love Adventure Time, I hate how [[StatusQuoIsGod the Status Quo is God]]. The show has a vastly detailed world with an endless supply of [[ContinuityPorn Continuity Porn]]. No episode is ever forgotten. A seemingly silly and pointless episode from 3 seasons ago could come back and reveal itself as a major plot point. Yet despite this, the nature of the show is not allowed to change. Princess Bubblegum turned 13? Nope, she's 18 again one episode later. Finn gets a new girlfriend? Nope, they break up. Jake is a dad? Nope, his kids grew up and moved out in a matter of a few days, so Jake's life doesn't get to change. However, I can forgive these blunders because there was no build up. Lady Rainicorn's pregnancy came out of nowhere and the fact that Princess Bubblegum's age changes based on her body mass doesn't make much sense, even for a show like Adventure Time. So, why am I okay with these examples of chickening out on a possible status quo change, but not with Finn getting his arm back? Is it the implication that Finn can't be happy unless he's "normal", or that a disability could just instantly get fixed like it did for Finn? Or is it the fact that ever since season one, we've been treated to little hints and bits of foreshadowing that Finn would lose his arm? Actually, it's all of those reasons. Every depiction of Finn in a parallel universe shows him with a prosthetic arm. His past life, Shoko, lost her arm. The foreshadowing grew stronger and stronger with each season. Many fans figured out that it's Finn's destiny to lose his arm (since destiny is a running theme in the series). And finally, during the season six premiere, they did it in the most heartwrenching, yet mature way possible. One would expect that Finn the hero would lose his arm in battle, possibly while fighting a monster or something. Nope. [[TearJerker He lost his arm holding onto his biological father, whom he refused to give up on even after he learned that his father is a deadbeat jerk who doesn't care about him.]] Oh, and his supposedly "cursed" grass sword was actually helping him by [[CrowningMomentofAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentofAwesome turning into a massive arm to help Finn hold onto his dad, who was riding the equivalent of a spaceship.]] His grass sword was loyal to Finn until the end. Not only did Finn lose his only tie to his human lineage, but he lost an actual part of himself. And to hammer it in even more, Finn never imagined his father to be anything but a really cool guy who must have left him for a darn good reason, so the revelation of who his father actually is just adds to the heartbreak. [[KilledOffForReal Also, Prismo died just so Finn could meet his father.]] So, how do the ensuing episodes play out? We get "The Tower", an episode dedicated to having Finn learn to deal with the fallout of the traumatizing experience he went through. Yeah, it actually felt like the Adventure Time crew was going to go through with it! They were actually developing the issue and taking on some mature themes instead of holding back. In "Breezy", Finn was starting to show signs of Depression, so he started doing some despicable things, like going around kissing several princesses just to make himself feel better. This could have carried on the message of "The Tower" and show that there are unhealthy, morally wrong ways to deal with trauma. But nope. Finn got his arm back, and he doesn't learn anything. The End. So, none of it mattered. The writers literally took six seasons of foreshadowing and build-up and threw it all in the garbage. That is just extremely insulting. And it doesn't matter if Finn loses his arm again in the future, it will never be as emotionally powerful as the first time it happened.
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* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}}: Stakes Part 8. I actually was enjoying the mini series for the most part until the final episode. It was trying so hard to be a finale that it forgot to make sense. First, the whole last episode is a full of blatant excuse to have everything go back to the status quo. I'm fine with Princess Bubblegum becoming Princess again because that was at least foreshadowed, but nope everyone had to grab the idiot ball and trust a blind Peppermint Butler with highly unstable vampire essence and then the essence bit Marceline because reasons I guess. Considering how the whole previous episode was about making different choices to get different results, this was a huge copout. My second issue is that two of the Princesses come out of nowhere and at first I was excited. I'm like "oh man, Hotdog princess is sending out her archers and here's Flame Princess sending artillery and oh... only two princesses? Wait why these two? Did you pick their names out of a hat and you didn't have time for anyone else?". Furthermore when Marceline joins this big battle they have this moment where everyone turns to her, even these two princesses who were looking from a distance. Hotdog princess I can forgive, but Flame Princess was sending strikes from the Fire Kingdom. There is no reason she would teleport to the grasslands and then dramatically look at Marceline. And my third and final reason. Finn and Jake are left to be purely comedy relief, they were pretty much incompetent the whole mini series but they didn't help in this episode at all.

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* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}}: Stakes Part 8. I actually was enjoying the mini series for the most part until the final episode. It was trying so hard to be a finale that it forgot to make sense. First, the whole last episode is a full of blatant excuse to have everything go back to the status quo. I'm fine with Princess Bubblegum becoming Princess again because that was at least foreshadowed, but nope everyone had to grab the idiot ball and trust a blind Peppermint Butler with highly unstable vampire essence and then the essence bit Marceline because reasons I guess. Considering how the whole previous episode was about making different choices to get different results, this was a huge copout. My second issue is that two of the Princesses come out of nowhere and at first I was excited. I'm like "oh man, Hotdog princess Princess is sending out her archers and here's Flame Princess sending artillery and oh... only two princesses? Wait Wait, why these two? Did you pick their names out of a hat and you didn't have time for anyone else?". Furthermore when Marceline joins this big battle they have this moment where everyone turns to her, even these two princesses who were looking from a distance. Hotdog princess Princess I can forgive, but Flame Princess was sending strikes from the Fire Kingdom. There is no reason she would teleport to the grasslands and then dramatically look at Marceline. And my third and final reason. Finn and Jake are left to be purely comedy relief, relief; they were pretty much incompetent the whole mini series but they didn't help in this episode at all.
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* {{regularshowman}}: For me, the DMOS in this show is in the episode "Nemesis". Not only was this yet another episode completely lacking any Finn and Jake (seriously is anyone else getting sick of that?), not only were this episode's main cast people I didn't give a crap about, but this episode proved to me that Adventure Time was getting stale. This episode was trying way too hard to be weird and zany at times with Nemesis himself driving his kids around in a minivan (Get it? He's supposed to be a badass but he drives his kids around in a minivan with his kids like a normal parent! Hur de dur hur!) which is stupid. That and it was trying way too hard to be cool. Which it isn't. Oh, and what the fuck was up with that ending? Oh and the aforementioned lack of Finn and Jake for, what? The third episode now! As well as them being substituted for boring characters who I don't give a crap about just killed this tired and boring episode for me.

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* {{regularshowman}}: For me, the DMOS in this show is in the episode "Nemesis". Not only was this yet another episode completely lacking any Finn and Jake (seriously (seriously, is anyone else getting sick of that?), not only were this episode's main cast people I didn't give a crap about, but this episode proved to me that Adventure Time was getting stale. This episode was trying way too hard to be weird and zany at times with Nemesis himself driving his kids around in a minivan (Get it? He's supposed to be a badass but he drives his kids around in a minivan with his kids like a normal parent! Hur de dur hur!) which is stupid. That and it was trying way too hard to be cool. Which it isn't. Oh, and what the fuck was up with that ending? Oh and the aforementioned lack of Finn and Jake for, what? The third episode now! As well as them being substituted for boring characters who I don't give a crap about just killed this tired and boring episode for me.
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** [=saundersaur=]: Finn getting his arm back was the biggest slap in the face that Pen Ward, the Adventure Time crew, and Cartoon Network, has ever given the fans. As much as I love Adventure Time, I hate how [[StatusQuoIsGod the Status Quo is God]]. The show has a vastly detailed world with an endless supply of [[ContinuityPorn Continuity Porn]]. No episode is ever forgotten. A seemingly silly and pointless episode from 3 seasons ago could come back and reveal itself as a major plot point. Yet despite this, the nature of the show is not allowed to change. Princess Bubblegum turned 13? Nope, she's 18 again one episode later. Finn gets a new girlfriend? Nope, they break up. Jake is a dad? Nope, his kids grew up and moved out in a matter of a few days, so Jake's life doesn't get to change. However, I can forgive these blunders because there was no build up. Lady Rainicorn's pregnancy came out of nowhere and the fact that Princess Bubblegum's age changes based on her body mass doesn't make much sense, even for a show like Adventure Time. So, why am I okay with these examples of chickening out on a possible status quo change, but not with Finn getting his arm back? Is it the implication that Finn can't be happy unless he's "normal", or that a disability could just instantly get fixed like it did for Finn? Or is it the fact that ever since season one, we've been treated to little hints and bits of foreshadowing that Finn would lose his arm? Actually, it's all of those reasons. Every depiction of Finn in a parallel universe shows him with a prosthetic arm. His past life, Shoko, lost her arm. The foreshadowing grew stronger and stronger with each season. Many fans figured out that it's Finn's destiny to lose his arm (since destiny is a running theme in the series). And finally, during the season six premiere, they did it in the most heartwrenching, yet mature way possible. One would expect that Finn the hero would lose his arm in battle, possibly while fighting a monster or something. Nope. [[TearJerker He lost his arm holding onto his biological father, whom he refused to give up on even after he learned that his father is a deadbeat jerk who doesn't care about him.]] Oh, and his supposedly "cursed" grass sword was actually helping him by [[CrowningMomentofAwesome turning into a massive arm to help Finn hold onto his dad, who was riding the equivalent of a spaceship.]] His grass sword was loyal to Finn until the end. Not only did Finn lose his only tie to his human lineage, but he lost an actual part of himself. And to hammer it in even more, Finn never imagined his father to be anything but a really cool guy who must have left him for a darn good reason, so the revelation of who his father actually is just adds to the heartbreak. [[KilledOffForReal Also, Prismo died just so Finn could meet his father.]] So, how do the ensuing episodes play out? We get "The Tower", an episode dedicated to having Finn learn to deal with the fallout of the traumatizing experience he went through. Yeah, it actually felt like the Adventure Time crew was going to go through with it! They were actually developing the issue and taking on some mature themes instead of holding back. In "Breezy", Finn was starting to show signs of Depression, so he started doing some despicable things, like going around kissing several princesses just to make himself feel better. This could have carried on the message of "The Tower" and show that there are unhealthy, morally wrong ways to deal with trauma. But nope. Finn got his arm back, and he doesn't learn anything. The End. So, none of it mattered. The writers literally took six seasons of foreshadowing and build-up and threw it all in the garbage. That is just extremely insulting. And it doesn't matter if Finn loses his arm again in the future, it will never be as emotionally powerful as the first time it happened.

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** [=saundersaur=]: Finn getting his arm back was the biggest slap in the face that Pen Ward, the Adventure Time crew, and Cartoon Network, has have ever given the fans. As much as I love Adventure Time, I hate how [[StatusQuoIsGod the Status Quo is God]]. The show has a vastly detailed world with an endless supply of [[ContinuityPorn Continuity Porn]]. No episode is ever forgotten. A seemingly silly and pointless episode from 3 seasons ago could come back and reveal itself as a major plot point. Yet despite this, the nature of the show is not allowed to change. Princess Bubblegum turned 13? Nope, she's 18 again one episode later. Finn gets a new girlfriend? Nope, they break up. Jake is a dad? Nope, his kids grew up and moved out in a matter of a few days, so Jake's life doesn't get to change. However, I can forgive these blunders because there was no build up. Lady Rainicorn's pregnancy came out of nowhere and the fact that Princess Bubblegum's age changes based on her body mass doesn't make much sense, even for a show like Adventure Time. So, why am I okay with these examples of chickening out on a possible status quo change, but not with Finn getting his arm back? Is it the implication that Finn can't be happy unless he's "normal", or that a disability could just instantly get fixed like it did for Finn? Or is it the fact that ever since season one, we've been treated to little hints and bits of foreshadowing that Finn would lose his arm? Actually, it's all of those reasons. Every depiction of Finn in a parallel universe shows him with a prosthetic arm. His past life, Shoko, lost her arm. The foreshadowing grew stronger and stronger with each season. Many fans figured out that it's Finn's destiny to lose his arm (since destiny is a running theme in the series). And finally, during the season six premiere, they did it in the most heartwrenching, yet mature way possible. One would expect that Finn the hero would lose his arm in battle, possibly while fighting a monster or something. Nope. [[TearJerker He lost his arm holding onto his biological father, whom he refused to give up on even after he learned that his father is a deadbeat jerk who doesn't care about him.]] Oh, and his supposedly "cursed" grass sword was actually helping him by [[CrowningMomentofAwesome turning into a massive arm to help Finn hold onto his dad, who was riding the equivalent of a spaceship.]] His grass sword was loyal to Finn until the end. Not only did Finn lose his only tie to his human lineage, but he lost an actual part of himself. And to hammer it in even more, Finn never imagined his father to be anything but a really cool guy who must have left him for a darn good reason, so the revelation of who his father actually is just adds to the heartbreak. [[KilledOffForReal Also, Prismo died just so Finn could meet his father.]] So, how do the ensuing episodes play out? We get "The Tower", an episode dedicated to having Finn learn to deal with the fallout of the traumatizing experience he went through. Yeah, it actually felt like the Adventure Time crew was going to go through with it! They were actually developing the issue and taking on some mature themes instead of holding back. In "Breezy", Finn was starting to show signs of Depression, so he started doing some despicable things, like going around kissing several princesses just to make himself feel better. This could have carried on the message of "The Tower" and show that there are unhealthy, morally wrong ways to deal with trauma. But nope. Finn got his arm back, and he doesn't learn anything. The End. So, none of it mattered. The writers literally took six seasons of foreshadowing and build-up and threw it all in the garbage. That is just extremely insulting. And it doesn't matter if Finn loses his arm again in the future, it will never be as emotionally powerful as the first time it happened.
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** Tropers/Asger: I had to remove my original entry on "Too Old" just to talk about the "Lemonhope" 2-parter. Oooooh how I loathe this episode. First of all it brings in that Purity-Stu Lemonhope back into the show, ramping him to almost absurd CreatorsPet [[invoked]] status with the little yellow turd acting like a selfish whiny brat for a good chunk of the episode while Bubblegum for some reason expects him to be the one to liberate the lemon kingdom. Gee PB, if only you had some sort of hyper-competent army of robot badasses on hand to handle things like that... too bad you casually committed genocide on them. I digress, a half hour devoted to a much loathed character while "Betty" had everything crammed into ten minutes. It comes down to a battle between Hope and the Earl, which ends when Lemongrab 2 takes the Earl's ear plugs, allowing Lemonhope to blow him up with his music. Then the real kicker- Lemongrabs 1 and 2 get stitched into a horrible abomination by PB, and the princess decides to just leave this poor borderline brain-dead creature to live alone (Didn't that end bad the last time?). Lemongrab 2 is given zero credit for his part liberating his people, making his sacrifice almost pointless, and then when PB offers Lemonhope a place in the castle the selfish yellow bastard decides to walk off and put his own needs above everyone elses. And then PB sings a song about just how great Lemonhope is, while we're treated to the grim sight of a desolated Land of Ooo. What a... charming ending. Christ... writers, please never do another Lemongrab episode, because all you do is lay down more UnfortunateImplications on top of the previous ones.
** [=FromtheWordsofBR=]: Not to mention, just like what WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said about "[[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants House Fancy]]", if you don't care about how much of a [[JerkSue Jerk]] [[MartyStu Stu]] Lemonhope is in this episode nor everything else Asger said about it, then it's just boring! Very, very, boring! I'm not joking, a show that has been able to turn simple, mundane plots into fun 11-minute episodes actually has made an episode that almost literally put me to sleep. What happened, writers? There's JumpingTheShark, and then... there's this.

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** Tropers/Asger: I had to remove my original entry on "Too Old" just to talk about the "Lemonhope" 2-parter. Oooooh how I loathe this episode. First of all it brings in that Purity-Stu Lemonhope back into the show, ramping him to almost absurd CreatorsPet [[invoked]] status with the little yellow turd acting like a selfish whiny brat for a good chunk of the episode while Bubblegum for some reason expects him to be the one to liberate the lemon kingdom. Gee PB, if only you had some sort of hyper-competent army of robot badasses on hand to handle things like that... too bad you casually committed genocide on them. I digress, a half hour devoted to a much loathed character while "Betty" had everything crammed into ten minutes. It comes down to a battle between Hope and the Earl, which ends when Lemongrab 2 takes the Earl's ear plugs, allowing Lemonhope to blow him up with his music. Then the real kicker- Lemongrabs 1 and 2 get stitched into a horrible abomination by PB, and the princess decides to just leave this poor borderline brain-dead creature to live alone (Didn't that end bad the last time?). Lemongrab 2 is given zero credit for his part liberating his people, making his sacrifice almost pointless, and then when PB offers Lemonhope a place in the castle the selfish yellow bastard decides to walk off and put his own needs above everyone elses.else's. And then PB sings a song about just how great Lemonhope is, while we're treated to the grim sight of a desolated Land of Ooo. What a... charming ending. Christ... writers, please never do another Lemongrab episode, because all you do is lay down more UnfortunateImplications on top of the previous ones.
** [=FromtheWordsofBR=]: Not to mention, just like what WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said about "[[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants House Fancy]]", if you don't care about how much of a [[JerkSue Jerk]] [[MartyStu Stu]] Lemonhope is in this episode nor everything else Asger said about it, then it's just boring! Very, very, boring! I'm not joking, joking; a show that has been able to turn simple, mundane plots into fun 11-minute episodes actually has made an episode that almost literally put me to sleep. What happened, writers? There's JumpingTheShark, and then... there's this.

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