History Determinator / ComicBooks

4th Jun '17 9:45:41 PM Ares101
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** During Day of Vengeance, Captain Marvel has to delay the Spectre for as long as possible. The Spectre is the literal Wrath of God, and Cap has virtually no chance against him. Cap fights him anyway, and the Blue Devil is basically awestruck by his heroism.

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** During Day of Vengeance, Captain Marvel has to delay the Spectre for as long as possible. The Spectre is the literal Wrath of God, and Cap has virtually no chance against him. Cap fights him anyway, and no matter how badly the Spectre beats him down, Cap just keeps getting back up to continue the fight. The Blue Devil Devil, who witnesses the battle, is basically awestruck by his heroism.
4th Jun '17 9:35:10 PM Ares101
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* [[Comicbook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] just doesn't know when to quit. Even with attributes like the Stamina of Atlas, it's ultimately the heart of Billy Batson that makes him such a beloved and admired hero.
** During a JSA story, the Ultra-Humanite uses the powers of the Thunderbolt to fight against an army of heroes. He unleashes a storm of magical energy that would annihilate most heroes. Cap not only powered through the waves of energy, he launched the attack that ultimately brought the villain down.
** During Underworld Unleashed, Cap is part of a Justice League that descend into Hell itself to try and save Superman, believing that the demon Neron has his soul. Even when the other heroes are prepared to give up, even when Hell itself is trying to tempt him into abandoning his mission, Billy keeps pushing forward, eventually leading the charge into Neron's throne room to demand Superman's freedom. At which point Neron reveals that it wasn't Superman that he wanted, but Captain Marvel. Neron then corrupts the Justice League, whom then attack the Captain, which Neron hopes will force Billy to kill in self defense. Cap refuses to kill, and not only fights them off, but works with the Trickster to pull a fast one on Neron, saving all of Earth. Did I mention Cap did all of this with a broken arm?
** It wasn't the only time Captain Marvel went into Hell to save someone he cared about. When Shazam was imprisoned by the demon Blaze, Cap basically fought his way through Hell, his arm STILL broken, and rescued the Wizard from an eternity of suffering.
** During Day of Vengeance, Captain Marvel has to delay the Spectre for as long as possible. The Spectre is the literal Wrath of God, and Cap has virtually no chance against him. Cap fights him anyway, and the Blue Devil is basically awestruck by his heroism.
-->'''Blue Devil''': Want to see real bravery? Take a look at this guy. He calls himself Captain Marvel, the Earth's Mightiest Mortal. Who knows? Maybe he is. Now he's in the middle of a one-on-one throwdown with the Spectre -- an immortal being so incalculably powerful that our Mightiest Mortal's like a paraplegic child taking on a heavyweight prize fighter. From what I understand, Captain Marvel can survive only so long as his magical power source holds out. But the Spectre is bleeding it dry so quickly, Marvel's continued life span can be measured in a matter of seconds, double digits at most. And every one of those precious seconds will be spent in indescribable agony. Regardless, Marvel fights on. Take a note, boys and girls: that's what real bravery looks like.
2nd Jan '17 2:57:37 AM Tron80
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** In ''Comicbook/SupermanBrainiac'' Pa Kent reveals that he spent almost six months looking for a baseball batted by his son when Clark was a kid.
15th Dec '16 5:21:18 AM Tron80
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** In ''Comicbook/KryptoniteNevermore'', Superman makes clear that he doesn't give up when a power-stealing criminal attacks him.
--->'''Nyxly:''' Surrender, Superman!\\
'''Superman:''' Maybe I will... Ten minutes after I'm dead! Not a second before!
13th Dec '16 11:02:21 AM Tron80
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** In ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl 1982}} Supergirl Volume 2]]'' #20, super-villain Parasite depowers Supergirl and seals her in a metal coffin that is floating a mile above solid ground. And she will run out of air within less than four minutes. So... what does she do? Relax, breathe shallowly and think of a plan. She breaks out, uses her cloak to glide downwards, and fights Parasite again.
12th Dec '16 1:32:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* The graphic novel ''ComicBook/ThreeHundred'' (and really, the real life battle that it it based on) makes a note of showing that all of the 300 Spartans (particularly King Leonidas) are some of the most {{badass}} {{determinator}}s imaginable.

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* The graphic novel ''ComicBook/ThreeHundred'' (and really, the real life battle that it it based on) makes a note of showing that all of the 300 Spartans (particularly King Leonidas) are some of the most {{badass}} badass {{determinator}}s imaginable.



** Colossus is the good-guy equivalent to TheJuggernaut once he gets going. He once scaled a demonically-possessed Empire State Building, which had grown to several times its normal height [[{{Badass}} with his bare (steel) hands.]] Just to free his friends from the demonic influences coming from it [[IncorruptiblePurePureness (which he happened to be immune to)]].

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** Colossus is the good-guy equivalent to TheJuggernaut once he gets going. He once scaled a demonically-possessed Empire State Building, which had grown to several times its normal height [[{{Badass}} with his bare (steel) hands.]] hands. Just to free his friends from the demonic influences coming from it [[IncorruptiblePurePureness (which he happened to be immune to)]].



** Hal Jordan is not the biggest Determinator among the Lanterns, just (possibly) the best of the Lanterns. Guy Gardner, for all his faults, smugness, and jerkassery, is said to have a willpower so strong that the Green Lantern rings are actually ''unable to contain it.'' He has used a red, yellow, and green ring in the past, and his will is so strong that his rings constantly emit power--even if he's just standing still, doing nothing whatsoever, his ring will spark and flash. That's right, folks. Guy Gardner's willpower is actually ''too strong.'' Which is [[{{BadAss}} awesome.]]

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** Hal Jordan is not the biggest Determinator among the Lanterns, just (possibly) the best of the Lanterns. Guy Gardner, for all his faults, smugness, and jerkassery, is said to have a willpower so strong that the Green Lantern rings are actually ''unable to contain it.'' He has used a red, yellow, and green ring in the past, and his will is so strong that his rings constantly emit power--even if he's just standing still, doing nothing whatsoever, his ring will spark and flash. That's right, folks. Guy Gardner's willpower is actually ''too strong.'' Which is [[{{BadAss}} awesome.]]



* Perhaps the only real power ''ComicBook/KickAss'' possesses is the fact that he never, ''ever'' gives up. Even when [[spoiler:he gets strapped to a chair and gets his testicles electrocuted for half an hour, his plan for getting out of it is to get the mobsters to punch him until the chair breaks. Then he gets right back up and tells them to bring it. They do, but luckily Hit Girl returns just in time to eviscerate them all]]. Which is either pretty solid deconstruction or straightforward {{Badass}}. The fact he keeps at the whole superhero thing even when he knows full well that the world's not worth saving is ''supposed'' to be a gut-wrenching demonstration of the kind of depths of despair and nihilism he's fallen to, but it reads more like a very well written Moment of {{Badass}}.

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* Perhaps the only real power ''ComicBook/KickAss'' possesses is the fact that he never, ''ever'' gives up. Even when [[spoiler:he gets strapped to a chair and gets his testicles electrocuted for half an hour, his plan for getting out of it is to get the mobsters to punch him until the chair breaks. Then he gets right back up and tells them to bring it. They do, but luckily Hit Girl returns just in time to eviscerate them all]]. Which is either pretty solid deconstruction or straightforward {{Badass}}. badass. The fact he keeps at the whole superhero thing even when he knows full well that the world's not worth saving is ''supposed'' to be a gut-wrenching demonstration of the kind of depths of despair and nihilism he's fallen to, but it reads more like a very well written Moment of {{Badass}}.Badass.
6th Dec '16 10:58:14 PM WillBGood
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::There are many examples that make him the very ''personification'' of this trope. A similar situation and dialogue occurs in ''The Thing: Last Line Of Defense'', which takes place when Sue Richards is pregnant with her and Reed's first kid, Franklin. Bad guy Blastaar beats Ben Grimm to a pulp, and proceeds to attack Sue. She's unconscious and is about to be killed when the half-dead Grimm gets back in the fight with:

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::There ** There are many examples that make him the very ''personification'' of this trope. A similar situation and dialogue occurs in ''The Thing: Last Line Of Defense'', which takes place when Sue Richards is pregnant with her and Reed's first kid, Franklin. Bad guy Blastaar beats Ben Grimm to a pulp, and proceeds to attack Sue. She's unconscious and is about to be killed when the half-dead Grimm gets back in the fight with:



'''Blastaar:''' Bold talk from a man [[YouCanBarelyStand who can barely stand]]. And you still make threats.\\

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'''Blastaar:''' Bold talk from a man [[YouCanBarelyStand who can barely stand]]. And you still make threats.[[IsThatAThreat threats]].\\



::And, of course, there was his CrowningMomentOfAwesome when he fought The Champion.
-->'''The Thing:''' Hold it! This fight ain’t over yet... not by a long shot! Ya only won on a technicality! Ya didn’t really beat me! Ya’ll never beat me! I’m just too stupid… and ugly… ta know when to quit!

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::And, ** And, of course, there was his CrowningMomentOfAwesome when he fought The Champion.
-->'''The Thing:''' Hold it! This fight ain’t ain't over yet... not by a long shot! Ya only won on a technicality! Ya didn’t really beat me! Ya’ll Ya'll never beat me! I’m I'm just too stupid… stupid... and ugly… ugly... ta know when to quit!
28th Nov '16 1:13:59 AM Tron80
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* Superman's cousin ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' never quits. Never. Not even when she's poisoned with Kryptonite, her body is getting stolen by an alien abomination, and her heart has stopped. Even so, she'll keep fighting. In the ''ComicBook/RedDaughterOfKrypton'' arc she explains that her mother taught her to never give up.
-->'''Supergirl:''' But then I thought of mother. I remembered all I had to live up to. A daughter of the House of El never quits. I wasn't about to be the first.

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* Superman's cousin ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'':
** Kara
never quits. Never. Not even when she's poisoned with Kryptonite, her body is getting stolen by an alien abomination, and her heart has stopped. Even so, she'll keep fighting. fighting.
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In the ''ComicBook/RedDaughterOfKrypton'' arc she explains that her mother taught her to never give up.
-->'''Supergirl:''' --->'''Supergirl:''' But then I thought of mother. I remembered all I had to live up to. A daughter of the House of El never quits. I wasn't about to be the first.first.
** In ''Comicbook/WarWorld'', Supergirl proves to be a bigger determinator than her cousin. As Superman is wondering whether they have some chance to defeat Mongul, Supergirl encourages him to fight, declaring that they will definitely try.
12th Nov '16 3:54:40 AM LadyJaneGrey
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** One very early example was the very first Spider-Man Annual which introduced the Sinister Six. Spider-Man lost his powers and then still went to face the six most dangerous villains he had ever fought one after another because it was his responsibility. [[spoiler: He got his powers back after the first fight.]]
** Pictured on this page is an early example from the "Master Planner" storyline in ''Amazing Spider-Man #50''. After Doctor Octopus stole medicine that had been meant for his Aunt, Spidey tore the entire city apart trying to find him before confronting the villain in his underwater lair, only to have half the complex fall on him; as an omen of his terrible luck, the canister was just out of his reach, as if some higher power was cruelly taunting him. He metaphorically told said higher power to go to hell, and somehow managed to lift several tons of concrete and steel off his back in order to recover it.



** Spidey fits this trope to a 'T'. The classic two-issue "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut!" leaves one wondering who it was that really couldn't be stopped.

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** Spidey fits this trope to a 'T'. The Then there was the classic two-issue "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut!" It leaves one wondering who it was that really ''really'' couldn't be stopped.



** Also the very first Spider-Man Annual which introduced the Sinister Six where Spider-Man lost his powers and then still went to face the six most dangerous villains he had ever fought one after another because it was his responsibility. [[spoiler: He got his powers back after the first fight.]]



** There are many examples that make him the very ''personification'' of this trope. A similar situation and dialogue occurs in ''The Thing: Last Line Of Defense'', which takes place when Sue Richards is pregnant with her and Reed's first kid, Franklin. Bad guy Blastaar beats Ben Grimm to a pulp, and proceeds to attack Sue. She's unconscious and is about to be killed when the half-dead Grimm gets back in the fight with:

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** There ::There are many examples that make him the very ''personification'' of this trope. A similar situation and dialogue occurs in ''The Thing: Last Line Of Defense'', which takes place when Sue Richards is pregnant with her and Reed's first kid, Franklin. Bad guy Blastaar beats Ben Grimm to a pulp, and proceeds to attack Sue. She's unconscious and is about to be killed when the half-dead Grimm gets back in the fight with:



** And, of course, there was his CrowningMomentOfAwesome when he fought The Champion.

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** And, ::And, of course, there was his CrowningMomentOfAwesome when he fought The Champion.
29th Sep '16 2:18:47 AM StFan
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