History DeconstructedTrope / ASongofIceandfire

27th Nov '16 3:02:02 AM TheFLL
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* BraekTheCutie: Petyr Baelish, Sandor Clegane, Lysa Arryn and Jaime Lannister walked into life [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed, full hearted and determined to live up to many of the ideals they or others held.]] When reality not only failed them, but outright punished them for trying to live life like a fairy tale, [[JerkassWoobie they all become much more bitter and darker]] [[TookALevelInJerkass in their adult lives.]] [[spoiler: Even Sansa ends up abandoning her family's ideals of honour and justice out of a desire to simply survive as a hostage, and out of the realisation that following those ideals got most of her relatives killed.]]

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* BraekTheCutie: BreakTheCutie: Petyr Baelish, Sandor Clegane, Lysa Arryn and Jaime Lannister walked into life [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed, full hearted and determined to live up to many of the ideals they or others held.]] When reality not only failed them, but outright punished them for trying to live life like a fairy tale, [[JerkassWoobie they all become much more bitter and darker]] [[TookALevelInJerkass in their adult lives.]] [[spoiler: Even Sansa ends up abandoning her family's ideals of honour and justice out of a desire to simply survive as a hostage, and out of the realisation that following those ideals got most of her relatives killed.]]
27th Nov '16 3:01:05 AM TheFLL
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* BraekTheCutie: Petyr Baelish, Sandor Clegane, Lysa Arryn and Jaime Lannister walked into life [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed, full hearted and determined to live up to many of the ideals they or others held.]] When reality not only failed them, but outright punished them for trying to live life like a fairy tale, [[JerkassWoobie they all become much more bitter and darker]] [[TookALevelInJerkass in their adult lives.]] [[spoiler: Even Sansa ends up abandoning her family's ideals of honour and justice out of a desire to simply survive as a hostage, and out of the realisation that following those ideals got most of her relatives killed.]]
23rd Nov '16 2:09:12 PM qazwsx
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* ScrewDestiny: Cersei desperately attempts to avert a prophecy made when she was a child: [[spoiler: that she would outlive all her children, who would die as kings and queens, and that after everything she had was taken away by another, younger and more beautiful, the valonqar (High Valyrian for “little sibling”) would come to end her life.]] Her manner of doing so involves murder, torture, and treason. When the prophecy seemed to be [[YouCantFightFate coming true anyway]], her fear caused her to [[SanitySlippage unravel]]. Over the course of the ''A Feast For Crows'', she becomes increasingly unstable and irresponsible, her paranoia causes her to alienate her most valuable allies, and she gets herself into huge amount of political and religious trouble.

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* ScrewDestiny: Cersei desperately attempts to avert a prophecy made when she was a child: [[spoiler: that she would outlive all her children, who would die as kings and queens, and that after everything she had was taken away by another, younger and more beautiful, the valonqar (High Valyrian for “little sibling”) "little brother") would come to end her life.]] Her manner of doing so involves murder, torture, and treason. When the prophecy seemed to be [[YouCantFightFate coming true anyway]], her fear caused her to [[SanitySlippage unravel]]. Over the course of the ''A Feast For Crows'', she becomes increasingly unstable and irresponsible, her paranoia causes her to alienate her most valuable allies, and she gets herself into huge amount of political and religious trouble.
22nd Nov '16 10:12:30 AM TheFLL
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* {{Tyrannicide}}: In theory, dethroning and killing the tyrant of the realm is sound and justified. In practice, even when the tyrants are such an AssholeVictim that death would be too kind, usurping the reigning monarch can have devastating consequences, even when justified and necessary.
** Robert's Rebellion took place because Mad King Aerys finally took too many liberties with his vassals, and declared open season on three of his biggest ones. But the Targaryen removal from the throne didn't really improve the situation because the usurpers weren't really up to the task of taking the Targaryen position of ruling an entire continent, which is unsuprising since Robert just wanted Lyanna back and take revenge on Rhaegar: Being king ''really'' wasn't on his mind. The after effects of Aerys' {{Tyrannicide}} lays the groundwork of much of the conflict the story records.
** [[spoiler: Tywin betrayed his king and the formerly ruling dynasty, wiped out the family of IdealHeroes, and organised the gang rape of his daughter-in-law for being a peasant amongst other crimes, so Tyrion's {{Patricide}} is completely understandable, yet it doesn't change the fact that as a [[PragmaticVillainy brutal but effective administrator,]] [[NecessarilyEvil his death plunges the realm further into chaos,]] especially since the [[StupidEvil insane ''and'' incompetent]] Cersei takes control of the regime.]]
21st Nov '16 4:56:11 AM TheHoff779
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* ScrewDestiny: Cersei desperately attempts to avert a prophecy made when she was a child: [[spoiler: that she would outlive all her children, who would die as kings and queens, and that after everything she had was taken away by another, younger and more beautiful, the valonqar (High Valyrian for “little brother”) would come to end her life.]] Her manner of doing so involves murder, torture, and treason. When the prophecy seemed to be [[YouCantFightFate coming true anyway]], her fear caused her to [[SanitySlippage unravel]]. Over the course of the ''A Feast For Crows'', she becomes increasingly unstable and irresponsible, her paranoia causes her to alienate her most valuable allies, and she gets herself into huge amount of political and religious trouble.

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* ScrewDestiny: Cersei desperately attempts to avert a prophecy made when she was a child: [[spoiler: that she would outlive all her children, who would die as kings and queens, and that after everything she had was taken away by another, younger and more beautiful, the valonqar (High Valyrian for “little brother”) sibling”) would come to end her life.]] Her manner of doing so involves murder, torture, and treason. When the prophecy seemed to be [[YouCantFightFate coming true anyway]], her fear caused her to [[SanitySlippage unravel]]. Over the course of the ''A Feast For Crows'', she becomes increasingly unstable and irresponsible, her paranoia causes her to alienate her most valuable allies, and she gets herself into huge amount of political and religious trouble.
19th Nov '16 6:18:34 PM NarpYarp
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** RescueArc: Robb Stark agrees to marry a Frey, among other deals, so his army can cross the Frey to rescue his father and sisters. [[spoiler: Ned is executed anyway.]]

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** RescueArc: Robb Stark agrees to marry a Frey, among other deals, so his army can cross the Frey bridge to rescue his father and sisters. [[spoiler: Ned is executed anyway.anyway and the Freys betray Robb. Sansa only escapes thanks to Littlefinger.]]
19th Nov '16 6:16:38 PM NarpYarp
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** SaveThePrincess: Brandon and Rickard Stark were killed when they go to the Mad King directly, marking the beginning of Robert's Rebellion. Lyanna's captors were smart enough to move her around instead of keeping her in one place. She was already dying by the time Ned got to her.

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** SaveThePrincess: Brandon and Rickard RescueArc: Robb Stark were killed when they go agrees to marry a Frey, among other deals, so his army can cross the Mad King directly, marking the beginning of Robert's Rebellion. Lyanna's captors were smart enough Frey to move her around instead of keeping her in one place. She was already dying by the time rescue his father and sisters. [[spoiler: Ned got to her.is executed anyway.]]
14th Nov '16 2:34:38 PM BatmanKalEl
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* MarryForLove: Harshly deconstructed in the case of Robb Stark. The Young Wolf breaks off a politically-important ArrangedMarriage when he falls for the FlorenceNightingaleEffect after he's wounded in battle. He hastily arranges for [[WhyWasteAWedding his uncle to marry his fiancée in his place]] in an effort to uphold the alliance... [[spoiler:but at the wedding feast, he, his mother and many of his high command are murdered by their hosts, who took the snub as an excuse to change allegiance. This is the famous "Red Wedding" which you may have heard many readers and ''Series/GameOfThrones'' viewers lamenting.]]
14th Nov '16 7:47:43 AM Euodiachloris
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** Renly cultivates a good image and uses this to justify his attempt to usurp the Iron Throne. However, he is in reality a greedy and vain figure who is willing to murder his brother and starve hundreds of thousands of people to seize power.
** Contrast with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, [[PoisonousFriend including ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] would ''like'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a sign that you aren't suited to rule.

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** Renly cultivates a good image and uses this to justify his attempt to usurp the Iron Throne. However, he is in reality a greedy and vain figure who is willing to murder his brother and starve hundreds of thousands of people to seize power.
power. The Tyrells are more than happy to lend him their political, martial and financial backing, as well as their PR know-how, simply ''because'' he's good enough at the game of appearances (and venal enough) to work with.
** Contrast Directly contrast with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained disliked and rejected because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, particularly [[PoisonousFriend including the ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] within society, would ''like'' ''love'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a an important sign that you aren't actually suited to rule.
12th Nov '16 7:54:47 PM qazwsx
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*** [[spoiler: We have learnt about it from just one source. I would wait for more books, because Martin may wants to deconstruct tropy of ancient conspiracy, showing that purpose of maesters were shifting over the ages and they are far from being united in achieving commong goal]]
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