History DeaderThanDisco / AnimeAndManga

6th Dec '16 8:57:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Anime/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a ''[[{{Macekre}} bad]]'' dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually long runners like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket such as ''Glitter Force'' (the English dub of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'').

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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Anime/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a ''[[{{Macekre}} bad]]'' dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually long runners like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket such as ''Glitter Force'' (the English dub of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'').



* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]] (caused by both the Author adding in a new mary-sueish girl and the anime studio deciding to push her even more), especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators. And the author insisting on tossing in more characters and focusing on harem antics do little to help the greater scene. Today, you'll only hear it brought up to be blamed for the glut of low-quality HaremSeries that followed it, or to make fun of its [[IdiotHero seemingly impossibly dense protagonist]]. The only positive things people talk about are some of the characters and manga adaptations with Yuuki Homura's being considered so far to be superior even by the author himself.

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* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]] (caused by both the Author adding in a new mary-sueish girl and the anime studio deciding to push her even more), especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators. And the author insisting on tossing in more characters and focusing on harem antics do little to help the greater scene. Today, you'll only hear it brought up to be blamed for the glut of low-quality HaremSeries that followed it, or to make fun of its [[IdiotHero seemingly impossibly dense protagonist]]. The only positive things people talk about are some of the characters and manga adaptations with Yuuki Homura's being considered so far to be superior even by the author himself.



* ''Manga/LuckyStar'' has turned into this in the eyes of mainstream otaku in the West, due to most of the anime's references aging badly (almost half of its {{Shout Out}}s are to ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', which, as detailed above, is ''also'' considered deader than disco by many at this point) and the backlash against {{moe}} shows in general. It didn't help that the anime mainly used the first volume for its material. The manga went on hiatus for a while but it returned from its hiatus as well as getting cross-promoted with ''VideoGame/KantaiCollection''.

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* ''Manga/LuckyStar'' has turned into this in the eyes of mainstream otaku in the West, due to most of the anime's references aging badly (almost half of its {{Shout Out}}s are to ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', which, as detailed above, which is ''also'' considered deader than disco by many at this point) and the backlash against {{moe}} shows in general. It didn't help that the anime mainly used the first volume for its material. The manga went on hiatus for a while but it returned from its hiatus as well as getting cross-promoted with ''VideoGame/KantaiCollection''.
2nd Dec '16 7:04:42 AM Oecchi
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day homaged and parodied, so it is not this. However, Creator/{{DiC}}'s adaptation of the anime ''is'' Deader than Disco. Their dub was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, MagicalGirl series, and is to this day still homaged and parodied, parodied to this day, so it is not this. However, Creator/{{DiC}}'s adaptation of the anime ''is'' Deader than Disco. Their dub was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).
30th Nov '16 1:13:37 PM AreYouTyler
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day homaged and parodied, so it is not this. But the one that ''is'' are the dub produced by Creator/{{DiC}}. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day homaged and parodied, so it is not this. But However, Creator/{{DiC}}'s adaptation of the one that anime ''is'' are the Deader than Disco. Their dub produced by Creator/{{DiC}}. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).
30th Nov '16 3:01:43 AM Wkenneth334
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is the dub produced by Creator/{{DiC}}. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is But the one that ''is'' are the dub produced by Creator/{{DiC}}. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes ordered by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub, and, although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]], the majority opinion is that it is by ''far'' the superior version (in Creator/{{DIC}}'s defense, the episodes distributed by them are usually consider better than the ones by Cloverway).
29th Nov '16 9:25:33 PM Kelothan
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Even the most hardcore {{Otaku}}s won't touch these anime or manga, [[DeaderThanDisco no matter how popular they once were]].

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Even the most hardcore {{Otaku}}s won't touch these anime or manga, [[DeaderThanDisco no matter how popular they once were]].



* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. However, after the original show ended abruptly, and other shows came around to fill the void, backlash ensued. Nowadays, the show's mainly just remembered for its [[ArcFatigue overly long narrative]], FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along), and [[TakahashiCouple the leads extremely violent relationship]]. Whenever anyone mentions it positively, chances are they're just talking about the ''voice acting''.

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* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. However, after the original show ended abruptly, and other shows came around to fill the void, backlash ensued. Nowadays, the show's mainly just remembered for its [[ArcFatigue overly long narrative]], FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along), and [[TakahashiCouple the leads extremely violent relationship]]. Whenever anyone mentions it positively, chances are they're just talking about the ''voice acting''.manga.
28th Nov '16 3:31:42 AM ReiKusanagi
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* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]], especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators. Today, you'll only hear it brought up to be blamed for the glut of low-quality HaremSeries that followed it, or to make fun of its [[IdiotHero seemingly impossibly dense protagonist]].

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* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]], season]] (caused by both the Author adding in a new mary-sueish girl and the anime studio deciding to push her even more), especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators.imitators. And the author insisting on tossing in more characters and focusing on harem antics do little to help the greater scene. Today, you'll only hear it brought up to be blamed for the glut of low-quality HaremSeries that followed it, or to make fun of its [[IdiotHero seemingly impossibly dense protagonist]]. The only positive things people talk about are some of the characters and manga adaptations with Yuuki Homura's being considered so far to be superior even by the author himself.



* ''Manga/LuckyStar'' has turned into this in the eyes of mainstream otaku in the West, due to most of the anime's references aging badly (almost half of its {{Shout Out}}s are to ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', which, as detailed above, is ''also'' considered deader than disco by many at this point) and the backlash against {{moe}} shows in general. The manga went on hiatus for a while but it returned from its hiatus as well as getting cross-promoted with ''VideoGame/KantaiCollection''.

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* ''Manga/LuckyStar'' has turned into this in the eyes of mainstream otaku in the West, due to most of the anime's references aging badly (almost half of its {{Shout Out}}s are to ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', which, as detailed above, is ''also'' considered deader than disco by many at this point) and the backlash against {{moe}} shows in general. It didn't help that the anime mainly used the first volume for its material. The manga went on hiatus for a while but it returned from its hiatus as well as getting cross-promoted with ''VideoGame/KantaiCollection''.



* ''Eiken'' was a smash hit in the US when it came out (if only for how ridiculously over-the-top its {{Fanservice}} was). Now it's nigh universally despised punching bag and seen as everything wrong with ecchi harems. Most otaku refuse to even touch it after learning it has a [[{{Squick}} little girl with]] GagBoobs in it.

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* ''Eiken'' was a smash hit in the US when it came out (if only for how ridiculously over-the-top its {{Fanservice}} was). Now it's nigh universally despised punching bag and seen as everything wrong with ecchi harems. Most otaku refuse to even touch it after learning it has a [[{{Squick}} little girl with]] GagBoobs in it.it and those that didn't did so after seeing how questionably the manga was drawn.
27th Nov '16 3:32:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* LongRunners, specifically of Shonen Adaptations, have seen a steep decline of over the year. Due to decline and eventual death of the animation adaptations of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' and ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'', the industry has actually started to change how they choose to adapt Shonen Manga. Instead of keeping the shows running indefinitely, adaptions are instead done seasons at a time. Many of the newer, more popular anime [[note]]One Punch Man, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Food Wars, Mob Psycho 100, JoJo's Bizarre Adventures]] Before it was the norm to keep these type of adaptations running, even if they were at risk of [[OvertookTheManga over taking the manga.]] This would result in either padding and filler, or a completely new ending. It's not a coincidence that many of the "Individual Series" entries are actually a result of this.
27th Nov '16 3:30:36 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Creator/StudioGainax is now a shell of it's former self. After a mass staff exodus led to creations of Creator/StudioTrigger and [[Creator/HideakiAnno Studio Khara]], Gainax has now abandoned making ambitious original content that initally won them acclaim.
27th Nov '16 3:17:05 PM Lionheart0
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* LongRunners, specifically of Shonen Adaptations, have seen a steep decline of over the year. Due to decline and eventually death of the animation adaptations of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' and ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'', the industry has actually started to change how they choose to adapt Shonen Manga. Instead of keeping the shows running indefinitely, adaptions are instead done seasons at a time. Many of the newer, more popular anime [[note]]One Punch Man, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Food Wars, Mob Psycho 100, JoJo's Bizarre Adventures]] Before it was the norm to keep these type of adaptations running, even if they were at risk of [[OvertookTheManga over taking the manga.]] This would result in either padding and filler, or a completely new ending. It's not a coincidence that many of the "Individual Series" entries are actually a result of this.

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* LongRunners, specifically of Shonen Adaptations, have seen a steep decline of over the year. Due to decline and eventually eventual death of the animation adaptations of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' and ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'', the industry has actually started to change how they choose to adapt Shonen Manga. Instead of keeping the shows running indefinitely, adaptions are instead done seasons at a time. Many of the newer, more popular anime [[note]]One Punch Man, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Food Wars, Mob Psycho 100, JoJo's Bizarre Adventures]] Before it was the norm to keep these type of adaptations running, even if they were at risk of [[OvertookTheManga over taking the manga.]] This would result in either padding and filler, or a completely new ending. It's not a coincidence that many of the "Individual Series" entries are actually a result of this.
27th Nov '16 3:14:37 PM Lionheart0
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* LongRunners, specifically of Shonen Adaptations, have seen a steep decline of over the year. Due to decline and eventually death of the animation adaptations of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' and ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'', the industry has actually started to change how they choose to adapt Shonen Manga. Instead of keeping the shows running indefinitely, adaptions are instead done seasons at a time. Many of the newer, more popular anime [[note]]One Punch Man, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Food Wars, Mob Psycho 100, JoJo's Bizarre Adventures]] Before it was the norm to keep these type of adaptations running, even if they were at risk of [[OvertookTheManga over taking the manga.]] This would result in either padding and filler, or a completely new ending. It's not a coincidence that many of the "Individual Series" entries are actually a result of this.
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