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23rd Jul '16 10:07:34 PM Pichu-kun
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** Ironically, as the series has waned in popularity among Western fans, ''Gundam Wing'' [[VindicatedByHistory gradually gained more respect in the show's native country]]. Despite scoring mediocre ratings in its original run and getting overshadowed by earlier installments, it was still ranked in [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-29/ntt-docomo-survey-ranks-best-gundam-series a 2014 poll]] as Japan's 5th favorite ''Gundam'' series. Furthermore, the series has proven to be rather influential with its characters spawning [[FountainOfExpies close copies]] in later Gundam series and in other works like ''Anime/CodeGeass'', Anime/AldnoahZero, and LightNovel/FullMetalPanic. Plus the popularity of its Bishonen character designs have attracted a [[EstrogenBrigade armies of fangirls]], [[FollowTheLeader leading to other mecha shows to have pretty boy character designs created by female mangakas]]. Even Creator/YoshiyukiTomino (who didn't work on ''Wing'') acknowledged the series as canon in Anime/TurnAGundam. So while ''Gundam Wing'' has faded from Western conscious, it has gradually achieved iconic status in Japan.

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** Ironically, as the series has waned in popularity among Western fans, ''Gundam Wing'' [[VindicatedByHistory gradually gained more respect in the show's native country]]. Despite scoring mediocre ratings in its original run and getting overshadowed by earlier installments, it was still ranked in [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-29/ntt-docomo-survey-ranks-best-gundam-series a 2014 poll]] as Japan's 5th favorite ''Gundam'' series. Furthermore, the series has proven to be rather influential with its characters spawning [[FountainOfExpies close copies]] in later Gundam ''Gundam'' series and in other works like ''Anime/CodeGeass'', Anime/AldnoahZero, ''Anime/AldnoahZero'', and LightNovel/FullMetalPanic.''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic''. Plus the popularity of its Bishonen character designs have attracted a [[EstrogenBrigade armies of fangirls]], [[FollowTheLeader leading to other mecha shows to have pretty boy character designs created by female mangakas]]. Even Creator/YoshiyukiTomino (who didn't work on ''Wing'') acknowledged the series as canon in Anime/TurnAGundam. So while ''Gundam Wing'' has faded from Western conscious, it has gradually achieved iconic status in Japan.



* The Blood franchise is now becoming this. Back in 2000, ''Anime/BloodTheLastVampire'' is considered something innovating as it was written by Mamoru Oshii which got the attention of Creator/QuentinTarantino who was inspired by Saya's character in creating Gogo Yubari of ''Film/KillBill'' along with ChiakiKuriyama's character from Literature/BattleRoyale movie. In 2005 came ''Anime/BloodPlus'' which was well received and became a CultClassic. There's also a live-action version of the original OVA which earned a modest box office but scathing reviews. Then in 2011 came ''Anime/BloodC'' which is a collaboration with Creator/{{Clamp}} who are both in charge of the character design and story. The end result became a [[IncrediblyLamePun bloody mess]] with a LoveItOrHateIt reaction and low BD sales. They tried to repair the damage with the sequel, ''Anime/BloodCTheLastDark'', which is received better with modest BD sales but a flop in the Japanese box office regardless that it's funded by the Japanese government. By 2015, there's a peak in the franchise again with a theater play of ''Blood-C'' which is an {{interquel}}. Though this is not enough to revive the interest of the franchise. Today, most people would rather prefer ''Blood+'' as the best and refused to touch ''Blood-C'' because they find it too gory and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy too depressing]] and it's a frequent SnarkBait.

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* The Blood ''Blood'' franchise is now becoming this. Back in 2000, ''Anime/BloodTheLastVampire'' is considered something innovating as it was written by Mamoru Oshii which got the attention of Creator/QuentinTarantino who was inspired by Saya's character in creating Gogo Yubari of ''Film/KillBill'' along with ChiakiKuriyama's character from Literature/BattleRoyale movie. In 2005 came ''Anime/BloodPlus'' which was well received and became a CultClassic. There's also a live-action version of the original OVA which earned a modest box office but scathing reviews. Then in 2011 came ''Anime/BloodC'' which is a collaboration with Creator/{{Clamp}} who are both in charge of the character design and story. The end result became a [[IncrediblyLamePun bloody mess]] with a LoveItOrHateIt reaction and low BD sales. They tried to repair the damage with the sequel, ''Anime/BloodCTheLastDark'', which is received better with modest BD sales but a flop in the Japanese box office regardless that it's funded by the Japanese government. By 2015, there's a peak in the franchise again with a theater play of ''Blood-C'' which is an {{interquel}}. Though this is not enough to revive the interest of the franchise. Today, most people would rather prefer ''Blood+'' as the best and refused to touch ''Blood-C'' because they find it too gory and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy too depressing]] and it's a frequent SnarkBait.



* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Franchise/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a {{Macekre}} dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually {{Long Runner}}s like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket such as ''Glitter Force'' (the English dub of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'').

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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Franchise/{{Beyblade}}'' ''Anime/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a {{Macekre}} dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually {{Long Runner}}s like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket such as ''Glitter Force'' (the English dub of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'').
23rd Jul '16 9:46:49 PM Pichu-kun
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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Franchise/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a {{Macekre}} dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually {{Long Runner}}s like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket.

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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledCountryChange ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Franchise/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a {{Macekre}} dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually {{Long Runner}}s like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket.bracket such as ''Glitter Force'' (the English dub of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'').
23rd Jul '16 9:42:13 PM Pichu-kun
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* Non-ironic MagicalGirl shows aimed at young girls. The only examples still running and successful are shows in the Anime/PrettyCure franchise, and even those have some parody/post modernist elements to them. The genre's increasing association with DarkerAndEdgier {{deconstruction}}s like ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' and ''Anime/YukiYunaIsAHero'' also adds to its status as this.

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* Non-ironic MagicalGirl shows aimed at young girls. The only examples still running and successful are shows in the Anime/PrettyCure ''Franchise/PrettyCure'' franchise, and even those have some parody/post modernist elements to them. The genre's increasing association with DarkerAndEdgier {{deconstruction}}s like ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' and ''Anime/YukiYunaIsAHero'' also adds to its status as this.



* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day, homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is the dub produced by Creator/DiC. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on {{Toonami}} putting the show into Anerican consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes produced by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub (although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]]).

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day, homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is the dub produced by Creator/DiC. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on {{Toonami}} Creator/{{Toonami}} putting the show into Anerican American consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes produced by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub (although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]]).


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* The concept of the DubNameChange has become this, at least when it comes to English dubs. This often goes hand-in-hand with the above-mentioned decline of the CutAndPasteTranslation. Prior to the mid-2000s it was the default to "westernize" characters names even if a ThinlyVeiledCountryChange wasn't the intention. With the rise of the internet anime community and more knowledge of the original Japanese versions of anime, fewer and fewer dubs are changing characters names. Even series like ''Franchise/{{Beyblade}}'' and ''Franchise/{{YuGiOh}}'' which originally changed characters names have dropped the practice. English dubs changing the characters names is often seen as a sign of a {{Macekre}} dub and aren't as commonly accepted as they used to be. The few series that do this are usually {{Long Runner}}s like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' or are doing it to match their source, like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/YokaiWatch''. The ones that don't have those excuses are aimed at a young age bracket.
14th Jul '16 9:08:29 AM AnotherDuck
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' started off as an overnight sensation, gaining rapid popularity in Japan (and in the anime fandom in the West) to the point of being considered one of the "Big 3" of Japan along with ''Manga/OnePiece'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}.'' Around the time of the Arrancar arc however, Bleach suffered massive HypeBacklash due in part to its rather infamous reputation for ArcFatigue, along with many controversial plot twists. Said ArcFatigue also negatively impacted the anime, as well causing (multiple) lengthy filler arcs. To add insult to injury, declining ratings would lead the anime to be unceremoniously cancelled and replaced by ''[[Manga/RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth a Naruto spinoff.]]'' These days, it's still fairly popular in English-speaking areas, but the fanbase is ''nowhere near'' as big as it used to be.
7th Jul '16 3:31:09 PM hamza678
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* ''Nekojiru'' is a very obscure name in Japanese media, especially for Western audiences, and this trope is why. Created in TheNineties by its namesake, it rapidly grew in popularity to the point of spawning an animated short series, and being considered for Tokyo Electric's promotional campaign. When Nekojiru committed suicide for unknown reasons,[[note]]One of her close friends, Yoshiaki Yoshinaga, suggests that the surge in popularity was directly responsible, that it created too much stress for her to handle.[[/note]] Tokyo Electric pulled back on its offer and the series was doomed to obscurity. It's [[Anime/CatSoup OVA adaptation]] (unrelated to the aforementioned animated series) is a case of AdaptationDisplacement.

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* ''Nekojiru'' is a very obscure name in Japanese media, especially for Western audiences, and this trope is why. Created in TheNineties by its namesake, it rapidly grew in popularity to the point of spawning an animated short series, and being considered for Tokyo Electric's promotional campaign. When Nekojiru committed suicide for unknown reasons,[[note]]One of her close friends, Yoshiaki Yoshinaga, suggests that the surge in popularity was directly responsible, that it created too much stress for her to handle.[[/note]] Tokyo Electric pulled back on its offer and the series was doomed to obscurity. It's Its [[Anime/CatSoup OVA adaptation]] (unrelated to the aforementioned animated series) is a case of AdaptationDisplacement.
2nd Jul '16 9:38:08 PM IKEZE-KISAMA
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* ''Manga/LoveHina'' standardized the typical slapstick a lot of viewers tend to associate with the HaremGenre. [[FollowTheLeader A little too well.]] [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny Thanks to a lot of imitators]] there has been a growing backlash against Harem cliches, particularly the AccidentalPervert and the {{Tsundere}} with a HairTriggerTemper, which has led to people 180ing on their opinions. ''Love Hina'' went from being a cutting edge Harem Anime to being the representative of everything ''wrong'' with harems. Creator/BennettTheSage even called it trash, and got little rage from it.

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* ''Manga/LoveHina'' standardized the typical slapstick a lot of viewers tend to associate with the HaremGenre. [[FollowTheLeader A little too well.]] [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny Thanks to a lot of imitators]] there has been a growing backlash against Harem cliches, particularly the AccidentalPervert and the {{Tsundere}} with a HairTriggerTemper, which has led to people 180ing on their opinions. ''Love Hina'' went from being a cutting edge Harem Anime to being the representative of everything ''wrong'' with harems. Creator/BennettTheSage even called it trash, and got little rage from it.
2nd Jul '16 6:40:31 PM hamza678
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* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. Nowadays, the show's mainly remebered for it's [[ArcFaigue overly long narrative]], FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along), and [[TheScrappy pointless characters]]. Even it's normal fans feel it's not that great anymore.

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* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. Nowadays, the show's mainly remebered remembered for it's [[ArcFaigue its [[ArcFatigue overly long narrative]], FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along), and [[TheScrappy pointless characters]]. Even it's its normal fans feel it's not that great anymore.
2nd Jul '16 5:05:29 PM Kelothan
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* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. Nowadays, the show's largely considered a joke that most newcomers would never dare to touch. This is likely because of the frustration amongst fans of the anime watching it for years only to see it end without any conclusion to any of the plot. By the time a conclusion was reached with ''The Final Act'', the damage had been done, causing lots of fans to simply tell newcomers "not to bother with it" or "read the manga instead". The fact that it became infamous for its ''atrocious'' FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along) probably helped it reach this status as well, as more and more people were turned off of it because of the rabid squealing fan-girls and boys.

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* There was once a time where every anime fan had to have at least seen one episode of ''Manga/InuYasha''. Every con would at least have a dozen people cosplaying as the title character. Hell, it occasionally leaked out of the anime fandom and it wouldn't be uncommon to see people on the street wearing merchandise from the show. Nowadays, the show's largely considered a joke that most newcomers would never dare to touch. This is likely because of the frustration amongst fans of the anime watching it mainly remebered for years only to see it end without any conclusion to any of the plot. By the time a conclusion was reached with ''The Final Act'', the damage had been done, causing lots of fans to simply tell newcomers "not to bother with it" or "read the manga instead". The fact that it became infamous for its ''atrocious'' it's [[ArcFaigue overly long narrative]], FanDumb (to the point where it was often used as ''the'' example for how obnoxious anime fandoms can get, at least before the ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fandoms came along) probably helped it reach this status as well, as more along), and more people were turned off of it because of the rabid squealing fan-girls and boys. [[TheScrappy pointless characters]]. Even it's normal fans feel it's not that great anymore.
30th Jun '16 5:33:17 PM CrowTR0bot
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day, homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is the dub produced by Creator/DiC. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on {{Toonami}} putting the show into Anerican consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes produced by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is ''the'' iconic MagicalGirl, and is to this day, homaged and parodied, so it is not this. What is this, however is the dub produced by Creator/DiC. It was only mildly successful when first released, but then it aired on {{Toonami}} putting the show into Anerican consciousness. It helped put its entire medium into the mainstream, and when a medium was considered by most outside its fanbase to be nothing but gore and porn, that's impressive. It even had more episodes produced by Cloverway when DiC ran out of money. It eventually lead to people rediscovering the original... at which point it was made clear [[CutandPasteTranslation that their version was radically different.]] It was criticized for half-baked CulturalTranslation, removing homosexual content, and obvious censorship. It was virtually abandoned overnight, and is now considered a total {{Macekre}}. It got to the point that when Creator/VizMedia announced a new dub, they spent a lot of time talking about this being uncut and comprehensive, and almost no time talking about why they couldn't use the old dub.dub (although the 2013 dub ended up garnering [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked the opposite reaction]]).
29th Jun '16 6:36:00 PM chucknormie
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* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]], especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators. Today, SoOkayItsAverage is the best you'll hear someone describe it as.

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* Similar to the above, ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' was the first significant BattleHarem light novel, and both mediums sold quite well during the first season of the anime. Thanks to the [[SeasonalRot failure of the second season]], especially in {{America|nsHateTingle}}, and the [[FollowTheLeader large number of works that copied its premise]], it's become lost among the sea of its imitators. Today, SoOkayItsAverage is the best you'll only hear someone describe it as.brought up to be blamed for the glut of low-quality HaremSeries that followed it, or to make fun of its [[IdiotHero seemingly impossibly dense protagonist]].
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