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* The Yin principle of Myth/ChineseMythology and Taoism. Meaning literally "darkness"/"shadow", not only [[TheSacredDarkness is it vital for existence]] (and for medicine: a healthy mind and body need equal amounts of Yin and Yang), but it is arguably better than it's light counterpart, Yang, as it symbolises calmness and peace (as opposed to [[LightIsNotGood agressiveness and war]]).
** Chinese superstitions also see bats as symbols of good fortune. (Mainly because the Chinese word for "bat" sounds identical to the Chinese word for "fortune")
** Averted with owls, which are seen by the Chinese as harbingers of death.
* Ereshkigal is the ruler of the underworld in ''Myth/MesopotamianMythology'', a place of darkness and dust. However, in ''Literature/InannasDescentToTheNetherworld'' she weeps for the dead and feels sorry about their plights.
* Many of the protagonists of the various branches of the Literature/{{Mabinogion}} are the Welsh gods ''of Darkness''.
* Myth/ClassicalMythology:
** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone, which is rather insignificant compared to the exploits of his brothers.
** Hecate (goddess of witches and ghosts) helped Demeter search for Persephone and when Hera turned a slave-girl of Heracles' mother into a polecat for sabotaging her attempt to prevent Heracles' birth, Hecate adopted the polecat.
** Pan swings between playing this trope straight and subverting it. He's a goat-like guy who is usually happy to play a pipe and dance in the woods at night, but then he also has a tendency to get moody and shriek at people who disturb him (this is where "panic" comes from - it's what people felt when they heard his cries). Still, he never hurt anyone.
* Anubis, Nephthys, and Osiris from the Myth/EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.
* While Christianity usually uses light as a metaphor for good and dark for evil, [[CreepyCathedral lots of cathedrals, especially old Gothic and Eastern Orthodox ones, are pretty grim, dark and gloomy inside.]]
** It should be noted (due to age and the windows not being cleaned) that Clean stained glass dims light but does not dull it. One of the major reasons people began to use stained glass was to make churches more aesthetically pleasing; In other words, they darken ordinary light precisely to make it and the sacred space it fills holier and more beautiful.
** Cathedrals are also adorned with gargoyles, which look like token demons of the highest rank, but gargoyles are actually supposed to scare demons ''away'' from the building, thus protecting the people inside.
** Dark and gloomy is probably what all old buildings looked like at the time.
** Dark is not always used as a metaphor for evil, as God is described as providing shade and night to comfort people in in the book of psalms as well as manifesting in darkness before he punishes evil by King David.
** Also while angels actually look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're good and wise. (Not perfect, as ''Job'' alludes to them being capable of committing follies but still held to the standard of being holier than people)
** In a more symbolic sense, consider that the most common symbol for Christianity, a cross, represents what was originally an instrument of torture, ultimate humiliation and execution. This gets even thicker if you're Catholic or Orthodox and grew up with crucifixes in your churches.
* In Jewish mythology, Satan himself embodies this trope. The original Satan is not a "fallen angel," but a prosecuting angel. During the Days of Awe and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Repentance), his job is to prove to God that humanity is too sinful to continue to survive, while the humans' job is to acknowledge and repent of all their sins so that God would forgive them. Therefore Satan isn't actually evil - he is JustDoingMyJob. Although, as time went on, his character became embellished with stories of his deliberately ''tempting'' humans into sin to gather evidence against them, and over time he gained a reputation as a shady business dealer, which eventually got him conflated with the Devil. Many Jews today still see him as more of a prosecuting attorney in the Divine Court than a bad guy.
* UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} has several entities that are associated with destruction but are not directly evil; Kali is such an example, even if she is mostly demonized nowadays, much like [[Myth/GreekMythology Hades]]. Its last reforms spawned more confusion.
** Shiva as well: although he's a god of destruction, he's also a god of fertility (this is why his symbol is the distinctly phallic ''lingam'' is his symbol. As ''Shiv and the Grasshopper'' (''Literature/TheSecondJungleBook'') says:
---> Shiv, who poured the harvest and made the winds to blow...
** And Yama. Seriously he is the coolest guy ever, very neutral righteous. Also, he has made mankind, so show some respect! He was degraded from a king to a judge, isn't that bad enough for him already?
** Even Rakshasa and other demons - who usually ''are'' pretty nasty, it's true - are capable of reforming, or at least working with gods and humans on occasion. What's more, their evil doesn't tend to be anything special compared to human evil. The scale may be grander, but in the end, they're brutish thugs and tyrannical conquerors, not destroyers of worlds or stealers of souls.
* In the Myth/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough venerate her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other followers aren't that nasty.
* The minoan deity [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Goddess Snake Goddess]]; also averts the ReptilesAreAbhorrent trope.
* In Myth/CelticMythology, the children of the god of death were believed to have come from the underworld to claim this one, driving out the Tuatha De Danaan in the process. They were also the first humans.
** The terms Seelie and Unseelie divide the Fey into two sides, one of summer and light, one of winter and darkness. But the Seelie might be pranksters who are happy tormenting people, while the Unseelie may view favorite people as pets to protect from harm.
* Many occult members who worship Satan believe that the devil and his demons do not necessarily represent evil.
** Modern Satanism simply tries to free people from the power of symbols - to perceive that a dark room doesn't contain any more evil than a well-lit one and that a halo doesn't make a creature more good than horns. Classic demon-summoning occultists in turn were almost always under the opinion that they were using demons with God's power to do God's work, a belief-system based on the Biblical account under which God gave King Solomon the power over all demons to do good with.
** Do notice, however, that Lucifer means "light bringer", although many experts in theology claim that he is a different entity from Satan. Also, some demons like Moloch were originally solar deities before Christianity took over.
* In [[Myth/NativeAmericanMythology Lakota mythology]], darkness is simply that which is irrational, contrasting to the light of reason. Inktomi is the embodiment of darkness in this sense, but he occasionally does heroic things, albeit always through trickery and deception.
* [[KingArthur Merlin]], who technically was a half-demon and considered a good magic-user in a time when everything that people considered magic was associated with Satan.
* In UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}, quite a lot of emphasis is put on the night. One ayah even describes the night as a soothing blanket. Israa al-Miraaj was a journey that took place during the night, from Mecca to Jerusalem to the seventh heaven. Qiyam al-Layl is a night prayer, and is the optional prayer with the most rewards. Similarly, Laylat al-Qadr ("Night of Power") is a night during the last third of Ramadan in which, if one prays during this night, it is better than if they had prayed for 1000 months. In the Islamic calendar, sundown marks the beginning of a new day, and not sunrise. During Ramadan, no food or water can be consumed by daylight; eating and drinking is only allowed at night. The association between the night and good things come naturally to desert people, as the daytime is a scorching-hot torture, but the night brings cool winds.
* Hel from Myth/NorseMythology. She is the ruler of Helheim and Niflheim, and she takes care of the souls of those who died outside of combat, most notably Baldr. These lands are described as cold, fog-filled and dark.
* Demons/daemons were not necessarily considered evil until around maybe as late as a thousand years ago. Before then, the general idea was that they were just fear-and-awe-inspiring beings of greater power than ordinary men could imagine, essentially somewhere between demi-gods and gods in power and often in the service of gods and other divine beings. Summoning a demon to perform a task was, at a basic level, no different than calling for a servant the king had given you authority over to ask them to do you a favor.
** It should also be noted that, at one time, angels and demons were both daemons, the only distinction being that some were good and some were bad.
* In Filipino Mythology monsters are usually AlwaysChaoticEvil, but there are exceptions; [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapre The Kapre]], for example, is a sasquatch like creature that usually only reveals itself to people because it wants to be their friend ([[InterspeciesRomance or more]]) and will follow them throughout life afterward, implicitly protecting the people they like. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_%28legendary_creature%29 The Alan]], meanwhile is a [[TheGrotesque deformed]], [[TheTrickster mischievous]] [[WingedHumanoid bird-like]] creature with [[BodyHorror backwards facing hands and feet]], that steals [[{{Squick}} drops of menstrual blood, miscarried fetuses, afterbirth and other reproductive waste]]...[[ParentalSubstitute and turns them into human babies that they raise lovingly as their own]].
* Played with by the [[{{Hellhound}} black dogs]] of British folklore. On one hand a lot of them are supposedly malevolent but just as many are neutral or even benevolent. All three varieties are usually described as being extremely large, powerfully built dogs with red eyes and shaggy black fur (some accounts state that the fur is actually black in the 'absorbs all light' sense rather than normal glossy black dog fur) Additionally most of the supposed real-life sightings involve the black dog in question either ignoring the human present altogether or being somewhat friendly or at least non-aggressive. Even the more hostile encounters usually only involve someone getting a bad fright and/or being chased for a bit.
* Hell, as defined in ''Literature/TheBible'', isn't Satan's base of operations. Rather, it's the place for eternal punishment against all who ever sinned against God,''including'' Satan and his fellow demons. If anything, Hell would be ran by God himself and his angels, not by demons as with the very common misconception of Hell - though it is a Place for Punishment rather than a non-evil being.
* The Angel Of Death pops up in the Bible several times, and is often depicted as the Grim Reaper with skeletal wings, no visible face and a sword, or an black, sword-wielding angel. ''But'' although his job is to kill people, he only harms God's enemies and does so very quickly.
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* The Yin principle of Myth/ChineseMythology and Taoism. Meaning literally "darkness"/"shadow", not only [[TheSacredDarkness is it vital for existence]] (and for medicine: a healthy mind and body need equal amounts of Yin and Yang), but it is arguably better than it's light counterpart, Yang, as it symbolises calmness and peace (as opposed to [[LightIsNotGood agressiveness and war]]).
** Chinese superstitions also see bats as symbols of good fortune. (Mainly because the Chinese word for "bat" sounds identical to the Chinese word for "fortune")
** Averted with owls, which are seen by the Chinese as harbingers of death.
* Ereshkigal is the ruler of the underworld in ''Myth/MesopotamianMythology'', a place of darkness and dust. However, in ''Literature/InannasDescentToTheNetherworld'' she weeps for the dead and feels sorry about their plights.
* Many of the protagonists of the various branches of the Literature/{{Mabinogion}} are the Welsh gods ''of Darkness''.
* Myth/ClassicalMythology:
** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone, which is rather insignificant compared to the exploits of his brothers.
** Hecate (goddess of witches and ghosts) helped Demeter search for Persephone and when Hera turned a slave-girl of Heracles' mother into a polecat for sabotaging her attempt to prevent Heracles' birth, Hecate adopted the polecat.
** Pan swings between playing this trope straight and subverting it. He's a goat-like guy who is usually happy to play a pipe and dance in the woods at night, but then he also has a tendency to get moody and shriek at people who disturb him (this is where "panic" comes from - it's what people felt when they heard his cries). Still, he never hurt anyone.
* Anubis, Nephthys, and Osiris from the Myth/EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.
* While Christianity usually uses light as a metaphor for good and dark for evil, [[CreepyCathedral lots of cathedrals, especially old Gothic and Eastern Orthodox ones, are pretty grim, dark and gloomy inside.]]
** It should be noted (due to age and the windows not being cleaned) that Clean stained glass dims light but does not dull it. One of the major reasons people began to use stained glass was to make churches more aesthetically pleasing; In other words, they darken ordinary light precisely to make it and the sacred space it fills holier and more beautiful.
** Cathedrals are also adorned with gargoyles, which look like token demons of the highest rank, but gargoyles are actually supposed to scare demons ''away'' from the building, thus protecting the people inside.
** Dark and gloomy is probably what all old buildings looked like at the time.
** Dark is not always used as a metaphor for evil, as God is described as providing shade and night to comfort people in in the book of psalms as well as manifesting in darkness before he punishes evil by King David.
** Also while angels actually look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're good and wise. (Not perfect, as ''Job'' alludes to them being capable of committing follies but still held to the standard of being holier than people)
** In a more symbolic sense, consider that the most common symbol for Christianity, a cross, represents what was originally an instrument of torture, ultimate humiliation and execution. This gets even thicker if you're Catholic or Orthodox and grew up with crucifixes in your churches.
* In Jewish mythology, Satan himself embodies this trope. The original Satan is not a "fallen angel," but a prosecuting angel. During the Days of Awe and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Repentance), his job is to prove to God that humanity is too sinful to continue to survive, while the humans' job is to acknowledge and repent of all their sins so that God would forgive them. Therefore Satan isn't actually evil - he is JustDoingMyJob. Although, as time went on, his character became embellished with stories of his deliberately ''tempting'' humans into sin to gather evidence against them, and over time he gained a reputation as a shady business dealer, which eventually got him conflated with the Devil. Many Jews today still see him as more of a prosecuting attorney in the Divine Court than a bad guy.
* UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} has several entities that are associated with destruction but are not directly evil; Kali is such an example, even if she is mostly demonized nowadays, much like [[Myth/GreekMythology Hades]]. Its last reforms spawned more confusion.
** Shiva as well: although he's a god of destruction, he's also a god of fertility (this is why his symbol is the distinctly phallic ''lingam'' is his symbol. As ''Shiv and the Grasshopper'' (''Literature/TheSecondJungleBook'') says:
---> Shiv, who poured the harvest and made the winds to blow...
** And Yama. Seriously he is the coolest guy ever, very neutral righteous. Also, he has made mankind, so show some respect! He was degraded from a king to a judge, isn't that bad enough for him already?
** Even Rakshasa and other demons - who usually ''are'' pretty nasty, it's true - are capable of reforming, or at least working with gods and humans on occasion. What's more, their evil doesn't tend to be anything special compared to human evil. The scale may be grander, but in the end, they're brutish thugs and tyrannical conquerors, not destroyers of worlds or stealers of souls.
* In the Myth/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough venerate her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other followers aren't that nasty.
* The minoan deity [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Goddess Snake Goddess]]; also averts the ReptilesAreAbhorrent trope.
* In Myth/CelticMythology, the children of the god of death were believed to have come from the underworld to claim this one, driving out the Tuatha De Danaan in the process. They were also the first humans.
** The terms Seelie and Unseelie divide the Fey into two sides, one of summer and light, one of winter and darkness. But the Seelie might be pranksters who are happy tormenting people, while the Unseelie may view favorite people as pets to protect from harm.
* Many occult members who worship Satan believe that the devil and his demons do not necessarily represent evil.
** Modern Satanism simply tries to free people from the power of symbols - to perceive that a dark room doesn't contain any more evil than a well-lit one and that a halo doesn't make a creature more good than horns. Classic demon-summoning occultists in turn were almost always under the opinion that they were using demons with God's power to do God's work, a belief-system based on the Biblical account under which God gave King Solomon the power over all demons to do good with.
** Do notice, however, that Lucifer means "light bringer", although many experts in theology claim that he is a different entity from Satan. Also, some demons like Moloch were originally solar deities before Christianity took over.
* In [[Myth/NativeAmericanMythology Lakota mythology]], darkness is simply that which is irrational, contrasting to the light of reason. Inktomi is the embodiment of darkness in this sense, but he occasionally does heroic things, albeit always through trickery and deception.
* [[KingArthur Merlin]], who technically was a half-demon and considered a good magic-user in a time when everything that people considered magic was associated with Satan.
* In UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}, quite a lot of emphasis is put on the night. One ayah even describes the night as a soothing blanket. Israa al-Miraaj was a journey that took place during the night, from Mecca to Jerusalem to the seventh heaven. Qiyam al-Layl is a night prayer, and is the optional prayer with the most rewards. Similarly, Laylat al-Qadr ("Night of Power") is a night during the last third of Ramadan in which, if one prays during this night, it is better than if they had prayed for 1000 months. In the Islamic calendar, sundown marks the beginning of a new day, and not sunrise. During Ramadan, no food or water can be consumed by daylight; eating and drinking is only allowed at night. The association between the night and good things come naturally to desert people, as the daytime is a scorching-hot torture, but the night brings cool winds.
* Hel from Myth/NorseMythology. She is the ruler of Helheim and Niflheim, and she takes care of the souls of those who died outside of combat, most notably Baldr. These lands are described as cold, fog-filled and dark.
* Demons/daemons were not necessarily considered evil until around maybe as late as a thousand years ago. Before then, the general idea was that they were just fear-and-awe-inspiring beings of greater power than ordinary men could imagine, essentially somewhere between demi-gods and gods in power and often in the service of gods and other divine beings. Summoning a demon to perform a task was, at a basic level, no different than calling for a servant the king had given you authority over to ask them to do you a favor.
** It should also be noted that, at one time, angels and demons were both daemons, the only distinction being that some were good and some were bad.
* In Filipino Mythology monsters are usually AlwaysChaoticEvil, but there are exceptions; [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapre The Kapre]], for example, is a sasquatch like creature that usually only reveals itself to people because it wants to be their friend ([[InterspeciesRomance or more]]) and will follow them throughout life afterward, implicitly protecting the people they like. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_%28legendary_creature%29 The Alan]], meanwhile is a [[TheGrotesque deformed]], [[TheTrickster mischievous]] [[WingedHumanoid bird-like]] creature with [[BodyHorror backwards facing hands and feet]], that steals [[{{Squick}} drops of menstrual blood, miscarried fetuses, afterbirth and other reproductive waste]]...[[ParentalSubstitute and turns them into human babies that they raise lovingly as their own]].
* Played with by the [[{{Hellhound}} black dogs]] of British folklore. On one hand a lot of them are supposedly malevolent but just as many are neutral or even benevolent. All three varieties are usually described as being extremely large, powerfully built dogs with red eyes and shaggy black fur (some accounts state that the fur is actually black in the 'absorbs all light' sense rather than normal glossy black dog fur) Additionally most of the supposed real-life sightings involve the black dog in question either ignoring the human present altogether or being somewhat friendly or at least non-aggressive. Even the more hostile encounters usually only involve someone getting a bad fright and/or being chased for a bit.
* Hell, as defined in ''Literature/TheBible'', isn't Satan's base of operations. Rather, it's the place for eternal punishment against all who ever sinned against God,''including'' Satan and his fellow demons. If anything, Hell would be ran by God himself and his angels, not by demons as with the very common misconception of Hell - though it is a Place for Punishment rather than a non-evil being.
* The Angel Of Death pops up in the Bible several times, and is often depicted as the Grim Reaper with skeletal wings, no visible face and a sword, or an black, sword-wielding angel. ''But'' although his job is to kill people, he only harms God's enemies and does so very quickly.
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* Many of the protagonists of the various branches of the {{Mabinogion}} are the Welsh gods ''of Darkness''.

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* Ereshkigal is the ruler of the underworld in ''Myth/MesopotamianMythology'', a place of darkness and dust. However, in ''Literature/InannasDescentToTheNetherworld'' she weeps for the dead and feels sorry about their plights.
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* In pre-Christian Jewish mythology, Satan himself embodied this trope. The original Satan was not a "fallen angel," but a prosecuting angel. During the Days of Awe and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Repentance), his job was to prove to God that humanity was too sinful to continue to survive, while the humans' job was to acknowledge and repent of all their sins so that God would forgive them. Therefore Satan wasn't actually evil - he was JustDoingMyJob. Although, as time went on, his character became embellished with stories of his deliberately ''tempting'' humans into sin to gather evidence against them, and over time he gained a reputation as a shady business dealer, which eventually got him conflated with the Devil.

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* In pre-Christian Jewish mythology, Satan himself embodied embodies this trope. The original Satan was is not a "fallen angel," but a prosecuting angel. During the Days of Awe and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Repentance), his job was is to prove to God that humanity was is too sinful to continue to survive, while the humans' job was is to acknowledge and repent of all their sins so that God would forgive them. Therefore Satan wasn't isn't actually evil - he was is JustDoingMyJob. Although, as time went on, his character became embellished with stories of his deliberately ''tempting'' humans into sin to gather evidence against them, and over time he gained a reputation as a shady business dealer, which eventually got him conflated with the Devil. Many Jews today still see him as more of a prosecuting attorney in the Divine Court than a bad guy.
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** Shiva as well: although he's a god of destruction, he's also a god of fertility (this is why his symbol is the distinctly [[FreudWasRight phallic]] ''lingam'' is his symbol. As ''Shiv and the Grasshopper'' (''Literature/TheSecondJungleBook'') says:

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** Shiva as well: although he's a god of destruction, he's also a god of fertility (this is why his symbol is the distinctly [[FreudWasRight phallic]] phallic ''lingam'' is his symbol. As ''Shiv and the Grasshopper'' (''Literature/TheSecondJungleBook'') says:
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** The terms Seelie and Unseelie divide the Fey into two sides, one of summer and light, one of winter and darkness. But the Seelie might be pranksters who are happy tormenting people, while the Unseelie may view favorite people as pets to protect from harm.
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** Chinese superstitions also see bats as symbols of good fortune. (Mainly because the Chinese word for "bat" sounds identical to the Chinese word for "fortune")
** Averted with owls, which are seen by the Chinese as harbingers of death.
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* In pre-Christian Jewish mythology, Satan himself embodied this trope. The original Satan was not a "fallen angel," but a prosecuting angel. During the Days of Awe and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Repentance), his job was to prove to God that humanity was too sinful to continue to survive, while the humans' job was to acknowledge and repent of all their sins so that God would forgive them. Therefore Satan wasn't actually evil - he was JustDoingMyJob. Although, as time went on, his character became embellished with stories of his deliberately ''tempting'' humans into sin to gather evidence against them, and over time he gained a reputation as a shady business dealer, which eventually got him conflated with the Devil.

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** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone.
*** And even then, he only ever kidnapped one girl, and he immediately married her. Compared to the exploits of his brothers Zeus and Poseidon...

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** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone.
*** And even then, he only ever kidnapped one girl, and he immediately married her. Compared
Persephone, which is rather insignificant compared to the exploits of his brothers Zeus and Poseidon...brothers.
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** Even Rakshasa and other demons - who usually ''are'' pretty nasty, it's true - are capable of reforming, or at least working with gods and humans on occasion. What's more, their evil doesn't tend to be anything special compared to human evil. The scale may be grander, but in the end, they're brutish thugs and tyrannical conquerors, not destroyers of worlds or stealers of souls.

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** Often, it should be noted, due to age and windows not being cleaned. Clean stained glass dims light but does not dull it-one of the major reasons people began to use stained glass was to make churches more aesthetically pleasing. Which arguably makes it an even bigger subversion-darkening ordinary light precisely to make it and the space it fills holier and more beautiful.
*** And now the trope gets inverted again once you realize the above statement implies that "holier" and "more beautiful" is the same as being not evil.

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** Often, it It should be noted, due noted (due to age and the windows not being cleaned. cleaned) that Clean stained glass dims light but does not dull it-one it. One of the major reasons people began to use stained glass was to make churches more aesthetically pleasing. Which arguably makes it an even bigger subversion-darkening pleasing; In other words, they darken ordinary light precisely to make it and the sacred space it fills holier and more beautiful.
*** And now the trope gets inverted again once you realize the above statement implies that "holier" and "more beautiful" is the same as being not evil.
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* Hell, as defined in ''Literature/TheBible'', isn't Satan's base of operations. Rather, it's the place for eternal punishment against all who ever sinned against God,''including'' Satan and his fellow demons. If anything, Hell would be ran by God himself and his angels, not by demons as with the very common misconception of Hell.

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* Hell, as defined in ''Literature/TheBible'', isn't Satan's base of operations. Rather, it's the place for eternal punishment against all who ever sinned against God,''including'' Satan and his fellow demons. If anything, Hell would be ran by God himself and his angels, not by demons as with the very common misconception of Hell.Hell - though it is a Place for Punishment rather than a non-evil being.

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** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone.

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** Hades. Even though he is [[EverybodyHatesHades portrayed as a Satan analogue]] nowadays, in the original myths he was described as grim and stern, but not evil. Ancient Greeks were wary him more because of the natural fear of death and unknown, rather than him being particularly malicious. Hades was actually one of the few gods that didn't harm mankind directly, even proving willing to work with people, who ventured into his kingdom demanding something from him. He was also the giver of earthly wealth - both precious stones and metals and seeds. The worst thing he ever did was kidnap Persephone. Persephone.
***And even then, he only ever kidnapped one girl, and he immediately married her. Compared to the exploits of his brothers Zeus and Poseidon...

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** They're also adorned with gargoyles, which look like token demons of the highest rank, but they're actually supposed to scare demons ''away'' from the building, thus protecting the people inside.


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** They're also adorned with gargoyles, which look like token demons of the highest rank, but they're actually supposed to scare demons ''away'' from the building, thus protecting the people inside.
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* Hel from Myth/NorseMythology. She just rules Helheim, which is where those who weren't cool enough for Valhalla but not sucky enough for Nifelheim go. She even offered to give Baldur back if everyone mourned for him.

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* Hel from Myth/NorseMythology. She just rules Helheim, which is where the ruler of Helheim and Niflheim, and she takes care of the souls of those who weren't cool enough for Valhalla but not sucky enough for Nifelheim go. She even offered to give Baldur back if everyone mourned for him.died outside of combat, most notably Baldr. These lands are described as cold, fog-filled and dark.
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* UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} has several entities that are associated with destruction but are not directly evil; Kali is such an example, even if she is mostly demonized nowadays, much like [[GreekMythology Hades]]. Its last reforms spawned more confusion.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} has several entities that are associated with destruction but are not directly evil; Kali is such an example, even if she is mostly demonized nowadays, much like [[GreekMythology [[Myth/GreekMythology Hades]]. Its last reforms spawned more confusion.



* In the Myth/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.

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* In the Myth/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[ClassicalMythology [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.



* In CelticMythology, the children of the god of death were believed to have come from the underworld to claim this one, driving out the Tuatha De Danaan in the process. They were also the first humans.

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* In CelticMythology, Myth/CelticMythology, the children of the god of death were believed to have come from the underworld to claim this one, driving out the Tuatha De Danaan in the process. They were also the first humans.



* In Lakota mythology, darkness is simply that which is irrational, contrasting to the light of reason. Inktomi is the embodiment of darkness in this sense, but he occasionally does heroic things, albeit always through trickery and deception.

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* In [[Myth/NativeAmericanMythology Lakota mythology, mythology]], darkness is simply that which is irrational, contrasting to the light of reason. Inktomi is the embodiment of darkness in this sense, but he occasionally does heroic things, albeit always through trickery and deception.



* Hel from NorseMythology. She just rules Helheim, which is where those who weren't cool enough for Valhalla but not sucky enough for Nifelheim go. She even offered to give Baldur back if everyone mourned for him.

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* Hel from NorseMythology.Myth/NorseMythology. She just rules Helheim, which is where those who weren't cool enough for Valhalla but not sucky enough for Nifelheim go. She even offered to give Baldur back if everyone mourned for him.
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** Also while angels look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're good. (Not perfect, as ''Job'' alludes to them being capable of committing follies but still held to the standard of being holier than people)

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** Also while angels actually look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're good.good and wise. (Not perfect, as ''Job'' alludes to them being capable of committing follies but still held to the standard of being holier than people)




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* The Angel Of Death pops up in the Bible several times, and is often depicted as the Grim Reaper with skeletal wings, no visible face and a sword, or an black, sword-wielding angel. ''But'' although his job is to kill people, he only harms God's enemies and does so very quickly.
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* Anubis and Osiris from the Myth/EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.

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* Anubis Anubis, Nephthys, and Osiris from the Myth/EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.
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* The Yin principle of ChineseMythology and Taoism. Meaning literally "darkness"/"shadow", not only [[TheSacredDarkness is it vital for existence]] (and for medicine: a healthy mind and body need equal amounts of Yin and Yang), but it is arguably better than it's light counterpart, Yang, as it symbolises calmness and peace (as opposed to [[LightIsNotGood agressiveness and war]]).

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* The Yin principle of ChineseMythology Myth/ChineseMythology and Taoism. Meaning literally "darkness"/"shadow", not only [[TheSacredDarkness is it vital for existence]] (and for medicine: a healthy mind and body need equal amounts of Yin and Yang), but it is arguably better than it's light counterpart, Yang, as it symbolises calmness and peace (as opposed to [[LightIsNotGood agressiveness and war]]).
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* Anubis and Osiris from the EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.

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* Anubis and Osiris from the EgyptianMythology, Myth/EgyptianMythology, which are both death related deities that are good and righteous.
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough venerate her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other worshipers aren't that nasty.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough venerate her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other worshipers followers aren't that nasty.
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough worship her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other worshipers aren't that nasty.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte Santa Muerte]]. Almost unbelievable since she's considered a Catholic saint by a community in Mexico. True, Catholicism as a whole does not accept her canonically, but enough worship venerate her that the movement is pretty much a de facto religious sect. Subverted in that a few of her followers use her to impose death on their enemies, though several other worshipers aren't that nasty.
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* Hell, as defined in ''Literature/TheBible'', isn't Satan's base of operations. Rather, it's the place for eternal punishment against all who ever sinned against God,''including'' Satan and his fellow demons. If anything, Hell would be ran by God himself and his angels, not by demons as with the very common misconception of Hell.
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** In a more symbolic sense, consider that the most common symbol for Christianity, a cross, represents what was originally an instrument of torture, ultimate humiliation and execution. This gets even thicker if you're Catholic and grew up with crucifixes in your churches.

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** In a more symbolic sense, consider that the most common symbol for Christianity, a cross, represents what was originally an instrument of torture, ultimate humiliation and execution. This gets even thicker if you're Catholic or Orthodox and grew up with crucifixes in your churches.
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* Played with by the [[{{Hellhound}} black dogs]] of British folklore. On one hand a lot of them are supposedly malevolent but just as many are neutral or even benevolent. All three varieties are usually described as being extremely large, powerfully built dogs with red eyes and shaggy black fur (some accounts state that the fur is actually black in the 'absorbs all light' sense rather than normal glossy black dog fur) Additionally most of the supposed real-life sightings involve the black dog in question either ignoring the human present altogether or being somewhat friendly or at least non-aggressive. Even the more hostile encounters usually only involve someone getting a bad fright and/or being chased for a bit.
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* In the UsefulNotes/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.

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* In the UsefulNotes/LusitanianMythology Myth/LusitanianMythology there was Ataegina, a goddess of the night that was also the goddess of Spring. Similar in some ways to [[ClassicalMythology Persephone]], another benevolent goddess of the Spring and the Underworld, except that Ataegina wasn't married to anyone.

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